Stupid shit in Medellin

[Elvis 2008]

I don't have a dog in this fight, but so much for that...

Bombshell Emails Reveal That Fauci Wasn't Being Straight With the American People.

https://pjmedia.com/columns/megan-fo...eople-n1451475

Mr. E, it is even worse than that.

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/f...rking-pandemic

America's top virologist, Anthony Fauci, argued in 2012 that the risks of a lab accident sparking a pandemic are outweighed by the potential benefits of manipulating viruses via gain-of-function research, according to previously unsurfaced remarks reported by Sharri Markson via The Australian.

For those who trash Zero Hedge, there is a link to this video testimony where he says exactly that before Congress, the risks of a lab accident sparking a pandemic are outweighed by the potential benefits in video before Congress in 2012.

So basically, this fucker Fauci started making and studying man made super viruses on his own after Obama banned it, and while Trump was getting his feet wet and did not notice it. The NIH, which Fauci controls, was sending money to the Wuhan lab in China.

To make matters even more scary, if you go to the 5:45 second mark on this video, you learn that there are 11 labs right here in the USA fucking around with and making super viruses under Fauci's control, and we now know there are lab leaks or accidents all the time.

So basically this fucker Fauci, all on his own, decided creating super viruses and studying them was worth the risk of a lab accident. One fucking guy decided this for the whole world. It is government at its worst.

Of course, if you are a Democratic douche, you support government "scientists" like this and you blow off Dr. Rand Paul and his questions because he is a Republican.

Hell, you even ban anyone who mentions that Covid-19 came from a lab as a whack job conspiracy nut mostly because Trump mentioned it and if Trump is on one side of an issue, the Democratic douches have to be on the other.

But the chickens are coming home to roost. Amazon and Barnes and Noble are banning the sale of Fauci's book: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...-amazon-barnes.

And in addition to the email where Fauci pulls a boner on masks, (This asshole has recommended no masks, then one mask, then two), there is also one where he was told about how the CCP was lying about how bad Covid was in China and Fauci replied, "Too long, didn't read."

Well, enough of us now know here that Fauci is totally full of shit. The problem is the leaders in Colombia are still listening to him.

[Elvis 2008]

I cited the most respected medical institutions in the world, and sorry but I refuse to believe that Harvard Medical, The Cleveland Clinic, John Hopkins, the Mayo Clinic are somehow caught up some liberal misinformation campaign and that you somehow know more than they do. I do wonder though how ideologues get so paranoid as to think that they know more than our finest medical institutions.

And you do not think those organizations take marching orders from the government? My God, you are naïve. You know what organization has said landlords cannot evict tenants? The CDC: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...sume-evictions.

You think the CDC does not have those "reputable" organizations by the balls? Government bureaucrats tell Mayo Clinic, Cleveland Clinic, and Johns Hopkins (maybe you should get that spelling right) what to do. Stop quoting "reputable" organizations and look at the data, and in this case, THERE IS NONE.

I do not ignore Rand Paul because he is a Republican, I ignore what he said because he is a fucking eye doctor and not a immunologist, when he talks about pink eye then I will listen.

You should not listen to Rand Paul because he is Rand Paul. You should look at the data. Prior Covid infection confers about 90% immunity which is about at the same level of immunity as a vaccine. When you give a vaccine, you raise antibody levels and some people have had horrible reactions to those higher antibody levels. I know someone who has to quit his job after getting the vaccine due to tinnitus and dizziness. I know people who have been out for 4 weeks after getting the vaccine due to body aches and fatigue and some with permanent aches and fatigue, and I still think most people especially adults should get it. But giving it to 12 year olds and those previously infected? That is where the benefit: risk line becomes very blurred.

One of my best friends is also an ophthalmologist and he is a Republican and he says Rand Paul is full of shit when he talks about Covid, factually and ethically. Senator Bill Cassidy is doctor and a Republican and he disagrees with Rand Paul also.

Who cares? What does the data show?

I call bullshit on your statement "risks of increasing their load of antibodies is huge" the goddamn vaccine is supposed to increase the load of antibodies, that is the whole point, how is that a "risk". Tell me the harm in that. Tell me the long term harm that people have suffered as side affects from the vaccine? What kind of ideological drivel are you babbling about?

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...-covid-vaccine

LOL. Drivel?

The first study, led by researchers at the Institute for Immunology and Transfusion Medicine in Greifswald, Germany, involved 11 patients who had abnormal blood clots or thrombocytopenia (low platelet counts) 5 to 16 days after receiving the AstraZeneca vaccine.

