Medellin Reports

[Osteoknot]

It was a metal fence, but in the pipe along the top there were plenty of holes for water to come out. They had water connected to one end so the "showers" sprayed onto the sidewalk. There were tons of homeless people and addicts on the block.

NO WAY IN HELL I am even walking around that way at high noon. People that are scared of Botero would just fall dead on the spot if they saw that block.

I didn't have quite the same reaction as you. Mind you, I did not jump out of my taxi to go take a tour, but I would not hesitate to walk down that street in broad daylight, which I saw more as a curiosity and public service, and not as any threat. Shows to go ya how we can interpret situations differently. Call me nuts, but I would say folks who are in the middle of bathing are preoccupied, jaja.

Your story reminded me of the time I got off a Greyhound Bus in Port Authority, New York City, when a homeless guy appeared out of the blackness of a subway tunnel. The best way I can describe his appearance is that he had on clothing but none of it was visible because he was covered in layers and sheets of brown crust, and barefooted. He smelled so bad of urine and feces that people were literally throwing coins to get him to move in a different direction. He got within 20 feet of me at a fast food counter and the odor was still overpowering. Everyone moved back. The servers shoved food and drink at him and did not take his money, they would not go near him. He smiled blithely, took his food and skulked away.

I vote for the sidewalk showers instead of it ever getting to the point of that poor soul. I will never forget his sight and smell. As tragic as anything I have seen in the Third World.

[JustTK]

He has what I call the "Burning House" argument. If someone's house catches on fire you let it burn and you don't try to put out the fire or save lives because you can't prevent all fires in the future. Obviously, a ridiculous and irrational viewpoint.

Another one that strawman's my POV. I never said we should do nothing. I was simply reflecting on the current international policy and that it is not going to get us where we all want to be. The vax policy is not going to eliminate the virus, the virus will mutate, and we will have to live with it. In what way does that imply I think we should do nothing or that I am privileged? It doesn't. If you think so, then you are inventing meaning to the words that I wrote.

[MarquisdeSade1]

The price of cop is dropping nicely.

Does anyone know of a cost effective way to buy cop online and have it delivered FedEx to your casa in USA?

I looked at Chase Citi and BofA and some BS online currency services but the rates are all shitty.

I would like to get 5000-10000 usd its getting close to 4000.

[Osteoknot]

]you will see Colombians with bags of water that cost 500 K

Are you saying the bags of water are safe to drink? I would like to know.

I remember the first time I saw a little bag of water in Medellin, and thinking how strange.

[MarquisdeSade1]

I've been mongering in Brazil for 7 weeks although just arrived in Colombia roughly a week ago. I quickly noticed that Relative to Rio de Janeiro, there seems to be more economic disruption here- in Bogota half the buildings are empty or for sale, and in both cities (Bog+Med), destitute people will literally beg for your scraps of food as you are leaving a restaurant. There was plenty of homelessness in Rio, but the amount of street begging, and in particular just for food by legitimately hungry people as opposed to some sort of aggressive panhandling by a street urchin- is much greater in Colombia.

My question to the experts here- pre-covid: was there the same presence of begging and desperation in the streets, or is this a new development?

A follow up question- if it is indeed the case that Colombians are suffering disproportionately- why have SW prices, particularly in Bogota seem to have risen to unrealistic levels? One would surmise the opposite to be true.

Isn't Brasil the richest country in Latin America?(GDP).

I'm guessing being "poor in a richer country" isn't as hard as being "poor in a poorer country" like say Colombia.

[RedWaters44]

Hey guys,

Hoping to get some insight from the more experienced. I recently happened to connect with 1 out of the 500,000 Colombian cam girls on CB. We're both the same age (mid 20's) and as Medellin has naturally spiked my interest from lurking this forum the past couple months, the topic of Medellin came up as we chatted away on the site. She (like many) absolutely loves the city and since she was a cool girl, I suggested I fly her out so she can join me for some partying & we fuck each other's brains out in an Airbnb. All funds on me. It would be good to have someone acquaint me to the area because I don't speak a lick of Spanish. She seemed into it and since I tipped her kind of shit on the camming site, I tried to reassure her by letting her know I could pay her (I had a 3-4 day sugar daddy scenario in mind). Not sure if our Google Translate conversation just didn't get my point across but she seemed confused and asked "why do you feel the need to pay a friend to hang out"?

I get her point but what these girls don't know is that I've also paid escorts to piss in my mouth and gulped it down with a smile.

Since we've exchanged light contact information (just Insta, nothing serious) we obviously still have time to plan the specifics of a possible trip, but I was just hoping to get some vets input on how fucking stupid of an idea this is? Being that I don't speak a lick of Spanish yet, I never planned on hanging out in Medellin too long. Since I've never been to SA the intention of the trip has always been to dip my feet in the water; a bit of partying / sight seeing, getting to know other nomads at some cultural exchange events, and maybe meeting a couple girls off Seeking Arrangements (although as you can imagine, this cam girl is such a stunner I'd honestly have no interest in any other girl in the entire country if our getaway does go through).

