Kyiv

[VinDici]

My friend,

Really nice post. Thanks for sharing. I will really appreciate if you can share the quarantine measures also. I mean what time is the off time for restaurants? Weekdays weekend? How is the situation for night clubs? What about strip clubs? Honestly I am planning a trip for freebies priorly and for my other days I wish to pop up that strip clubs. There were really nice ones. I had incredible memories with 20 s old strippers. 5-10 of them in a suburban neighbourhood and I was one of a few customers. A lot of attention. Very warm behaviours in private room. Cheap champagne and sushi. Life to live before pandemy. Anyway. I just have very good memories there. Regarding your trip 1000 grivna makes 35 USD even for me (A turkish man paid in invaluable TRY) it is an unbeliavably low price. This is definitely heaven. For an english man like you I can't dream off. Anyway nice to hear you enjoed.

Quarantine measures:

A face mask is recommended when you are indoors in public places, although the level of enforcement varies greatly.

Restaurants are closed for dine-in on weekends, Bars are totally closed on weekends.

During the week, restaurants and bars can stay open until 10 pm for dine in / on premises drinking.

There are speakeasies if you have contacts, yes I did find some, and no I have no clue how to describe how you would get to them. My advice would to contact a local guide and they will show you the way. These would be your best way in to "freebies" I would wager.

Strip clubs are for sure doing business and my local contact has good connections with them as well as a discount for the Harem strip club. Although if I am really honest, if you need a discount for entry to a strip club, you're maybe not going to be able to afford what's inside.

I did not go to any bars nor strip clubs in the end, preferring to go the easy route of booking an indie or salon girl.

[VinDici]

Hello,

I am a beginner here, could you explain to me what SA is?

SA is Seeking Arrangements. Think of it as a sugar daddy matching service, although in practice YMMV.

[Turmpeldor123]

Hello,

I am a beginner here, could you explain to me what SA is?

[Iceberg27]

It has been a much less eventful week than I had hoped for. I underestimated the difficulty of booking indies as opposed to just rocking up to apartments. I am very particular about the type of escort I engage, although not in the sense that many on this forum may suspect.



Now that I have some experience in Kyiv, I'd like to come back again. I'm sure I'll be able to make a more efficient trip the next time, and my Russian can only improve from here.

My friend,

Really nice post. Thanks for sharing. I will really appreciate if you can share the quarantine measures also. I mean what time is the off time for restaurants? Weekdays weekend? How is the situation for night clubs? What about strip clubs? Honestly I am planning a trip for freebies priorly and for my other days I wish to pop up that strip clubs. There were really nice ones. I had incredible memories with 20 s old strippers. 5-10 of them in a suburban neighbourhood and I was one of a few customers. A lot of attention. Very warm behaviours in private room. Cheap champagne and sushi. Life to live before pandemy. Anyway. I just have very good memories there. Regarding your trip 1000 grivna makes 35 USD even for me (A turkish man paid in invaluable TRY) it is an unbeliavably low price. This is definitely heaven. For an english man like you I can't dream off. Anyway nice to hear you enjoed.

[VinDici]

It has been a much less eventful week than I had hoped for. I underestimated the difficulty of booking indies as opposed to just rocking up to apartments. I am very particular about the type of escort I engage, although not in the sense that many on this forum may suspect.

My taste is for MILFs with curvy shapes, so bait and switch is not really as much of an issue for me, older and curvier is good for me. My main concern is hygiene, reliability and level of service. I have found that in Kiev hygiene is not an issue, each girl I have booked with always freshened up before the action, and did not have issues in general. Reliability has been good too, with outcalls arriving on time, and service has been as promised each time.

I have had one booking each day, although the goal was to have more, logistically it was a nightmare, hence only managing one.

For some idiot reason, the SIM I bought did not support SMS sending, I have no idea if I can receive. This meant that without Russian language skills, I could only contact girls with message services, as calling them was out of the question. I tried once and it was a disaster.

I have accounts on Telegram, WhatsApp and Viber.

Using these and Google Translate, I contacted as many indies from my hotlist as I could. Responses were varied, some blocked straight away, others read but did not reply, some replied and revealed themselves as Salons, and others were amenable to a booking, sometimes however only incall was available no matter what incentive I offered.

I used 2 Salons / Apartments, both were great.

I always end up paying triple the quoted prices, as I require quite a few extras, OWO / BBBJ, 69 always costs extra for some reason and kissing. I'm not into pump and dump meets, although if I had been, the Salon option would have been cheap and readily available, as the price would always be 1000 UAH for an hour. However with all my extras I have been paying around 3000 UAH per meet, less (considerably less) for indies.

Given my service requirements the girls were nearly always bemused, I am a one shot guy, and they are used to guys trying to get 2 or 3 finishes in meetings, I communicated this upfront so we could go at a more relaxed pace, and after some initial hesitation, they got into the swing of things.

