FKK Palace - Frankfurt

[BigBuddy69]

Only few girls provide that for 100 / hour. If you are lucky enough they throw in CIM at the end as well.

But I think most of them would ask 150 for same service, higher than that is upsell.

Too bad you don't realize that 150/ h is already an upsell.

[Member #4636]

Most would not agree for E 100 for CIM I guess. But I managed this in Sharks with a girl.

CIM is always an extra, so no they will not agree. Best is to start saying what you want from the beginning and you may negotiate a better price. Not all girls provide the same service for a fixed price, and of course not all of them provide quality service which is more important.

[FunExplorer]

Only few girls provide that for 100 / hour. If you are lucky enough they throw in CIM at the end as well.

But I think most of them would ask 150 for same service, higher than that is upsell.

Most would not agree for E 100 for CIM I guess. But I managed this in Sharks with a girl.

[FunExplorer]

Which is fair enough if service is really provided as you say, which include DFK, BBBJ and hey do not forget DATY LOL.

Yes had forgotten. Well that was always included.

[Member #4636]

Which is fair enough if service is really provided as you say, which include DFK, BBBJ and hey do not forget DATY LOL.

Only few girls provide that for 100 / hour. If you are lucky enough they throw in CIM at the end as well.

But I think most of them would ask 150 for same service, higher than that is upsell.

[Mr Ho]

That girls now ask E 100.

Which is fair enough if service is really provided as you say, which include DFK, BBBJ and hey do not forget DATY LOL.

[FunExplorer]

Thanks for the FR, Lathano, but it just reinforces that we are all different. I will gladly pay 100 a half for BBBJ and kissing at a nice club with a great LU and I am surely not alone (and no I am not Asian). And just the pricing consistency alone is a huge plus. I only went to Palace five years ago and was underimpressed but after the remodel and review I will most certainly go again!

It's great that at some clubs you are negotiating lower rates, but IMO, the new rate is justified and it is not the girls fault. It used to be 50 included BBBJ, but now many are asking for an illegal act for the same price. Pussy costs what it does in Pussy Prison USA because it is illegal. Making BBBJ illegal upped the price. Not the fault of the girls IMO (tho the extra for DFK trend is alarming).

But in the end, what is too much for one guy is just fine for another, just as you like the RLD and some do not. There is no right answer (I know you are not saying there is) just different tastes and value curves.

Thanks for your continuing amazing contributions to the forum!

I agree with you. I had some excellent sessions last month with varied ethnicity. The girls were nice, well cultured and understanding. Of course, I also initially resented paying E 100 here as well as in Sharks, but soon realised that is going to be be the norm. As you point out, it would not be unreasonable if girls demand E 100, provided they offer BBBJ and DFK. I did get these from all girls I went with. Some girls were not time watchers so much so they were with me for one hour.

That girls now ask E 100.

[Steve 9696]

Thanks for the FR, Lathano, but it just reinforces that we are all different. I will gladly pay 100€ a half for BBBJ and kissing at a nice club with a great LU and I am surely not alone (and no I am not Asian). And just the pricing consistency alone is a huge plus. I only went to Palace five years ago and was underimpressed — but after the remodel and review I will most certainly go again!

It's great that at some clubs you are negotiating lower rates, but IMO, the new rate is justified and it is not the girls fault. It used to be 50€ included BBBJ, but now many are asking for an illegal act for the same price. Pussy costs what it does in Pussy Prison USA because it is illegal. Making BBBJ illegal upped the price. Not the fault of the girls IMO (tho the extra for DFK trend is alarming).

But in the end, what is too much for one guy is just fine for another, just as you like the RLD and some do not. There is no right answer (I know you are not saying there is) — just different tastes and value curves.

Thanks for your continuing amazing contributions to the forum!

[Member #4636]

Thank you for the thoughtful comments on my report. I will however clarify that here, this was ABSOLUTELY not my point. (Maybe I should have moved the "Number of asian customers" further away from the riff-raff comment which was not connected. Quite the opposite, the Asian customers are well-behaved, but it does as in the other clubs imply the greater tourist-focus rather than on locals, though not necessarily.

But yes, I think that the Chinese / Japanese customers that are just flying in for a weekend business trip are more likely to be generous and overpay, and that is probably a main characteristic of this club.

On the other hand anyway, this was my view, my German companion really enjoyed the club, despite not taking a room. This club is a level above a number of others with a very different vibe. I can imagine for other people it may make a 6/10 or higher if one has never been in an FKK before and has come from out of town.

I believe the eloquent girl mentioned below's name was Elina, for whatever it adds.

Pretty much close to reality. Some magic things can happen into this club a newbie much be prepared and careful. It is a fuck luck place, some days are great some others are boring to hell. The food is always nice never complain. The kino is great but I am not the guy who will watch porn in a FKK and start jerking LOL LOL.

