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10-10-20 21:08 #1018
Posts: 2734Baby Fails that Make Me Happy
So I have two SBs that were technically fails never met up and had sex but are really satisfying.
The first one I met very early in my journey. We never met up and in fact I think I recall her saying she couldn't get down with someone my age. Ouch! But we became penpal friends. We've petered out now mostly but we used to chat about boyfriends and SBs, how she orgasms best and so much more (never used a vibrator. Wtf?). I helped her with her resume. I helped her with her med school essay. It's just been a nice friendly friendship between this old dude and a hot young chick in need of guidance. Have enjoyed it.
The second one is even more interesting. Found out early she just wanted to cam not meetup. In fact she was a lesbian or so she thought. So we got to chatting nightly. She would tell me about the guy she walks on no sex. For $200. Well one night she ended up (unrelated to SA) with a guy she really crushed on back in HS and they ended up trying to have sex. They did mish and she said it hurt and they had to stop. She remained more convinced she is a lesbian. I explained to her she needed to start on top and control insertion and it would get easier. Long story short it worked and they got it on repeatedly. Eventually they broke up but she knew she was bi not a lesbian. She got a new boyfriend and they've been living together for months. She's soooo happy. We almost never talk anymore now that she has her man. But I get true happiness knowing I set her on a different path.
So two fails = Two successes. I'm really thankful SA connects humans who wouldn't connect IRL. It's pretty cool. Of course sex is even better. LOL.
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10-10-20 15:57 #1017
Posts: 164Guidelines.
Originally Posted by Pessimist [View Original Post]
I've been in London for a month and sometimes weeks at a time and having those 2 SBs that you can go to really have shaped my experiences, and perception. I respectfully disagree that 4 days (in the case of Denver, etc) isn't sufficient. I have used Seeking in places where I have spent a month, weeks, and just a few days. Concerning SBs and SA, there is nothing I learned in week 4 of my stay that I didn't' already know in day 3. Of course you will know the city better, but IMHO, you don't need much time to properly judge the SB environment in a city, mainly because the girls will be different, but will usually fit within a certain range. Trading messages and chatting with tons of SBs on SA will paint a decent picture of what to expect in terms of expenditure, availability, etc. Going out and where to go. That's an experience thing that comes along with increased familiarity with a city.
It looks like you are finding nice SBs for approx 200 in EU. That hasn't been my luck so far. I've been hanging around the 300 eu mark. Just my experience.
In the end, we are all getting out, banging chicks, having experiences adn sharing here. Let's keep the info flowing (even if experiences have been contrary to each other). Stay safe.
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10-09-20 15:48 #1016
Posts: 1385Originally Posted by Midwestern [View Original Post]
What people assume about the preferences of other guys is their problem. What I find funny around here is that some people do a few sessions in a few cities and assume them are the prices everywhere and for every girl, and in every circumstance. It is a big world, there are millions of members on SA and other sugar dating sites. To assume all arrangements have the same pricing parameters is as dumb as assuming all dinners all over the world cost the same, all clothes, all (whatever good / service) cost the same. One would hope that guys who have been smart enough to accumulate some money to afford these arrangements have more sense than making such absurd assumptions.
We are talking about a service between two specific individuals. Nothing about them is standard. The guy's and girl's looks, behavior, other personal attributes, where they live, what they need and can afford, girl's urgency for money, what they do in the time spent together, etc etc. To assume there is one standard pricing for any of this, or even that the price cannot change with good discussion and negotiation is just foolish in my view.
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10-09-20 15:14 #1015
Posts: 2041Originally Posted by Midwestern [View Original Post]
[Deleted by Admin]. I wish them all luck in getting what they want.
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10-09-20 07:53 #1014
Posts: 1202Black girls
Originally Posted by DramaFree11 [View Original Post]
So, when we quote prices, I think we are assuming everyone is going after non-black girls.
BTW, please don't infer anything racist about my post. I am just stating a fact based on the experience of my buddy, that's all.
