Seeking Arrangements

[Midwestern]

I am also surprised know one has issues with girls being completely wasted on drugs or alcohol. Most of the girls I dealt with either had a drug problem or issues with alcohol. It was real sad and I just can not stay up all nigh partying I have responsibilities.

I totally agree with you. There are many losers on SA. But this is why they are on SA. I had so many dates show up stoned, or didn't show up at all because they passed out from drinking. It was frustrating as hell. Some of the potheads that I met were super hot, and so I tried to make it work, but they always wanted to get high, so I eventually couldn't take it anymore. Same for the alcoholics. Always wanted to day drink, or drink to the point of passing out. Had to quit on them too eventually. I eventually just filtered out anyone that mentioned light smoker or smoker.

[Mongerer88]

Great posts, guys.

I just want to say thanks.

I have been seeing and repeating with about 9 independent escorts in the USA For the past several years, and I have long been bewildered by the countless comments on ISG over the years about the worthlessness of commercial sex in the USA.

All the providers I see in the USA are as hot and perform the same services as ladies I see outside the USA In fact, I find many of the services I want to actually be more easily available in the USA Than in some foreign locations, particularly some parts of Central and South America.

The only difference is that the USA Sex workers are significantly more expensive than their foreign sisters. That is of course a big deal to a lot of people, but I still like the comparisons to be of looks and services, letting everyone decide on price based on their own budget decisions.

USA Law enforcement has never focused on Sugar Babies or independent escorts that do screening.

[Pessimist]

I think focusing on negative experiences on SA misses the point. It is internet. In particular, it is a free subscription for anyone listed as girl seeking guy. Pretty much anyone can join with a fake email as girl seeking a guy. Swipe a few pics of pretty young blondes from somewhere and you are in business. I would not be shocked if a good percent of girls seeking guys were in fact a bunch of guys trying to fo a couple of easily duped poor slobs and relieve them of a few hundred. It does appear at least a few guys send money to girls they had never seen or met through Venmo. As the saying goes, a fool and his money are easily parted.

I said before but in my estimation only a fraction of girls, perhaps 20%, that are genuine, look their age and like their pics and not looking to cheat, not looking for platonic nor online only and will have sex for a fair price. Perhaps even less than 20%.

Focusing on "girls" quoting excess amounts is a waste of time and emotion. They are dime a dozen per day. Such girls don't even register in my mind. You should forget them immediately and block any negative emotion and move on.

Up to the time you actually meet the girl in person and spent some amount of time getting to know, it is purely a transaction. It is a transaction even after that but at least you can say to yourself "OK I like this girl". Till then, think you are talking to Siri or some artificial bot.

[Steve 9696]

You are so correct, I had some 6-7's, tell me that they deserved $8000-10 a month, completely delusional. The problem is there is many guys that never meet with the girls, they communicate strictly on-line, and can pretend to be anyone they want to be. The other issues is many guys can hang financially for a couple of weeks or months, they start throwing money around like candy. They worry about the ramifications when the funds run dry.

I am also surprised know one has issues with girls being completely wasted on drugs or alcohol. Most of the girls I dealt with either had a drug problem or issues with alcohol. It was real sad and I just can not stay up all nigh partying I have responsibilities.

Some are delusional but I kick them to the curb. Case in point today. Nice Brazilian in Miami — super quick to "what are you looking for". She wanted $800 and wouldn't budge. Sao she had a lot of rent and bills. I wished her every success with someone else!

Haven't had any problems with drugs or drink. All solid girls who drink and enjoy it but no sloppy drunks or druggies. All good.

[Steve 9696]

I've used SB in San Francisco but never in LA or Hollywood. Was wondering how much the going rate was in those places?

I only have a couple datapoints. Both were straight to room kind of engagements. With just an hour or two notice. One was a 5-6 I'the say, (my 8 bailed last minute). She was $300 and two spectacular BBBJ with CIM swallow. Second was super cute 7-8. $400 but went CBJ and only allowed one shot. Still a pretty great time. Very cute. Banging body.

[Pessimist]

I've used SB in San Francisco but never in LA or Hollywood. Was wondering how much the going rate was in those places?

I paid $300 on a few occasions when I was in the area for business. Last time was 1.5 years ago.

[Sebastiane]

I've used SB in San Francisco but never in LA or Hollywood. Was wondering how much the going rate was in those places?

[Elvis 2008]

Majority of the SA girls are delusional prostitutes who have convinced themselves they are better than prostitutes, they also want validation, for some of them.

That is definitely true for the USA and for Mexico but for South America, I have found that is not the case.

[Big Boss Man]

I found one for $250 and but then cancelled because she would not give any secondary verification. She would not even send a current selfie. What is the minimum that guys require to even meet someone?

[SeekingHead]

This is why I avoid SA in USA. LE can be crazy at times and you never know whom you're meeting.

I'm in the Atlanta area, what I do if I have any suspicion of a girl being LE, is to do the meet in greet in one county & then the actual date in another. I highly doubt LE is running a multi county task force targeting SD's. It would take way too many resources, most policing int he US regarding drugs & prostitution is done for news stories so the political masters of LE can show how tough on crime they are. Now there are drug investigations but these are done by task forces who are targeting major drug players. I just don't see task forces focusing on SD's.

[DramaFree11]

Majority of the SA girls are delusional prostitutes who have convinced themselves they are better than prostitutes, they also want validation, for some of them, it is important that they are spending time with someone of the perceived higher status is even more important as the money. Talk to them, make them feel good and tell them about future possibilities you can introduce them to the finer things in life they will fall for it.

