Medellin Reports

[GeneHickman]

No, I have not been vaxed. Haven't been home since New Year, and not really interested in the vax, anyway.
I woke up today feeling fine. Congestion has improved, and fatigue is gone.


Thanks to all for the comments, advice, & info. Not something I want to spend a half a day researching on Google!

That is just not cool bro. Even if you "feel fine" you could be carrying covid19 virus in your nasopharyngeal cavity especially so close from symptoms onset and then spread it via respiratory droplets. So waiting the time like JJb or getting the PCR test to know you have cleared is the only safe way to do it. Otherwise you could inadvertently infect someone and that person could be dead a couple weeks later. You may never even know about it, but like I said, do you want that karma. Anyway, I think everyone has said their bit, just be smart. And re the vaccine, its been over a year and over 3 B doses given worldwide. Do you not want to be part of the solve so we can return to pre Covid times? Do your part.

[Knowledge]

It's more about traffic than distance in my opinion. In the middle of the night the trip takes 15 to 20 minutes. I can take twice that long during rush hour. Savvy drivers cut through Little Caracas up the hill from San Diego to avoid the backups on La Oriental.

Parque Lleras is in Poblado. From Parque Lleras to El Centro is about 5 miles. From the south end of Poblado add about 4 more miles.

[Black Page]

Not at all. I do not know shit about viruses or medicine, but I do know English and I know how to read and understand it. What I stated is from what is said on the CDC website (my reason for putting in quotation what I directly copied and pasted and saying this stuff from the CDC) and has nothing to do with my thoughts, beliefs, or self-confidence. So if there is a dispute, take it up with them. I do not have a dog in the fight.

Ok. So I adjust my first words as "You SEEM to lecture on a topic. ".

You have read the CDC text. You have noted the "may" and "can". They are there, because of what I tried to explain. They do not write as "Being vaccinated does not stop you from spreading the virus" or "Being vaccinated stops you from spreading the virus". They write as "Being vaccinated MAY stop you from contracting or spreading the virus. ", where "may" means "it's possible".

The short story is that there is evidence that vaccines protect also from contracting, to some extent, but to what extent it is still not known. Most likely, to a lower degree than from falling sick, but there is some protection.

The reason why I am persistent in this is that we read too often the bullshit "If I don't get vaxxed it's my problem if I get sick, others should not tell me what to do, because however vaxxed or not I still spread the virus around, and for them it is the same". NO, it is NOT the same.

The truth is that not all infectious diseases behave the same. Therefore, only empirical evidence will help to understand.

[Golfinho]

No, I have not been vaxed. Haven't been home since New Year, and not really interested in the vax, anyway. One buddy has been vaxed, and both have had COVID. One got it a year ago, so he's not 100% confident, and doesn't want to spend his vacation quarantined,
Based on JjBee62's terrible experience and information, it seems any test I do in the next 24 hours would come back positive. Thus, maybe I need to just make the decision based on how I feel!

If you think you have it, get tested immediately. If you get a positive test result: wait exactly 14 days, then have doctor certify you recovered. Then, with the test result together with the doctor cert, you can travel without need to test for the next 90 days! For doc: Las Vegas Clinic in Poblado, Dr. Mauricio Alvarado. He specializes in covid. Walk in, $50 and he has you covered. Too many people talking out their ass on the forum. But, if you have it, thing to do is check into the best hotel you can afford for a week, one with proper infrastructure, room service and decent restaurant. Get some doloff. Even if its nothing but the fricking flu, with your immune system fighting covid, you are susceptible to picking up something else that can fuck you up. And face it, the casa rooms -- airless, fetid -- are full of virus. Don't think for a second the chicks don't have it. And if you think they'd tell you then you're a fool. Doctor Mauricio has some advice on that: no Colombian will tell you they have or had it.

[Osteoknot]

This is word for word, no translation required because she is fluent in English. I can't believe it has been almost two years already. The auto editor here changes some words automatically, I was not calling her a "working girl" jajaja.

{2:34 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: Love, I have an emergency, can you send me money?

{2:37 PM, 10/01/2019} Barbara Bogot: Please.

{2:39 PM, 1/10/2019} My information: not a peso, not a dime.

{2:40 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: Thank you.

{2:40 PM, 10/1/2019} My information: If we had already met and I liked you, if your holes were tight and sweet, maybe.

