Stupid shit in Medellin

[JjBee62]

Yes I am interested bcos I think it is dangerous and disfunctional to spread false information. I am open to hear new info which is why I asked if you had any evidence. I have seen stats from UK and SA that show hardly anyone young and healthy is dying. I just had a quick look for Colombia and came up with this which is based on minsalud stats: https://medellinguru.com/colombia-co...us-death-rate/.

Again, it shows hardly anyone is dying under the age of 60 in Colombia and Italy. I am not familiar with the Ontario website. I did take a quick look, and they confirm that less than a half a percent (<0. 5%) of deaths are under 60. https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-...port.pdf?la=en.

So again, I repeat that there is no risk (meaning very little) to healthy people under 60 years old.

I'm not certain you're being entirely honest about your intentions.

If you're open to new info, why ask for it on a mongering board? A few seconds with Google will provide much more information, quicker and with the option to verify the data sources at your fingertips.

If you're trying to prevent spreading of false information, why say "No risk" when you mean "very little risk?" Why assume that death is the only risk associated with Covid?

Hospitalization is a risk. Missing a few weeks of work is a risk. Long term complications are risks. Those risks apply to everyone, regardless of age group or risk factors. They're obviously not the same for everyone, but the risks are still there.

My recommendation is to determine your own personal risks, decide which risks apply to you (for instance, if you don't work, missing a few weeks of work might not be a risk which concerns you). Then decide what you will do and where you will do it.

This avoids all the bickering about what is happening in Canada or North Korea or any place where you don't intend to go.

At least on this board, concerns should be about what is happening in Colombia.

[MarquisdeSade1]

Yes I am interested bcos I think it is dangerous and disfunctional to spread false information. I am open to hear new info which is why I asked if you had any evidence. I have seen stats from UK and SA that show hardly anyone young and healthy is dying. I just had a quick look for Colombia and came up with this which is based on minsalud stats: https://medellinguru.com/colombia-co...us-death-rate/.

Again, it shows hardly anyone is dying under the age of 60 in Colombia and Italy. I am not familiar with the Ontario website. I did take a quick look, and they confirm that less than a half a percent (<0. 5%) of deaths are under 60. https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-...port.pdf?la=en.

So again, I repeat that there is no risk (meaning very little) to healthy people under 60 years old.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/04/o...gtype=Homepage

[JustTK]

Yes I am interested bcos I think it is dangerous and disfunctional to spread false information. I am open to hear new info which is why I asked if you had any evidence. I have seen stats from UK and SA that show hardly anyone young and healthy is dying. I just had a quick look for Colombia and came up with this which is based on minsalud stats: https://medellinguru.com/colombia-co...us-death-rate/.

Again, it shows hardly anyone is dying under the age of 60 in Colombia and Italy. I am not familiar with the Ontario website. I did take a quick look, and they confirm that less than a half a percent (<0. 5%) of deaths are under 60. https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-...port.pdf?la=en.

So again, I repeat that there is no risk (meaning very little) to healthy people under 60 years old.

If you really are interested the Ontario gov't website has great stats on infections and deaths by age. I'm not interested in supporting what I said in the least as I'm not trying to win any arguments. It was merely my opinion on some risks I see in Colombia going forward, but I really really hope it doesn't get any worse than it is now.

[Elvis 2008]

Do you recall the never ending argument you had with JjBee62 just over a year ago? You were arguing whatever nonsense you were arguing

So I am wrong and you do not remember what it was about? Let me guess what party you are affiliated with.

You were dead certain that the fatalities from CoVid in the US would slow down and stop short of 200,000 deaths.

Well, JJBee, just said 80,000 but you Democratic douches are not so good with facts.

To make a gentleman's wager with you (somewhat out of place since "gentleman" is not something most of us would call you).

That you think betting on how many people dying is a "gentlemen's" wager just shows how sick you really are.

You, of course, refused to confront the wager and as is your style, prattled on in a thousand different directions.

LOL. So I was wrong, but again you cannot remember what it was about. Really?

And you guys and this wager thing are about as consistent as no mask, one mask, two masks Fauci.

You were thrilled to point out that Sweden was doing just what you recommended and they were having incredible success. Remember and to bolster the insanity of your argument you compared Sweden's results to Belgium. I asked you why you didn't compare Sweden to Norway, Finland and Denmark. Afterall the genetic makeup is similar, the climate is similar the population density is similar.

Right you are doing the Democratic douche thing of making a statement and then going out and finding the facts that support it versus the scientific method where you collect the data first.

