Bangkok Reports

[Smoothy]

One thing that often gets left out of price increase or comparison discussions is the spread. Over time this has widened considerably and there is now a much larger difference between new players and the higher end girls.

The current Jakarta girls in this discussion range from 500 k to 3 million, a 6 x spread. There was a time when any Blok M girl could be had for 100 k and a 5 star stunner would be laughed at for asking anymore than 250 k.

For Jakarta, if you go all the way back to when it was 100 k, the exchange rate at that time was 2500 to 1. Now it's 14500 to 1 (almost 6 times better exchange rate). If you multiply that 100 k by 5 or 6, you will get the actual comparison. So it equates to about 500 or 600 k now. The going rate is about 1000 k now, so prices have about doubled since then. They have gone up more than that in Thailand.

Indonesia is cheaper than Thailand because of that exchange rate. 14,500 to 1 is a fantastic rate. When I first came to Thailand in 1999, the rate was 47 to 1 for the THB. It is now a worse rate than that, so not only have prices increased, but the rate have gotten worse. I find Thailand to be pretty expensive these days, but I still like it.

[Goferring]

As for Jakarta: I really like Jakarta girls and its nightlife, but again quality does come at a significant price. This is NOT a Cheap Town although it was 15 to 20 years ago.

One thing that often gets left out of price increase or comparison discussions is the spread. Over time this has widened considerably and there is now a much larger difference between new players and the higher end girls.

The current Jakarta girls in this discussion range from 500 k to 3 million, a 6 x spread. There was a time when any Blok M girl could be had for 100 k and a 5 star stunner would be laughed at for asking anymore than 250 k.

The other regions I play in have seen a similar widening of the market so it pays to know what the market rates are and where you want to play. 😁.

New girls are learning a little English, how to apply some make up and after buying a few sexy dresses are seeking multiples of what there starting rates were. Often ST only, CBJ and the like are now requirements as well. 😭.

[Smoothy]

3/ I have never had a Gogo girl offer anal

The gogo across the street from Baccara right at the end next to that restaurant used to have some girls who would offer up anal as standard service. I'm not sure why that was, but the girls acted like they hadn't done their job until you had done their backside as well as their front. (and no, they were not lady boys) I'm not big into anal, but the girls acted like I needed to do that so I did. They also had an awesome lesbian show at that bar. I think the bar was called Our Place or something like that at the time. This was around 2007 or 2008 I believe. Then the arab bought the place and it turned to a worthless place with coyotes and no shows.

[Rob Jones]

So I am doing my first trip to Southeast Asia (Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam) and while I intend to date non pros and go for a few bangs that way, I have a side mission: namely have a-level with at least 10 different girls around the age of 19. After reading about five or six hundred reports in this thread, it seems like it's not too hard to get, but I had some questions:

1 How do I ask if a girl does anal? "Boom boom ass"?

2 Do I ask during initial negotiations or later? If I ask early do I risk losing girls who would have agreed to it later?

3 Does the average gogo girl or MP offer backdoor?

4 If I'm looking for around age 19 what venue is best? Gogo? KTV? Freelance? Internet?

5 In terms of non-pros, is anal common / normal?

6 Any specific bar good for young freelancers?

My best answers.

1/ Do not ask just do.

2/ If Non Pro there should be no negotiations.

3/ I have never had a Gogo girl offer anal, I have by freelancers. This you can negotiate before you bar fine.

4/ I am not 100% sure of Thai law to what the age of consent is, some hotels will not allow you to take a girl under the age of 20 into your room. There are 19 yo everywhere but some girls lie about there age believe it or not.

5/ I have had some non pros offer their ass but if they have been around they will not.

6/ No.

Have you done any research on dating apps and started to meet some girls to test the waters?

[Blanquiceleste]

Good Discussion guys. I appreciate your point of view Crocodilexp.

Could you please clear your PM Inbox Natty? Thanks.

[ALevel]

So I am doing my first trip to Southeast Asia (Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam) and while I intend to date non pros and go for a few bangs that way, I have a side mission: namely have a-level with at least 10 different girls around the age of 19. After reading about five or six hundred reports in this thread, it seems like it's not too hard to get, but I had some questions:

1 How do I ask if a girl does anal? "Boom boom ass"?

2 Do I ask during initial negotiations or later? If I ask early do I risk losing girls who would have agreed to it later?