One patient had a fatal intracranial hemorrhage (bleeding in the brain), while nine had cerebral venous thrombosis (blood clots in the brain), three had splanchnic vein thrombosis (blood clots in abdominal veins), three had a pulmonary embolism (blockage in a lung artery caused by blood clots), and four had other types of blood clots. Six patients, in addition to the patient with fatal intracranial hemorrhage, died.

Twenty-eight patients from another sample referred for investigation of vaccine-induced abnormal blood clotting tested positive for heparin-induced platelet factor 4 (PF4) thrombocytopenia antibodies, independent of heparin. All of them also tested positive for platelet-activating antibodies.

Got that dumb shit? Six people died after getting the vaccine and making antibodies from it. But in your web infested mind, Immune system = good. Do you think that maybe other antibodies might be raised by the vaccine and be harmful too?

And here you have a scientist looking at one side of the equation, "Everyone has good responses to the vaccines. They work to protect people against COVID-19. But for those who may be worried about side effects, they are not necessarily a bad thing—they may actually be an indicator of an even better immune response," Wherry said. https://www.pennmedicine.org/news/ne...e-vaccine-dose.

Got that? The officially listed common side effects of the vaccine, fatigue and body aches, suggest a robust immune response. They are a side effect of higher antibody counts. Problem is for some people they are not temporary.

And here is another potential side effect https://www.verywellhealth.com/tinni...effect-5184272.

A small number of people are reporting ear ringing, referred to as tinnitus, after receiving the COVID-19 vaccine. Unlike body aches or fatigue, tinnitus is not officially listed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) as a vaccine side effect. Experts say there's not currently enough scientific evidence to suggest the tinnitus cases are caused by vaccination.

Still, tinnitus reports have surfaced in both clinical trials and after authorized vaccination.

Johnson & Johnson vaccine clinical trials included six non-severe tinnitus cases within 28 days of vaccination, though the USA Food and Drug Administration (FDA) later ruled they were unrelated to the shot. 1 The USA Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) database has documented 1,486 cases of tinnitus following vaccination with any brand, meaning 0. 95% of vaccine recipients report experiencing the potential side effect.

End of quote.

Clearly, you do not get Mojo Brainless that it is possible that tinnitus is also related to unidentified antibodies. Meanwhile, no one knows what is the correct amount of antibodies you need to fight off infection, and I do not buy the official 1% tinnitus number. I think it is higher. Most do not associate it with the vaccine, and when I know someone who has that and dizziness that is so bad he has to quit his job, and that means something to me.

So you look on one side of the equation: rare but potentially fatal blood disorders, typically short lived but occasionally long term body aches and fatigue, 1% chance of tinnitus that some have had for months and the benefit is a supposed 5% decrease in the chance of getting Covid again? That is not a no-brainer decision.

Any of your "reputable" friends who have a one size fits all answer for that benefit to risk ratio are just like you, arrogant and totally full of shit. You do not know what you are talking about so kindly shut the fuck up.

As for being independent, give me a break. You are an arrogant, government is good liberal blowhard. You are totally against normal people being told the plusses and minuses of the vaccine and making up their own minds. You and your liberal trash call said people brainless antivaxxers.

As for the name calling, that is because someone may get hurt because of your mindless arrogance.

[The Cane]

I don't have a dog in this fight, but so much for that...

Bombshell Emails Reveal That Fauci Wasn't Being Straight With the American People.

https://pjmedia.com/columns/megan-fo...eople-n1451475

Hardly unbiased reporting:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PJ_Media

[Mr Enternational]

I don't have a dog in this fight, but so much for that...

Bombshell Emails Reveal That Fauci Wasn't Being Straight With the American People.

https://pjmedia.com/columns/megan-fo...eople-n1451475

[Paulie97]

At least Funluvr has backed off of his Trumpesque "many doctors" advise those who have had Covid not to get the vaccine claim. It's sad that the process of getting this corrected incited a protracted temper tantrum from Elvis, but was well worth it nonetheless.

And Funluvr good job with getting your shots. You did right by yourself and those who are around you. Thumbs up and the same to all who have done the same. I completed the Pfizer in early April.

[Mojo Bandit]

. Then, Dr. Fauci must be a quack because he has had opposite opinions on almost all aspects of Covid. Or do you form your opinion on what Dr. Fauci says at any given moment?
Just for the record, I have received both doses of the Moderna vaccine.

