Sao Paulo Reports

[WyattEarp]

I respect your desire to treat the ladies with respect, as that is my approach as well. There are only guidelines not rules, so do what feels correct to you. However, I will say that you should not think of the currency fluctuations as being symmetrical. For example, the usdbrl is currently 5:1 but the purchasing power of the locals has not declined proportionally within Brazil, it has declined if they travel outside of Brazil. Hence Brazilian vacations to Disney World are more expensive for them but purchasing food and other domestic Brazilian products and services are not more expensive than when the USDBLR was 3:1. I mean, yes, there has been inflation in Brazil but it is not correlated to the degree that the dollar and euro have strengthened. Imports are disproportionally affected, domestic product and services less so, and Brazil has a huge domestic economy.

This is true. Affluent Brazilians are the ones who are impacted the most by the exchange rate. They travel abroad and buy imported luxury items. They are also the Brazilians who hold foreign assets. They can cope somewhat with the lower BRL.

[DiverOyster]

Ya I'm definitely open to compensating someone for their help. Really the hardest part is sourcing a rental that won't kick us out for our nefarious deeds. From the past experience of people here I've pretty much figured out how to find girls but thank you all for your responses. They are all greatly appreciated.

Wyatt could you recommend some motels that might be able to accommodate 20 people? Girls included.

The most upscale love motel I know of is Lush Motel near Scandallo. Their biggest suite is big with an ensuite pool. Their decor is very intimate and erotic. I don't know if they allow 20 people in one suite though.

I'm down for an orgy party. I will be in SP from around Christmas until the New Year's Day weekend. If we can organize one, I would love to join in the fun. I am not cost sensitive. I can bring my own girl(s).

[Member #4732]

I respect your desire to treat the ladies with respect, as that is my approach as well. There are only guidelines not rules, so do what feels correct to you. However, I will say that you should not think of the currency fluctuations as being symmetrical. For example, the usdbrl is currently 5:1 but the purchasing power of the locals has not declined proportionally within Brazil, it has declined if they travel outside of Brazil. Hence Brazilian vacations to Disney World are more expensive for them but purchasing food and other domestic Brazilian products and services are not more expensive than when the USDBLR was 3:1. I mean, yes, there has been inflation in Brazil but it is not correlated to the degree that the dollar and euro have strengthened. Imports are disproportionally affected, domestic product and services less so, and Brazil has a huge domestic economy.

Furthermore, the locals are not going to give you a discount the next time the dollar is weak, just because your purchasing power is down. I've seen Brazil at usdbrl as low as 1. 8. The prices are set for and by local market. The monthly minimum salary is 1000 reais. The real disruptor in the market is Scandalo management, they are charging outrageous entrance fees to both gos and clients and absurd room fee. A lot of guys refuse to session in Scandalo because the total is just outrageous.

[Nuupter]

Ya I'm definitely open to compensating someone for their help. Really the hardest part is sourcing a rental that won't kick us out for our nefarious deeds. From the past experience of people here I've pretty much figured out how to find girls but thank you all for your responses. They are all greatly appreciated.

Wyatt could you recommend some motels that might be able to accommodate 20 people? Girls included.

Try Hotel Unique, they have all suites. If you can afford them. Should fit 20 people without trouble.

[Member #4732]

And with lots of good advice. But I want to take a deeper dive on point number 2. I agree that you shouldn't just agree to pay a certain sum because the exchange rate is favorable, with the price being so much lower than it would be back home. But let's take it a little further. Suppose the exchange rate is 3 to 1, and you meet a hottie at Scandallo. Whatever type you like, but in your mind she's hot. OK, so she starts out asking for 800 reals for an hour. No way you're paying that. You politely try to talk her down, and she comes down to 600 reals and won't budge. You want that, and you want that bad! So you pay it.