3 Does the average gogo girl or MP offer backdoor?

4 If I'm looking for around age 19 what venue is best? Gogo? KTV? Freelance? Internet?

5 In terms of non-pros, is anal common / normal?

6 Any specific bar good for young freelancers?

[Member #4698]

Good Discussion guys. I appreciate your point of view Crocodilexp.

[Crocodilexp]

I was just in HK, Macau, Singapore, CGK and BKK. The Wanchai bar scene was dreadful comprised of amazingly low quality, fat, past their prime import girls (mostly Pinays) hoping for large money deposits. I found the Chinese 141 girly scene much better, although quality was far from cheap ie slightly more expensive at every price point than the BKK escort scene.

Great comparison post, it's an interesting topic. Wanchai bars are a dying scene for expats set in their western ways. Sex with streetwalkers can be had in Hong Kong for as low as 200 HKD which is 850 baht (though more typically 300 HKD), and yes, that's 2018 prices. There are quite a few along Temple St market and Shanghai St. The sessions are in nearby buildings (often cramped and run down, but HK rooms are expensive) and the service is most often basic, but with a bit of chemistry it could be surprisingly decent (for me, it's about 50:50 chance of basic vs good). As for 141's, while HK island is expensive (600 HKD), in areas such as Sham Shui Po, you can easily find 141's for 400 HKD or so, a great value considering other prices in the city.

As for Jakarta: I really like Jakarta girls and its nightlife, but again quality does come at a significant price.

Jakarta has a few widely scattered sex venues, but I just can't bring myself to 1-2 million IDR on a wham-bam within mafia-controlled premises (like at Malio or former Alexis). In Indonesia, a million IDR is a huge amount of money, more than the weekly earnings for the majority of the locals. Sure, the girls might be good looking, but service and attitude is too inconsistent for the price. Moreover, the places are too obviously mafia-run and tightly controlled, and the girl is processing 5-15 sausages per day, so the chance of any semi-genuine connection or even convincingly faked good vibes is way lower than in Bangkok, where girls are mostly free, and get less mileage. Even if you magically liked each other, she's not going to go to your hotel or stick around for longer than the venue times the session. That type of thing is fine for 400 k IDR (1000 baht) in Travel or Classic (though service is abysmal), but for me, not ok for 3-5 times the money.

I haven't been to Macau, but I think the market is anomalous due to gambling. The customers there are extremely price elastic and don't give a shit on how much money they burn, as long as they're having a good time. After burning a $10 k for nothing (gambling it away, for the thrillz), dropping $300-$500 for a fuck seems like a great value. Other scenes, especially those geared mainly towards the locals, are usually way more price sensitive.

My point to you is prices are up everywhere in major Asian metropolitan destinations

Not in the local, low-end and midrange scenes. You can easily get laid in HK for 200-400 HKD (800-1600 baht), in KL for 50-200 MYR (400-1500 baht), in Jakarta for 400 IDR (900 baht). Bangkok does not compare favorably at all.

despite my strong positive feelings for Jakarta girls, I still find BKK to be overall a better place to punt long term

Unfortunately, I have to agree. For a casual visitor, Bangkok or Pattaya are better sex scenes than almost all other cities in Asia, due to accessibility, the type and variety of venues, the quality of service as well as the general atmosphere (freedom of choice, not being stuck in some mafia-run meet market or very seedy local-only spot). Sadly, this is true despite Thailand sex scene being much worse than 10 years ago, with prices 2-3 times higher, far worse selection and lower fun factor. I do wonder why the paid sex scene is seemingly on the decline everywhere (in Asia and Europe, at least).

For a resident expat, though, Thailand is a shadow of its former self. The sex scene is getting worse every month, we're scraping the bottom of the barrel of Thai women in terms of looks. Even if it's still technically better than other places, the taste of disappointment is difficult to wash away. Going rates are now high enough that even though I can afford them, I always wonder if I should just jerk off and do something more fun with my money, and the answer is usually yes (with the exception of a few venues like Tulip or Snow White).

[Member #4698]

Travel and Classic; still a good gal for what the equivalent of less than 1 k Baht. What preserves the scene is there are very few tourists.

Maybe, sometimes, once in a while. The problem I have with Travel & Classic is once you find a good looking gal you still don't know what kind of service you are going to receive in the room. It is a crap shoot therefor consistency of decent service is a real problem in these two establishments.