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10-09-20 05:00 #1013
Posts: 1385Originally Posted by DramaFree11 [View Original Post]
As for price, it is very clearly a location dependent issue, which I must have said in every single post I made in this particular thread. 300 might do it for you but might not in SF. I was in that city earlier this year and one girl said "250? I take that much for 2 hours of dinner, plus I need an upfront gift".
Look, the rent for a one bdrm in Bay Area could run 2 grand, may be 1500 in OK parts of NJ or Queens to commute to NYC, and in Kansas City could get away with less than a thou. It is not sensible to expect sugarbabe price will be the same everywhere. My rule of thumb is 4 meets a month should equate to a month rent on a one bdrm apartment in a decent neighborhood.
Also, my own equation changes if I am on the road or in my home city. On the road, my hotel is always a business expense. And I am pressed for time, so I can go a bit more. At home, if I like the girl I may keep seeing her for many months. It is much better to set a lower base for first time. If I do 300 for first meet, I will need to keep paying that much every time. And keep in mind, with a given girl you only negotiate once. If I have 4,5 semi regular girls I am set for a while. The deal is set, price is set, no need to waste time in negotiations. If you are looking for a new face every meet, then yes you have a lot of work to do.
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10-09-20 03:48 #1012
Posts: 2816Originally Posted by Pessimist [View Original Post]
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10-09-20 02:51 #1011
Posts: 1385Originally Posted by LshRoomer [View Original Post]
In general, you will never know any city / market as you know your home city. Unless you are one of those consultant types and are on the road 5 days a week, 48 weeks a year in which case you don't really have a home city. But I do have a stable home city, and I will always know the current market conditions and how they relate to the past and what is a god price, who is cheating, and many other things in my home city than anywhere else.
W. are. T. EU, I used SA in Spain multiple times, in Munich and Hamburg in Germany and a couple of other places. As I was saying to Jack above, Lisbon appears quite nice for SA. I found a lot of pretty girls and per his initial discussions so far he is saying prices are 150 to 200 which is quite cheap (for 2 hours. As you know, these days even FKK girls are upping their price to 150 an hour, plus door entry of another 80 or 90).
One thing, I am not sure if SA is the best site in each country. BFsie (not sure if he reads this thread) is a long time sugarbabe user and he is in Germany. Not sure which site he uses to find sugar babes. Different sites may be strong in different countries. SA is an American site and is the best for American cities but it doesn't have to be the best in all countries. For me SA works because I already have subscription, and if I'm visiting another city I can quickly check out the girls list and send a few Hello messages ahead of my visit to make some deals. If they work, they work. If they don't, I haven't lost anything because anyway I am in those cities for business reasons.
I can't disclose what's my home city as I am married and already saying too many things here. I will say though, we are rounding here right? For example 240 is rounded to 200 and 260 is rounded to 300. I don't negotiate in hundreds, my negotiations can even be 220,240 etc. Hey, I am a cheap bastard and it is my money. And I did have quite a few 200's sessions. Again, as I told Jack from NL above, in your home city, you can be patient and take time and negotiate. There are tons of girls, what is the hurry? I can also tell you that there is always no correlation between looks and price. Some really pretty, 22 year olds gave me super good sex for 220 or 240 and some slightly older, less pretty ones did not budge below 280 or 300. It all depends, every case is different.
In my experience, this sugar babe market is highly local. Within my city, some areas are richer and some not so. And if you drive an hour in each direction, the addressable area is obviously much larger. Within that radius, some are quite low end while in other directions the adjoining towns are well off. I find quite a bit of difference in the attitude of girls, prices they are willing to accept depending on where they live. One more thing. A 20 year old girl who is not supported by her family, has no family, living on her own, has to make rent every month, worse yet has a child, is a lot more amenable and pliable. Take another 21 year old, a junior studying business at the local university. Perhaps mom and dad pay her tuition, she has education, job prospects, swag. This one is looking for money for spending expenses, a fancy phone etc but also may not put out for sex immediately or has exaggerated sense of self worth. She indeed may be worth a lot of money to some other guy but for me, a pretty female body is a pretty body and I could not care any less if she has college education, can make a good convo etc. So, my point, you got to read the profile she wrote for herself, what she says, how she expresses, and also get a sense of her situation through text messages. A single mother of 20, or a girl living on her own and with no family support and doing a receptionist job, waitress Job, and has FWB in her seeking section and says "ready for any arrangement" well you know she will have sex, and probably not too hard in negotiation. The same "ready for anything" from a college girl might not even mean she will have sex, because in her mind "anything" means she is OK with a music concert vs outdoor fun outing, but sex may still be off limits. So, net net, this is a market in which one has to spend a lot of time and do a lot of home work and be patient. If I am prepared to spend 500 for every sex session, no patience is needed, I can pick anyone I want. But for good deals, you need to stay patient.