For the record I have not heard, listened to or cared what Dr Fauci has said in over a year because he is not in the trenches where the new information is being discovered. I have worked in the medical field most of my life, I am surrounded by medical people all the time, I have two cousins who are doctors and my brother and his wife are doctors who are researchers at a pharm company, and they have access to the latest information as it gets published and reviewed. Which really as of several months ago is about looking at the different variants that are developing as the virus morphs and changes.

[MarquisdeSade1]

Like I said before, we don't play in the same sandbox. You stick with the nana plaza ladyboy bars. To those with a limited budget, any holes will do; just not my thing jajaja

Like many say here, they all live in Bello, some wear different clothes, some take the money they get from overcharging chumps and buy knock off designer crap from China.

But you keep mentioning LBs? Is that your secret? I saw many "doods" taking them in BKK in Soi Cowboy and Nana, but none of the customers looked like me.

My sympathies, I pity you and your self-delusions, as was pointed out. If you are using mongering as a psych med, is your reality that tough?

Again my sympathies.

[Mojo Bandit]

Any other government sponsored program you want to shill for: social distancing, hand washing, travel bans ETC? All recommendations for "competent" professionals? Colombia listened to all your "competent" advice and where are they right now?

The data on whether to vaccinate people who have had Covid 19 is not in, and the benefits of their getting vaccinated are tiny and the risks of increasing their load of antibodies is huge. Maybe you do not or rather ignore people who have had side effects from the vaccine but I have not.

And by all means, tune out DR Rand Paul. He is not reputable because he is a Republican. Right, you Democratic douche?

Yes, the recommendation is for previously infected people to have the vaccine, but it is not based on data. Studies were not done on people who had prior Covid 19, and it is not known what to do with said people. Yes, Fauci, an ever loving vaccinologist who owns an unknown amount of Moderna shares and whose feet you Democratic douches worship at, has recommended it and those who are paid off via grants by him parrot him.

However, given he and you Democrats, aligned yourself with China to downplay the origins of the Covid virus, your credibility is at an all time low. It was bad enough that you all had to dismiss the lab leak theory but to censor anyone who mentioned it? That was pathetic, and all because Trump said it may have come from a lab. You guys not only mocked him, and you called anyone who mentioned the lab leak theory stupid.

And now it is the same with Dr. Rand Paul. Whatever he says, you and Paulie are against.

And Paulie, Mr. New York, New York, said Cuomo did a bang up job treating people with a virus. Why are you two are still doling out advice after being wrong about everything?

I was not even talking to you or responding to your post and yet you feel so insecure and personally attacked that you have to get up in here and start calling people names? Why do childish people have to start calling people names when they are disagreed with? But now that I know it gets a rise out of you I think Ill just keep poking.

This is a medical issue and it takes a particularly ideologically warped mind to see it as political.

No one who knows me personally would call me a liberal. I have been registered in both parties at one time or another but these days I just register as an independent. Most of my friends have usually been more conservative because we share the same interests and usually agree about 70% of the time about things, none of them would ever consider me a "liberal". Both Bernie Sanders and Marjorie Taylor Greene are equally fucking bat shit crazy. Bernie Sanders would think I was a fascist Nazi conservative.

But poor poor Elvis' mind is lost in a conservative echo chamber where everyone who does not agree with the propaganda being divvied out there must be a "liberal" or a "democrat". That is called black and white thinking and I should mention that it is symptomatic of a personality disorder. If you walk towards the light outside of the cave you'll see the shades of grey.

I cited the most respected medical institutions in the world, and sorry but I refuse to believe that Harvard Medical, The Cleveland Clinic, John Hopkins, the Mayo Clinic are somehow caught up some liberal misinformation campaign and that you somehow know more than they do. I do wonder though how ideologues get so paranoid as to think that they know more than our finest medical institutions.

I do not ignore Rand Paul because he is a Republican, I ignore what he said because he is a fucking eye doctor and not a immunologist, when he talks about pink eye then I will listen. One of my best friends is also an ophthalmologist and he is a Republican and he says Rand Paul is full of shit when he talks about Covid, factually and ethically. Senator Bill Cassidy is doctor and a Republican and he disagrees with Rand Paul also.

I call bullshit on your statement "risks of increasing their load of antibodies is huge" the goddamn vaccine is supposed to increase the load of antibodies, that is the whole point, how is that a "risk". Tell me the harm in that. Tell me the long term harm that people have suffered as side affects from the vaccine? What kind of ideological drivel are you babbling about?