So rather than waste time (time is money) and valuable jism I prefer places like Emporium, a mid level bordello, where you can find attractive girls and a more consistent high level of service. Prices start at Emporium at 900,000 idr (2000 baht) for regular girls and then go up to 1,200,000 idr (2700 baht) for the VIP girls. I wish I could report differently, but on every one of my visits the cute girls were in the VIP section and I noticed that most of the Indonesian customers felt the same way. As I posted earlier 3 of my 4 VIP Emporium girls were memorable and absolutely repeat worthy. Sadly, I only repeated with one of them.

Top end Malio Club and Malioboro Lounge have couch girls too, some of whom are very attractive. Over the years I have had some great sessions with these girls and only 1 mediocre session that I can recall. That is a high level of consistency. Malio & Malioboro prices start at 900,000 idr (2000 baht), then 1,100,000 idr (2500 baht) for preferred Indonesian couch girls, then rise to 1,700,000 idr (3800 baht) for Malioboro dancers, 2,000,000 idr (4500 baht) for some Malio Dancers to 3,000,000 idr (6800 baht) for other Malio Dancers. Don't ask me what the difference in Malio dancers is. So clearly one can see the two lines of distinction: couch girls are priced similar to BKK oily massage girls and the dancers are priced similar to BKK soapy sideline girls. I have left out the Imports which are priced at 2,200,000 idr (5000 baht). While in Jakarta I took a sexy, Asiatic looking, Kazak Malioboro girl upstairs one night and had a great time with her.

My conclusion is Jakarta prices are very similar to BKK prices. One might think there is higher quality of girls and service in Jakarta. Maybe, but I think there are great girls in both cities. You just have to look around. Travel & Classic girls are priced at the low end. This does not mean there are not some attractive girls there giving good service. There are. Just as there are some attractive girls giving good service on Soi 6 in Pattaya, just not that many to suit my taste. 555. But I am glad there is a Classic Hotel and a Soi 6 even though I rarely partake. I enjoy window shopping on Soi 6 and believe me I am ready to make a move should I spot a looker. I spotted one on my last visit, but another punter got to her seconds before me. HA HA. The rest of the time I did not see any other girls in her league so I found what I was looking for on Walking Street. All's well that ends well.

[Goatscrot]

I was just in HK, Macau, Singapore, CGK and BKK. The Wanchai bar scene was dreadful comprised of amazingly low quality, fat, past their prime import girls (mostly Pinays) hoping for large money deposits. I found the Chinese 141 girly scene much better, although quality was far from cheap ie slightly more expensive at every price point than the BKK escort scene.

As for Jakarta: I really like Jakarta girls and its nightlife, but again quality does come at a significant price. This is NOT a Cheap Town although it was 15 to 20 years ago. I won't mention (ha ha) what a session with a Malio Club dancer goes for nowadays, but it is comparable in price to sideline La Belle girls in BKK although I do think the quality is higher in Malio. Of course Malio couch girls cost significantly less than the dancers as do the girls at the Emporium Hotel and other bordellos catering, as you point out, to mostly local customers. The price at most high level to medium level Jakarta bordellos ranges from slightly more than to slightly less than the price at oily massage parlors in BKK. Again, I think the quality is higher in Jakarta and on most nights I was the only farang in these establishments. But I do not like the cheap scene in Jakarta. Quality of service as well as girl quality is a major problem in the cheap, cheap places. You get what you pay for was never more true than in the Jakarta nightlife scene.

Lastly, and I only mention this because this scene is comprised of mostly Chinese, albeit, non local customers, Macau: where prices are the highest in Asia. Up 35% from 2016 when I was last there and yet the top saunas had no lack of price elastic customers. Kind of makes me think there is no limit to how high prices will eventually go in BKK or Jakarta not to mention Pattaya or Phnom Penh and AC.

My point to you is prices are up everywhere in major Asian metropolitan destinations and despite my strong positive feelings for Jakarta girls, I still find BKK to be overall a better place to punt long term. Feel free to disagree with me, but if I were to choose anywhere to live in metropolitan Asia, it would still be BKK. I think I would be very unhappy living full time in Jakarta unless I had a great, high paying job with an expense account. The only reason I will ever go back to HK is to catch the shortest duration flight back to east coast USA. Even Singapore is better than HK in terms of nightlife possibilities IMHO.

Travel and Classic; still a good gal for what the equivalent of less than 1 k Baht. I would not want to live in Jakarta. What preserves the scene is there are very few tourists.