In general, the coastal areas are high priced in the US as can be expected. Well, Charleston is perhaps cheap, may be a Virginia Beach is cheap but I am talking about Boston, NYC, SF, Seattle, etc. Chicago is a megapolis but is clearly cheaper than Boston, but a good sight when it comes to sugarbabes. Under 300 is absolutely doable in Chicago, Milwaukee and in between. Miami is expensive but if you head to Ft Laud, there are quite a few places which are not so expensive. Not Palm Beach, but some other areas near Hollywood etc. Tampa is really good as I said. Obviously I did not try out every city, and NYC and SF were absolutely the worst. Borderline ugly MILFs were asking 800. I stopped even looking for sugarbabes when I travel to those cities. Canada is pretty nice but not enough personal data points for me in Canada.
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10-09-20 02:14 #1010
Posts: 1385Originally Posted by JackOfNone [View Original Post]
When time is short, and in your case given that you paid up a subscription just for these 5 days, I would build some margin for error.
The last thing you want is to head back home with only one or two sessions in 5 days in which case you will feel a bit cheated.
Try to reach out to more girls. I don't know how your past experiences have been on sugarbabe sites but my experience is that rate of success is a low percentage in most places in the world. Especially as you put it in your current discussions they only agreed to have sex "if the chemistry is right". That is hardly a promise. Heck, most girls would think in their minds they will get intimate with a guy even for free if the chemistry is right, the guy is attractive yadda yadda.
I don't know how many sex sessions you plan to have. At least 5 sessions in 5 days is a reasonable minimum amount, unless you are too old. So, I would reach out to a minimum of 20 girls who seem attractive enough. Have fun, this back and forth with girls is actually enjoyable. Actually if you send "Hi I am Jack" message to 20 girls and you have sex with 5 of them, that is 25% success rate which is actually quite good in my view. Depending on response rate, reach out to more (or less, if too many respond back).
Also, build margin for error even in meet scheduling. What do I mean by that? Say, you have two girls reasonably interested. Instead of scheduling one for dinner tonight and one tomorrow night, ask one to meet for drinks around 6 PM and tell the other dinner is possible at 8:30 PM the same night. My experience is that a new girl can always flake out. Until you are sitting across from her, assume she may not show up. So, say the 6 Pm girl does show up and you like her and quickly agree on sex and price and everything. Then discreetly send a text to the 8:30 PM girl that sorry, something came up, you can't meet tonight but you will meet her tomorrow. As long as you give her na hour notice, she is unlikely to be pissed too much.
You need to do this because your time is precious and have only 5 days. If you lived in Lisbon permanently you don't need to do this, and I admit it looks a bit shady and selfish but hey, these girls do flake out on you just as easily. You need to watch out for yourself.
I never did sugarbabes in Lisbon but I have experience in Madrid and Barcelona. I agree Lisbon sounds cheap but I am not surprised as Portugal is not a rich country. If I made the money I make in US and somehow could live in Lisbon, I would be having too much fun and sex.
Good luck.
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10-09-20 02:13 #1009
Posts: 1202Originally Posted by WyattEarp [View Original Post]
For me, the challenge was finding a girl that I liked that was willing to meet me for a drink. When I was active on SA, I would look at pages and pages of profiles, send out maybe a half dozen messages and see if I can get a nibble from any of them. Once I got a nibble, I would say "let's meet for a drink. " There were occasions where they might want to chat me up a little, and I did chat a bit, but I would eventually return to "let's talk about all this over a drink. " If they were game, then we would then set a time and day, but many times the date does not materialize.