OK, so the next time you come back, you see the same hottie. You want her. You want her again, and you want her bad! Only, this time the exchange rate isn't 3 to 1. No it's 5 to 1! So now what does she do? Well these girls aren't stupid. They know how to count too! So now this time, she starts out asking for 1,000 reals! In a situation like this, what does the master negotiator Rovnak do? I mean from the standpoint of the girl, this has nothing to do with the monger's purchasing power back home, and all about her purchasing power in Brazil. Her currency is weaker, so she needs more to make up for that. Do you say hell no I'm not paying 1,000! We agreed on 600 last time (and just ignore her plight). Or, do you accept that it would be justified to pay more, not simply because the exchange rate is in your favor, making it so cheap compared to home, but because fairness dictates she gets more because her buying power has been greatly reduced?.

I respect your desire to treat the ladies with respect, as that is my approach as well. There are only guidelines not rules, so do what feels correct to you. However, I will say that you should not think of the currency fluctuations as being symmetrical. For example, the usdbrl is currently 5:1 but the purchasing power of the locals has not declined proportionally within Brazil, it has declined if they travel outside of Brazil. Hence Brazilian vacations to Disney World are more expensive for them but purchasing food and other domestic Brazilian products and services are not more expensive than when the USDBLR was 3:1. I mean, yes, there has been inflation in Brazil but it is not correlated to the degree that the dollar and euro have strengthened. Imports are disproportionally affected, domestic product and services less so, and Brazil has a huge domestic economy.

[Member #4732]

Is it relatively safe to walk from Congonhas airport to Abobbora Clinic? My flight lands at 7:30 pm on a Friday night. No real luggage, just a backpack. Google says 24 minutes.

I once dropped off a friend at Congonhas and walked back because it was a nice day to walk but I would not recommend it to a non native. Just take an uber.

[Member #4732]

Ya I'm definitely open to compensating someone for their help. Really the hardest part is sourcing a rental that won't kick us out for our nefarious deeds. From the past experience of people here I've pretty much figured out how to find girls but thank you all for your responses. They are all greatly appreciated.

Wyatt could you recommend some motels that might be able to accommodate 20 people? Girls included.

One thing that comes to mind as an alternative is to make some kind of arrangement with 57 House (the newly opened replacement for Chanes 57) as they have the facilities, 8 bedrooms, bar, food and girls. They are opening their back room which provides a lot of extra party space. You could possibly try to arrange for extra girls to come in that night only (I. E. Freelancers that will attend the party for some fixed fee). It might be the best option particularly for someone coming in cold to SP. I could possible help arrange it.

[BachelorMang]

Too bad ABG is no longer with us. He would have been the perfect guide. Perhaps someone has a contact who is a good SP guide. What you pay them can save you much in hassle and in negotiations.

Ya I'm definitely open to compensating someone for their help. Really the hardest part is sourcing a rental that won't kick us out for our nefarious deeds. From the past experience of people here I've pretty much figured out how to find girls but thank you all for your responses. They are all greatly appreciated.

Wyatt could you recommend some motels that might be able to accommodate 20 people? Girls included.

[XXL]

Is it relatively safe to walk from Congonhas airport to Abobbora Clinic? My flight lands at 7:30 pm on a Friday night. No real luggage, just a backpack. Google says 24 minutes.

First, if Google says 25 minutes walking time add another 15 at least. Another thing is there a large thoroughfare to be crossed (avenida dos Bandeirantes). I know that avenida. I once walked from Enjoy Clinica to Abobbora (8 minutes on Google) which required crossing the avenida dos Bandeirantes. It was not nice. No pedestrian crossings, I had to wait at a spot where traffic eventually backed up due to red lights somewhere further down, then thread my way between half-moving vehicles to the no man's land separating both sets of lanes. Then repeat to finally reach the other shore. I swore never again and from then on I called an Uber to cover what looked on Google maps like a 8 minutes' stroll.

Of course you might be lucky and catch the avenida dos Bandeirantes so hopelessly backed up you can just walk through at your leisure but I advise to use one of the taxis ("taxi commun"). They have a meter and are only 20% more expensive than an Uber.

Sao Paulo is not a bad city to walk except precisely around such multi-lane roads.

In fact Enjoy clinic would be more within reach (rua Condessa do Pinhal 279). Some good girls there.