All girls upsell but there are 1-2 that provide great service for 100/ hour. I miss the jacuzzi because it gave a great view to watch the girls coming toward you while inside LOL.

I don't like much the new look I prefer the previous one. The rooms are also very nice I usually go to a room that fits 10 couples I have no idea why they take me there, I never ask for an orgy LOL.

[Member #4585]

Thank you for the thoughtful comments on my report. I will however clarify that here, this was ABSOLUTELY not my point. (Maybe I should have moved the "Number of asian customers" further away from the riff-raff comment which was not connected. Quite the opposite, the Asian customers are well-behaved, but it does as in the other clubs imply the greater tourist-focus rather than on locals, though not necessarily.

But yes, I think that the Chinese / Japanese customers that are just flying in for a weekend business trip are more likely to be generous and overpay, and that is probably a main characteristic of this club.

On the other hand anyway, this was my view, my German companion really enjoyed the club, despite not taking a room. This club is a level above a number of others with a very different vibe. I can imagine for other people it may make a 6/10 or higher if one has never been in an FKK before and has come from out of town.

I believe the eloquent girl mentioned below's name was Elina, for whatever it adds.

Palace does have a good foreign number. I see your point. The entry price hopefully deters the tire kickers but many times I do not see this.

Your report does imply that the average Palace dame is a higher level, showing good manners and high intellect in holding a conversation, in English, which a tourist from out of town would appreciate. This are all positives in a normative sense. I think your grading is harsh given the many positives you write.

Also good to know that business is conducted at weekends to accommodate the fly in customers from China and Japan for weekend business trips. In my times in Frankfurt, there is nary a thing open on a Sunday except a few petrol stations, Mc Donalds and FKK clubs. I wish I had their contacts doing business on Sundays and Saturdays since when I do business it has to be Monday to Friday.

[Lanthano]

Interesting point that the Asians cannot afford to enter the clubs keeping the "riff-raff" out. I expect you are implying this is a bad thing since it makes the club more unequal in its clientele. Makes a difference to the complaint that Asians are overpaying.

Thank you for the thoughtful comments on my report. I will however clarify that here, this was ABSOLUTELY not my point. (Maybe I should have moved the "Number of asian customers" further away from the riff-raff comment which was not connected. Quite the opposite, the Asian customers are well-behaved, but it does as in the other clubs imply the greater tourist-focus rather than on locals, though not necessarily.

But yes, I think that the Chinese / Japanese customers that are just flying in for a weekend business trip are more likely to be generous and overpay, and that is probably a main characteristic of this club.

On the other hand anyway, this was my view, my German companion really enjoyed the club, despite not taking a room. This club is a level above a number of others with a very different vibe. I can imagine for other people it may make a 6/10 or higher if one has never been in an FKK before and has come from out of town.

I believe the eloquent girl mentioned below's name was Elina, for whatever it adds.

[Member #4585]

saving myself the 75 euro entry fee.

You have patience and opportunity being local to await the time when the entry falls to 50 bucks from 75 bucks. Not all of us have your opportunity. You are in a privileged position. Be thankful.

The jacuzzi which used to be somewhere around here fell victim to the renovations. My opinion: Wish they'd kept a jacuzzi but otherwise very good. Really good.

That jacuzzi is a pool of infection and disease. In a way I am glad it is gone. Long story, but that is my feed back.

The L-U is, in terms of looks and in terms of attitudes, very good.

Good to know that the 40+ line up on a Friday is good looking and good attitudes. Maybe like a contact bar where one knows that they will become lucky with a mark.

This is the first club I have been to that is tourist-dominated. English rather than German is the go-to language. The German skills of many of the girls is quite limited, and the level of English by contrast is very high, the highest I've seen. In a sense, this FKK reflects Frankfurt in general in terms of its focus.

One of the bittersweet points of the L-U is the attitude of the girls. It is. The best I have seen so far. They're talkative, friendly, extremely welcoming, accepting when you tell them why and what you're doing and if you don't want to go to the room. They approach, they approach again whilst not making you feel too pressured. If you're respectful, they are respectful back. The rejection (I should say the decline rather than reject) of my offers was always done in a way that I am not used to in other clubs. The club seems to be a different level of expectation, price, maybe class than what I've seen so far.

An actual conversation verging on the philosophical, surreal.

This remains a tourist-club. Many of the girls can hold their own in a conversation in English quite well.

You make a true recommendation that this club is Tourist friendly and is a positive in Palace's favor. Good promotion.

The issue is the service. The girls upsells beyond standard covered suck and fuck. A girl told me it's been a year since this pricing took effect. That means the after the new law. They are charging extras beyond covered suck and fuck.

