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Being vaccinated reduces your peak viral load, which means that there is less free virus floating around in your respiratory system, which means that when you cough fewer viral particles will be ejected, which makes it less likely that someone will get infected. In other words, vaccination absolutely makes a difference on both the giving and receiving ends.
The group of people whoare not vaccinated despite having the means and opportunity are, as a whole, partly responsible for the continuation of the pandemic and deaths of thousands. It's so selfish and entitled, there are countless millions in Colombia who would do almost anything to get a vaccine and so many privileged westerners decide not to get it. Sad.

One of the best posts on this forum. Clear, well said, and straight to the point. Kudos for you.

If you have the vaccine YOUR chances are reduced on the receiving side, but they are the same as those without the vaccine on the giving side.

Mr. E, on many topics you make very reasonable statements. Trust me: your statement above is 100% wrong instead. It is a medical fact, not an opinion. Saying a triangle has 4 sides is not a matter of opinions. It is wrong, period.

Contributing to spreading wrong facts may have serious consequences, because some people may believe it, just because expressed well, then harm themselves and others.

[Just Incognito]

Exactly. Therefore to brand people without the vaccine with a scarlet letter is absurd. The only way to give it is if you got it. You can get it and give it whether you are vaccinated or not. If you have the vaccine YOUR chances are reduced on the receiving side, but they are the same as those without the vaccine on the giving side. They don't say if you don't get the vaccine you are going to give covid to someone. They don't say if you do get the vaccine you can not give covid to someone. You get the vaccine to protect yourself, not for you to protect other people.

But if you are vaccinated your ability to transmit the virus is reduced greatly!

Vaccinated people are part of the solution. Non-vaccinated people, right now, are the problem.

Just accept that, own it, and make whatever decision you make knowing that. Its an undeniable fact. And its people's right to be part of the problem since the vaccines aren't mandated.

My hope: All nations and airlines / ships / public transports will only allow properly vaccinated people to pass through their borders or get on their planes / trains / mode of transport. The exceptions only being: provably recently recovered cases or people who can somehow prove immunity to covid-19.

I have been to places where a yellow fever vaccine was mandated or I could not enter. Same should be with covid at all border crossings and public gatherings of more than 50 people.

You have a right not to be vaccinated, and govts. Should have the right to exclude you from public gatherings if you choose to not be vaccinated IMO.

Also, If the US just took 5% of it military budget for 1 year and shifted it to vaccine production and development--the whole planet could probably be vaccinated with a year or 2--and the USA would have a lot more peace if it did this.

Okay, back to chicas: I've had 2 of my Medellin girls ask if they could come stay with me for the next 3 months or so just so they could get vaccinated! True story. 1 chick said if I paid for her flight and supported her where I live for 3 months (how long you have to be where I am to be fully vaccinated) she would arrive with std papers showing she was clean (and I would have to show her my tests) and we could be barebacking anything goes the whole time she is with me.

All she wants: I pay for her expenses, she gets vaccinated-so I help her through the system I am in, and I give her 1000 dollars total for the 3 months--she asked this just so she could pay her bills and help her family while she is gone. Its basically 10 bucks a day plus a 400 dollar flight and I get a hot 28 year old, no kid, gorgeous blond paisa in my bed for 3 months. Yet, I am debating it because it would be hard to hide that from my community and could create other potential dramas, or go sour. Plus, if I want to go somewhere in the next 3 months--I will be locked in with her here. This story gives an example of how desperate and desirous to get vaccinated many Colombianas are. Tis girl just wants to get away from Colombia for some time and have a vacation as well. I may pull the trigger--we are still deciding.

[Just Incognito]

Being vaccinated reduces your peak viral load, which means that there is less free virus floating around in your respiratory system, which means that when you cough fewer viral particles will be ejected, which makes it less likely that someone will get infected. In other words, vaccination absolutely makes a difference on both the giving and receiving ends.

The group of people whoare not vaccinated despite having the means and opportunity are, as a whole, partly responsible for the continuation of the pandemic and deaths of thousands. It's so selfish and entitled, there are countless millions in Colombia who would do almost anything to get a vaccine and so many privileged westerners decide not to get it. Sad.

Yes, exactly!

I think of getting vaccinated as the same as volunteering to go to war after Pearl Harbor. True patriots went, took a risk, and stood up to a very bad thing for the sake of their country and the world. Other people stayed home, cowered, complained and did nothing to help win WW2.

