Rants, Stupid Shit and Coronavirus in Thailand

[Beijing4987]

This thread was started to divert Penthouse Letters from the Bangkok thread. It now has useful information. I'm referring to the info on condoms. It is possible to ignore anything irrelevant. Just a few clicks away.

[FL Hawk]

If only they could manufacture those with a bit more girth. It's a puzzle to me why they don't put out a "L" series of sorts. Isn't there a market? Progress on the condom front is so sluggish, the technology is there but getting a product normal-sized men can be comfortable with is like pulling teeth. I am even sometimes afraid they might withdraw polyurethane condoms from sale altogether. They will invent they're bad for global warming or something of the kind.

Try the Aoni. 01 latex condom. These are English comdoms available on Ebay and are a better fit for western men. The Sagami (I think) . 02 Large are not too bad either, relatively speaking.

But even with these super thin condoms, I can still barely come in one. And as suggested, keep yourself well lubricated. These all tend to bunch up on me and then rip at the tip, especially if the girl dries out a bit.

I have never had a Thai girl refuse to use one of my super thin condoms. A few have been curious and remark about how thin they are, but no refusals, though one was cautious to the point that after I couldn't come, she pretty much insisted on using hers, which I agreed to. Obviously, it was worse and I gave up soon thereafter. But if we guys don't take precautions to keep them from breaking girls WILL refuse to let us use them, and then we are stuck with the thicker kind, where I personally can't feel a thing.

[Franciscass]

My precautions work whether I give them a thought or not, whether I'm shit-faced drunk or not, whether I'm overwhelmed with horniness or only middling into it, whether I'm clumsy and nervous or sharp as a tack and, moreover, whether I'm with someone who would prefer I use a condom or not.

With all due respect ET for me this is not about whether you personally are a danger to your lady going BB, most likely tests not withstanding you are not. No the conversation is about the risks in going BB with somebody whose health situation is unknown. Having BB with somebody who is not a carrier of an STI other than the risk of pregnancy also nonexistent with a vasectomy, it is safe. The danger is not in transmitting it is in contacting. You can take all the precautions, washing, checking for telltale signs etc but you can never be sure the girl is not a carrier and while nothing is guaranteed by using condoms a bad outcome is significantly reduced.

[XXL]

I have been using Sagami 0. 01 for nearly a decade now, ...

If only they could manufacture those with a bit more girth. It's a puzzle to me why they don't put out a "L" series of sorts. Isn't there a market? Progress on the condom front is so sluggish, the technology is there but getting a product normal-sized men can be comfortable with is like pulling teeth. I am even sometimes afraid they might withdraw polyurethane condoms from sale altogether. They will invent they're bad for global warming or something of the kind.

[FL Hawk]

Interesting comments about going bare, but rarely is discussed that the standard STD tests to NOT check for herpes! Please, especially you married guys, keep that in mind. Your lovely Thai hooker may say she is tested regularly but is she testing for HSV? Probably not.

And realize, too, that even using condoms 100% of the time and correctly, you can still bring home a disease! Happened to me. Earlier this year after my October LOS trip last year, I noticed some white bumps in my pubic region. I thought I knew what they were, but went to doc in partial denial, and was relieved to hear I had some infected hair follicles. They should clear up in a week. Well, I had had them for weeks already. Well, they continued to stick around and I was getting a few more, so I did a closer inspection and I had the bumps where I had no hairs. Yep, I tried to deny it at first, but I knew I had Molluscum Contagiosum (MC). I went back to the doctor and after she again mis-dx'the me, I pointed out the bumps were not where the hairs were, then she agreed I had MC. (I gues this doc doesn't see many STD cases.) Anyway, MC is quite contagious and while it will go away on its own eventually, it is visible and if you have a SO she is likely to get it, so even if she doesn't notice the bumps on YOUR skin, she WILL notice them on hers. The girl I got them from probably had them in her pubic region and I, being presbyopic didn't notice them. Mine are gone now and I am clean again, but it proves we can catch things regardless of condoms and STD tests.