[Syzygies]

I have been trying this website for a few weeks. I would say it is a lot of work for not much result.

Well prices are around 1500-2000 thb for a short time, far from the 3-4.000 in Cowboy, so it is rather cheap. Yes, but girls seem very picky and prefer not to deal with foreigner customer. I know because I have tried to contact same girls on Line with a Caucasian profile picture, and with a seemingly Thai. Much more answers in the latter case.

Yesterday that girl stood up on me.

https://finfanfan.com/post/minnee

She probably found it very funny to have me waiting in front of the hotel and then block me.

Freelance hookers are notoriously not reliable, but here there is one more difficulty.

Where is your Hotel? Might be too much effort for her to go there. Says she is located in Soi Lasalle (Lasaan) in Bering area (end of Sukhumvit BTS line or did it get extended again already?). Seems to say she accepts work in Bering, Samrong and Theparak areas.

Incidentally she says "No kissing, no ass, no raw, of any type" which suggests she would do CBJ most likely. Her Thai is a little difficult as includes obvious spelling errors but not always clear what it should read. There is a phrase "suck raw up" suggesting perhaps BBBJ is on after all, so her specs even seem contradictory at times. It is not good Thai. Her education level maybe poor.
"Not outside. No go room" Does it mean she won't go to your room, or using her room is not possible? Not very clear really. Presumably at least means not outside her area. I would guess you have to have a room close by or use her prescribed room , and that will cost you extra. She also wants to see a real pic of the customer. Her body and face type does suit to me. This a model type of look for me and has no baby. I would go to her location if she assured me she likes Farang and not scared of dick. I would not be keen to pay first though in case of scam. 1700 for 90 mins with 2 pops sounds like a good option though. Cost to get there and back could be fairly cheap if go on the BTS to Bering and motorcycle from there. Taxi both ways could cost almost 400 baht more from lower Sukhumvit. For some reason she gives her Kasigorn account number like to transfer money to her. I guess customer can pay this way instead of cash. Ha ha. The web site states clearly that you should not transfer money under any circumstances. (scam alert)

I would even offer her a bonus for extra good service, e.g. GFE style.

You could well have come unstuck due to communication issues, but I can't know that for sure. I would certainly make a voice call with the girl and chat briefly to gauge attitudes.

Getting a fuck in Bangkok is like shooting fish in a barrel if you go to places catering for Farang. If you have no Thai language, girls with low English ability may think too much effort, or they may think Farangs have painful cocks and want to fuck for 90 minutes (ha ha). I want to fuck at least 60.

So I think Fin Fan Fan is not really suited to the average Farang punter. However if you want all the hard work, go for it. For me, too much effort defeats the cheapness of the girl, and a low price usually = "quickie" in my experience.

I have not bothered to try Fin Fan Fan as yet, and that is despite my ability to read and write in Thai messaging.

If anyone has found it productive, would be interesting. I think only for those with a lot of experience.

[Lefeu]

I was just in HK, Macau, Singapore, CGK and BKK. The Wanchai bar scene was dreadful comprised of amazingly low quality, fat, past their prime import girls (mostly Pinays) hoping for large money deposits...

That was my reaction as well, when I first mongered in Wanchai, 6/7 years ago. Those Pinays, speaking decent English, targeted mostly foreign mongers and asked for an arm and a leg. One can go to the Philippines and get better quality at a fraction of the cost. I found the walk-in Chinese places in HK to be a much better deal for a quickie.

[Member #4698]

But now you see what the locals are paying and what quality they are getting. We are really being "had" in the scene that is directed at foreigners. That is why HK and Jakarta are still ok. When you are fishing in the same pond as the locals, it is a different and better game.

I was just in HK, Macau, Singapore, CGK and BKK. The Wanchai bar scene was dreadful comprised of amazingly low quality, fat, past their prime import girls (mostly Pinays) hoping for large money deposits. I found the Chinese 141 girly scene much better, although quality was far from cheap ie slightly more expensive at every price point than the BKK escort scene.