Late into the trip, I was supplied the contact information of a local guy who could help me make some bookings. After a couple of false starts, I managed to meet him, and he did make a call and successful booking on my behalf. I made a deal with him, that for each call / booking that he made on my behalf, that ended in either a confirmed booking, or a handoff, so that I could continue the discussion directly myself, he would be paid a commission. He was happy with the arrangement, as was I, and so far I have one booking to thank him for, although I will try for one more.

I did find some local speakeasys, but did not have the energy to hang out and try my luck with locals, preferring instead to try to pay for a sure thing. Perhaps when I return post COVID, this will be a better option, during the lockdown, it was a lot of effort to find these places, and no guarantee of the kind of clientele you might find there.

If someone wants the details for the Salons I used, send a pm, there were all shapes and ages on offer, so you will likely find what you are looking for. One tip I did get for outcall, was rather than agreeing extras upfront, book the outcall and negotiate the extras in the room, there might be more flexibility.

Now that I have some experience in Kyiv, I'd like to come back again. I'm sure I'll be able to make a more efficient trip the next time, and my Russian can only improve from here.

[Jojab007]

Went to Harem stip club, it's loaded with young beauties, may be around 30. Entrance was 500 uah, however you can sometimes get half price on slower days, try to let them approach you near the door inside arena.

Out of many apts I liked one on mechnykova st 6. You get thorough massage and good oral before sex. In my 2 times there, the girls worked and earned the amount, 1600 uah each time. The girl selection is moderate; you can find prettier girls elsewhere so its balance of beauty vs service / attitude.

I had mixed experience with mamba. I did find a student from mamba and had session with her twice, in fact she is the only girl I repeated ever. I also found an 25 year old Arabic girl who has a day job but she sometimes work to earn extra cash. Lot of hit and miss on mamba.

Comparatively SA girls are more expensive and high quality. I learnt from one girl that they have to pay 600 uah to get listed on SA. I took 3 separate girls out for dinner from SA. Only 1 I was able to lure back home.

Weekend Quarantine:

Kyiv has weekend quarantine, and daily after 8 pm. Meaning restaurants, bars, shops everything is supposed to be shut. Half or most strip clubs still work, using backdoors or quick entry thru front door. Dubai restaurant in arena also works but has 500 uah minimum per person spending requirement. There are few other restaurants still open during quarantine.

[Lucky Nuts]

Money can often turn maybe into yes. Try the following procedure. Ask the girl if she would like to meet you in person for drinks. Or, if you just met her in the street and it's harsh weather outside, ask if she wants to continue the conversation indoors. Then YOU choose the venue. Either nearest coffee shop, or typical mid-priced bar/restaurant with drinks for under 100uah, or fancy place like Avalon in center city of she's a recent arrival from some village and you want to show her how the oligarchs live. Wherever you go, tip decently, especially if you plan to return.

After talking a bit, if she seems like a good prospect, invite her to your apartment. Before she can accept/refuse the invitation, explain that you are an older foreigner and tourist, and as such, it would shameful for both of you (you = cheapskate, girl = naive fool) if she visited you and didn't get a nice gift afterwards, but of course you don't want to insult her by discussing the proposed gift unless she is interested. If she is interested, state clearly how much you will pay, what services you absolutely need, and then explain clearly that money will be counted out and placed on table when you emerge from bathroom (I assume you take your wallet into bathroom) and remain there until she leaves, and that she will not be forced to do anything she isn't comfortable with and can leave the apartment early if she wants, but in that case she doesn't get the gift.

Thanks Koz that's a very well thought out and well written guide to working the regular girl angle. But I was never great at dating and don't think I'd be good at that either. Guess I prefer to just go to an apartment, point at a girl and have my dick inside of her within a few minutes.

[Lucky Nuts]

That is correct and absolutely no need offend somebody like a fool. However, if you get the "look", follow up.

Well if it's correct that 99.9 percent are not interested in P4 P then rather than look for that one in a thousand or even one in one hundred I'll just continue doing a couple pro apartments girls each day I'm in Kyiv. And I'll keep my eyes open in case by chance I stumble into that rare one with that "look" in her eyes LOL. Or one with more groceries than she can handle herself.

[Riina]

May be you have to come to the basics: how to seduce a woman, 99.9% of the girls are not prostitutes so money will not work.

That is correct and absolutely no need offend somebody like a fool. However, if you get the "look", follow up.

[Kozerog]

May be you have to come to the basics: how to seduce a woman, 99.9% of the girls are not prostitutes so money will not work.