Anyway, the doc ordered an STD test for me, as is standard procedure, and there were the standard checks for gonorrhea, syphilis, chlamydia and HIV, but nothing for HSV. That is one I am most scared of.

And I should note I shower before and after each sexual encounter, so I may have caught my MC during post-sex cuddling. But who knows?

This is a little embarrassing to admit, but I have embarrassed myself plenty here already, but I mention it as something for you dudes to think about. Be safe!

[MonkeyPaw]

Seriously, Gogo girls would throw themselves to MP, (Come on give me a break).

I just want to ask some simple questions that will perhaps give you a little bit insight in my life. Not here to argue.

1. When you stroll on Walking Street, do the same Russian girls keep staring, eyeing, and smiling at you, even when they've seen you already like 200 times a year for the past 2 years?

2. Are you able to get into the top Go Go bars on Walking Street without any problems?

3. Once in, are you able to bring in other guests, whom they deem as "unwelcomed," with just a nod of your head?

4. Once inside. Are you able to get the most of all of the mamasans, waitstaff to come to your table and give you bows and give you kisses in shoe of respect?

5. Do you have this annoying issue that the mamasans are always bringing you brand new girls, hoping to please you?

6. Do you have this annoying problem that the DJs keeps playing your favorite songs during your stay?

7. Are you able to find or know who is the hottest girl in the bar?

8. Are you able to get her to come for a drink and chat?

9. After the hottest comes drinks with you, are you able to barfine or does she hustle you and goes away?

10. After you barfine her and fuck her, can you make her roll her eyes at you every time you step into that same club because she knows she's been played?

These are some of Monkeypaw's problems. If you are able to get another person to to show their "true" emotions, whether it is via words typed online or by their actions in person. You have what is called the "power" over that person. And for those who feel like backtracking, it's tool late. You've shown your true colors and others have recognized it. Plus last checked, taxi from BKK to Pattaya is still 1200,300 by bus, and I'm still here until end of the month. Is there a problem with the roads?

[MonkeyPaw]

Absolutely correct. The only viable way to prove such a thing is to make a video and either interview the girl, ask her age, details and how much you are being paid for to do what. Then the lucky monger can write his screen name on the girls belly with lipstick...

Perhaps this is close enough? I sorta have a feeling no matter what I do, it will not be good enough. I cry about this every night that I am unable to appease everybody. I really want to be everybody's hero. I often hear people ask me. Where have all the good men gone. And where are all the gods? The Thai girls have even pondered, where's the streetwise Hercules to fight the rising odds?

They ask me if I'm their white knight upon a fiery steed. That's because late at night they toss and turn and dream of what they need. I answer back what kind of hero do they want. To that they say. He's got to be strong. And he's got to be fast. And he's got to be fresh from the fight. He's got to be sure. And it's got to be soon. And he's got to be larger than life! Larger than life! To that I said, you probably are waiting for God.

[EihTooms]

You start to get carried away here. I don't see which measure you mention can help the girl not get pregnant.

Me=IF you are going to indulge in a life of bareback fucking, I strongly recommend you

(list) get a vasectomy

Syzygies=Also you seem to claim your measures are more effective than a condom, which is extremely fanciful and I doubt there is any evidence for it. Condoms ARE known to be effective against HIV. I don't see any reason to belittle those using a condom at all. They are going to be at less risk of catching many diseases and obviously less likely to cause a pregnancy, one of the highest risks.

Nevermind "seem", I'll come right out and say it bluntly; when I am 10 minutes away from bareback fucking a girl, being circumcised, having had a vasectomy and with a 1 month old negative HIV and other STI test result document in my possession, I will be safer for that girl in terms of preventing pregnancy and not infecting her with something life alteringly serious than the vast majority of punters she is likely to have ever been with. And, were any of them in my position, might now be fumbling with a condom wrapper, if they remember it, aren't too drunk or she has requested and insisted on it. The measures I have taken in order to make sure she will not get pregnant or catch a life altering bug and that I strongly recommend to anyone who is indulging in bareback fucking of various women, will not "slip off", will not "break", will not "tear", will not be "forgotten" in a state of drunkenness or uncontrollable horniness, will not go away because the girl "didn't ask me" to wear a condom and on and on.