I just heard a funny one on CNN the other day where a blowhard said, "Just because Trump said it does not mean it is wrong. " I am sure you have no problem with that.

But no you insisted Belgium was a perfect match.

Actually what I said was that you could judge Sweden's failure or success based upon who you compared them to.

For only one reason it didn't make Sweden appear as stupid and politically inept as they obviously were. Today a year later we have a much better lens to.

Uh, Sweden was stupid and inept? That is news to me.

Just view the insanity of your position.

Sweden has had over 1 million cases. Just over 10% of the population has had CoVid.

Denmark. Only about 5% of the population has had CoVid.

Norway only about 2. 3% of the population has had CoVid.

Finland only about 1. 7% of the population has had CoVid.

Again, I could bring up countries with worse numbers than Sweden.

What about when you needed to manufacture a point to support some other silly argument about how closing businesses and social distancing was a failure. Someone who was versed in the scientific method or perhaps just a rational person with common sense would say your argument about Sweden was silly and dishonest.

The scientific method huh? Hey, look, Paulie agrees with you. Sorry, douche, now you are really done for.

It's plain to see that Sweden's neighbors took actions to stop the spread of the virus that Sweden itself did not take. This while Sweden's death total (14,485) is 18 plus times that of their neighbor Norway (785) while having only double the population. This represents 1000's of needless deaths as the effective vaccines are now here. It's plain to see that Sweden's neighbors took actions to stop the spread of the virus that Sweden itself did not take.

Okay, I will bite. What did Sweden do wrong?

Forgot that?? What about when you needed to manufacture a point to support some other silly argument about how closing businesses and social distancing was a failure. Remember?

Oh, I remember all right. I am actually proud about being right about those two things.

I guess since you two douches have been watching MSNBC and CNN the whole time you have not kept on things.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/st...stopping-covid

LOL. I was jerking your chain. You said Zero Hedge, you read Zero Hedge right?

Here is the actual study done from Stanford that ZH referenced not that you will read it: https://www.outkick.com/stanford-stu...t-home-orders/.

It turns out what Sweden did was as effective as what anyone else did.

So who is following the scientific method, douche, you and Paulie / Cuomo or Stanford?

So, I'm going to stop here. Because your list of silly arguments and even sillier supporting statements are just laughable or sad.

Well, at least, we agree on one thing. You really should stop.

[Elvis 2008]

I need to add a correction. The number Elvira said the US death toll wouldn't reach was 80,000, not 200,000. I believe he said "80,000?

Oh, that you believe it is true. That I ever made the bet is something you just made up.

So the first time anyone knew about the A-Fib was when the nurse discovered it and told me. Thus ElVenous' claim that he knew about it before I did is, surprise, more absolute bullshit from him, since nobody knew about it before the nurse and I, and I didn't post about it until just a few days later.

Again, that is what you believe happened. You came on here said you were sick and rambled on about some shit that Covid was dangerous when your had a heart condition. I was not even going to say what was wrong. I actually felt sorry for your ass but when you would not shut up about Covid when you had a heart condition that had nothing to do with Covid, I had enough. I am the first person who mentioned you had a-fib on this forum not you. Got that dumb shit?

How you pull these deranged fantasies out of your ass and call me a liar is astounding. A-fib does cause blood clots to go to the brain and knock out brain cells so maybe that is it.

But there is no point in it. I do not know whether to say you are stupid, have a bad memory from a medical condition, or are full of shit, but then again, does it matter?

You are a typical Democratic douche and you value more who is speaking than what the facts are, and there is no point in having any conversation with you. I will just put you and Paulie back on ignore. Nothing you two say is worth reading anyway.

[JustTK]

I agree that the CDC fkd up. Fauci has been caught out lying so many times this past year. He should be behind bars as a mass murderer.

I am not sure how USA works, but there is no state immunity in countries where I have lived. They can be sued for malpractice, like everyone else. For example they can sued for not causing road accidents if they don't repair roads, same with pavements, same in public healthcare. I am surprised to hear this is not the case in the USA.

I am a leftist. I just think its a difficult discussion to have with USAns bcos what they understand as "leftism" is nowhere near what I think of it. .

You are right. I did not proof read what I wrote. I meant to say Leftists say we should support government no matter how stupid it is.

The CDC and FDA fucked up the early testing for Covid and no one was held responsible. If you are a leftist, you still quote and follow the CDC no matter how stupid it is.

If the CDC did not have government immunity, they would have been sued into the stratosphere for this. If you pay a company and it does not provide a service or does not please its customers, it is sued and goes out of business. When citizens pay government agencies and they fuck up, the same thing should happen.