Back in the days with standard pricing made things easier, but with the new law services are getting more difficult in Germany.

I could not find a room with conditions that I would accept. Prices for what I was looking for (my 2 conditions which I never budge on; kissing and BJ that I like) always defaulted to 100 euros for 30 minutes. Every single time. I believe there is a cartel here. Best I could find was 100 euros for 1 hour for what I was looking for.

100 for 30 minutes all the way until the end. Almost without exception.

How you explain Palace is that it hold true to the FKK club ethos of standard pricing for standard service. At least every girl is consistent which is what your experience says. Nowadays it is a case of each customer not knowing what the pricing for each girl is. In time immemorial there was the case that each girl provided the same service level for the same fee. It seems Palace has clung to that ideal to ensure that customers have that certainty. No matter if you take a 9 or a 10 grade girl she will offer the same deal. The FKK tradition is of a cartel where there is standard service. This is what a few of the older reporters talked about that you knew what you were getting.

Customer base had a few older Germans at the beginning, however later is was mostly foreign.

Yeah, its the same in many Western countries. The native population is getting older hence are retired having more time on their hands so can attend in the day time. The work is being taken up more and more by foreigners who have to work in the day time. This explains why later on the clientele is foreign since they had to work in the day. One must be thankful for non native workers.

The club through its pricing especially after 5 pm keeps the riff-raff out. Number of Asian customers.

Interesting point that the Asians cannot afford to enter the clubs keeping the "riff-raff" out. I expect you are implying this is a bad thing since it makes the club more unequal in its clientele. Makes a difference to the complaint that Asians are overpaying.

[Sirioja]

Entry 50 before 5 pm now? Less expensive than Sharks or World.

When I visited before works, when Sharks is now lower level than until 2016 for me because of casting, I felt higher level club at Palace than in others in Hessen. But dead on day and bad point for no more pool.

[Lanthano]

FKK Dietzenbach -done
Bahama Club -done
FKK Sharks -done
FKK Oase -done
FKK Atlanta -done
5th Element -done
FKK World -done
FKK Rom -done
FKK Night and Day -done
The Palace -done
FKK Mainhattan


Having fixed a nice strong glass of absinthe, he began the tale....

Visiting the 10 of the 11 Hessen FKKs, I again consider why these and why this order.

I have heard back and forth about this place, a mainstay FKK that used to have the greatest reputation that the German guests for a quite a while eschewed. Taking this on board, I left it last, deciding to see the other better clubs which are purer in terms of offering a true FKK experience, saving myself the 75 euro entry fee.

Now, having gone through almost all of them, and following the renovation work which prompted the management to drop the entry fee to 50 euros before 5 pm daily, I figured the time had come to take the short U-Bahn ride to check it out finally.

What I found is a mixed bag with good sides in terms of facilities, staff, ambiance, but purely in terms of what I go to an FKK for, value for money P6 with girls, a disaster. I will admit that I asked for it: 1) It's Palace, a club frequented mostly by tourists with relatively few Stammgaeste 2) I am used to my 2 conditions being met eventually for the standard price. 3) It was Friday night, busiest day of the week.

I wanted to find a club that was different from what I had heard and read, an FKK close to where I live (very close). It could have been perfect now, with myself being prime Stammgast material along with the new entry price. Sadly, I am disappointed that this cannot be the case.

-Getting there: Easiest of them all. Right in front of your nose.

Take the U-6 or U-7 to Hausen or Heerstrasse, get out at Industriehof. Takes 15 minutes if that. Take a left from the station and up one street. You can't miss it.

Getting back: Same lines back to wherever you're staying.

-Layout / Facilities: Spacious enough but not a massive club. Slightly smaller than Sharks without the outside area. The layout confused me a bit. The lighting is very dim I can recall 1 storey divided into 3 main circles.

-From the entrance and reception desk, you find the first circle. Gambling machines here, changing rooms to the left. To the right is the restaurant where food is served. Bar / social area is behind a half-fence.

The restaurant is rather small and during the first serving of dinner it may be difficult to find room. But whatever, the food was really good. Breakfast, with pastries and a light warm course served throughout up until 19:30 when dinner is served. Dinner tonight included a chicken, pork and fish dish. I found this one of the clubs many good points.

Another way takes you along hallways of rooms to the Hamam (steambath) which is next to the massage station. Needless to say I didn't spend much time here.

-Past the fence into the bar area, which is the second circle. Left before heading to the bar, is a doorway that heads (leftward again) to the kino. The kino is amazing. The screen is the largest I have seen so far, with the comfortable cushioned s platforms in front of it offering the perfect scene for an orgy. The girls actively come in and out here to offer their skills and support your desire. Saw BJs (CBJs) being performed here openly. The porn playing is equally fantastic with surround sound. Best kino I have seen so far. Perfect.

