Rio de Janeiro Reports

[Rio Bob]

The best terma in RJ is Perola Negra, precisely because it is on the beach. The talent in Perola Negra overlaps with 4 x 4, the girls go back and forth.

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Interesting, I'm sure the address of this club is 400 praia do Pepe? If so it used to be called Club 400 and I used to go there on weekends when it turned into a swing club called Henri Club which was very good at the time. In close to 20 years there may have been 4 posts about Club 400 and all were bad don't waste your time, good to see someone has turned it around.

Same goes for Barra, in close to 20 years maybe there have been 5 posts of guys staying there because they were on business and never once gave it a good thumbs up for mongering, glad to see you've turned this around.

[The Cane]

The last time I was in Perola Negra was with Mr E. We popped our heads in after having gone to VM, where we both sessioned. Mr. E used the Novo Canario hotel, thanks to good, useful information (in contrast to almost all the posts) from Sperto about the Novo Canario Hotel. VM is also the local of Mosaico, which again, IMHO, and based on 27 trips and a solid 14 months of being on the ground now, is a source of the best talent. You can session in Mosaico for 140. You can get a room at the Novo Canario for 50. To his credit, Mr. E has actually been here, repeatedly, and as Kipling said, "Or walk with Kingsnor lose the common touch.

I would also note that the veteran monger Mr. E chose to relocate from Barra to Copa in favor of a hotel that I also like and recommend. The Astoria Palace:

http://www.InternationalSexGuide.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=2562608

[Member #4698]

In your setup, she likes the one who speaks Porto.

Yes, without a doubt speaking the local lingo is a huge asset. Google translate is a remarkable innovation, but it is vastly inferior to being able to carry on a spontaneous conversation with a girl.

There are other little thought experiments we can play that come up with interesting results like:

A) imagine 2 American customers with similar looks, personalities, each able to speak Portuguese fluently, and each paying the same amount. Customer #1 can turn a girl on, and it takes him 45 minutes to reach orgasm. Customer #2 cums in under 3 minutes. Which customer do working girls prefer? It depends on the girl, but I imagine a lot of girls might prefer Customer #2. Does that surprise anyone?

B) imagine 2 American customers with similar looks, personalities, each able to speak Portuguese fluently, and each paying the same amount meet a girl for the first time in a Terma or bar. Customer #1 tells the girl he is an expat living and working in RJ. Customer #2 tells the girl he is a tourist who just arrived, and he is planning to spend 2 weeks in RJ. Which type of customer do working girls prefer. Again, the answer depends on the girl. Some girls will prefer the tourist because they think he will pay more. Some girls will prefer the expat because they see him as a possible long-term customer. It all depends.

So, what's my point? Well, nothing really except to say all kinds of people come to the P4P marketplace and no two people are the same. So, when 2 people come to a private arrangement it's between them and sometimes them and the bordello and it does not matter what anyone else thinks. Do what you like.

[WyattEarp]

My trip is coming up soon and I'll be getting my PCR test to get ready. Here's the list I've compiled so far. Please let me know if I'm missing any "must try" locations. I did post this in the SP forum, thought I'd post here, too. This list is in the context of most of my time being in SP and 4 nights in Rio.

Rio

Solarium.

Termas 65.

Dolce vita.

Mabs.

Terma 65 (whiskeria 65) - close to 4 x4...

With only four nights in Rio, I would cut down your termas list. I think most of us would advise against running around trying to hit all the major termas. Find a place where you like the vibe, the girls and enjoy yourself. I think 4 x 4 would be a great place to start. If you want to hit other Centro termas nearby, then fine you're in Centro. Solarium is good as well. Centaurus and Monte Carlo are more expensive, generally smaller and cater to tourists who don't want to bother leaving Copa and Ipanema. Save them for last if you need an easy, convenient session.

Perhaps checkout Vagabundo's recommended Perola Negra.

[Jazzy Daddy]

That's the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth!

In your setup, she likes the one who speaks Porto.

[Member #4729]

I think another reason is because it is an efficient operation so the girls can work more and make more money.

Ah Germans- nothing if not efficient.

[Xpartan]

And now since it is agreed that we are all customers, I would like to conduct a little thought experiment: Imagine a working girl, any working girl, has 2 repeat American customers with very similar good looks, affable personalities, and they are both decent in bed. Customer #1 pays the girl her absolute minimum and does her during her off hours. Customer #2 pays the girl her Barra Vip's asking price and does her in prime time. In addition, Customer #2 takes the girl out to restaurants and occasionally buys her gifts like expensive designer perfume. So, which customer do you think the girl likes better? If you think the girl likes Customer #1 better, you do not understand women.