{2:41 PM, 10/1/2019} Barbara Bogot: I need 100 pesos, I'm very sick, please help.

{2:44 PM, 10/1/2019} My information: Are you really asking for 100 pesos?

{2:45 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: Okay, I don't bother you.

{2:46 PM, 1/10/2019} My information: What I mean is that that amount is so small that I can't even send that amount. That is roughly. 03 cents American, you must mean more.

{2:46 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: 100,000 love.

{2:47 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: I have strong migraines and I want to go to the doctor to help me I have 3 days without eating because the headache is so strong that I can't even eat.

{2:49 PM, 1/10/2019} My information: Migraines are horrible, but I have heard all the working girl tricks and lies from girls like you before and I think you are a lying * just like the rest of them.

{2:49 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: Okay Thank you.

{2:51 PM, 10/1/2019} My information: But if you promise never to ask for money again, I will send it to you and we will still see each other to fuck. Of course, fucking is a separate arrangement. I don't expect you to do it all for free but I will ask for some extras.

{2:52 PM, 10/1/2019} Barbara Bogot: I promise not to do it anymore, I don't usually do this but I am desperate since I can't work and the migraine is very horrible I am crying from the pain for 3 days.

{2:54 PM, 1/10/2019} My information: I will send it Western Union. I need your exact name as it appears on the government ID that you will use to collect the money.

{2:55 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: Thank you my love, really.

{2:55 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: The name is XXXXXXX XXXXXXX XXXXX.

{2:56 PM, 1/10/2019} My information: I have never been told the truth from any of you girls about needing money, I have heard it all from sick mothers to sick children, for birthdays, for travel to funerals, but it is worth paying you this small amount knowing you will not ask me again and knowing you will feel like you owe me when we fuck you will spread your holes extra wide open.

{2:56 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: I will do that and more.

{2:59 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: I can only tell you that in this world of porn there are many bad and experienced people, I cannot say that I am not like that since you do not believe me but I only wait for the moment in that we can meet to prove the person that I am, maybe not to have a relationship but to create a bond of complicity and friendship, and that brings confidence, is little by little but I will succeed.

{3:02 PM, 1/10/2019} My information: Wait, I'll try to send the money now, it will take several minutes. Then you will need the tracking number. My number one working girl is in bed next to me right now. I hope you are happy because she is watching everything I do. Of course now I'm going to have to give this working girl twice as much money as I give you, hahahaha.

{3:03 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: Ok love, I'm waiting for you.

{3:05 PM, 10/1/2019} My information: I'll say one thing, you talk and write better than most sluts. You have a brain in your head. But you're still a working girl to me who does what working girls naturally do that is ask for money for doing nothing.

{3:11 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: And I'll always be your working girl.

{3:11 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: That won't change.

{3:11 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: I just won't be an empty working girl.

{3:13 PM, 1/10/2019} My information: wait.

{3:14 PM, 1/10/2019} My information: I'm doing it.

{3:14 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: Yes love.

{3:19 PM, 10/1/2019} My information: OK very important we get your name exactly right or they will not release the money.

{3:24 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: Yes love.

{3:24 PM, 10/1/2019} My information: I'm sure that a liar working girl like you is already familiar with the process, but I'll tell you anyway:

{3:26 PM, 10/1/2019} My information: The tracking number is XXX XXX XXXX.

{3:26 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: And whoever sends love will ask me.

{3:27 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: Thank you my love.

{3:27 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: I am the luckiest lying working girl.

{3:27 PM, 10/1/2019} My information: The exact amount is 150,000 COP. I gave you extra because in my experience, working girls are too stupid to know how much they need.

{3:28 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogot: Thank you daddy.

{3:29 PM, 10/1/2019} My information: With a 1% chance you are telling the truth, I hope you feel better. Migraines are horrible.

{3:30 PM, 10/1/2019} Barbara Bogota: Migraines are hereditary and as my mother suffered too, they are even accompanied by vomiting.

{3:30 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogota: Thank you love.

{3:31 PM, 1/10/2019} My info: In exchange for this favor, when we finally meet, I will expect you to fall to your knees and start sucking before we ever exchange any words.

{3:31 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogota: This will be my love.

{3:32 PM, 1/10/2019} My info: I am serious, I will open the hotel door and if one word leaves your mouth before you drop to your knees and start sucking, I close the door on your face and send you home without taxi fare.