The problem with that is it requires more time and that can be exhausting, sometimes it is better to deal with the honest prostitute and get it over with.

You are so correct, I had some 6-7's, tell me that they deserved $8000-10 a month, completely delusional. The problem is there is many guys that never meet with the girls, they communicate strictly on-line, and can pretend to be anyone they want to be. The other issues is many guys can hang financially for a couple of weeks or months, they start throwing money around like candy. They worry about the ramifications when the funds run dry.

I am also surprised know one has issues with girls being completely wasted on drugs or alcohol. Most of the girls I dealt with either had a drug problem or issues with alcohol. It was real sad and I just can not stay up all nigh partying I have responsibilities.

[AddisDude]

I am not smooth at this point. I don't have my patter down. I usually tell the prostitutes exactly what I want up front in Europe and South America. If they don't want to do it, I can move on to the next one. I don't think the more casual SA women think of themselves as prostitutes. I want to move things forward so I don't waste time but I think I am moving too fast and wasting time anyway because I am losing them. I also close to 70 so I am usually out of their profile range. Even the ones that are willing date older usually say 60 in their profile but they will usually respond to me. My pool might be smaller than a guy who is fifty. It might be worth it too spend the $400 and get my rocks off and slow down. I was in Spain when the everything closed so it has been two months of porn.

Majority of the SA girls are delusional prostitutes who have convinced themselves they are better than prostitutes, they also want validation, for some of them, it is important that they are spending time with someone of the perceived higher status is even more important as the money. Talk to them, make them feel good and tell them about future possibilities you can introduce them to the finer things in life they will fall for it.

The problem with that is it requires more time and that can be exhausting, sometimes it is better to deal with the honest prostitute and get it over with.

[Pessimist]

This is why I avoid SA in USA. LE can be crazy at times and you never know whom you're meeting.

Haha, but you have written up your experiences in US on SA, right?

If you live in US, you don't have many choices. SA is good, because arrangement is a legally gray area. It is a one to one situation, you can gradually build up to sex and not necessarily in the first meet, and in that sense it is OK situation arguably. If you meet a girl a few times, exchange gifts, and have sex, well none of that is illegal. It is more of a problem if you negotiate a transaction of money for sex, and no other relationship. The idea is to include as much of other stuff as possible so that it does not appear to be a transaction only.

[SfoCowboy]

This is why I avoid SA in USA. LE can be crazy at times and you never know whom you're meeting.

Generally, I agree with most of what you said. I most definitely agree with the need to avoiding any mention of sex in messages, even indirectly or tangentially. I ask the girl what her allowance expectation is, and any sensible girl will realize that they don't get paid $200 or more for a meet unless sex is involved. I ask them what are they open to. The girls get the hint and tell me if they are "open to anything" or they want to be strictly platonic. In any case, this will get clarified during the face to face meet, and I never meet the girl for the first time at a hotel room for sex until we have had some in person chat / intro. When I am on the road in a different city, sometimes I have to violate this rule and it does make me somewhat uneasy tbh.

I used to mention ppm in my earlier years, but I have now cut out usage of ppm in my texts or SA messages. For one, it does suggest exchange of sex for money, even if I don't mention the word sex. Instead I say "weekly allowance" and later in clarify that meeting once a week. Of course it can imply we will meet every single week, but I will dispel that notion either during the meet and greet or in some other message.

My concern is not only about SA peering into my messages but also entrapment and if any LE is tracking my messages. I have not heard of any such incidents but pays to appear as harmless as possible.

[Pessimist]

There are definitely pros on SA. But the non pros which I like better you cannot treat like a pro. Never discuss sex for money. Nor any specific sex act. Establish a rapport and then see if they want to meet up. I usually then say here is how I see our date going. And describe a nice dinner or drinks and say because we like each other we'the want some private time. They generally say that sounds good. I then ask if they had a particular gift in mind. And then you are negotiating the price of the total date having never said the words sex or money. The final $$ should NOT be done on SA In my opinion. Always by text.

The word PPM. Pay per meet. Is commonly used and if you can tell a girl is a pro or semi-pro you can discuss PPM without offending. I again do this offline. SA ostensibly discourages PPM even tho that is mostly what is going on.

And BTW $700 is too high anywhere in the US IMO but $500 is not out of the question in a top tier city with a top tier girl.

Generally, I agree with most of what you said. I most definitely agree with the need to avoiding any mention of sex in messages, even indirectly or tangentially. I ask the girl what her allowance expectation is, and any sensible girl will realize that they don't get paid $200 or more for a meet unless sex is involved. I ask them what are they open to. The girls get the hint and tell me if they are "open to anything" or they want to be strictly platonic. In any case, this will get clarified during the face to face meet, and I never meet the girl for the first time at a hotel room for sex until we have had some in person chat / intro. When I am on the road in a different city, sometimes I have to violate this rule and it does make me somewhat uneasy tbh.

I used to mention ppm in my earlier years, but I have now cut out usage of ppm in my texts or SA messages. For one, it does suggest exchange of sex for money, even if I don't mention the word sex. Instead I say "weekly allowance" and later in clarify that meeting once a week. Of course it can imply we will meet every single week, but I will dispel that notion either during the meet and greet or in some other message.

My concern is not only about SA peering into my messages but also entrapment and if any LE is tracking my messages. I have not heard of any such incidents but pays to appear as harmless as possible.