[Fun Luvr]

No competent immunologist is saying any thing like this. All the competent doctors are saying the opposite, It is everyone's choice what they should do but they should be acting on the best knowledge available, not from some quack doctor who is spouting off their opinion but from the best doctors in the country.

So any doctor who you do not agree with is a quack. Then, Dr. Fauci must be a quack because he has had opposite opinions on almost all aspects of Covid. Or do you form your opinion on what Dr. Fauci says at any given moment?

All the top medical advisors are saying that even if you had Covid already that there is no guarantee that you developed enough natural antibodies to be immune.

You must have some phenomenal abilities, or you think you do, because you know what "all the component doctors" and "all the top medical advisors" are saying. You know what EVERY one of them are saying? Also, none of the vaccine manufacturers claim their vaccine is 100% effective in fighting off the virus. So no guarantees of immunity there either.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/covid...id-19-vaccines

https://www.uchicagomedicine.org/for...if-i-had-covid

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/w...-had-covid-19/

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...cines/faq.html

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/coro...-patients.html#text=People%20 who%20 have%20 gotten%20 sick, sick%20 with%20 COVID%2 D19%20 before.

All those links except the ones from Harvard and Johns Hopkins have reports with two things in common. They recommend people who have had Covid get the vaccine and "we're not sure" or "there's not enough information currently available" or "we don't know" how the body will react to the virus in those people who have had Covid. They don't state it, but they also don't know if there are any long-term effects from the vaccine. Havard and Johns Hopkins do not express an opinion about the vaccine. They state that there is research that suggests people who have had Covid may benefit from the vaccine.

Just for the record, I have received both doses of the Moderna vaccine.

[BlackThought]

But in any case look in the mirror I know its tough, but you need to stop projecting.

Because I'm not the one that gets overcharged by putas (even the 3rd world ones) jajajaja.

Like I said before, we don't play in the same sandbox. You stick with the nana plaza ladyboy bars. To those with a limited budget, any holes will do; just not my thing jajaja

[Villainy]

And by all means, tune out DR Rand Paul. He is not reputable because he is a Republican. Right, you Democratic douche?.

I can see why you would have profound respect for Dr. Rand Paul. After all he is (was) an ophthalmologist and perhaps he can help you with your inability to see anything about CoVid without putting on your political blinders.

Of course you also want to discount anything Dr. Fauci says because, afterall, he is too political. But wasn't he named as an example of a great American hero by George Bush I in one of his debates against Michael Dukakis in 1988?

In my world. We listen to an epidemiologist when we want to learn about viruses, pandemics and communicable diseases and we listen to an ophthalmologist if we want to learn about glaucoma or Lasik surgery.

I guess we live in different worlds.

[JjBee62]

The little wing nut baby is having another Covid-19 meltdown on the stupid shit thread. Deja Vu. LOL.

You yourself are in here making medical assertions with no "data" or source citations while whining about Cuomo like he has anything to do with the price of rice in China, other than to attack a guy based on his home state. As it stands now the CDC and the consensus of contagious disease specialists who have spoken out recommend vaccination for those who have had Covid. Those are facts. There's also been a study done that indicates that those who have had Covid likely will do well enough with a single shot. That link which alludes to "data" was already posted in the regular thread a few days ago. Do your blood pressure a favor and do some research next time rather than believing everything Rand Paul, Fox, and whatever wingnut blog tells you, along with what you want to embellish along the way. That's asking a lot I know. As to the shots, of course everyone is free to do as they wish, as they've been doing all along anyway.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mishaga...h=43d6cd515f85

Accepting advice from Rand Paul, concerning viruses and vaccines, makes as much sense as hiring a plumber to rewire your house. He's an opthalmologist, an uncertified opthalmologist.

[PVMonger]

Any other government sponsored program you want to shill for: social distancing, hand washing, travel bans ETC? All recommendations for "competent" professionals? Colombia listened to all your "competent" advice and where are they right now?

The data on whether to vaccinate people who have had Covid 19 is not in, and the benefits of their getting vaccinated are tiny and the risks of increasing their load of antibodies is huge. Maybe you do not or rather ignore people who have had side effects from the vaccine but I have not.

And by all means, tune out DR Rand Paul. He is not reputable because he is a Republican.Right, you Democratic douche?