[The Cane]

2. A lot being written about favorable exchange rate. But in the interest of not souring the milk for locals and future visitors (which may be you), think twice before splashing cash just because its cheaper than "home". The girls are not expecting you to pay more because your home currency is strong. They want the most they can get but they are not going to hold up the exchange rate as a reason. If they do, run away as that is a true mercenary. Become familiar with the local prices and act accordingly. Moderation applies, no need to be a dick and haggle for the lowest price possible, nor preemptively pay too much just because you have the cash to flash.

And with lots of good advice. But I want to take a deeper dive on point number 2. I agree that you shouldn't just agree to pay a certain sum because the exchange rate is favorable, with the price being so much lower than it would be back home. But let's take it a little further. Suppose the exchange rate is 3 to 1, and you meet a hottie at Scandallo. Whatever type you like, but in your mind she's hot. OK, so she starts out asking for 800 reals for an hour. No way you're paying that. You politely try to talk her down, and she comes down to 600 reals and won't budge. You want that, and you want that bad! So you pay it.

OK, so the next time you come back, you see the same hottie. You want her. You want her again, and you want her bad! Only, this time the exchange rate isn't 3 to 1. No it's 5 to 1! So now what does she do? Well these girls aren't stupid. They know how to count too! So now this time, she starts out asking for 1,000 reals! In a situation like this, what does the master negotiator Rovnak do? I mean from the standpoint of the girl, this has nothing to do with the monger's purchasing power back home, and all about her purchasing power in Brazil. Her currency is weaker, so she needs more to make up for that. Do you say hell no I'm not paying 1,000! We agreed on 600 last time (and just ignore her plight). Or, do you accept that it would be justified to pay more, not simply because the exchange rate is in your favor, making it so cheap compared to home, but because fairness dictates she gets more because her buying power has been greatly reduced?

In other words, should one take the view that it's all about me the monger, and I'm going to get as much as I can for as little money as possible? Or, should the financial needs of the girl be taken into consideration as well? Please advise.

[WyattEarp]

Some friends and me are planning a bachelors party in SP and while I've read the forum I haven't found any concrete information on how to source a large group of girls preemptively.

I have experience with planning a Brazilian bachelor party. Securing a large group of girls preemptively could mean a lot of things. There is really no one-stop shopping where you call a reliable agency to send over the girls. You can call a bunch of SP freelancers to come over, but I would still rely on reviews and recommendations. There are plenty of hot SP escorts.

Your best bet would be to plan some nights at the boates (escort nightclubs) Scandallo, Connections, Casarao, Bomboa, etc. In the beginning of the trip. Really put in some effort asking the hot girls if they would be willing to come over for a "festa' on a given night. By the way, when a group of guys party with a group of working girls it's called a "festa" by the locals. These girls have heard and seen it all. You will probably need to learn some Portuguese and use a translation app. Get lots of phone numbers. Always invite more girls than optimal and count on some not showing up.

I'm not sure how a hotel will react to a bachelor party. If you all have hotel rooms in the same hotel, you can discreetly each bring a girl or two up and then meet in a suite. Perhaps you can find an enormous AirBnB apartment or a few in the same building. I would tip the building concierge and tell him upfront what you are planning. Love motels are great for festas. Some have giant fuck rooms with small pools. Hot tubs and stripper poles. They are a blast. I would just tell them in advance how many people will attend. It would be very difficult sneaking people into a Love motel. Book a giant sex room for as many hours as you want. Again, Love motels have seen it all. Haha.

Too bad ABG is no longer with us. He would have been the perfect guide. Perhaps someone has a contact who is a good SP guide. What you pay them can save you much in hassle and in negotiations.

[WyattEarp]

Ask all the questions you want and I will my best to answer them as best as I can.

I usually fly out on a Wednesday DFW-GRU. Most of my trips are for my work and for my company. I land in GRU Thurs morning, grab a connecting flight to SDU and then get started on work. Usually done by the evening, I spend the night in Copacabana and then head to GRU the next day.

Arrive by the afternoon, check in to the hotel and have the girl come over by 5/6 pm. That is all pre-arranged. Then the weekend begins and I leave Sunday evening back to GRU around 730/8 pm.

I find that I usually get bored of the girls by Sunday evening so the short weekends are perfect and I get what I need.