People getting vaccinated are patriots standing up, taking a small risk, for the greater good. People refusing the vaccine: the selfish ones who stay home and let other people fight the bad guys for them--while pretending they are doing so because they somehow know more than the top scientists who have dedicated their lives to this stuff.

I have had a couple of my Medellin girls comment at how pissed off / frustrated they are that they are desperate for the vaccine--but can't get it, while a bunch of idiot armchair experts with no real knowledge or training refuse to be part of the solution by refusing the vaccine. If you ever wonder why there is so much animosity against America from around the world--even though America, on the whole, does more good than anyone, politicizing the pandemic and refusing the vaccines based on nothing but nonsensical conjecture is a reason why. Too many selfish Americans who just don't understand that we get vaccinated not just for ourselves--but to reduce transmission rates for everyone.

[Lucky Nuts]

I'm a cheap bastard. Prices in Colombia seem very low though.

Any recommendations for someone who wants to date normal women (non p4p) and wants options for cheap sex to supplement normal dating?

The best option for cheap sex imo are the casas in el centro. During the daytime hours it's quite safe to visit these places. New Life, Chicas Amigas and Zandaly are all within a few blocks of each other and all are inexpensive. Visit often to find the hot chicas that work one day per week or maybe even less.

[Rextor]

Exactly. Therefore to brand people without the vaccine with a scarlet letter is absurd. The only way to give it is if you got it. You can get it and give it whether you are vaccinated or not. If you have the vaccine YOUR chances are reduced on the receiving side, but they are the same as those without the vaccine on the giving side. They don't say if you don't get the vaccine you are going to give covid to someone. They don't say if you do get the vaccine you can not give covid to someone. You get the vaccine to protect yourself, not for you to protect other people.

Being vaccinated reduces your peak viral load, which means that there is less free virus floating around in your respiratory system, which means that when you cough fewer viral particles will be ejected, which makes it less likely that someone will get infected. In other words, vaccination absolutely makes a difference on both the giving and receiving ends.

The group of people whoare not vaccinated despite having the means and opportunity are, as a whole, partly responsible for the continuation of the pandemic and deaths of thousands. It's so selfish and entitled, there are countless millions in Colombia who would do almost anything to get a vaccine and so many privileged westerners decide not to get it. Sad.

[Osteoknot]

Welp, looks like I have COVID. I, and many others, will probably regret this post!

Jajajajaja. You called it.

[Osteoknot]

Exactly. Therefore to brand people without the vaccine with a scarlet letter is absurd. The only way to give it is if you got it. You can get it and give it whether you are vaccinated or not. If you have the vaccine YOUR chances are reduced on the receiving side, but they are the same as those without the vaccine on the giving side. They don't say if you don't get the vaccine you are going to give covid to someone. They don't say if you do get the vaccine you can not give covid to someone. You get the vaccine to protect yourself, not for you to protect other people.

"It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt" Do yourself a favor and back out quietly. Your misunderstanding and lack of comprehension on the topic is legion.

[Combo]

Thank you for stating what many here don't appreciate. We hobbyists are, on average, more of a health threat than the average person. Having sex with many partners (who themselves have sex with many partners) is a great way to spread lots of things (and not just STDs and Covid).

While I'm clearly in favor of getting the vaccine, people are going to do what people are going to do. My uneducated opinion, considering my medical history, and the difficulties I experienced even though I'm vaccinated, is that I would be in ICU somewhere right now, with about a 5% chance of survival, if I wasn't vaccinated.

And everyone on this board is a public health threat. We're out fucking multiple partners, almost all who are unvaccinated and many are having unprotected vaginal and even anal sex. And let's not forget the recent discussion of the joys of actually eating other people's shit.

It's easy to sit on your throne and point the finger at others, but if you're mongering, you're no better than anyone else who's mongering, regardless of vaccination status. I've already proven a vaccinated person can get infected and I've proven a vaccinated person can infect someone else, even without kissing or having sex with them.

[TheBMan]

The truth is nobody knows anything yet. Just like they said you can get it easily from surfaces which turned out to be bunk. Only n95 can help you. But wait medical staff are running out so yea, those cloth masks work fine too. Oh BTW we found out it's difficult to get it from surface contact. And on and on. Let people make their own choices on what they put in their body. You got the vaccine so you're safe right? I'm 39,smoke, drink, treat my body like a dumpster and have had colds worse than covid. If you want to be the Guinea pig to a rushed vaccine that would normally take years to be studied and approved then by all means do you, but I'll wait it out.