[Elvis 2008]

I agree with some things you wrote, but this statement is patently ridiculous. Do you not have a better criticism of leftism rather than just making stuff up?

You are right. I did not proof read what I wrote. I meant to say Leftists say we should support government no matter how stupid it is.

The CDC and FDA fucked up the early testing for Covid and no one was held responsible. If you are a leftist, you still quote and follow the CDC no matter how stupid it is.

If the CDC did not have government immunity, they would have been sued into the stratosphere for this. If you pay a company and it does not provide a service or does not please its customers, it is sued and goes out of business. When citizens pay government agencies and they fuck up, the same thing should happen.

[Zeos1]

Would love to see some stats to support anything you claimed.

If you really are interested the Ontario gov't website has great stats on infections and deaths by age. I'm not interested in supporting what I said in the least as I'm not trying to win any arguments. It was merely my opinion on some risks I see in Colombia going forward, but I really really hope it doesn't get any worse than it is now.

[JustTK]

Leftism says we should worship leftists no matter how stupid they are. .

I agree with some things you wrote, but this statement is patently ridiculous. Do you not have a better criticism of leftism rather than just making stuff up?

[Villainy]

I need to add a correction. The number Elvira said the US death toll wouldn't reach was 80,000, not 200,000. I believe he said "80,000? I will take the under on that bet anytime. " So I offered the bet, 5 or 6 times. Eventually he replied that he never accepted the bet. Honesty isn't ElPipi's forte.

Hahahaha my apologies and thank you for correcting the record. Even saying 200,000 deaths would be the limit would have been ridiculous given the then exected timeline to a vaccine. 80,000 was simply the ranting of an uneducated clown. But as I remember, a certain so called world leader claimed the virus would disappear on its own in a few weeks / months and once the weather turned warm it would all disappear. "like magic".

Of course, that was sheer stupidity at the time since the virus was growing exponentially even in the Southern hemisphere where it was already summer time.

Your on for lunch at SaludPan!

[PVMonger]

I overreacted. I had seen some horrific reactions to the virus and it saddened me. I often see things before others do. This has been a red-blue thing more than it ever should have been. I get people voting Democratic if it is in their interests. I quoted Matt Taibbi and Glenn Greenwald who have chronicled the rise of leftism in place of traditional Democratic liberalism.

Leftism says we should worship leftists no matter how stupid they are. The problem is that it does not take into account conflicts of interest, and the Lancet proclamation that the lab leak theory was not science but scientists not just playing politics but covering their pathetic asses.

Fauci is a mob leader like the Godfather. He doles out $32 billion in grants and approves 99% of them. Our medical field is as centrally planned the old Soviet Union now, and it is pathetic.

With the vaccines, they have been miracles, but the mechanism with which they worked was old, and it was pure luck they worked. But the "scientists" in their zeal to stamp out the virus have downplayed the dangers of the vaccine. Just like I told you that I saw vaccines spreading in the homes, I have been seeing horrific reactions to the vaccine and some causing people permanent damage.

The so called experts have been playing hide the sausage with herd immunity, and Fauci the fraud has been lying about the percentage to fulfill his agenda. Given the number of infections and the infections that were diagnosed and the vaccines, we are probably at herd immunity now. I do not think it is necessary to call out the antivaxxers now as others here do..

And republikkkanism says we should worship the orange fruitcake no matter how stupid he was / is.

[Elvis 2008]

I overreacted. I had seen some horrific reactions to the virus and it saddened me. I often see things before others do. This has been a red-blue thing more than it ever should have been. I get people voting Democratic if it is in their interests. I quoted Matt Taibbi and Glenn Greenwald who have chronicled the rise of leftism in place of traditional Democratic liberalism.

Leftism says we should worship leftists no matter how stupid they are. The problem is that it does not take into account conflicts of interest, and the Lancet proclamation that the lab leak theory was not science but scientists not just playing politics but covering their pathetic asses.

Fauci is a mob leader like the Godfather. He doles out $32 billion in grants and approves 99% of them. Our medical field is as centrally planned the old Soviet Union now, and it is pathetic.

With the vaccines, they have been miracles, but the mechanism with which they worked was old, and it was pure luck they worked. But the "scientists" in their zeal to stamp out the virus have downplayed the dangers of the vaccine. Just like I told you that I saw vaccines spreading in the homes, I have been seeing horrific reactions to the vaccine and some causing people permanent damage.