In your setup, she likes the one who speaks Porto.

[Vagabundo1]

I've been to Scandallo. The girls are not better than Miruna. It's in the middle of a urban sprawl with no end in sight. The clinicas like Miruna and in Brooklin and Ceci are the good values in SP. But SP is not RJ. SP is a megacity of 20 m and it has no beach. Miruna has porn stars on a regular basis, like Kamila Werneck a few years ago, or another Cindy Blueberry. The centro prives also have porn stars regularly, like Marcella Shultz.

The best terma in RJ is Perola Negra, precisely because it is on the beach. The talent in Perola Negra overlaps with 4 x 4, the girls go back and forth.

The last time I was in Perola Negra was with Mr E. We popped our heads in after having gone to VM, where we both sessioned. Mr. E used the Novo Canario hotel, thanks to good, useful information (in contrast to almost all the posts) from Sperto about the Novo Canario Hotel. VM is also the local of Mosaico, which again, IMHO, and based on 27 trips and a solid 14 months of being on the ground now, is a source of the best talent. You can session in Mosaico for 140. You can get a room at the Novo Canario for 50. The darkside termas and the prives are the source of quality in RJ, as Player 2 and 3 found, and as I am sticking to.

The problem with most of the posters recently is: A) they haven't even been to Brazil; B) they have 2 posts; C) they are making jokes about the eulogy of a fellow board member, reposting pictures and insulting the pictures which would dissuade people from posting, and they are only posting based on years old information.

To his credit, Mr. E has actually been here, repeatedly, and as Kipling said, "Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch.

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[DiverOyster]

The inflation argument would be done with a basket of goods. If the basket of goods has only gone up 20%, why would prostitution have gone up a whopping 500%? The USA has nothing to do with what is going on in Brazil. The average Brazilian male is not paying 1000 reais per night for a chick that would be in Mabs as a Mabs chick would attempt to charge a foreigner. The average salary of workers in Brazil matters because Brazilian men with Brazilian salaries are who their primary customers are. These men are not paying 1 month's salary to be with a chick the way some foreigners are coming along and paying that.

It is like locals have been fishing peacefully at a pond forever using fishing poles. Most foreigners will go down to the pond and fish the same way the locals are. Then comes a foreigner that decides he wants to fish with dynamite. Then another. Then another. Soon the locals change ponds and any other foreigner that comes to the old pond will have to bring dynamite or he is leaving fishless.

We must differentiate the wealthy locals from the average locals. The wealthy locals dictate the pricing of the upmarket pussies. We tourists think we are self-important but we just don't have the volume to be the market makers.

Let's use Scandallo as our case study. When I go to Scandallo, I notice that the main clientele is the local guys, not the tourists. Portugese is the predominant language spoken among the male clients. I rarely hear any non-Portugese dialogues. Therefore, I believe the market makers are the wealthy locals, not the tourists. The tourists don't have enough volume to be the market makers. The Brazilian men who frequent Scandallo must be the socioeconomic elites of Sao Paulo. They must earn way above the average salary of their countrymen. The minimum amount to have a 1-hour fun at Scandallo is R200 entry + R500/ HR for the girl + R230/ HR for the room = R930. If a local guy makes it a habit to go to Scandallo a few times a week, he must earn a handsome income to support this habit. R930 is the rock-bottom cost for a fun night at Scandallo for the most frugal guys. If you do two or three sessions a night and eat / drink to your heart's content, the cost will be significantly higher. And there are enough well-heeled locals to keep the Scandallo girls well-fed, at the minimum rate of R500/ HR.

[Brasil Nut]

If you're the average tourist who stays in Copa, you owe it to yourself to take an uber to Olegario maciel 135.

This is Raval.

It is a bar which has hookah.

Across the street are several bars, including bar do adao, which is famous for a certain kind of crepe.

Next to bar do adao, is a little bar on an open air design. Here is where the best barravipsrio girls stay all night, smoking little has&h cigarettes with their dates or friends. It is as close to a upscale VM as you will find. It is an upscale Mabs. It is better than Mabs because it is really the hottest, best, prettiest women in Rio, as good or better than Leblon, which is the other real upscale girl area -- the little street with Boteca Belmonte.