The decor changes from that of an oriental palace to a very pretty trendy circular bar. It looks great. Admittedly I never visited the club before the renovations but I did enjoy the look of it. Bar staff was extremely professional and were working around the clock serving drinks.

The jacuzzi which used to be somewhere around here fell victim to the renovations.

Left of the bar steps lead up to another level with sofas. Both ways behind the bar leads up some stairs to the final circle.

-The last circle consists of a round sofa at the top with stair leading down on all sides (apart from where some showers are) down to the 2 saunas, 1 VIP lounge and two bungalow like rooms that look like confession boxes.

The club had hourly sauna sessions with a Saunameister (nice guy).

Sorry for my rather imperfect description of the layout, but the main points are there.

My opinion: Wish they'd kept a jacuzzi but otherwise very good. Really good.

-Girls / L-U:

This is where things get very confusing. The L-U is, in terms of looks and in terms of attitudes, very good.

On this Friday night, I must have at least seen 40 girls at the night's peak before they disappeared in the early hours of the morning. Up until 9 maybe, the girl-guy ratio was in favour of the guys, then leveled, and then generally the number of people in the club died past 2 am.

The L-you is very varied. Apart from the Romanian majority, Hungarian, Dominican, Colombian, German girls were also there.
(Note: I saw one of my previous sessioned girls from Oase here tonight)

This is the first club I have been to that is tourist-dominated. English rather than German is the go-to language. The German skills of many of the girls is quite limited, and the level of English by contrast is very high, the highest I've seen. In a sense, this FKK reflects Frankfurt in general in terms of its focus.

One of the bittersweet points of the L-U is the attitude of the girls. It is. The best I have seen so far. They're talkative, friendly, extremely welcoming, accepting when you tell them why and what you're doing and if you don't want to go to the room. They approach, they approach again whilst not making you feel too pressured. If you're respectful, they are respectful back. The rejection (I should say the decline rather than reject) of my offers was always done in a way that I am not used to in other clubs. The club seems to be a different level of expectation, price, maybe class than what I've seen so far.

I could not find a room with conditions that I would accept. Prices for what I was looking for (my 2 conditions which I never budge on; kissing and BJ that I like) always defaulted to 100 euros for 30 minutes. Every single time. I believe there is a cartel here. Best I could find was 100 euros for 1 hour for what I was looking for.

Unless others were being offered better, I have reason to believe that the standard is essentially the same as the RLD, just for 50 euros instead.

The club in my opinion wins in terms of facilities, but fails in terms of what I would want in an FKK club, namely affordable desirable service.

-Own experience:

I did not enjoy my time here because I could not find what I was looking for. Yet I didn't hate it either.

Damage was the 50 euros entry before 5 pm. The girls are largely motivated but I just couldn't negociate for what I wanted because it always defaulted to an offer that I would not accept.

100 for 30 minutes all the way until the end. Almost without exception. No good.

I came here armed with enough money. I came here with a German friend who knows his way around the FKKs as well. I didn't take a room and nor did he, as both of us couldn't find acceptable conditions. And try we did. It's the equivalent of hitting your head against a brick wall until exhaustion. I recall one of my approaches, interestingly, turning into a two-way with a rather eloquent girl explaining why she would not agree to my conditions and turning the question around. RLD vs. FKKs. An actual conversation verging on the philosophical, surreal.

We enjoyed the food, made use of the facilities, chatted with the girls quite a lot.

Customer base had a few older Germans at the beginning, however later is was mostly foreign.

The club through its pricing especially after 5 pm keeps the riff-raff out. Number of Asian customers.

This remains a tourist-club. Many of the girls can hold their own in a conversation in English quite well. Most German customers do not come here and I see why. It is something else.

-Verdict:

5/10 An odd experience verging on the bad. Good facilities, girls that seem to be nice and then in an organised fashion cockblock with pricing that is beyond my willingness to pay. (Maybe I'm the riff-raff they're keeping out?)

Would I come back? Not unless something changes with the pricing by these girls. This club perhaps, sadly, just isn't for me. This disappointment is perhaps the biggest I've experienced so far in FKK land as everything else is great, but the crucial point of having good sex in an FKK club at a fair price isn't there.

I let them know at the front desk on my way out in what verged on a tirade (No, I was nice but clearly frustrated). They diplomatically took the feedback.

As usual, if you find the report helpful, please consider adding it to the reports of (dubious) distinction section. I am as always happy to contribute to the forum.

[Member #4636]

I think that yesterday was the first Tuesday where men could stay dressed in the club with the nude girls, also with a lower entry.

If anyone went please report how it was.