Money can often turn maybe into yes. Try the following procedure. Ask the girl if she would like to meet you in person for drinks. Or, if you just met her in the street and it's harsh weather outside, ask if she wants to continue the conversation indoors. Then YOU choose the venue. Either nearest coffee shop, or typical mid-priced bar/restaurant with drinks for under 100uah, or fancy place like Avalon in center city of she's a recent arrival from some village and you want to show her how the oligarchs live. Wherever you go, tip decently, especially if you plan to return.

After talking a bit, if she seems like a good prospect, invite her to your apartment. Before she can accept/refuse the invitation, explain that you are an older foreigner and tourist, and as such, it would shameful for both of you (you = cheapskate, girl = naive fool) if she visited you and didn't get a nice gift afterwards, but of course you don't want to insult her by discussing the proposed gift unless she is interested. If she is interested, state clearly how much you will pay, what services you absolutely need, and then explain clearly that money will be counted out and placed on table when you emerge from bathroom (I assume you take your wallet into bathroom) and remain there until she leaves, and that she will not be forced to do anything she isn't comfortable with and can leave the apartment early if she wants, but in that case she doesn't get the gift.

Each guy has to figure out his own way of stating the above expectations and procedures, based on how much bluntness the girl can take. To avoid problems, avoid ambiguity. That is, explain everything very clearly upfront so the girl has no excuse for not understanding.

I'm leaving out a lot of steps. Maybe you need several dates before inviting to your apartment. Maybe you don't want to discuss cash amounts amd services and not define "gift" or conditions under which gift will be given. My thinking is that, assuming the girl is interested in you without money, adding 2000 UAH sweetens the deal and makes her very careful about shit-testing you, wasting your time, etc.

I went the opposite way, and converted an escort to a sugar baby. I took a two week break from her recently, without explaining why, after accidentally on purpose letting her glance at a Viber message with smiley from my pretty young Russian instructor. Now that we are back together, certain disagreeable attitude I noticed in her previously has completely disappeared. Maybe she missed my golden dick or my super seduction skills during that two week break. Or maybe it was the 5000 uah I give her each visit.

[Pajsph]

Anyone know if the clubs like darling Rio etc are open? Always enjoy killing a few hours during my visits. Thank you!

[ExpatLover]

May be you have to come to the basics: how to seduce a woman, 99.9% of the girls are not prostitutes so money will not work.

[Kater100]

Cool if you have the game and balls to persuade normal girls into P4 P. Although I can do this in Cuba I would not be confident enough to do so in Kyiv expecting to be shot down or insulting to a young lady. Maybe I just don't understand the scene well enough yet. Please share any tips or ideas how to work this angle. I remember Yummy helped a gal carry her groceries and sacked her that same night. I saw so many hotties in Kyiv that I wished I knew how to ask if they wanted to make some easy money.

You should definitely not do that! Here we talk about normal flirting. Nothing more. You can find tips for this at so-called "pick-up artists" on the Internet. It is important that you do this more often. There is no guarantee that it works for everyone.

At some point you will develop a feeling if she do P4 P or not. Also, she will address the topic by herself. Don't worry Besides there is still the chance that you won't have to pay for it. .

[YummyPL]

I remember Yummy helped a gal carry her groceries and sacked her that same night.

She certainly wasn't a particular prize, but it was fun practicing. My short game is rather weak, but if I can get them on the hook enough to spend a few hours with me, I am very good at getting what I want from a girl.

Mamba is filled with scammers and other bad shit, but it is working for me. Time and effort. But I am living in the city alone with nothing better to do than work on the hunt. I enjoy spending time finding the gem, but most people don't have time to spend a couple of hours a day on hunting. I mostly don't have the interest in what apartment girls have to offer.

[Lucky Nuts]

You can also Google adverts. There are tons of whatsapp numbers, going to same bunch of apt addresses. I prefer semi or non professional. Few gems to be found on mamba or SA but requires work.

Yeah I think we all prefer semi or non pros. Just hard to find them. SA is a LOT of work in Kyiv. I haven't tried Mamba how's that going compared to SA?

Hi Lucky Nuts,

I'm Kiev for a few more days, could you please share via any numbers of interest. I have purchased a subscription.

PM sent.

You are probably right. The top few girls get the vast majority of the attention. It is like a law of nature.

However, the point remains. The top girls, the ones you want, have likely already seen a few customers that day. If you pick the ugliest one, you might be her first customer all week. In any case, the bed has already been used several times that day. I just prefer secretaries, nurses, cashiers and retail girls, bank tellers who work independently, get all the money themselves, and agree to meet at my place.

Cool if you have the game and balls to persuade normal girls into P4 P. Although I can do this in Cuba I would not be confident enough to do so in Kyiv expecting to be shot down or insulting to a young lady. Maybe I just don't understand the scene well enough yet. Please share any tips or ideas how to work this angle. I remember Yummy helped a gal carry her groceries and sacked her that same night. I saw so many hotties in Kyiv that I wished I knew how to ask if they wanted to make some easy money.