Lima

[Golfinho]

. I have personally seen this happen in several monger destinations. Costa Rica, Rio, and Sosua. I would say it is mainly because guys have an "It would cost way more back home" attitude and paying way above what the locals would..

I would say it is because after getting yourself all the way to wherever you are, you're not about to turn down something good just because of a few dollars attitude. It's a night of your life you'll never get get back, so why not enjoy it. The other point of view expressed is a prime example of an individual whose life consists of going back and forth from one hole to another in the heavily trafficked sex tourist destinations of Sosua to Colombia to Brazil or Peru or Costa Rica to Philippines.

[Mr Enternational]

The number of ISG folks visiting Lima is very low so, how can paying above, what you feel is the right cost, or your budget can take, impact or:

". It hurts the locals and us that don't have lots of money".

It has always been and will be "Demand and supply" so in my opinion, regardless what ISG folks pay for their pleasure I am afraid it will not impact what other will have to pay.

Unless I am missing something.

I do not think it has an impact on locals, but it defintely has an impact on foreign mongers. I have personally seen this happen in several monger destinations. Costa Rica, Rio, and Sosua. But I would not say that even 1% of the mongers that go to these places are on ISG, so it is not an ISG thing. I know a lot of freaking mongers, but the few that I know that are on ISG, I met from ISG. I would say it is mainly because guys have an "It would cost way more back home" attitude and paying way above what the locals would. Over time those $100 prices become the norm of what they ask from foreigners when they would not dare go to a local with some bullshit like that.

A prime example, a friend of mine that bartends at a local cat house in Santo Domingo yesterday sent me a special that they are running. 3 girls for 1 hour for $30. That is $10 per girl. You next to never see a foreigner in this place. The places that you never see locals in, ask foreigners for $100; and they pay it. You can see many reports of this in that thread. I come make a post about the local place; A monger that is new to the city or has no idea makes a post about getting a chick at the $100 spot.

To me, a dead giveaway is that you walk into these places and you are the only monger there. If you don't see any local men then you should know that you are about to be taken for a ride. I have never seen 1 Peruvian monger in Tequila Reef where the chicks ask at least $100. Only time I have seen a foreigner in Las Cucardas where the price is $25 was when the US Navy was in town.

[Jockey16]

Hi Folks,

For those fans of the famous "Calle de las Pizzas" (Pizza Alley), some sad or troubling news:

https://streetsoflima.com/rip-calle-...-xddjxvE7a0rXU

Later.

[Jockey16]

Hi World,

Thank you for sharing interesting experiences, however in this case I have a question.

The number of ISG folks visiting Lima is very low so, how can paying above, what you feel is the right cost, or your budget can take, impact or:

". It hurts the locals and us that don't have lots of money".

It has always been and will be "Demand and supply" so in my opinion, regardless what ISG folks pay for their pleasure I am afraid it will not impact what other will have to pay.

Unless I am missing something.

Later.

For you newbies and oldies, it is a good idea to find out how much a person makes in the country you want to visit.

A lot of countries do not tip. Because they do not have the extra money.

So, here is Peru's monthly wages:

http://www.newperuvian.com/current-m...ars-and-soles/

So, do not overpay.

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[Jockey16]

Hi Yuri,

Thank you for the kind words.

It looks like you had a great time in Lima.

Although you may get some criticism for your comments and your actions, you can proudly say: "I did it my way" !

In my case, you got "Sweet and submissive" because that is exactly what you asked for.

You have tried and experienced all that Lima has to offer my friend.

You picked up SWs and at "Sabor Peruano". You went to the "casa" and had that kind of experience, you dinned and danced and even had someone sing to you at karaoke, met "Next door" type girls and finally went to the "Trocadero" and made arrangements with some girls to see them outside for a extended period getting GFE, which is extremely unusual given that these "Chicas" do up to 20 20-min sessions a day and have a mechanical and cold attitude and finally you had you "18 yo" fantasy.

You may read in the forum that because of some extra dollars, many have lost an opportunity or have lowered their expectations and have settled for less and still can feel satisfied. You on the other hand have gone to Lima and have looked and got what you wanted, so kudos to you.

Rest assure that most ISG folks would love to have your kind of experience so, if you had the money, the question is, was the entire, perhaps, unforgettable experience worth the money?

Return soon my friend. You have made some friends in Lima.

Later.

Time for the report in Lima. This year I spent one week enjoying Lima in many ways. In order to understand where I am coming from one needs to know: 1) I do not speak ANY Spanish, 2) Value GFE and beauty (how I perceive it: young, thin, no tattoos) more than the service, 3) enjoy treating ladies well (feeding, dancing, etc.) and learn about their lives.

