Sao Paulo Reports

[John Gault]

I don't mind the consumo fees so much, but I do find the room charges to be annoying and overly expensive. I wish it was more like the FKKs in Germany. You pay one basic fee to enter the club, and then except for alcoholic beverages, the only thing else you will pay for is sex with a girl. And that's it. At Golden Time even the beer was free!

Also, you read a little bit too much into my question. Maybe it was the way I wrote it. Respecting the girl is right, but my focus was more about what constitutes a fair and even transaction for both parties under the circumstances. I understand that fluctuations in exchange rates would hurt more abroad than at home when your currency weakens. Some of these tutes are obviously exercising a "world view" LOL!

And then, there are those times when a country will devalue its own currency for some reason. I have a buddy married to a Brazilian girl. Her father lost all of his savings when the Brazilian government devalued the real. He worked hard and recovered years later. Only to lose the value of all of his savings when the Brazilians devalued their currency again!

Almost all country's do the same thing. They print money like there is no tomorrow. The only way to keep your head above water is to have some gold or maybe a bitcoin or two.

[D Cups]

Busty enough for you? Her name is Suzuki, she's from Manaus, but she's in Sao Paulo for the week.

Thanks K wish I was there.

[WyattEarp]

BachelorMang,

You have some good places to start. You're going to have to some legwork because I don't know that anyone has the experience of hosting twenty people. Lush has an on-line chat line. It seems their biggest pool suites are about 800 square feet. That's tight for twenty. Perhaps you can book two suites. There is also the Swing Motel in Morumbi a little bit south. As the name suggests, they host swingers on occasion. Most Love motels are just rooms with beds where people do their business and leave. Lush and Swing have more elaborate set-ups.

A hotel suite where you also all stay might be the simplest. When the guys want to have sex with a girl at the party, they can go to their room and come back to the party.

Someone mentioned your budget. If money is no object I would walk into Scandallo and ask the hottest girls to go back with you then and now. That's a lot easier than trying to call and organize that many girls at a later time.

If you have a lot of guys saying they will go down to Sao Paulo, start getting them to firm up their commitment by booking flights. From experience, if we had a dozen guys interested in traveling with us maybe six or seven actually came. Work commitments, girlfriends, inertia etc. Get in the way. This will save you a lot of effort trying to plan a party that doesn't require the type of scale you are talking about.

[Member #4732]

I don't mind the consumo fees so much, but I do find the room charges to be annoying and overly expensive. I wish it was more like the FKKs in Germany. You pay one basic fee to enter the club, and then except for alcoholic beverages, the only thing else you will pay for is sex with a girl. And that's it. At Golden Time even the beer was free!

Also, you read a little bit too much into my question. Maybe it was the way I wrote it. Respecting the girl is right, but my focus was more about what constitutes a fair and even transaction for both parties under the circumstances. I understand that fluctuations in exchange rates would hurt more abroad than at home when your currency weakens. Some of these tutes are obviously exercising a "world view" LOL!

And then, there are those times when a country will devalue its own currency for some reason. I have a buddy married to a Brazilian girl. Her father lost all of his savings when the Brazilian government devalued the real. He worked hard and recovered years later. Only to lose the value of all of his savings when the Brazilians devalued their currency again!

I am all for fair value. You called me a "master negotiator", I don't know if that was ironic or not. I do not consider myself a good negotiator. I hate negotiating as I am a pushover if it comes to negotiating. I try to avoid negotiating by simply stating my "fair" limit and walking away rather than negotiate because I feel that once negotiation starts in a kind of bidding war then chemistry declines. The only thing I have that works to my advantage is the prospect of regular repeats, so the ladies are likely to accept less per visit given the potential for more visits. I am by no means a bargain hunter, I do strive for what I consider to be a fair value for both parties.

[The Cane]

Furthermore, the locals are not going to give you a discount the next time the dollar is weak, just because your purchasing power is down. I've seen Brazil at usdbrl as low as 1. 8. The prices are set for and by local market. The monthly minimum salary is 1000 reais. The real disruptor in the market is Scandalo management, they are charging outrageous entrance fees to both gos and clients and absurd room fee. A lot of guys refuse to session in Scandalo because the total is just outrageous.

I don't mind the consumo fees so much, but I do find the room charges to be annoying and overly expensive. I wish it was more like the FKKs in Germany. You pay one basic fee to enter the club, and then except for alcoholic beverages, the only thing else you will pay for is sex with a girl. And that's it. At Golden Time even the beer was free!