In all likelihood, she has never met or been with a man who is circumcised, has had a vasectomy AND is in possession of a current negative blood check result document other than me. I have never sat next to a man in Thailand where the subject has come up who could claim to have just those three known significant precautions on his side as we are both heading out for a night of bar hopping. Those three measures alone make me one of the safest men to have sex with tonight, bareback or not, in all of Bangkok. LOL. And that isn't even mentioning the other safety factors I listed.

Show of hands, and we're obviously on the honor system here, how many guys reading this thread can say they at this moment have taken just those three precautions while at the same time has or would go bareback tonight if the girl was fine with it or can absolutely guarantee their condom will be used 100% properly and stay intact without slipping, tearing, breaking or failing?

The precautions the condom guy is using will only work if he uses them properly every time and they never fail. In fact, for preventing pregnancy, my vasectomy is 20 times more effective than his condom even if he uses it properly 100% of the time (I read that on one of those condom info pamphlets inside the box. LOL). My precautions work whether I give them a thought or not, whether I'm shit-faced drunk or not, whether I'm overwhelmed with horniness or only middling into it, whether I'm clumsy and nervous or sharp as a tack and, moreover, whether I'm with someone who would prefer I use a condom or not.

[Blanquiceleste]

I don't like condoms sure, but put up with some thin Japanese ones, that I supply myself. I have cancelled with girls insisting to use her own thick or wrong sized condom. Would probably be useless for me. Fortunately 98% of girls are O.K. with my condoms, and maybe 99% for Thais.

Why would a hooker be so stupid as to have a baby? Hard to fathom. Why not wait?

I have been using Sagami 0. 01 for nearly a decade now, and in all these years I have not met a single girl who has insisted on using her own condom. 95% of the girls would be from South East Asia or North Asia. The remaining 5% might be from other random places where my travels have taken me. I do not fancy white girls at all, including Eastern European girls. That kind of narrows down my target.

As for hookers getting pregnant, if the father is a foreigner, the baby becomes a passport to freedom and security. If your reference is to the local men, then I am as baffled as you are.

[Crocodilexp]

The reality is the BBFS women are taking a significantly higher risk than the guy. Mean number of fucks to catch it from a HIV person are much lower.

In addition, over the long term, a typical working girl has an order of magnitude more partners than an typical punter, even if he's unusually active.

In my opinion, given the higher risk of HIV for the women, this makes a man demanding BBFS from a sex worker selfish and borderline abusive. Sure, there's usually semi-informed consent, but regardless of that, condoms are such an exceedingly simple solution that reduce the risk to the girl from substantial to negligible.

Even if I'm fully capable of convincing someone to voluntarily cross the street blindfolded for money, should I really be doing that?

[Syzygies]

I strongly recommend other barebackers take are the only true technical means to avoid catching as well as infecting your sexual partners with anything nasty along with avoiding unplanned pregnancy.

Understanding and appreciating the reasons women take all kinds of physical and emotional risks with a man and he with her, being more acquainted with the man and he with her, etc. are all nice additions to the mix. But nothing compares with taking those actual pro-active actions and measures I listed above and have repeated several times previously. If anything, those pro-active measures very much trump any well-meaning effort of most guys I have ever known who say they always try to use a condom and so should everyone else. IMO, they are letting themselves off easy with that approach compared to the far more effective pro-active measures they could take instead.

You start to get carried away here. I don't see which measure you mention can help the girl not get pregnant.

Also you seem to claim your measures are more effective than a condom, which is extremely fanciful and I doubt there is any evidence for it. Condoms ARE known to be effective against HIV. I don't see any reason to belittle those using a condom at all. They are going to be at less risk of catching many diseases and obviously less likely to cause a pregnancy, one of the highest risks.