But when I finally did get someone to meet for a drink, then we could see if there was genuine chemistry. If there wasn't, then I just cut bait. But if there was great chemistry, then we either had a great time and fucked that night, or we just had a great time and we fucked the next date. Agreeing to an arrangement with girls that I had chemistry with was always easy and quick. We both know what we want in an arrangement. I know what I am wiling to pay and she knows what she is willing to accept. So, convergence occurs quickly.
So, no long seduction. The long part is just finding someone you like to agree to meet you for a drink. But I'm a sample size of 1, so you should take my take with a grain of salt, of course.
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10-08-20 23:10 #1008
Posts: 83Premium membership
Originally Posted by Steve9696 [View Original Post]
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10-08-20 23:06 #1007
Posts: 83Lisbon
Originally Posted by Pessimist [View Original Post]
Lisbon is a bit cheaper in this regard compared to The Netherlands, where I have had most of my SA experience. Netherlands is mostly 200 for a couple of hours, and 300 for a whole night. Depends on the girl also of course, I have had freebies once the girl and me liked each other, but normal prices are what I wrote.
Somebody was asking where to find girls for 200 per meet on SA. I think you have your best chance in the south in the big cities, Madrid, Barcelona, Lisbon. North will for sure be a bit expensive. You can pm me and I will help you for sure if I can.
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10-08-20 22:00 #1006
Posts: 164Persistence
Steve9696,
Awesome report man. Keep it coming. Personally, the situations that I find myself in with SA girls are part of the thrill that keeps me coming back. Each one is different and will make the night interesting in different ways.
Game is definitely part of the interaction. As you mentioned, they are not hookers that will fuck you the moment you meet because you are paying them. They do have the ASD (love that term!) and you have to break down those defenses. I start on this the moment we meet in person, with the "freedom talk" over drinks. Basically pointing out that you should be free with your thoughts, free with you emotions, don't be subjected, be free with your path in life, free with your sexuality, as it is right to explore, but only if the guy respects you and your freedom. LOL.
I know it sounds crazy, but most girls eat this up, because it comes across as a challenge. Who wants to think of themselves (or be thought of) as a prude or closed minded person, that enjoys restrictions, and spurns experimentation? I want them to be free with me, and I usually explicitly (with subtlety) let them know that there is no judgement from me for embracing your freedom. One girl even asked, "Do you think I'm a prostitute?" I gave her the freedom speech with a shot of good cognac and I was getting a BBBJ 30 minutes later. LOL. It works.
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10-08-20 21:57 #1005
Posts: 2734Rates
Originally Posted by Akibono [View Original Post]
Most large US cities 300-400 with 400 more common.
San Fran and NYC 500.
Second tier cities 300, with possible score at 200.
Girls will often throw out 800 or 1000 PPM. They are smoking crack. Just move on.
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10-08-20 21:31 #1004
Posts: 164Originally Posted by Pessimist [View Original Post]
In Europe, my experiences with SBs have been in Berlin, Prague, London, and warsaw. All of these cost me about 300-350 eu. I almost got baited and switched in Berlin for 500, but I shut it down before I pulled out the cash. I've had free in London, as she only wanted stuff (shoes, bags, hang out with me at nice restaurants). I find it difficult to use SA in Prague. I get plenty of initial replies, but they don't continue the correspondence. One SA girl I banged in Prague wasn't even Czech, she was Aussie. I'm still relatively new to the Sugar scene (about 2 years less this year due to being fucked by COVID). I usually use Seeking 2 weeks before I travel and this has been working pretty well.
You have to share where you are finding these 200 eu SBs!! I've never been able to agree on 200/ meet. I usually look for thin non smokers. Ethnicity and age don't matter to me as much, though I do favor euro white girls, then asians, then latinas. However, recently I have been searching for 20 and up. I banged two 18 year olds and I remember wanting a bit more life experience for the chatting, non-bedroom portion.
I'm with you that things in EU sound pretty bad right now and using Seeking would probably yield great results at this point. There are probably awesome sessions to be had for 200-300 eu with the current conditions. More places to conquer once this is all over.
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