Would greatly appreciate any input or someone slapping some sense onto me if I'm wearing tinted glasses and this is a horrible idea. Thanks guys.

[Mr Enternational]

They are very dirty so I guess water is not easy to get, except for the old naked woman I saw sitting on the curb near Parque Bolivar one day.

Someone took a large black glad garbage bag and filled it about 50% with water, and she was sitting on the curb washing her tits ass and pussy, it was a disturbing site.

I guess she was too lazy to go down to the very public showers that they have set up only a few blocks down. And I do mean public. Noticed it the other day when me and another BM were in a taxi heading to my favorite casa.

It was a metal fence, but in the pipe along the top there were plenty of holes for water to come out. They had water connected to one end so the "showers" sprayed onto the sidewalk. There were tons of homeless people and addicts on the block.

Now I will hang out and walk around Botero Park and Raudal 24 hours, but there is NO WAY IN HELL I am even walking around that way at high noon. People that are scared of Botero would just fall dead on the spot if they saw that block.

[Member #4729]

So perhaps others here have a "take" on El Centro, and perhaps can better articulate what I am observing, as it just is getting more and more packed with girls, and mongers as well, but not in the same proportion. It's mind boggling with so many available, and seems that a lot of prettier ones have been showing up lately compared to six months ago. I used to comment on all the Venezuelan beached whales I would observe, and now that has changed as well.

So I'm curious what others think about what I have been observing.

I was in Centro today from about 2:30-4:00 and I would agree with your assessment. The last time I was in the field was right before the pandemic Dec / Jan 19/20 and the pickings were as you described. The girls today were in much greater quantity and quality-whereas before I might see one girl I would session, today I saw at least 4 or 5. Many of them nubile and slim with nice faces as opposed to the wall to wall busted mugs and donkey butts from pre-covid.

I think you nail the causality as well- the influx of Venezuelans combined with continued economic distress has created a situation where many are drawn to the profession out of sheer necessity and naturally this rises the talent level. I read an article recently that the Colombian middle class (already small) has shrunk by as much as 25% over the past year.

As for who is pulling them- I saw a lot of locals engaging, mostly on the older side. I did not see any other grino mongers today- but it was just a couple hours in one day.

[Surfer500]

[]Its bizarre and disturbing to walk down the street with a small btl of water with just a little in it, and very dirty beggars will, plead with you for it? WTF is going on.I never see water fountains anywhere, where do they get water? [/URL]

] Very rarely will you ever see a Colombian with a bottle of water in their hand, to expensive at about 2,000 K, however you will see Colombians with bags of water that cost 500 K and are sold by everyone, and lots of vendors selling water drinks.

I believe the reason water fountains don't exist is because when the infrastructure was built in most places many years ago they didn't have potable water, hence no drinking fountains.

And very few cities in Colombia do have potable drinking water, yet Medellin does, albeit sometimes it has an odor / color to it.

[Osteoknot]

Every dogma has its day especially in the field of psychology. But before Freud, the theory of an active subconscious was not known. So it's easy to forget his pure genius for its day, about a hundred years ago. The only mental health diagnosis when Freud began his career was insanity. So taken in context, his theories were revolutionary and groundbreaking. By modern standards, psychoanalysis is not relevant, practical nor an effective therapy, where "breakthroughs" are often measured in decades. Jung stood on the shoulders of Freud and labeled young daughters' sexual attraction for fathers as the Electra Complex. I named the Electra Complex in Absentia to try and make it more relevant to modern culture and broken homes. The idea that young women growing up without father figures act out in varying degrees with sexual substitution, especially in the pay for play world, is not much of a stretch. A lot of mongers can relate to it with real world experience, including every time a chica calls me Pappi or Daddy without my prompting.

[MarquisdeSade1]

I've been mongering in Brazil for 7 weeks although just arrived in Colombia roughly a week ago. I quickly noticed that Relative to Rio de Janeiro, there seems to be more economic disruption here- in Bogota half the buildings are empty or for sale, and in both cities (Bog+Med), destitute people will literally beg for your scraps of food as you are leaving a restaurant. There was plenty of homelessness in Rio, but the amount of street begging, and in particular just for food by legitimately hungry people as opposed to some sort of aggressive panhandling by a street urchin- is much greater in Colombia.

My question to the experts here- pre-covid: was there the same presence of begging and desperation in the streets, or is this a new development?

A follow up question- if it is indeed the case that Colombians are suffering disproportionately- why have SW prices, particularly in Bogota seem to have risen to unrealistic levels? One would surmise the opposite to be true.

Its bizarre and disturbing to walk down the street with a small btl of water with just a little in it, and very dirty beggars will, plead with you for it? WTF is going on.