{3:31 PM, 1/10/2019} Barbara Bogota: Your working girl will not disappoint you, I will do as I am told.

She did exactly that.

[JjBee62]

You lecture on a topic that has not been understood yet by top virology scientists and schools, and you do that exhibiting such a self-confidence like if you were stating demonstrated theorems. All this matter has still to be understood, and science does it starting from empirical facts.

Indeed, there is some evidence that being vaccinated, that is having some immunity, DOES protect to some extent also from being infected. Otherwise, how could one / we even mention herd immunity?

To what extent, it has still to be assessed. Vaccines have been out for less than one year. Nothing. To make the matter even more complex to assess, variants are more or less resistant. The system is quickly changing, before we understand the parameters.

The origin of your claim, very common around, is that statistical facts in vaccine trials and mass vaccinations have been mostly collected by counting those who fell sick, not doing a PCR to all those who were vaccinated (impossible in practice).
Most plausible conjecture is that vaccines protect to a less extent from infection, than from falling seriously sick, but this does not mean that there is no protection against infection..

This all makes perfect sense to me, which means someone is going to come along saying it's all garbage because of something they read from a guy who never took a science class.

Now let me throw a wrench at it.

I (vaccinated) caught Covid (most likely) from my brother, even though I probably was only within 6 feet of him for under a minute while he was contagious. I was probably contagious for nearly 3 weeks (unaware I was infected for the first 2+ weeks). During that time I spent at least 8 hours within 6 feet of 3 women and 2 hours in that range with a fourth, plus 2 hours having sex with a fifth. Only one has become infected. She was the one of the first 3 who had the lowest average distance from me.

Had I known of my infection, 1 less person would have been infected (assuming she won't infect anyone during her infectious period. If I had not been vaccinated, I probably would have been tested sooner, cancelled my trip and not infected anyone else.

On the other hand, if, being vaccinated, I had been asymptomatic, I would have been in closer contact with several other women, possibly infecting more, who could pass on the infection.

While the vaccine does reduce the chance of spread, it is not a perfect solution. There will be situations where, on a local scale, a vaccinated person will infect more people than if they were unvaccinated.

To try to make it clearer let's talk seatbelts. Seatbelts save lives. If you compare 100,000 accidents where everyone wore a seatbelt with 100,000 accidents where nobody wore a seatbelt, the benefits are obvious and undeniable. However, there are accidents where people die because they were wearing a seatbelt.

It's simple. For the overall public good, the more people who get vaccinated (and wear seatbelts) the better. But on the micro scale, for a small number of people, getting vaccinated (or wearing a seatbelt) will make things worse.

[MarquisdeSade1]

I know man, it is Karma. Unless it's family or wifey, no more bruh. Do as you please. After you nut feel free to stick 20 inches of your foot down their throat, I'm done caring LOL.

I'm in a strip club in the US waiting for a puta in the back room, I'm sitting at the bar the place is empty, she texts me saying she will be out in 2 minutes.

I did her several times in the past, so I see she starts walking towards me and WHAM it happens, she sits down with some old guy I didn't even notice sitting in the corner.

I was like WTF? She was smoking hot A true 10.

So instead of just leaving because I'm pissed, I walk up to the table and say what are you doing, and she says I'm talking to this gentleman, don't be rude! Jajajaja.

I was furious, not offended or hurt just pissed, I'm guessing he didn't even take her.

She probably just thought she could try to snag him and get still get me jajaja.

She was a solid 10 and she fucking knew it.

I blocked her number and didn't go back to that club for a few years.

[Mr Enternational]

You lecture on a topic that has not been understood yet by top virology scientists and schools, and you do that exhibiting such a self-confidence like if you were stating demonstrated theorems.

Not at all. I do not know shit about viruses or medicine, but I do know English and I know how to read and understand it. What I stated is from what is said on the CDC website (my reason for putting in quotation what I directly copied and pasted and saying this stuff from the CDC) and has nothing to do with my thoughts, beliefs, or self-confidence. So if there is a dispute, take it up with them. I do not have a dog in the fight.

[Black Page]

Quick question for a first timer in MDE. How far is it from centro to Lleras and then to Poblado? Just trying to get some perspective. Thanks.

What about Google Maps?