Summary: If I can move back in time and get myself an advice: I would suggest to do every day the same: befriend a taxi driver who would bring me to Trocadero bordello EVERY night to 8 PM (not 7, not 9!) sample the talent (less than $10 USD per girl), agree with next day date for 6 hours: 12-6 for $100 USD + tips and enjoy every day (Bed, Lunch, Bed, dancing / museum / walking on the beach, etc, Final Bed)!

Report I. What surprised me in the order of importance:

A) The forum. NEVER was I used direct help from the forum members to the extent of physically meetings with me, organizing my meetings with girls, teaching me Spanish, driving around, calling / talking for me (remember I do not speak Spanish! Etc. This is unbelievable group of people going out of the way of what can be expected. Thank you, without you, I would never obtain the experience I did. FrankfurtThank you, if not for your report and help, I would never ended up in this wonderful place. I visited casa aka massage parlor twice (and learned that you like bigger girls than me) and gym every other day! For $4 USD instead of $40 USD anywhere in Miraflores.

SexyGirls taught me Spanish before I came. She called girls from different local ad sites to find 18 yo (my fantasy) who would be willing to show their IDs to verify that they are indeed 18 yo of age. SexyGirls called more than 20 numbers before we found some. I had 2 18 yo girls in that trip and it was so COOL! If any of you want to have your personal secretary for very little pay I highly recommend! PM SexyGirls directly, she is warm and understanding lady (she is also available for a date and friend introduction)!

Jack-Jericho shared his wonderful thin 25 year old Introduced me to Rustica in Calle Risso 147 at Lince which became my favorite: restaurant 1st floor (never been), discotheque 2nd floor where I danced with 1 girl, and Karaoke in the third floor where Miss K introduced by J16 sang to me (I almost came right there LOL!) ask him for recommendation and meet. And in the end of my term JJ drove me to Trocadero where I was first shocked around 7 PM that there were no doable ladies, and then at 8 PM how many beautiful thin girls were at many doors!

Last, but not least Jockey16 introduced me to "average next door" girls who are not pros, shy, but nevertheless, provided as much GFE as I could take. I met with 2 out of 4, but J16 took great care to replace and substitute and put plans in order to be executable. Please contact him if "innocently looking" and submissive is your cup of tea!

B) Every girl was predictably late 30 minutes, like clockwork which makes planning easy. Exactly the same justification: traffic. Fool me once -- shame on you, fool me twice -- shame on me. In the last days, I utilized that very easy to adjust and plan feature to my advantage.

C) Hotel oriented girls from web sites require to make a picture of the keys proving that they are staying in that hotel, and only then they would come. That lead me to never use them.

D) Reliable usage of credit cards. I was cheated in one place (will describe in the part 2), but all other times, I had not had problems.

E) Uber is more expensive than Taxis. And Taxis do not have a meter. That requires constant direct negotiation where ever you go on a taxi. So when with a girl, we took taxis and she made unbelievable bargains; when on my own Uber!

[World Travel 69]

I should have posted a new post in the Information Thread.

Wise advice! But why did you quote my writing (I do not mind, just I think implies a wrong reasoning)? Because I also short on money, just burn them once per year.

1. Tips for sexual services are customary in Peru. Local people today tip the girls (probably boys too, but have no idea).

2. I did not overpay. Really. Just read my reports. Expensive girls ($100-200 USD) All came from this ISG members introductions and I paid according to what was asked / agreed of me. If not JJ & J16 must comment. "Not so expensive girls" were paid according to local customs; maybe except my Ecuadorian $90 USD+tip, but even this was for 3 hours. Casa's prices (BTW, after you went to the second floor it is the door on the right) were for my dear locals: S\30 m:100\60 m:150\120 m:250 -- so S\250 for 2 hours -- I had 3 hours -- so the only "overpayment" can be considered the tip of $10 USD.

Could have I paid half of the price for half of the time? Probably, but I enjoy my time with girls, not just fucking time.

[Yuri B]

So, do not overpay.
It hurts the locals and us that don't have lots of money.

Wise advice! But why did you quote my writing (I do not mind, just I think implies a wrong reasoning)? Because I also short on money, just burn them once per year.

1. Tips for sexual services are customary in Peru. Local people today tip the girls (probably boys too, but have no idea).