I never ever got any girl pregnant, however it must be that some guys are causing unwanted pregnancies somehow, and there are girls claiming to take precautions of some sort that were not effective. After a condom accident I did make sure the girl took other precautions, and naturally condom accidents are fairly rare if lube is used properly and ensure no air bubbles when putting it on, with good technique. For marathon fucks it can be necessary to change the condom. I don't like condoms sure, but put up with some thin Japanese ones, that I supply myself. I have cancelled with girls insisting to use her own thick or wrong sized condom. Would probably be useless for me. Fortunately 98% of girls are O.K. with my condoms, and maybe 99% for Thais. I have definitely met a few Thai girls that accidentally had a baby from a non Thai man, probably a customer in each case. Even more met hookers stupidly getting pregnant to Thai boys, with boy often doing a runner to a new girl at some point. Teenage pregnancies are high, and abortions low. Why would a hooker be so stupid as to have a baby? Hard to fathom. Why not wait?

[PedroMorales]

I imagine
I theorise.

I know. I went up to Nan (north of see Mai) years ago when the hookers there were supposed to have a 75% infection rate. I also read BS about the low risks for makes of catching the clap and got an awful dose in Pattaya, in part as a result of that unscientific advice. There are real risks out there and mercurial theories do not change them. Junkies, bisexuals, homosexuals and ladyboys have high rates. You don't have to be a genius to see how that ups the infection rate in places like Pattaya.

Theories like these are like the Buddhism of the Pattaya hookers, who believe sacrificing a chicken will cure them. The Pattaya "Buddhists" might be more scientific.

The risks are real. Deal with them and be careful about what you read on the Net.

I'm adopting a new approach: bonking airline cabin crew who are glad of the extra $$, more so the Americans who are taxed on their per dime but not on what I pay. I figure the risks are lower as they are unprepared, are only doing one customer a day (I have my suspicions about yesterday's stack them high bonk) and they have to be uber careful). I get a good rate too and so far, so good.

[EihTooms]

There most certainly are HIV infected heterosexual men. It's simply a question of how much risk there is and whether she wants to take whatever that risk is by having BBFS with a stranger she has just met. I accept this is greatly reduced when results of a recent test are available.

I also accept you have found lots of ladies from all strata of society who took this risk but in my opinion they are foolish and furthermore I suggest they only do so to please the man which can be for any number of ulterior motives from desperation for a mate, loneliness, horniness, money and yes also out of ignorance.

I am not judging anybody, simply stating the reality that there are risks associated with BBFS for both parties and despite your own experiences I still believe really smart health conscious women aware of these risks are unlikely to go BBFS until they are much more acquainted with the guy.

I agree. In fact, I would and have gone even further than you and others in my postings regarding if you're going to go bareback, do it as safely and with as much consideration for your partners as possible.

I will repeat now what I have posted several times, almost as many times as the subject has come up, that IF you are going to indulge in a life of bareback fucking, I strongly recommend you get yourself circumcised, get a vasectomy, don't go bareback unless you have a current (within 1-2 months) negative HIV + other STI blood test result document from a qualified clinic, avoid any obvious visual or otherwise seriously problematic and suspiciously unhealthy vaginas, keep every pertinent body part well lubed at all times, avoid as much as possible prolonged "rough" kinds of sexual activities that might cause skin abrasions, always roll out of bed and wash your package with soapy water within minutes after finishing and take a leak (avoiding the Code Word trigger here) soon after.

IMO, for men who routinely engage in bareback fucking AS WELL AS the occasional "forgetting" to wear a condom, being "too drunk" to wear a condom or that the girl "didn't ask me" to wear a condom guys, those pro-active measures and actions that I have taken and that I strongly recommend other barebackers take are the only true technical means to avoid catching as well as infecting your sexual partners with anything nasty along with avoiding unplanned pregnancy.

Understanding and appreciating the reasons women take all kinds of physical and emotional risks with a man and he with her, being more acquainted with the man and he with her, etc. are all nice additions to the mix. But nothing compares with taking those actual pro-active actions and measures I listed above and have repeated several times previously. If anything, those pro-active measures very much trump any well-meaning effort of most guys I have ever known who say they always try to use a condom and so should everyone else. IMO, they are letting themselves off easy with that approach compared to the far more effective pro-active measures they could take instead.