I never see water fountains anywhere, where do they get water? They are very dirty so I guess water is not easy to get, except for the old naked woman I saw sitting on the curb near Parque Bolivar one day.

Someone took a large black glad garbage bag and filled it about 50% with water, and she was sitting on the curb washing her tits ass and pussy, it was a disturbing site.

https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/...s-gone-heaven/

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...mental-illness

[Member #4729]

One from the first world may surmise that. In Latin America and Southeast Asia, if business is bad then you raise prices to make up for the loss.

This is absolutely true- I noticed this when visiting Pattaya off season- the girls had less work and so were demanding more money- an interesting way of wagging the dog!

There is a strange sort of logic to it, but only if the whole lot of girls stick to the plan- otherwise the racket breaks down. A good contrarian indicator nonetheless, and your point about Rio being a big city is spot on as well- I didn't venture into the whole country so my sample size is limited.

I do recall that the Brazilian government was able to provide some public assistance during the pandemic and Copacabana I remember seeing some food give-aways so my general hunch is that the Brazilian government is in a better position- the recent riots in Colombia would also re-enforce this notion.

Let's always remember too that for the hardcore pro working girl it's all about the money. An uneducated girl from the country can make 300 cop in 1 hour, while it takes her brother / father a week to make that driving an uber.

[Mr Enternational]

I quickly noticed that Relative to Rio de Janeiro, there seems to be more economic disruption here- in Bogota half the buildings are empty or for sale, and in both cities (Bog+Med)

Depends on the apple. In Curitiba, Brazil there were tons of empty places with for rent and for sale signs. Rio is way bigger than Bogota and Medellin. Curitiba is smaller than Bogota and bigger than Medellin. I do not think I know any Brazilians that lost jobs due to the pandemic.

A follow up question- if it is indeed the case that Colombians are suffering disproportionately- why have SW prices, particularly in Bogota seem to have risen to unrealistic levels? One would surmise the opposite to be true.

One from the first world may surmise that. In Latin America and Southeast Asia, if business is bad then you raise prices to make up for the loss.

[Villainy]

Not worth debating any more here. I have often said, people who post have their minds made up already, it's not as if anyone here is asking whether or not they should get vaccinated. As long as we live in a free country then people are free to make bad decisions, even when it is against the greater public good. Psychologically, many if not most people with these viewpoints already feel marginalized by society for other reasons, economically, politically, religiously, other scientific fringe beliefs (he keeps bring up vivisection and patent medicines). By going against the grain of the popular common sense opinion, they feel empowered and it compensates for the other issues and internal conflicts in their fringe belief systems. Control is the issue for them, not science or outcomes or greater good. They already feel persecuted, ignored and marginalized and this is how they compensate.

Once again a quite astute observation osteo. But to me this is such a public health issue that I feel it's fair to say, if you choose not to get vaccinated, you don't get to put other vulnerable people at risk. So you can't board a plane unless maybe it's your private plane. You have to wear a mask in a public space etc. So effectively this is not about them in as much as it is about their impact on those around them. They are the reason this thing will linger. As to the rest of the world, yeah there are plenty places where the vaccine supply will catch up, and I predict enough people will either get it or get the acquired immunity by end of 2022. Yes variants pose a risk, but that risk is accelerated where it is raging wild. Most of these variants have emerged in countries where it raged, I. E. India Brazil etc. And they were not vaccinated as a population much by that time. They are random events but random event also happen with certain odds and when it's raging it's just more likely.

The voices of reason! If you read these two posts and you think you have good reason for a contrary view. Well. You're mistaken.

[GeneHickman]

Not worth debating any more here. I have often said, people who post have their minds made up already, it's not as if anyone here is asking whether or not they should get vaccinated. As long as we live in a free country then people are free to make bad decisions, even when it is against the greater public good. Psychologically, many if not most people with these viewpoints already feel marginalized by society for other reasons, economically, politically, religiously, other scientific fringe beliefs (he keeps bring up vivisection and patent medicines). By going against the grain of the popular common sense opinion, they feel empowered and it compensates for the other issues and internal conflicts in their fringe belief systems. Control is the issue for them, not science or outcomes or greater good. They already feel persecuted, ignored and marginalized and this is how they compensate.

Once again a quite astute observation osteo. But to me this is such a public health issue that I feel it's fair to say, if you choose not to get vaccinated, you don't get to put other vulnerable people at risk. So you can't board a plane unless maybe it's your private plane. You have to wear a mask in a public space etc. So effectively this is not about them in as much as it is about their impact on those around them. They are the reason this thing will linger. As to the rest of the world, yeah there are plenty places where the vaccine supply will catch up, and I predict enough people will either get it or get the acquired immunity by end of 2022. Yes variants pose a risk, but that risk is accelerated where it is raging wild. Most of these variants have emerged in countries where it raged, I. E. India Brazil etc. And they were not vaccinated as a population much by that time. They are random events but random event also happen with certain odds and when it's raging it's just more likely.