As for Jakarta: I really like Jakarta girls and its nightlife, but again quality does come at a significant price. This is NOT a Cheap Town although it was 15 to 20 years ago. I won't mention (ha ha) what a session with a Malio Club dancer goes for nowadays, but it is comparable in price to sideline La Belle girls in BKK although I do think the quality is higher in Malio. Of course Malio couch girls cost significantly less than the dancers as do the girls at the Emporium Hotel and other bordellos catering, as you point out, to mostly local customers. The price at most high level to medium level Jakarta bordellos ranges from slightly more than to slightly less than the price at oily massage parlors in BKK. Again, I think the quality is higher in Jakarta and on most nights I was the only farang in these establishments. But I do not like the cheap scene in Jakarta. Quality of service as well as girl quality is a major problem in the cheap, cheap places. You get what you pay for was never more true than in the Jakarta nightlife scene.

Lastly, and I only mention this because this scene is comprised of mostly Chinese, albeit, non local customers, Macau: where prices are the highest in Asia. Up 35% from 2016 when I was last there and yet the top saunas had no lack of price elastic customers. Kind of makes me think there is no limit to how high prices will eventually go in BKK or Jakarta not to mention Pattaya or Phnom Penh and AC.

My point to you is prices are up everywhere in major Asian metropolitan destinations and despite my strong positive feelings for Jakarta girls, I still find BKK to be overall a better place to punt long term. Feel free to disagree with me, but if I were to choose anywhere to live in metropolitan Asia, it would still be BKK. I think I would be very unhappy living full time in Jakarta unless I had a great, high paying job with an expense account. The only reason I will ever go back to HK is to catch the shortest duration flight back to east coast USA. Even Singapore is better than HK in terms of nightlife possibilities IMHO.

[Goatscrot]

I have been trying this website for a few weeks. I would say it is a lot of work for not much result.

Well prices are around 1500-2000 thb for a short time, far from the 3-4.000 in Cowboy, so it is rather cheap. Yes, but girls seem very picky and prefer not to deal with foreigner customer. I know because I have tried to contact same girls on Line with a Caucasian profile picture, and with a seemingly Thai. Much more answers in the latter case.

Yesterday that girl stood up on me.

https://finfanfan.com/post/minnee

She probably found it very funny to have me waiting in front of the hotel and then block me.

Freelance hookers are notoriously not reliable, but here there is one more difficulty.

But now you see what the locals are paying and what quality they are getting. We are really being "had" in the scene that is directed at foreigners. That is why HK and Jakarta are still ok. When you are fishing in the same pond as the locals, it is a different and better game.

[Syzygies]

Not that it matters, but the mamasan I tip is very fuckable herself (I would definitely shag her). If a girl you like is sitting with another guy, you can ask the mamasan to go speak to her in Thai and tell her to come to you after she is done with that guy. Otherwise, there is a chance another guy will immediately grab her the second she steps away from that guy. Or like I mentioned, she could possibly pull a girl from the back room that you haven't even seen (the bars where they have shows sometimes have the hottest girls who do the shows sitting in the back room half the time). There are times tipping the mamasan is beneficial.

Sure, if the girl is available and in eye sight, you can offer to buy her a drink. It's not always that simple.

Yes absolutely. Important to make a girl aware she is wanted by you so you can be next if her customer decides to leave. Much easier for girls when they know who wants them, except for the "rot fai laay kabuan chon gun", this quaint Thai expression means a crash of two or more trains, and refers to multiple guys all trying to get to same super hot girl.

If the girl is hot enough, "there are the quick and the losers". I used to almost grab one CH favourite as she entered the front door in civies, since I had a fair idea what time she normally arrived. I was well aware of the danger of letting some other guy get to her first. Fortunately she liked me well enough and was a screamer on the bed, but she probably had many guys that she liked too. In other cases you utilise staff to help notify a girl, if she is failing to look in your direction. If a girl does glance at me, it is pretty easy to give her the nod that she is wanted, or use a hand movement to indicate a drink for her. If knows you, she will have a fair idea if BF is likely too. On entry in civies, girls often do not take time to survey which customers are present, like they sheepishly dash to the change area, due to the lateness of arrival, or embarrassed to be over dressed perhaps.

Strangely, some girls even seem to get a bit stressed out when there are multiple guys all known to be wanting to take her. It would seem more stressful to me to have a lack of customers. Its clear she has to disappoint some of them, and she best decide which guy to choose and make her apologies to the others.

One Suzie W girl really appreciated me meeting her at 6.30PM for ST as a regular thing, since it did not cause clashes with her other customers. I did not even have to enter the bar mostly so saved on drinks. It increased her chance to be available greatly. She habitually did multiple STs per evening and rarely wanted to do a LT for obvious reasons, unless money offered was high and the LT was commencing at close to 2AM, or was a very valued customer.