Also, you read a little bit too much into my question. Maybe it was the way I wrote it. Respecting the girl is right, but my focus was more about what constitutes a fair and even transaction for both parties under the circumstances. I understand that fluctuations in exchange rates would hurt more abroad than at home when your currency weakens. Some of these tutes are obviously exercising a "world view" LOL!

And then, there are those times when a country will devalue its own currency for some reason. I have a buddy married to a Brazilian girl. Her father lost all of his savings when the Brazilian government devalued the real. He worked hard and recovered years later. Only to lose the value of all of his savings when the Brazilians devalued their currency again!

[Sperto]

I don't know if they allow 20 people in one suite though.

I know nothing about motels in São Paulo, but in Rio there are (or at least were) motels with suites that would easily have space enough for 20 people. I doubt there would be any problem with allowing that many people, just pay enough. However, with the covid situation they might not. Gathering 20 people in a suite, exchanging body fluids, during a pandemic seems very unwise.

[WyattEarp]

I respect your desire to treat the ladies with respect, as that is my approach as well. There are only guidelines not rules, so do what feels correct to you. However, I will say that you should not think of the currency fluctuations as being symmetrical. For example, the usdbrl is currently 5:1 but the purchasing power of the locals has not declined proportionally within Brazil, it has declined if they travel outside of Brazil. Hence Brazilian vacations to Disney World are more expensive for them but purchasing food and other domestic Brazilian products and services are not more expensive than when the USDBLR was 3:1. I mean, yes, there has been inflation in Brazil but it is not correlated to the degree that the dollar and euro have strengthened. Imports are disproportionally affected, domestic product and services less so, and Brazil has a huge domestic economy.

This is true. Affluent Brazilians are the ones who are impacted the most by the exchange rate. They travel abroad and buy imported luxury items. They are also the Brazilians who hold foreign assets. They can cope somewhat with the lower BRL.

[DiverOyster]

Ya I'm definitely open to compensating someone for their help. Really the hardest part is sourcing a rental that won't kick us out for our nefarious deeds. From the past experience of people here I've pretty much figured out how to find girls but thank you all for your responses. They are all greatly appreciated.

Wyatt could you recommend some motels that might be able to accommodate 20 people? Girls included.

The most upscale love motel I know of is Lush Motel near Scandallo. Their biggest suite is big with an ensuite pool. Their decor is very intimate and erotic. I don't know if they allow 20 people in one suite though.

I'm down for an orgy party. I will be in SP from around Christmas until the New Year's Day weekend. If we can organize one, I would love to join in the fun. I am not cost sensitive. I can bring my own girl(s).

[Member #4732]

I respect your desire to treat the ladies with respect, as that is my approach as well. There are only guidelines not rules, so do what feels correct to you. However, I will say that you should not think of the currency fluctuations as being symmetrical. For example, the usdbrl is currently 5:1 but the purchasing power of the locals has not declined proportionally within Brazil, it has declined if they travel outside of Brazil. Hence Brazilian vacations to Disney World are more expensive for them but purchasing food and other domestic Brazilian products and services are not more expensive than when the USDBLR was 3:1. I mean, yes, there has been inflation in Brazil but it is not correlated to the degree that the dollar and euro have strengthened. Imports are disproportionally affected, domestic product and services less so, and Brazil has a huge domestic economy.

Furthermore, the locals are not going to give you a discount the next time the dollar is weak, just because your purchasing power is down. I've seen Brazil at usdbrl as low as 1. 8. The prices are set for and by local market. The monthly minimum salary is 1000 reais. The real disruptor in the market is Scandalo management, they are charging outrageous entrance fees to both gos and clients and absurd room fee. A lot of guys refuse to session in Scandalo because the total is just outrageous.

[Nuupter]

Ya I'm definitely open to compensating someone for their help. Really the hardest part is sourcing a rental that won't kick us out for our nefarious deeds. From the past experience of people here I've pretty much figured out how to find girls but thank you all for your responses. They are all greatly appreciated.

Wyatt could you recommend some motels that might be able to accommodate 20 people? Girls included.

Try Hotel Unique, they have all suites. If you can afford them. Should fit 20 people without trouble.

[Member #4732]

And with lots of good advice. But I want to take a deeper dive on point number 2. I agree that you shouldn't just agree to pay a certain sum because the exchange rate is favorable, with the price being so much lower than it would be back home. But let's take it a little further. Suppose the exchange rate is 3 to 1, and you meet a hottie at Scandallo. Whatever type you like, but in your mind she's hot. OK, so she starts out asking for 800 reals for an hour. No way you're paying that. You politely try to talk her down, and she comes down to 600 reals and won't budge. You want that, and you want that bad! So you pay it.