Yes, the recommendation is for previously infected people to have the vaccine, but it is not based on data. Studies were not done on people who had prior Covid 19, and it is not known what to do with said people. Yes, Fauci, an ever loving vaccinologist who owns an unknown amount of Moderna shares and whose feet you Democratic douches worship at, has recommended it and those who are paid off via grants by him parrot him.

However, given he and you Democrats, aligned yourself with China to downplay the origins of the Covid virus, your credibility is at an all time low. It was bad enough that you all had to dismiss the lab leak theory but to censor anyone who mentioned it? That was pathetic, and all because Trump said it may have come from a lab. You guys not only mocked him, and you called anyone who mentioned the lab leak theory stupid.

And now it is the same with Dr. Rand Paul. Whatever he says, you and Paulie are against.

And Paulie, Mr. New York, New York, said Cuomo did a bang up job treating people with a virus. Why are you two are still doling out advice after being wrong about everything?

I tune out Rand Paul because he isn't an immunologist or a virologist. Just as I tuned out trump's advice on disinfectant and light bulbs.

[Elvis 2008]

When I mentioned the blog Zero Hedge, the Democratic douches do as they always do: attack the source. If Fox News says 2 + 2 =4, the Democratic douches would say something to the effect that "Fox News would say something like that. "

What kind of conspiracy theorist type reads an "economical blog" like Zero Hedge?

Well, it turns out no mask, one mask, two mask Anthony Fauci does: https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/f...-made-covid-19.

And yes Fauci saying that the Corona virus was man made was "really outlandish". Ha!

And now the Washington Post is walking things back "The Post becomes the latest in a growing list of media outlets and 'fact checkers' that have been forced to walk back their insistence that the lab leak theory was an impossibility. " https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...y-theory-wuhan.

Yep, nothing like another main stream paper of record showing it is full of shit. What is a Democratic douche to do?

Now the USA is having 1/3 the cases that Colombia has, do you think that maybe somebody ought to tell the Colombians that the social distancing, hand sanitizers, wearing masks outside, Covid tests upon entering the country do not work? Now all we need is Paulie saying Duque showed "real leadership" in this crisis and maybe JJBee can repeat his "jobs come back but lives do not. "

Yeah, all this Democratic douche, "scientific" leadership did was kill people and cost people their jobs while covering up the origins of the virus. The lab leak theory was racist doncha know? Gee, who know that fucking around with deadly viruses could kill millions? Not Fauci. No, fucking around with viruses was worth the benefit per Fauci. He testified to this before Congress in 2012, and he started the gain of function research on his own after Obama shut it down. Yep, the mastermind of gain of function with viruses was Fauci and he hides behind racism and his "scientific" co-conspirators.

Now we can hear about how no one predicted this 2 year lag in supply chains. That was "nonessential" work right? Shiiit!

Shaking my fucking head. Can you believe all the stupid shit that was done in the name of fighting Covid? And that Colombia is still doing it?

Cue the Democratic douche line, "Nobody knew. "

Hey Mojo, let me hear it. How "reputable" is Fauci now? Let me guess. You are still quoting the reputable Washington Post.

[MarquisdeSade1]

Any other government sponsored program you want to shill for: social distancing, hand washing, travel bans ETC? All recommendations for "competent" professionals? Colombia listened to all your "competent" advice and where are they right now?

The data on whether to vaccinate people who have had Covid 19 is not in, and the benefits of their getting vaccinated are tiny and the risks of increasing their load of antibodies is huge. Maybe you do not or rather ignore people who have had side effects from the vaccine but I have not.

And by all means, tune out DR Rand Paul. He is not reputable because he is a Republican. Right, you Democratic douche?

Yes, the recommendation is for previously infected people to have the vaccine, but it is not based on data. Studies were not done on people who had prior Covid 19, and it is not known what to do with said people. Yes, Fauci, an ever loving vaccinologist who owns an unknown amount of Moderna shares and whose feet you Democratic douches worship at, has recommended it and those who are paid off via grants by him parrot him.

However, given he and you Democrats, aligned yourself with China to downplay the origins of the Covid virus, your credibility is at an all time low. It was bad enough that you all had to dismiss the lab leak theory but to censor anyone who mentioned it? That was pathetic, and all because Trump said it may have come from a lab. You guys not only mocked him, and you called anyone who mentioned the lab leak theory stupid.

And now it is the same with Dr. Rand Paul. Whatever he says, you and Paulie are against.

And Paulie, Mr. New York, New York, said Cuomo did a bang up job treating people with a virus. Why are you two are still doling out advice after being wrong about everything?

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/31/o...ak-theory.html