IMHO, Copa is shit, merda, trash for tourists. If you want to swim in shit water from your toilet, the toilet which is 500 years of guanabara bay, then go to copa and swim. You won't die, but you will come out with a thin or a thick layer of shit depending on whether it is warmer or colder. If you want to swim in clear Atlantic ocean salt water which is healthy, then go to Olegario Maciel 135, and swim there. The water is superb, the scenery is the best in Rio in terms of the bunda. Down the street at Av Pepe 400 is the "yellow house" as the locals call it, IE, Perola Negra, the boate / terma which has the same talent as 4 x4, literally the same girls, I can quote for you two or more of the exact same girls.

Olegario Maciel is the uber local the Miami beach of Rio.

I feel like I have become the advocate for Barra, but in fact it was Safado 69 who first mentioned Transamerica, I only followed.

So there is my modest proposal. Save this address: Olegario maciel 135. The closest love motel is Motel Dunas. Look it up on the guiademoteis site. Transamerica is at Av Gastao Senges 395.

Paris Cafe is good too, it is down Av Americas at about Posto 9 or 10, but it is just a honky tonk bar in the middle of a big ass freeway..

This is an all around solid post. The "she will go home and fuck a motoboy" made me literally laugh out loud. That's some real shit and it's things like that that made me stop giving a shit what these silly little girls think about me or much of anything else really. You can easily drive yourself crazy trying to understand a GDP and her thought process. I'm a player by nature so I've played the games from every angle and have to say the ROI just isn't there. I refuse to invest so much energy into the mental gymnastics ever again. Not PC but what's the saying? It's like winning the special Olympics, you won but you're still retarded. And I'm probably a jaded fuck but that goes for all women not just GDP's. I've noticed that non-pro pussy Is coveted here. Well I've gotten plenty and have gone full circle. I'd rather pay monetarily.

Anyway, VB1 gives out a lot of gems in this post. His insight is spot on. Olegario Maciel. That street takes me way back. There used to be a club called The Cat Walk on that street owned by a guy named Jeff. Super cool guy who used to hang at TA / Help in the mid 2000's. He had like 8 expensive foreign cars. Turns out he was major in the drug game in Europe. He ended up getting extradited to England and Spain I believe. You'd have to spend $1. 000 for a small table at Cat Walk but he'd always comp me. And his doorman would see me and bring me straight to the front of the line much to the dismay of the wealthy Brazilians waiting to get in. I must say I rather enjoyed that. Good times. Thanks for the update on the area. Might take a look although I don't really like being around the locals in Barra.

About the price debate. I understand both sides and don't have a problem with either. If you live in Rio or spend extended time and have street smarts, you aren't going to want to pay top dollar even if money is no object. It's just not congruent with being street smart. Plus if you're used to getting free pussy and have style and swag it's pretty degrading to pay any chick that much money. But if you're a tourist it makes sense since there is a firm time deadline. Totally different mindset. I like the fact that tourists essentially fortify the girls since it allows them to be more lenient with what they'll accept from me. If they depended on guys like me for rent and bills they'd be in trouble. So everybody has their place in the ecosystem. Live and let live, there's always a silver lining.

[Member #4729]

I'd like to start this mini-update by addressing this issue about "respect" from a girl through social media contact and "raw" contact which was made in reference to me. It's actually a really interesting knot to untie and since I obviously do not accept the critique or the ad hominem that followed, this is an opportunity to address a category error that was and is often made. Let's grant the premise for the sake of argument and envision a world where I run back to the forum to report on a new garota that I have made the acquaintance of who: 1. Lets me raw dog all night long, and 2. Has made full insta contact etc. Ok, according to the premise, that's it guys, I have this girls respect and can hang that trophy on the wall and ye all can bask in my radiant glow! Except that during my triumphal lap beneath the thundering sound of applause, this girl slips away to work, IE to suck cocks and ride them, maybe even your cock, and that "respect" I had earned, well it's not worth a lot. The premise is revealed to be flawed.

These are working girls and we have professional relationships with them that some times seem personal, but are not. Accordingly, they make professional decisions like going uncovered (a somewhat bad decision in the long run), or allowing the world (including their family) to see they have a lot of older dudes on their social media. One wonders why? Once again for those in the back-at the end of the day, any connection you make you must remember it is professional and not personal. It's an easy mistake we make because we feel fucking amazing and virile after we have sex with them and we allow the fantasies to tumble through our imagination. This is fine, but only up to a point.

Moving along, since I last checked in the pernoites with Lucrezia have become regular, if not daily (other than Sunday and today), and we've developed a good professional rapport that I am satisfied with. This morning I was feeling a bit off though- I've enjoyed establishing something that has potential to be consistent over the next couple months, but also it was feeling suffocating. I'm looking forward to going to the "spa" with her this week (the non-sex kind), but also feeling a bit hemmed in by my developing habit and don't want to be in the position where I commit the category error discussed above.