Yes, it's fairly easy to do a a couple days in Brazil especially if you can sleep on planes. If your flying a USA Carrier, you have to get to MIA, DFW, IAH or EWR. I think all the flights arrive in Sao Paulo in the early morning. Obviously, leaving Wednesday or Friday is far better than trying to leave Friday for a weekend jaunt.

[NMMooreland]

Is it relatively safe to walk from Congonhas airport to Abobbora Clinic? My flight lands at 7:30 pm on a Friday night. No real luggage, just a backpack. Google says 24 minutes.

[Nuupter]

Some friends and me are planning a bachelors party in SP and while I've read the forum I haven't found any concrete information on how to source a large group of girls preemptively.

Can someone who is a local or familiar with the scene help me out?

I'm waiting to buy a premium subscription as there are some members I'd like to reach out to through pm.

Willing to treat someone people to a night on the town for helpful pointers on how to find some babes to party with.

The first thing is budget, how much are you willing to spend? Go to clubs like Scandallo, Bomboa, Lotus etc, find a girl or girls you like, talk to them, gauge their attitude, ask if they have friends, tell them what you planning to do etc, if they got friends they will let you know, or find the girls you like talk to all of them or maybe spend a few hours with them see if you got chemistry, find a nice moteis they got big presidential suites that accept lots of people, with swimming pool jacuzzi sauna everything you want.

Or go to clinicas, talk with the girl, session with her, then ask her the same question as above.

Or use escort sites session with a girl, ask her if she has friends same steps as above, boom, you now got connection in club connection LOL.

[Member #4732]

There is a lot of discussion on these boards about prices. Everyone is entitled to an opinion of course. Here is mine.

1. Clinicas and fixed price venues eliminate the need for price anxiety. There is no "gringo tax". The prices are clearly stated and apply to all customers, locals and visitors. The only difference in pricing result from "forista" discounts that are available to posters on local forum, and "customer loyalty programs".

2. A lot being written about favorable exchange rate. But in the interest of not souring the milk for locals and future visitors (which may be you), think twice before splashing cash just because its cheaper than "home". The girls are not expecting you to pay more because your home currency is strong. They want the most they can get but they are not going to hold up the exchange rate as a reason. If they do, run away as that is a true mercenary. Become familiar with the local prices and act accordingly. Moderation applies, no need to be a dick and haggle for the lowest price possible, nor preemptively pay too much just because you have the cash fo flash.

3. Personally, I don't like to pay for more than 2 hours. All night or 2 hour payments are really paying for "company" not sex. I would rather have 2 sex filled hours and be done. I don't believe in paying for non sexual company. If the girl is willing to stay longer "a vontade" (at will) then great but I don't pay them to talk and eat and cuddle.

4. Price definitely does not equate to quality of looks nor service except in terms of the three tiers. Trash (100), mid tier (100-300), luxury ( 300). I find that the diamonds in the mid tier are the best, not just in terms of value but in terms of sex. I have had 2 disappointing experiences in 2020, both were cases where I took flyers on luxury chicks, one from Scandalo that I arranged an in home with and one from clubmodel. Both talked a big game and then were terrible in bed. I shouldn't say terrible, but just average sexually, but definitely not worth the premium. I had some others in the luxury space that were great but not necessarily better looking nor better sexually than my mid tier regulars.

5. Rating looks from 1-10 is a doomed discussion. Everyone has their own scale. I personally find the Brazilian blondes to be the least attractive, and least desirable Brazilians but others clearly have their own preferences, and good for that. If we all liked the same thing, men and women, there would be no variety. Luckily there is a bit of everything for everybody. And its not just the look but the overall vibe that does not come across in a photo. Case in point, my disappointing clubmodel luxury chick had great photos, talked well on whatsapp but when she arrived I immediately sensed an absence of the usual good vibe I have become accustomed too. Then there is is the sexual appetite variable. The disappointing scandalo in home had a great vibe, I liked her company but she was sexually very weak. She actually apologized and told me "I am used to very short sessions in the club". Some girls have it and some don't, and always YMMV based on the chemistry or absence between you and she.