Medellin Reports

[Elvis 2008]

Best quote I can cite about our hobby is "Men do not pay women for sex, but to see them disappearing after sex".

Besides regular P4P activities, I am one who did spend money to have a girl pretending to be my girlfriend, then I started wondering "what am I doing here?" and I evolved, starting to offer money to 2 girls, to pretend they are my 2 girlfriends and we are a happy trio. All this only in Batam, Indonesia, because there local girls really can make you feel they are girlfriends with benefits, and never in Colombia, because in Colombia girls are very clear it's a business arrangement.

With all this, everytime I finish the deed I start wondering "who is this girl sleeping here? Who's next?" and I go back to the Wise Statement above.

Nothing personal, BP. I could have quoted five posts with the same sentiment. Thing is I have posted more about this subject than anyone. I have posted about my successes more than anyone on seeking.com, SA, and others have followed in my footsteps.

So let me repeat my story. I have been at this a long time, and seeing hookers got old. I would enjoy someone's company and I hated the clock running. I get the comment about paying not for sex but for women to leave, but in my cases with the best working girls, I wanted the dates to be longer and did not want to be paying hourly rates that were really rates for sex.

Back in 2009, the Great Recession hit, and I explored the SB concept and have stayed with it since then. Desirable women were without work and money, and several hotties were not gung ho to do prostitution but they were willing to do a form of P4 P if it could be kept quiet and the women did not feel like sluts, I. E. They really liked the guy. What a SD does for a woman is money and something else. For a SB it is sex and something else. That is it. People always want to say at its core SD SB relationships are P4P and for some that is true. For others and with me, it is not.

In the USA a few years ago, new prostitution laws were passed and seeking.com/ SA had to change its appearance. They kicked off anyone who requested pay per meet (but just in the USA). In Colombia, I would get offers all the time from women who did not want to be kicked off.

When I have a real SB, I do not want them to leave. I enjoy their company, and they enjoy mine. I lectured women all the time on the site if you are interested in my money and not me, I am not interested in you. Most would actually respond to that positively.

As for the rules, anything goes. There is no rule about exclusivity, or time, or condoms or anything. You do whatever the fuck you two agree to.

So you are hanging with women who are working girls, and you treat them like they are. There is nothing wrong with that, and you may get some very skilled women, but I have not met many working girls who are quality people who I want to hang out with very long.

And while you are banging working girls, I was banging models, lawyers, doctors, engineers ETC. If a girl really likes me, guess what? She does not want to take money from me. I flew in a Colombian lawyer from Villavicencio and gave her $300 for 3 days company and she tried to give it back to me. She later told me she loved me. I insisted she take the money and calmed her down and told her it was infatuation not love. Did that ever happen with some centro chica to anyone here? Offer to give back $300?

A good SB SD relationship is harder to find than a good john working girl relationship but the sex is better, the companionship is better, and it is a richer and often cheaper experience. At the end of the day, fucking working girls gets pretty old. It is like fast food, satisfies a craving and little more. Why would you want to pay a quality woman, a quality companion, to leave? Some if not most of my best times with my SBs have been outside of the bedroom. I like to think quality women have some value besides their three orifices.

So you all can go on your rampages, rail against sugar daddies all you want, but the concept is not a threat to the women you are seeing ("Hey daddy, buy me a Iphone" does not mean you have a SB, just a greedy working girl), and it is going to continue whether you like it or not. Yes, guys having higher quality companionship, fucking better looking women, having better sex for often less money is going to win out in the end. Surprise!

[BlackThought]

330 k + tip so about $100 usd.

That's not bad at all to smash a 10.

[BlackThought]

First time in Medellin. Just visited Loutron and holy shit. It's expensive but definitely a must visit at least once. The way they have the line up of girls come out and present themselves is something out of a fucking movie. Every girl either a 8, 9, or 10. It's about double the cost of a standard lay in Poblado and not exactly GFE, but I can finally say I fucked a solid 10. I really don't think it can get much better.

If the girls provided full GFE, I would not look twice at the price. This is my type of mongering. No BS. No wasting time searching for a decent looking girl, or waiting for a girl who shows up 2 hours late. Just solid 10's quite literally fucking spoon fed to you. Wow.

What were the rates?