[Mr Enternational]

The bottom line is vaccines reduce death and serious illness, and also reduce infection.

Exactly. Therefore to brand people without the vaccine with a scarlet letter is absurd. The only way to give it is if you got it. You can get it and give it whether you are vaccinated or not. If you have the vaccine YOUR chances are reduced on the receiving side, but they are the same as those without the vaccine on the giving side. They don't say if you don't get the vaccine you are going to give covid to someone. They don't say if you do get the vaccine you can not give covid to someone. You get the vaccine to protect yourself, not for you to protect other people.

[Osteoknot]

Hey guys,

After getting robbed by cops recently in Mexico, I wanted to ask if it's common in Colombia for cops to use street walkers as "bait" to try to squeeze some dollars out of you. This is very common in Mexico.

I have heard of stings using underage streetwalkers where basically you have to pay your way out of it. I have not experienced that personally. That is why you ask to see her ID if you think the girl is young, but even that is not fool proof because in a sting she can use two different ID's. The "yellow shirts" or the cops who ride bicycles had a bad rep a couple of years ago on Avenida 70 for stopping you and emptying your wallet, but that seems to have died down. That happened to a couple of my Gringo acquaintances.

You will read here, don't carry more money than you are willing to lose in a robbery. I always change that to, carry at least enough money so you can pay off the policia without having to take a trip to the station. 300 mil COP will usually suffice, of course it depends on the situation. You don't have to say anything, just hand them your wallet, they will liberate the money themselves, jaja.

Gratuitous fotos.

[Surfer500]

The "betrayal" situation is quite easy to understand if you accept one of the cultural idiosyncrasies of Colombians. They don't like to say "no."

This applies not only to chicas, but to most Colombians. Giving a direct "no" goes against their nature. This is one of the reasons why so many girls flake or show up 2 hours late. They set up to meet you at 8 pm, but they know that mom won't be home to watch the kids until 9, so they tell you yes and make excuses for 2 hours because it's easier than saying "no, I can't be there until 10.".

So true what you have brought up about Colombians not wanting to say no. They don't like conflict and are not direct as you have mentioned, and I find it maddening at times.

[Knowledge]

I suspected as much. I hope you reconsider your vaccination posture.

No, I have not been vaxed. Haven't been home since New Year, and not really interested in the vax, anyway. One buddy has been vaxed, and both have had COVID. One got it a year ago, so he's not 100% confident, and doesn't want to spend his vacation quarantined, but it sounds like he's going to roll the dice.

I woke up today feeling fine. Congestion has improved, and fatigue is gone.

Based on JjBee62's terrible experience and information, it seems any test I do in the next 24 hours would come back positive. Thus, maybe I need to just make the decision based on how I feel. I'm not trying to be an asshole, but if I feel 100% in the morning, and my buddies have no worries. I'll probably consider going out. What could go wrong? Last time I was excited to go out in Medellin, I spent two days and $1800 replacing an iPhone!

Thanks to all for the comments, advice, & info. Not something I want to spend a half a day researching on Google!

[Nounce]

You have read the CDC text. You have noted the "may" and "can". .

Like many other discussions, people generalize a specific scenario. Vaccine being not 100%, people can generalize the imperfection. The bottom line is vaccines reduce death and serious illness, and also reduce infection. There are plenty of research on these. You need to make your point from the imperfection, then people can't generalize the specific against your point unless it is false.

[ChuchoLoco]

That is just not cool bro. Even if you "feel fine" you could be carrying covid19 virus in your nasopharyngeal cavity especially so close from symptoms onset and then spread it via respiratory droplets. So waiting the time like JJb or getting the PCR test to know you have cleared is the only safe way to do it. Otherwise you could inadvertently infect someone and that person could be dead a couple weeks later. You may never even know about it, but like I said, do you want that karma. Anyway, I think everyone has said their bit, just be smart. And re the vaccine, its been over a year and over 3 B doses given worldwide. Do you not want to be part of the solve so we can return to pre Covid times? Do your part.

Very well put GH! I was maybe a little crude but your words will hopefully be taken since you put it a non confrontation way. Next time I'll count to 10 like I was told in my 1 on 1 anger management that made sense but I never do so. Hard to teach an old dog.

I hope Slap Shot doesn't get any sicker and doesn't spread the Virus to anyone.