The so called experts have been playing hide the sausage with herd immunity, and Fauci the fraud has been lying about the percentage to fulfill his agenda. Given the number of infections and the infections that were diagnosed and the vaccines, we are probably at herd immunity now. I do not think it is necessary to call out the antivaxxers now as others here do.

If you saw two people like I did who have had reactions to the vaccine like I did, it was horrible. I have seen other stupid things like the calling for putting people on ventilators early on when they were not needed. That was terrible.

The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines cause a spike in the antibody levels and the first dose is usually sufficient for immunity. The level of antibodies is probably sufficient with natural immunity. The UK proved that one dose of the vaccine is effective. What is going on is a lot of people who have probably been exposed to Covid have had horrible reactions to the first dose and not the second. They probably have already had Covid antibodies, and it is raising those antibodies to sky high levels where the problems seem to come in.

For people who have not had the virus, it is the second injection that causes the horrific side effects. I really question now whether these second doses, the boosters, are necessary given the side effects.

I am not going to restate all the government fuckups. What pisses me off now is the people who supposedly were trust worthy were not just dead wrong but covering their asses.

Because Rand Paul has gone after Fauci, the Democratic douches response has been to be snide. It is the typical Red-blue, left-right nonsense we all see, and I am sick of it. This is government officials taking our tax dollars, growing super viruses, saying that producing and studying them was worth the risk, and have been trying to cover their asses for the last year. It is not red-blue, left-right. It is good and evil.

I know what the Democratic douche response will be. They will pretend that all their praise of Fauci never happened.

One guy in government in charge of 99% of the grants worth $32 billion. That is fucking crazy, and I wish this was more well known. Scientists have been way more concerned with kissing Fauci's ass than getting to the truth. Until this changes, I recommend you that you look at data yourself versus just taking the advice of "reputable" scholars.

When I go to the doctor, I read the science myself. What I want to know is what he has seen works, what he shares with his colleagues. The Fauci kissing assholes call that anecdotal. In my experience, it is invaluable.

I said way before the studies came out that I was seeing huge rates of transmissions in the home and as you now know the outdoor transmission rates have been miniscule. I think the government knew this and instead of being honest was too interested in CYA than being honest.

What bugs me is no one is addressing the mistakes. China escaped criticism because they were going to withhold PPE if people were critical.

The climate change agenda is being pushed through to advance a socialist cause. The notion is that polling scientists is science not politics.

Here is a report from a person who went to two of those climate change conferences: https://freemansperspective.com/my-a...hange-central/.

I heard one speech – in the impressive 'headphone' amphitheater – where the speaker said that vast areas of her home country would be entirely underwater in ten years (which would have been 2009) and that every soul living there would be dead. As evidence, she referred to impressive names and organizations, who had "said so."

As best I could tell, nearly every person at this event was someone making a living from global warming, or else some official's son, daughter, brother-in-law, or cousin. I found none that had any notable substance. They were flying first class, staying at magnificent hotels, eating in the finest restaurants, and, as I later learned, hiring the best prostitutes and snorting the best drugs. And they were doing it all on some government's tab.

I wonder if the grants for climate research have their own version of Fauci. I would be surprised if they do not. As the author noted above, the record of those pushing climate change is horrific, but no one seems to hold them accountable. It is pretty clear to me that the people who could punch holes in climate change are not getting funded. This is the government version of "science" and it needs to stop.

[JustTK]

Would love to see some stats to support anything you claimed.

Once you remove the old and the compromised then the young and the uncompromised are the ones in intensive care. We've been experiencing that in the last 6 to 8 weeks, and its finally dropping again as we are have 60 plus percent with vaccinations. Our cases had become mostly the British variant, rapidly moving to the Indian variant. Both are a lot more contagious (read more airborne probably). And while a lot of the young people on respirators eventually recovered it was a very very tough time. With enough deaths as well.

I saw reports from Vegas in the last few days. Back to normal. Hate to throw rain on the parade. But with 30 to 50% of the people there not vaccinated (assuming the normal mix for the US) and if the variants are present there, there will be lots of Covid still to come.

As for Colombia. Terrrible dilemma and situation. On that I think we agree. The lockdowns and measures to stop these variants will be virtually impossible to follow in a place like that.

[Mojo Bandit]

The problem with a dumb ass Democratic douche like you .

Does it seriously not matter to you how many times I tell you that I am a registered independent, the first time I ever registered to vote I registered as a Republican, among other reasons was because I was in the military and wanted to vote for people who were not going to cut the funding. It was during the Iraqi war debacle when they started invoking Stop-loss and sending soldiers for multiple tours that I soured on how much they actually respected the military.

