Medellin Reports

[Surfer500]

Report from Jesus in Cali, watching the News.

In Medellin there are no beds in the hospitals, they are 98% full.

450 people are waiting for a beds.

Besides no beds in the Hospitals, it has been reported in the local news that "ethical triage" is currently occuring in Medellin, meaning Doctors are now making decisions based on who get's an ICU bed when they are full, which is something Hospitals all over the World have been trying to avoid.

Imagine being a Doctor having to decide who gets an ICU bed between a young person and an old person, knowing that most probably one will not survive.

This situation is exactly what everyone had hoped to avoid, hence the lockdowns and curfews to try to avoid it.

It's so sad what's going on.

[World Travel 69]

Report from Jesus in Cali, watching the News.

In Medellin there are no beds in the hospitals, they are 98% full.

450 people are waiting for a beds.

[Surfer500]

What would happen if people without VP get in as every one else are vaccinated?
I wrote this 3 months ago. Use common sense and logic, one can come to the same conclusion. Vaccine is not a force shield

The debate continues.

Yesterday France announced that it would be letting Americans into the Country who have been vaccinated with out having to quarantine. And Greece and other Countries will be following suit as well to open up for the Summer.

Vaccine Passports, or whatever you want to call them, are already here.

We can debate this left and right, and whether they work, but at the end of the day, if you want to travel easily, internationally, and be admitted places your going to have to eventually get vaccinated.

I have a friend who didn't like the idea of getting vaccinated, yet he likes to travel, and got vaccinated so that he could travel, but also thinks the vaccines are a joke but realizes the forthcoming impediment (s) without being vaccinated.

So everyone will have to decide whether or not to get vaccinated as not being vaccinated will hamper International travel. However, for those who are not going to get vaccinated, yet have "false proof" of being vaccinated. I personally find this to be deplorable as someone in this situation might unknowingly be ill, or become ill, and infect someone.

Maybe somebody will go to ground zero today and report on a very nasty encounter so we can move on!

[Nounce]

the vaccine passport in many countries will be a pass not only to travel, but also to attend mass events or other things. Highly democratic countries may pose additional tedious requirements to those who have not a green pass, without banning them.
I highly doubt I will be allowed to first enter, then do anything interesting in Singapore without such a pass, for example. And I do not expect Singaporean Authorities will care a damn f*ck if I complain because I feel discriminated LOL. Nobody will force ME to get a vaccine shot, but also nobody can force THEM to welcome me if I do not accept a vaccination.

What would happen if people without VP get in as every one else are vaccinated?

Regardless, I think your in the minority, in that eventually.

I wrote this 3 months ago. Use common sense and logic, one can come to the same conclusion. Vaccine is not a force shield

As I understand it, vaccine does not mean one will not get infected.

[Surfer500]

Incidentally, I note that any time I applied to enter USA I had to declare that I was not planning to do anything illegal, anything *immoral* (gosh! that was a problem), and I was not infected with syphilis or other infectious diseases.

God forbid if upon entering Colombia I had to declare the activities I would be partaking in!

And I can just imagine you declaring that you would be prowling the bowels of El Centro after midnight looking for providers to service you in the back seat of your car.

And here we are today hotly debating vaccines.

When will this all be over and we can get back to the fun times before the Pandemic when are only worries are getting the Clap.

[Black Page]

You assume that a vaccine passport will only be used for those that want to travel abroad. It could just as well be used to discriminate against citizens of your own country. (....)
Ask the Jews that were in the Holocaust, the Cambodians under the Polpot regime, or the apartheid era South Africans how this vaccine passport thing could go very left.

You are too intelligent to not recognize ex post the enormity of your reasoning.
1) Jews and Cambodians were not bearing an infectious disease.
2) The plan here is to prevent those who are not vaccinated to enter my country, not to mass kill them.

And yes, the vaccine passport in many countries will be a pass not only to travel, but also to attend mass events or other things. Highly democratic countries may pose additional tedious requirements to those who have not a green pass, without banning them.
I highly doubt I will be allowed to first enter, then do anything interesting in Singapore without such a pass, for example. And I do not expect Singaporean Authorities will care a damn f*ck if I complain because I feel discriminated LOL. Nobody will force ME to get a vaccine shot, but also nobody can force THEM to welcome me if I do not accept a vaccination.

Incidentally, I note that any time I applied to enter USA I had to declare that I was not planning to do anything illegal, anything *immoral* (gosh! that was a problem), and I was not infected with syphilis or other infectious diseases.

[Paulie97]

It takes a truly special type of mind to unironically compare people judging you for not getting the vaccine to the Holocaust. Bravo.

We can only hope that you are being facetious.

https://www.dictionary.com/e/memes/godwins-law/

P.S. Don't forget that he also got Polpot in there. Give him extra points for that. LOL.