[Mr Enternational]

If we're being honest, most of us have walked that road at some point in our life. Whether it was throwing gifts and attention at the highschool sweetheart, or making it rain at the strip club.

That is something that I can say I have never been a party to. I have always been a player and my last year in high school I was a DJ at the strip club. So while dudes were tipping the chicks, the chicks had to tip me.

[Mr Enternational]

Dude you totally missed my point. I could care less if she was disgusted with me, why the personal attack?

It was not a personal attack. It was a play off what you said. Did you even read your own post? I even quoted it, but here it goes again.

does not have to have sex with men she is disgusted to look at.

I was simply saying that you could have been one of the men that you wrote about.

[Errol Flynn]

I do think is it more common in Colombia for men to be fucking their maids, secretaries and so on than in the US where such things are frowned upon and even illegal and often can come back when relationships go sideways, and lead to the downfall of people in higher positions.

I happen to live in the playground of the Hollywood rich and famous. A few years back, a young woman I knew (early 20's at the time and very hot, but knew it) got hired by a 40 something major television star and his wife to be their au pair. Sorry I can't name him, but by most standards I think he would be considered extremely handsome. Of course he was rich. Whether he was charming or an asshole I really don't know. What I do know, is that the most natural and obvious thing happened. He and the au pair hooked up. Duh. Then his wife found out, and fired the au pair. My friend hired Gloria Allred and got a major settlement, really didn't have to work, so went looking for her next rich guy.

Of course the guy would want to fuck her, and of course she would want to let him (see Clinton, Bill) and of course the wife would be upset. But only in America could she then sue them and not be called a working girl, but a victim. (and I kinda like her).

[JjBee62]

Dude you totally missed my point. I could care less if she was disgusted with me, why the personal attack? Maybe she had a session with you and felt put off by maid offers. You see how that is uncalled for? Did you even bother reading the previous post about the maid sending money to her boyfriend and how that might not be the best idea. Listen, you do not know me nor do know you. I would never hire her period. Read the post beforehand before you start to insult people you do not know.

If you're able to assume that the girls are disgusted by most of their customers, which pretty much means everyone on ISG, why is it improper for someone to float the possibility that a girl might be disgusted by you? Is it just everyone else here who is disgusting, with you being the only exception?

Mr. E's point is perfectly valid. Why would you try to turn a hooker into a housekeeper? Why would you expect a hooker to jump at the chance to become a housekeeper for a complete stranger? Perhaps there's a reason why she's not already a housekeeper. Maybe she hates cleaning. Maybe she can't stomach cleaning toilets. Perhaps she realizes there is absolutely no upside to becoming a maid.

While being a hooker has it's drawbacks, it at least allows her to dream. Every hooker in Medellin knows of some girl who went off to live with some rich customer. Each one knows someone who gets expensive gifts, trips to exotic places and lots of money. How often do you think that happens to maids in Colombia?

If being a maid in Colombia is so fantastic, any woman should jump at the opportunity, why haven't you started your own maid service? You could clean houses for gringos and get all those wonderful benefits for yourself.

[JjBee62]

Hey guys, long time lurker here. I have read almost this thread and the Bogota one. I currently live in Mexico, in my mid 20's and work remote. I was planning on heading to Colombia to cut down living costs and to date better looking women. I do p4p about 5-6 times a year mostly because I'm a cheap bastard. Prices in Colombia seem very low though.

Any recommendations for someone who wants to date normal women (non p4p) and wants options for cheap sex to supplement normal dating?

Paying 50 k for a quickie at centro seems tempting but it doesn't seem like a good area to stay, I plan to stay for 3-6 months and then move on to another country. I was thinking of renting an apartment in Laureles, is this a suitable area for p4p too? (I don't plan to pay more than $50 per session).

I would say my total monthly budget overall is $1000, but trying to keep it as low as possible as long as I can rent an apartment to myself with a kitchen in a not so bad location and have sex around 2-3 times a week at least. I don't drink, do drugs or party..

Well, if I could go back in time and talk to my mid 20's self, and I had the possibility to work remotely (not as common 35 years ago, I'd have some simple advice.

First I'd tell myself to start learning Spanish, but you've already got that covered. Then I'd tell myself to take some classes and improve my dance skills.