Your fragile little two dimensional mind cannot conceive of people being independents. Over one third of the country is independents. We outnumber both the Democrats and the Republicans as a group and yet in your feeble little ideologically driven brain that is so consumed by your petty emotions that generate paranoia over sanity and reason. We do not exist?

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics...at-they-think/

I personally cannot get behind the complete agenda of either major party and fucking crazier than batshit ideologues like you is one of the reasons. The left has their share of crazies also and I do not want to join either club. I would rather think originally and pragmatically. Independently! I tell you that I am an independent and and only in the voices in your crazy head say that am I a Democrat. Proof that you are batshit crazy! This really demonstrates why you are a simple minded twit, your mind cannot comprehend that everything is not black and white. I disagree with you because you are obviously batshit crazy. Let me keep reminding you how batshit crazy you are:

Exhibit Number one in the case that you are batshit crazy: you said in post #1158 "That is the crazy thing about this virus. There was no variance from March 2020 to December mentioned in most of the media. ".

And yet if anyone did a reality check they would find this:

https://www.newscientist.com/article...e-more-deadly/ (March 2020).

https://www.dw.com/en/new-strain-of-...udy/a-54034723 (March 2020.).

https://nypost.com/2020/03/24/icelan...s-report-says/ (March 2020).

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20...the-world.aspx (March 2020).

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full...1.2020.1756700 (Apr 2020).

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...054v1.full.pdf (Apr 2020).

https://translational-medicine.biome...67-020-02344-6 (April 2020).

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32357545/ (April).

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...rs/3085752001/ (May).

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/art...ew-coronavirus (May 2020).

https://medium.com/swlh/variants-lin...s-7a71a0e699d7 (May 2020).

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-...earch/12218834 (May 2020).

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/covid-...ry?id=70535183 (May).

https://coronavirusexplained.ukri.or...ticle/cad0013/ (June 2020).

https://www.scripps.edu/news-and-eve...-mutation.html (June 2020).

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...study/2292119/ (June 2020).

https://abc7chicago.com/coronavirus-...study/6254953/ (June 2020).

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...810v1.full.pdf (June 2020).

https://www.biospace.com/article/mut...re-contagious/ (June 2020).

https://abc13.com/coronavirus-covid-...uston/6300460/ (July).

https://www.lanl.gov/updates/sars-cov-2-variant.php (July).

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/cor...244093332.html (July).

https://scitechdaily.com/global-covi...rain-of-virus/ (July).

https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/wh...vid-19-mutates (July).

https://www.sheffield.ac.uk/news/nr/...tious-1.892276 (July).

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se...auses-covid-19 (August).

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN25H0O1 (August 2020).

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ore-infectious (August).

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...163v1.full.pdf (August 2020).

https://www.cell.com/cell/pdf/S0092-...%2930877-1.pdf (September).

https://khn.org/morning-breakout/mor...n-based-study/ (September).

https://translational-medicine.biome 67-020-02535-1 (September).

https://www.biopharma-reporter.com/A...vaccines-study (October).

https://news.utexas.edu/2020/10/30/c...re-contagious/ (October).

https://www.reuters.com/article/heal...-idUSKBN27E2RS (October).

https://www.ft.com/content/2782655a-...3-5c4e67ead110 (October).

https://www.lanl.gov/updates/sars-cov-2-variant.php (October).

https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberth...h=3939e7735ed3 (November).

https://newseu.cgtn.com/news/2020-11...2pq/index.html (November).

[The Cane]

Understand, you are interacting with a guy who claims to have known I was in atrial fibrillation before anyone had done as much as take my pulse. Of course he made his diagnosis after I posted that I had spent a night in ICU because of atrial fibrillation. Somehow, as I was driving (I'll let him tell you where exactly I was driving and what date) he detected from more than 1,000 miles away, without having made any contact with me (by any method I'm aware of. He obviously has special powers), that I was briefly in atrial fibrillation. What bothers me the most, isn't his invasion of my privacy, by magically detecting my vital signs, it's that he didn't take a moment to magically tell me that I was experiencing atrial fibrillation.

If you have those magical powers, shouldn't you use them for the greater good rather than sharing that you knew about it 2 months later? That's just rude.

I've decided to stop seeing my doctors. I'll just post something like "I have a small discoloration on my right leg" and wait for the Dr. Elvirus diagnosis.

"Elvirus"! Too funny! Elvirus! LOLOLOL!

https://youtu.be/78StTWsq9ag