[Syzygies]

I am not judging anybody, simply stating the reality that there are risks associated with BBFS for both parties and despite your own experiences I still believe really smart health conscious women aware of these risks are unlikely to go BBFS until they are much more acquainted with the guy.

The reality is the BBFS women are taking a significantly higher risk than the guy. Mean number of fucks to catch it from a HIV person are much lower. Circumcision could reduce risk for guy even further. I have a BBFS regular, and am completely honest with her. However she knows guys in general, will lie about how many or which girls they did BB with, or have condom accidents, and hence is ultra suspicious, requiring a regular blood test. If the guy did the odd girl BB the risk is pretty low, but of course there is far more emotional thoughts about HIV than knowing exactly the technical risks.

If I did needles, gays, LBs, etc. I sure she would be doing anything with me at all.

Needles and BB ass fucking remain far greater risks, and quite hard to identify males that really caught HIV another way, and they can easily be lying about exactly what they did. There are probably a lot more likely ways to die. Plenty of studies showed persons did not catch it from their HIV partner with certain safer practices. E. g. I think DATY was considered pretty safe. We don't use protection for that and is unlikely to be needed. I think it is possible to catch Chlamydia from a BBBJ (although rare) and that is how I believe I got it once.

For all those village kids, who lost both parents to HIV, would be interesting to know the percentages of the causes, if could be obtained truthfully. Could be a high percentage of cases where needles were involved at least for the guy. Could be that some of the women were ass fucked, using wild speculation, although they could catch it from BBFS. It really isn't that easy for the male partner to get it, one would think, if he is not a bisexual and not a drug user. Can be the male caught from his wife too, but that might be less than 10% of the cases. If fuck the HIV person BBFS enough times, eventually the risks catch up with you or just get unlucky.

I imagine that older guys are thinking that they have only so many years left anyway, so why not enjoy, taking a few faint risks. There are riskier things, like how many Farangs joined the Pattaya Flying Club, "jumping" (or being jumped) off tall buildings. How many guys caught HIV from a blood transfusion? I certainly met at least one Hemophiliac (spelling) years ago that got HIV from blood transfusion. Blood banks don't want any guys that do hookers, but I am not sure that hookers are actually riskier than non P4P population.

I theorise that doing BBFS with a very small number of well known women, is less risky that BB with any girl that is always willing as a matter of course. Early days in Thailand I was less careful as had no wife to pass on any type of STD. So that is the vastly bigger risk. Catching any type of very transmittable STD, and passing on to GF, wife, etc. HIV gets an unproportionate amount of the publicity. There are plenty of STDs including ones I never heard of before.

[Breadman]

I am not judging anybody, simply stating the reality that there are risks associated with BBFS for both parties and despite your own experiences I still believe really smart health conscious women aware of these risks are unlikely to go BBFS until they are much more acquainted with the guy.

There are risks involved period. If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen. Picked myself up a hottie tonight that had way too many free tequila shots that the bar gives the girl to loosen them up. And we all know what happens with lose women. Take a step back, other areas the women keep a close watch on the activities. Here the lights are out, the girl is feeling very relaxed ie drunk and there's no telling if the guy really had on an intact condom. She feels something and is satisfied. With the next customer the same thing might happen. Over and over again. Guy isn't spending $60 in lady drinks for no reason at all. Hundreds of drunk gogo girls walking out of the club every night needing to earn a bit more cash, what are the chances she doses off without checking for protection. Accept the risks associated with this hobby, there's a reason why this part of Asia is ripe for catching something. I'm not preaching safe sex at all, quite the opposite. Accept that every point might have a shark in it and deal with it however you feel it needs to be dealt with. Well written responses won't save your ass.

Next time your about to get it on and pull out the condom, pay attention to detail for a change. Notice how the girl didn't inspect the package? Didn't bother to check the condoms integrity. Just accepted that the condom was a normal condom when in fact it was anything but. Girl can want to practice safe sex but when you add liquor, overnight stays and dark rooms to the mix anything goes. She didn't check your condom then she didn't check the condom if the guy who cut off the tip.