OK, so the next time you come back, you see the same hottie. You want her. You want her again, and you want her bad! Only, this time the exchange rate isn't 3 to 1. No it's 5 to 1! So now what does she do? Well these girls aren't stupid. They know how to count too! So now this time, she starts out asking for 1,000 reals! In a situation like this, what does the master negotiator Rovnak do? I mean from the standpoint of the girl, this has nothing to do with the monger's purchasing power back home, and all about her purchasing power in Brazil. Her currency is weaker, so she needs more to make up for that. Do you say hell no I'm not paying 1,000! We agreed on 600 last time (and just ignore her plight). Or, do you accept that it would be justified to pay more, not simply because the exchange rate is in your favor, making it so cheap compared to home, but because fairness dictates she gets more because her buying power has been greatly reduced?.

I respect your desire to treat the ladies with respect, as that is my approach as well. There are only guidelines not rules, so do what feels correct to you. However, I will say that you should not think of the currency fluctuations as being symmetrical. For example, the usdbrl is currently 5:1 but the purchasing power of the locals has not declined proportionally within Brazil, it has declined if they travel outside of Brazil. Hence Brazilian vacations to Disney World are more expensive for them but purchasing food and other domestic Brazilian products and services are not more expensive than when the USDBLR was 3:1. I mean, yes, there has been inflation in Brazil but it is not correlated to the degree that the dollar and euro have strengthened. Imports are disproportionally affected, domestic product and services less so, and Brazil has a huge domestic economy.

[Member #4732]

Is it relatively safe to walk from Congonhas airport to Abobbora Clinic? My flight lands at 7:30 pm on a Friday night. No real luggage, just a backpack. Google says 24 minutes.

I once dropped off a friend at Congonhas and walked back because it was a nice day to walk but I would not recommend it to a non native. Just take an uber.

[Member #4732]

Ya I'm definitely open to compensating someone for their help. Really the hardest part is sourcing a rental that won't kick us out for our nefarious deeds. From the past experience of people here I've pretty much figured out how to find girls but thank you all for your responses. They are all greatly appreciated.

Wyatt could you recommend some motels that might be able to accommodate 20 people? Girls included.

One thing that comes to mind as an alternative is to make some kind of arrangement with 57 House (the newly opened replacement for Chanes 57) as they have the facilities, 8 bedrooms, bar, food and girls. They are opening their back room which provides a lot of extra party space. You could possibly try to arrange for extra girls to come in that night only (I. E. Freelancers that will attend the party for some fixed fee). It might be the best option particularly for someone coming in cold to SP. I could possible help arrange it.

[BachelorMang]

Too bad ABG is no longer with us. He would have been the perfect guide. Perhaps someone has a contact who is a good SP guide. What you pay them can save you much in hassle and in negotiations.

Ya I'm definitely open to compensating someone for their help. Really the hardest part is sourcing a rental that won't kick us out for our nefarious deeds. From the past experience of people here I've pretty much figured out how to find girls but thank you all for your responses. They are all greatly appreciated.

Wyatt could you recommend some motels that might be able to accommodate 20 people? Girls included.

[XXL]

Is it relatively safe to walk from Congonhas airport to Abobbora Clinic? My flight lands at 7:30 pm on a Friday night. No real luggage, just a backpack. Google says 24 minutes.

First, if Google says 25 minutes walking time add another 15 at least. Another thing is there a large thoroughfare to be crossed (avenida dos Bandeirantes). I know that avenida. I once walked from Enjoy Clinica to Abobbora (8 minutes on Google) which required crossing the avenida dos Bandeirantes. It was not nice. No pedestrian crossings, I had to wait at a spot where traffic eventually backed up due to red lights somewhere further down, then thread my way between half-moving vehicles to the no man's land separating both sets of lanes. Then repeat to finally reach the other shore. I swore never again and from then on I called an Uber to cover what looked on Google maps like a 8 minutes' stroll.

Of course you might be lucky and catch the avenida dos Bandeirantes so hopelessly backed up you can just walk through at your leisure but I advise to use one of the taxis ("taxi commun"). They have a meter and are only 20% more expensive than an Uber.

Sao Paulo is not a bad city to walk except precisely around such multi-lane roads.

In fact Enjoy clinic would be more within reach (rua Condessa do Pinhal 279). Some good girls there.