[Black Page]

How is that? Being vaccinated does not stop you from contracting or spreading the virus.

You lecture on a topic that has not been understood yet by top virology scientists and schools, and you do that exhibiting such a self-confidence like if you were stating demonstrated theorems. All this matter has still to be understood, and science does it starting from empirical facts.

Indeed, there is some evidence that being vaccinated, that is having some immunity, DOES protect to some extent also from being infected. Otherwise, how could one / we even mention herd immunity?

To what extent, it has still to be assessed. Vaccines have been out for less than one year. Nothing. To make the matter even more complex to assess, variants are more or less resistant. The system is quickly changing, before we understand the parameters.

The origin of your claim, very common around, is that statistical facts in vaccine trials and mass vaccinations have been mostly collected by counting those who fell sick, not doing a PCR to all those who were vaccinated (impossible in practice).
Most plausible conjecture is that vaccines protect to a less extent from infection, than from falling seriously sick, but this does not mean that there is no protection against infection.

I prevent a wrong claim: immunity from vaccine is stronger and more effective than from having been sick. At least this is a well known fact, demonstrated for most vaccines that have been used so far. There is some good reason that justifies that, because of how a vaccine works.

In conclusion: vaccinating say 90% of a population DOES protect also the 10% who could not be vaccinated, or (shame on them) refused it. The bad thing is that we will be never able to vaccinate 90% of world population.

[JjBee62]

I was supposed to meet up with a chick in Bogota today. Yesterday she told me that we could meet up sometime after noon today and I said ok. I hit her up at 10am today to ask what time we were going to get together. She said she thought me saying ok meant no. In what the fuck world does saying ok mean no? So if I wanted to mean ok what would I have had to say? I say what I mean. I don't say shit in a secret code for you to figure out and assume what I mean. Dealing with stupid mfs like this makes me want to be monogamous.

While there's no sure fire way, because chicas are going to be chicas, try something like "Te vere a la 1 mas o menos manaña. Esta bien? Confirmare la hora en la mañana.

I will see you around 1 tomorrow, okay? I'll confirm the time in the morning.

That won't guarantee she's going to show, but it ensures she understands your intent.

That's in my rules to live by, along with always confirming the girl is talking pesos and not dollars.

[Vewdew]

Quick question for a first timer in MDE. How far is it from centro to Lleras and then to Poblado? Just trying to get some perspective. Thanks.

From El Centro to LLeras its about 5 km or 3.1 Miles, from Poblado to El Centro its closer but not by much, I would say 4.8 Km or 3 Miles. Hope this helps.

[JjBee62]

Quick question for a first timer in MDE. How far is it from centro to Lleras and then to Poblado? Just trying to get some perspective. Thanks.

Parque Lleras is in Poblado. From Parque Lleras to El Centro is about 5 miles. From the south end of Poblado add about 4 more miles.

[Mr Enternational]

The "betrayal" situation is quite easy to understand if you accept one of the cultural idiosyncrasies of Colombians. They don't like to say "no."

This applies not only to chicas, but to most Colombians. Giving a direct "no" goes against their nature.

I was supposed to meet up with a chick in Bogota today. Yesterday she told me that we could meet up sometime after noon today and I said ok. I hit her up at 10am today to ask what time we were going to get together. She said she thought me saying ok meant no. In what the fuck world does saying ok mean no? So if I wanted to mean ok what would I have had to say? I say what I mean. I don't say shit in a secret code for you to figure out and assume what I mean. Dealing with stupid mfs like this makes me want to be monogamous.

[Mr Enternational]

Anyone refusing the vaccine at this point, considering 3,5000,000,000 shots have been given safely with a profound effect in the spread of the disease, is not only a selfish POS but a public health threat.

How is that? Being vaccinated does not stop you from contracting or spreading the virus. It only stops you from getting seriously ill and dying. A person with or without the vaccine is the same public heath threat. So the only person that someone could be hurting because they did not get the vaccine is themselves.

"COVID 19-vaccines are effective. They can keep you from getting and spreading the virus that causes COVID-19. COVID-19 vaccines also help keep you from getting seriously ill even if you do get COVID-19. Getting vaccinated yourself may also protect people around you.

This stuff from the CDC says can and may. It does not say will. If that was the case then Jj, who has already been vaccinated, would not have needed to be quarentined the other day after he tested positive for the virus.