2. I did not overpay. Really. Just read my reports. Expensive girls ($100-200 USD) All came from this ISG members introductions and I paid according to what was asked / agreed of me. If not JJ & J16 must comment. "Not so expensive girls" were paid according to local customs; maybe except my Ecuadorian $90 USD+tip, but even this was for 3 hours. Casa's prices (BTW, after you went to the second floor it is the door on the right) were for my dear locals: S\30 m:100\60 m:150\120 m:250 -- so S\250 for 2 hours -- I had 3 hours -- so the only "overpayment" can be considered the tip of $10 USD.

Could have I paid half of the price for half of the time? Probably, but I enjoy my time with girls, not just fucking time.

[Mr Enternational]

For you newbies and oldies, it is a good idea to find out how much a person makes in the country you want to visit.

A lot of countries do not tip. Because they do not have the extra money.

My girlfriend went apeshit last night because she lost (she swears somebody stole) 50 soles ($15). It is nothing to us, but to them it is a lot of money.

Another chick that I have been messing with a while I gave $100 to for her birthday to buy some new clothes. She went shopping and showed me all the shit she bought. I remember I used to go to Polvos Azules and buy those Polo shirts for $8. $150 could buy a person damn near 20 knockoff Polo shirts.

[World Travel 69]

For you newbies and oldies, it is a good idea to find out how much a person makes in the country you want to visit.

A lot of countries do not tip. Because they do not have the extra money.

So, here is Peru's monthly wages:

http://www.newperuvian.com/current-m...ars-and-soles/

So, do not overpay.

It hurts the locals and us that don't have lots of money.

I struggled with this too. I think the problem is not logical, but cultural. When for the first time I went to Japan tips were rarely expectable: no matter if this was a privately owned restaurant or a multi-chain. The same was true in hotels: they help you to bring your luggage, but when I gave them 300, they looked at it and at me with confusion. In US, tips are part of the culture. Even the minimum wage law is suspended for the service workers. Because they suppose to get "additional income" in the form as Tips.

Then there is a second point. How much of the compensation for service you would like to define as a consumer vs. As a vendor. In other words, what would be the better outcome for punishment "to get cross off your list" or to get no tip and provide the second chance? The price is determined before the service, no matter if you are high paid worker or low paid worker, would not you work harder if there is some open end to it? I am talking immediate ramification not a possibility of the further employment. But as I said, for me it is cultural: I like to see gratification in girls' eyes -- for me it worth extra 10%.

[Jack Jericho]

I will finally be arriving in Lima today. And, after much research, I'm very interested in checking out Las Cucardas. However, I had a couple questions for the Lima veterans.

I'm an American, and it's obvious. Tall and fair-skinned, without a lick of Spanish beyond the usual niceties. Given Las Cucardas' reputation over the years, is it a safe venue for a gringo like myself?

Lastly, I would like to learn more about their no-phone policy. I can understand not wanting phones inside. But, what are your options in case you bring your phone? Do they have lockers available where you can safely store your phone and other items? Do they simply 'hold' onto them, and you simply hope they'll be safe?

Having no real knowledge of Lima, I will be relying on my phone greatly for Uber, directions, and information.

As always, any insights would be greatly appreciated.

I visited El Botecito and El Trocadero with YuriB last week. I hadn't been there in ten years, I'm more into higher-priced lower-mileage girls, so I was curious. The place was not as sordid as I remembered and, providing elementary precautions, not really unsafe. Las Cucardas, being a more upscale place and located in a more centric location should be more than safe enough. The way I see it, the club is absolutely safe (huge security gorillas all around), getting there in a taxi is absolutely safe, getting there in public transportation should be safe enough. The, I wouldn't say more unsafe but more adventurous part of the journey, would be coming back from there. My advice, don't take the taxis waiting outside of the club, have your taxi wait for you or have the club's security personnel to get a 'safe' taxi for you. If you choose to use the public transportation (micro bus running from Plaza Union to Las Cucardas and back), just watch for pocket-pickers or grab-and-run petty thieves.

Regarding cellular phones: As I stated before, brothels are not my thing so I haven't been at Las Cucardas in a couple years but, asking fellow mongers who do frequent Las Cucardas, they confirm that cameras, cellular phones or even fancy pens (for fear of pen spy cams), are not allowed. What I've been advised to do is to leave wristwatch, fancy pens, cameras and phones in my car at the parking lot (not an option for a gringo arriving in a taxi). They do not have lockers; they will just take custody of your phone-and-stuff and give you a piece of paper with a number on it. Not the safest thing in the world. There's been complains of foul use of the phones (using them to make calls or to navigate in the internet or just to browse your messages, pics, etc.). How true the complains are? Who knows.