It's at this moment that a garota previously discussed as frequenting Mabs Bar and Dolce Vita and who I believe that Rio Bob had the pleasure of working with, re-enters the picture with a zapp message that we should hang out as she's leaving to see her son tomorrow. We shall call this garota "Letitia". Like Lucrezia she is a mignon, very pretty, with a great attitude. I had previously declined her ententes because she does not allow leite na boca or na cara and that's one of my requirements. This despite finding her very hot and enjoyable to work with. I message back that I am interested but only if I can have leite no rosto. She makes a joke- why do I like cum on my face- but gives me a quote of 400 which is well above the 250 I previously enjoyed because its an "extra". I stand firm at 300 and she accepts after going down, down, and then finally meeting the bid. Like I said she needs the money to buy her son presents and I wasn't really into it unless I had this.

She came over and we had a great time as you can imagine. Leite no rosto for those who don't know means "milk on the face". And on the face it was, gentlemen. Now this is a garota I do have insta contact with (oh the "respect" and she told me that she saw a story I had posted that had pictured Lucrezia at the beach club and that made her jealous. I started talking a bit about Lucrezia and she says we should all three of us hang out and if it's not a "relationship" why should anyone get jealous? Ok, true- but I'm not sure it works that way. Once again, this is where all these lines begin to blur and the category errors are made. I do enjoy the thought of a threesome, but it would surely change everything and what's the point? Better to just develop one or two consistent working relationships with some side action and let sleeping dogs lie. She even suggested we go see Lucrezia at work which is both insane and expensive sounding. All of this is a moot point because she's leaving for Curitiba the day after next- but will return in a month.

One poignant moment worth relating- during our post-coital discussion I asked her which club, Mab's or DV she liked more and she replied "neither, I just go to them because I need to make money". Again- this is all business my dudes.

All this to say that I'm glad I got out of my mini monogamy rut and now see a clearer path forward. I'm attaching some photos that Letitia sent me although this is something I feel conflicted about. It seems like bragging at the expense of their privacy even though the identity is not obvious. I have photos of Lucrezia as well but will not be posting them as of yet.

Hopefully the rain clears and a fun week / end lies ahead.

[Pahllus Maximus]

https://stanfordcomparativeadvantage...ostitution.pdf

I will say the Price of Pussy (POP) suggest the Real is undervalued and that includes BR companies that earn hard currency. I have not found a POP ETF. Part of the problem is that measuring POP creates all sorts of insider trading and agency problems of the field staff. I will volunteer for this duty!

[Pahllus Maximus]

For the sake of yourself and everybody, get some tenofovir 300 MG for HIV protection (Gay men use it) and watch Hep see, or better still wear something that can delay a pop.

Syphilis is also a danger.

The alternative is Kazakhstan Gypsy tears in an amulet. I am so grateful Fox news put me onto the UFO / fake moon landing / CIA / 5 G conspiracy and along with Facebook enabled valuable theoretical breakthroughs that turns out were in the Pyramids but concealed by the Government, along with making gold and oil from water.

[Mr Enternational]

Every board complains about the same things. You have the cheapskates who always complain about how prices aren't like they used to be 25 years ago and ignore basic economics like inflation or the cost of living. People keep pointing to the average salary of workers in Brazil like that is what these girls should be charging. First off, the average standard living in Brazil would be considered living in poverty in the US.

The inflation argument would be done with a basket of goods. If the basket of goods has only gone up 20%, why would prostitution have gone up a whopping 500%? The USA has nothing to do with what is going on in Brazil. The average Brazilian male is not paying 1000 reais per night for a chick that would be in Mabs as a Mabs chick would attempt to charge a foreigner. The average salary of workers in Brazil matters because Brazilian men with Brazilian salaries are who their primary customers are. These men are not paying 1 month's salary to be with a chick the way some foreigners are coming along and paying that.

It is like locals have been fishing peacefully at a pond forever using fishing poles. Most foreigners will go down to the pond and fish the same way the locals are. Then comes a foreigner that decides he wants to fish with dynamite. Then another. Then another. Soon the locals change ponds and any other foreigner that comes to the old pond will have to bring dynamite or he is leaving fishless.

[Nounce]

Germany and the FKK scene seems to elide this rule, but perhaps could more represent the logic of a migratory labor force from the Balkans similar to the German phenomenon of the "Polish Plumber".

I think another reason is because it is an efficient operation so the girls can work more and make more money.