After that I wouldn't even worry about P4P, except if I happened to get bored. At your age, fluent in Spanish, you're a hot commodity in Medellin. If you can dance, you'll draw women like flies, except there aren't many flies in Medellin.

Food is cheap in Colombia, especially if you stick to basics and cook for yourself. The hard part will be finding an apartment that maximizes your bang per buck. Local transportation is cheap as well.

If you focus on the non-pros, you'll probably be kept busy enough to keep your mind off P4P. And you can probably cut that average date cost as well.

[SavePros321]

Instead of claiming the girls are stupid because they won't let you scam them, why don't you do something smarter? If you're looking for a maid, go to an employment agency that provides maids. If you're looking for someone to pay for sex, go find a prostitute. If you're looking for someone to buy clothes for, go find yourself a girlfriend.

That's exactly I read the OP's post. Good summary JJ!

We should file that guy's post under "stuff broke troll-mongers say", LOL!

[MarquisdeSade1]

Thanks a bunch.

I suggest this place, my fault I just don't carry my passport, I took it out of the safe and put it back in 5 minutes before I went to the lab.

I was hoping I didn't need it, here's some background.

When I got my PCR test in Chicago, I went with zero ID, I walk in the guy asks nose or mouth with the swab? I say mouth, he asks do you want to do it or me? I say me of course.

I put it on the tip of my tongue for a millisecond, and hand it back to him, wishful thinking led me to leave the passport behind, I worried more about losing it than needing it.

BTW they do stick the swab up your nose I was shocked? WTF jajajaaa.

I recd the Moderna vax last summer.

I hope they drop the testing shit soon and the mask for flying.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cru...july-4-holiday

[SureMan]

I just booked my ticket from Guyana to Miami at a cost of 601.

From Miami cost is 291.

Arriving in Miami at around 12 noon.

Leaving Miami at 540 pm arriving at 804 pm.

Have made arrangements for a taxi pick up for 80.000 peso to San Peter apartment.

Seem like a good price as this is my first trip to Medellin.

My 60th birthday is 9th July.

So hope to meet up some guys for some drinks.

Sureman.

[Ruddock1]

Had a great time in Centro. Arrived around 12. Walked the circuit plenty of times to get oriented. Realized where the intersection of 52 and 52 was. This is my kind of set up. Similar to Pattaya except it's a square. Tons of girls. Low rates. Had a short stay at and enjoyable interlude with a 21 year old flaca de Venezuela. Very nice girl. Wanted to do it more even after I finished quickly. Did what I could but at 54. I'm. Not a young buck anymore. Lots of girls making eye contact the whole time. It took me hours to pick the right one. But could have been happy with at least 8 of the girls within the first hour of arrival. There are underage girls there. Be careful. People were friendly. Weed all over. Trannies. Bullshit artists. People trying to make a buck. I stayed about four hours. Going tomorrow for more fun.

[Osteoknot]

The Colombia Migracion form for entry into the country has changed. They are now asking whether you have been vaccinated or not, and whether you have a record of it.

I think we made this call weeks ago. Thanks for the post. The handwriting is on the wall. Did you see this headline story in the Wall Street Journal earlier this month? South America is considered the hotbed for Covid in the world right now. I think we will see return of travel restrictions for another round or two before we normalize which basically equates to enough of the world getting vaccinated. The vaccine works, the proof is there already. Sorry naysayers, you will have to remove your foot from your mouth on this one. And I will not debate that issue because that would mean you are not informed enough to recognize that you have already lost this argument.

I am traveling with my vaccine record, obvio.

I had premature uploading my previous post without my usual gratuitous fotos, so here there are.

The Black&White foto es mi novia, also known as Catgirl who gets some bonafide petite modeling jobs except she has gotten lazy around my USD's, that's fine with me.

That's Secret flashing the gang signs and she does consider herself a Bello gangster. I would not suggest getting on her bad side. She also rocks the Victoria's Secret underwear, which is where I got her name.

The next foto are my two favorite sisters to fuck at the same time. Last time I was drilling the one in bed in side spooning position while her sister sat on the edge of the bed and carried on a normal converstion as if nothing unusual was going on, jajaja total turn on.

The next foto is a girl I flew to Cali to fuck which usually I won't do considering the unlimited supply of trim in MDE, but her body is 9. 5, including her breasts that don't show in that foto, and she let me stay in her apartment which was cool. Notice the little bag of pink accidentally stuck to the back of her leg, jajaja we were looking for that and first noticed it in the foto.