J. J.

[Yuri B]

Apparently I must correct the record with Discoteca Sabor Peruano Vip. I have a receipt for $69 USD, which I was going to dispute with my card. But. The record on my card shows $29 USD. If you take $29 USD and subtract S\20, it would turn out that I was charged the correct amount. Still, I had to notice this, complain, etc. Not a good thing, but not as bad as I thought to be a plain robbery.

[NycPov]

I will finally be arriving in Lima today. And, after much research, I'm very interested in checking out Las Cucardas. However, I had a couple questions for the Lima veterans.

I'm an American, and it's obvious. Tall and fair-skinned, without a lick of Spanish beyond the usual niceties. Given Las Cucardas' reputation over the years, is it a safe venue for a gringo like myself?

Lastly, I would like to learn more about their no-phone policy. I can understand not wanting phones inside. But, what are your options in case you bring your phone? Do they have lockers available where you can safely store your phone and other items? Do they simply 'hold' onto them, and you simply hope they'll be safe?

Having no real knowledge of Lima, I will be relying on my phone greatly for Uber, directions, and information.

As always, any insights would be greatly appreciated.

[Jack Jericho]

I happen to agree in that tipping is a cultural thing. Also that in the case of freelancer who charges any given amount for a given service, there should be no tip.

However, Americans introduced tipping in the P 4 P business here as part of the price, so some girls and some places are charging "Something+Tip" for their services now. When a tip is agreed before the service it becomes part of the price. For the girl it means that the final amount she will receives depends on the degree of satisfaction of the client.

I prefer the old ways myself. I'd rather have a fixed price and my degree of satisfaction to reflected in the return business.

[Mr Enternational]

What I am having trouble understanding is when dealing with a high price freelancer why is there a need for a tip? The girl it seems charges around $150 to $ 200. Us. We are not talking about low paid restaurant severs. When I pay these high prices I expect close to GFE service.

The most I have ever paid for a hooker was $75. And that was actually 2 hookers together at 4 x4 in Rio. If I was shelling out $150 to $200 then all stops better be pulled out. She better be cooking dinner, staying overnight, sucking toes, licking ass, and cooking breakfast. I used to talk to a teacher in Lima that made 500 soles ($150) for the whole damn month. That is the type of shit that runs through my mind when quoting these expensive fees in a third world country. Peru ain't England. Hell, one of those chicks in the window in Amsterdam told me 80 euro ($91).

I don't mind being called a cheap charlie. To me buying pussy is not that big of a deal to where I would pay a lot of money for it. Durable goods or a nice meal maybe. But I look at buying pussy like going to the convenience store for potato chips and soft drink. I have been through at least 2000 chicks (pros and nonpros). Definitely would not have those kind of numbers paying $150 for it. I would still be in the single digits!

P. S. A tip in Japan is considered an insult. You are the customer. Should she not be the one that is supposed to be seeing gratification in your eyes? I don't care about the gratification in a McDonald's worker's eyes when they hand me my burger. I am there to get what I paid for. But I guess it could be one's thing to see a hooker happy with them.

[Yuri B]

I have been at this for a long time. When I go to a casa I understand the girls only get a portion of the fee. I gladly gave a decent tip if the performance is OK.

What I am having trouble understanding is when dealing with a high price freelancer why is there a need for a tip? The girl it seems charges around $150 to $ 200. Us. We are not talking about low paid restaurant severs. When I pay these high prices I expect close to GFE service. If I get that then the girl gets a return visit. If the service is not that good she gets crossed off my list. So what I'm saying is the return business is her tip.

I struggled with this too. I think the problem is not logical, but cultural. When for the first time I went to Japan tips were rarely expectable: no matter if this was a privately owned restaurant or a multi-chain. The same was true in hotels: they help you to bring your luggage, but when I gave them 300, they looked at it and at me with confusion. In US, tips are part of the culture. Even the minimum wage law is suspended for the service workers. Because they suppose to get "additional income" in the form as Tips.

Then there is a second point. How much of the compensation for service you would like to define as a consumer vs. As a vendor. In other words, what would be the better outcome for punishment "to get cross off your list" or to get no tip and provide the second chance? The price is determined before the service, no matter if you are high paid worker or low paid worker, would not you work harder if there is some open end to it? I am talking immediate ramification not a possibility of the further employment. But as I said, for me it is cultural: I like to see gratification in girls' eyes -- for me it worth extra 10%.