[PolloNegro]

Amongst us, would you value his information, or would you still have arrogance bias against his research if it does not agree with your beliefs. Men are going to be men and with that said, let's stop beating a dead horse. You can either get the vaccination or not, wait and see what the ramifications are in the future, but for the love of mongering, let us not argue about vaccines and covid if there are no readily credentialed scientist amongst us! Pollo Negro is out!

[Rextor]

You assume that a vaccine passport will only be used for those that want to travel abroad. It could just as well be used to discriminate against citizens of your own country. So because I chose not to take the vaccine and get the passport I am looked down upon and can only go to grocery stores on Tuesdays between 3 and 4 pm. It could be used as a mark of the beast of sorts where when you do not have it the mundane things you used to do with relative ease have been made very difficult. Ask the Jews that were in the Holocaust, the Cambodians under the Polpot regime, or the apartheid era South Africans how this vaccine passport thing could go very left.

It takes a truly special type of mind to unironically compare people judging you for not getting the vaccine to the Holocaust. Bravo.

[Surfer500]

During the total lockdown periods (Fri-Sun morning / afternoon), it sounds like the girls can still come to us, but can we go out to them (in a taxi)? In other words, if we book a taxi, and go door to door, is that a risk?

TIA.

I don't think it's an issue of whom is going to see whom, but an issue if you get stopped by the Police and asked a bunch of questions.

However a Colombian would be better pressed to deal with the Police in route somewhere, versus a gringo in a taxi trying to explain why they are out during a lockdown unless it was for a legitimate reason.

So to answer your question, your better pressed not to be going out during a curfew unless you have a legitimate reason to do so, albeit I know all of the board members here would agree that going to bone a hooker during the curfew is a legitimate reason to be out.

[Surfer500]

Just because I am not getting the vaccine, does not mean I do not have a vaccine card! You forget that I am a highly educated streetwise dude. I stay ready so I will not have to get ready.

Of course, how stupid of me to assume you would ever get caught in a pickle!

[Nounce]

Well it's interesting that you think that the vaccine does not prevent you from getting COVID

It reduces serious illness and death so it reduces risk. Flu vaccine is similar

[MarquisdeSade1]

This is sad to hear of so many people within your family becoming ill, and you would think that especially those who partake in our "sport" (not you or I) would take getting vaccinated seriously, but there are members who won't which defies logic to me. Our sport exposes us to so many unknown people so I kind of view the Vaccine somewhat similar to a condom.

What I can tell you as to what I experienced being in Medellin in November 2020 prior to being vaccinated, versus in late February to early April of this year after being vaccinated was a whole different mindset for me.

In November I stayed off the Metro and away from people as much as possible and basically was a bit paranoid, especially when in El Centro about getting infected.

Upon returning in February after being vaccinated, I basically put COVID in the rear view mirror, not meaning that I wouldn't wear a mask or abide the rules, but more in the sense that I'm supposedly at least 90% protected with no underlying health conditions so the odds of getting sick and dying were very low. Hence I operated while in town exactly as before the Pandemic, riding the METRO, and banging away in El Centro besides other places.

I love vaccines and hate condoms jajajajajaja.

[MarquisdeSade1]

You assume that a vaccine passport will only be used for those that want to travel abroad. It could just as well be used to discriminate against citizens of your own country. So because I chose not to take the vaccine and get the passport I am looked down upon and can only go to grocery stores on Tuesdays between 3 and 4 pm. It could be used as a mark of the beast of sorts where when you do not have it the mundane things you used to do with relative ease have been made very difficult. Ask the Jews that were in the Holocaust, the Cambodians under the Polpot regime, or the apartheid era South Africans how this vaccine passport thing could go very left.

I'm pro vax I recd Moderna at the you of Chicago in Sept and anti vax passport.

Its never good to give govt more power over our lives, I don't even think I should need a fucking passport period.

[BigButtDetecto]

Anyone out there who believes it is going to be left up to individual choice as far as Enternational travel is concerned is kidding themselves and doesn't really understand the ramifications of moving around the world unfettered. You will have to show proof of vaccination or you won't be allowed entry to Colombia and just about every other country in the world, sooner than later, is my prediction, and that doesn't take a degree in epidemiology. I don't give a flying fuck about the politics or effectiveness of the vaccine. I happen to believe the risk of the vaccine harming you is much less than the risk of catching COVID and the harm that can do, which is small. Even though I don't need it, I am getting my second dose of vaccine in anticipation that proving vaccination status will soon be the new standard requirement for international travel.

Thanks Surfer and Osteoknot. You are speaking for the majority of us and I disagree with Mr Enternational about the vaccines and the covid passport.