The last foto is a pussy from a girl I picked up in Cali same trip. She was a window washer girl at a busy intersection, and not trying to sell trim on the side. This was obvious because of all the time it took me to extract her from her posse of friends at the corner, so it did NOT appear as though she was leaving with me to go have sex for money. That just made it more fun, and look at that pussy. Tight, clean, relatively low mileage, and definitely did the trick even though I was wearing an industrial strength Colombian condom. Ostee pearl #412, bring your condoms with you from the USA or wherever. The difference between a high quality and low quality condom is like night and day. For those of you who see condoms as a boner killers, two words. Trojan Gold. Yes, expensive, but worth it. Just try it and get back to me.

[MistaDynamite]

I took an Uber late in the afternoon here, I get there in the pouring rain jump out and they wouldn't let me in without my passport, this was at 3 pm they close at 4 pm.

So I returned the next day at 3 pm with my passport, they said I would have to return in the morning for the printed results, I returned in the morning again without my passport.

And they didn't want to give me the results w / o my passport, I explained I would miss my flight, and they gave me the results.

They are right around the corner from Zandaly casa.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Centrolab+I. P.S. / at 6. 254787,-75.5633598,15 z / data=!4 m5!3 m4!1 s0 x0:0 x3813 b3 f6 c843 ee3 b!8 m2!3 d6. 254787!4 d-75.5633598.

Post-script bring your passport.

Thanks a bunch.

[Osteoknot]

While I agree with this for the most part. I do think is it more common in Colombia for men to be fucking their maids, secretaries and so on than in the US where such things are frowned upon and even illegal and often can come back when relationships go sideways, and lead to the downfall of people in higher positions. I have seen this girl that works cleaning houses 2-3 times a week, she gets paid 80 mil for a full days work (what she told me). I was giving her 150 mil for a couple of hours but of course I was not there all the time, and I know she does the same with other mongers as well. But she uses this more to augment her income as a maid than replace it, I could never figure out why not just working girl a little more as the 80 mil wasn't much. I asked her directly once and she said well she likes cleaning houses and thinks hard work is good for her, and also that's what her daughter thinks she does for a living. So they all have their reasons, and I don't mess with that or try and use my financial position to change the status quo.

All I know though is if I was living there, she would be cleaning my house. Jajaja.

The cultural differences embrace behaviors here (in Medellin) that would be politically inocorrect at the very least, more often clearly illegal in the USA. I am thinking of George in that Seinfeld episode when he is banging the maid in his office at the New York Yankees Stadium and later when he is sitting across the desk from is superior getting fired, he claims not to know that sort of behavior was frowned upon. If George was in Medellin, no problema, jajajaja.

You also illustrated an excellent example of why all women who accept money for sex are NOT the same in Colombia. The best ones, for me, are like your housekeeper, who have a full time job. But my reach and goals are different from a short stay, one time visitor, since my long term goal is dual residency. I feel your skepticisim, 80 mil COP per day sounds a little high to me for your maid's baseline salary. My Number Two chica Amazonia works full time in one of the four star hotels in Poblado and she makes 250 a week, working 6 days, some of her days are 12 hours. There isn't any such thing as employee rights and they work her hard all the time because there are so many other Colombianas waiting in tbe wings for her job.

If any of these chicas can find a steady gringo to fuck 1.5 times per week (jeje), that basically doubles their quality of life. Salmon instead of tuna. Porterhouse instead of hamburger. AND most of these girls have a kid, and nothing motivates a young mom to go out and sell her wet holes than believing her bambino needs some medicine or clothing. Finally, as you intimated, these girls don't want to be viewed as sex workers because of family and friends. I am not casting aspersions in the direction of any El Centro skank. There is something wonderfully dedicated and "pure" about those chicas, without the smokescreen. Medellin is a morgasbord of options for meeting and fucking girls, prepago and not, more options and variety here than anywhere I have been in the world. I would love to hear it if you know of someplace that beats Medellin for that.

Whenever I have the time I post gratuitous fotos. My readership enjoys them. If it bugs you, then put me on your Ingore List by all means. I have this feeling inside me that another penis picture or two is way past due so consider yourself forewarned, jajajaja.