Thread: Stupid shit in Medellin
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07-16-21 19:29 #1470
Posts: 1903Well said
Originally Posted by Villainy [View Original Post]
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07-16-21 18:41 #1469
Posts: 871Originally Posted by JohnnyWalker55 [View Original Post]
Imagine this: you step out of your hotel in Bogota and are hit by a cab and have major head injuries. There are no ambulances; however, the cab driver takes you to the hospital, but there are no beds. You can't breathe on your own, but all the ventilators are being used by Covid patients. Sorry, you die.
You want to monger in Vietnam, sorry only 4% of people have been vaccinated. Kenya, 2%. There are probably three or four billion people on Earth who have not been vaccinated or who have not had the disease. If you want 'this shit to be over with' and to go back to normal where you can stroll past smiling prostitutes, then you should be lobbying your representative for more federal vaccine funding for all people on earth.
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07-16-21 18:27 #1468
Posts: 1138A few comments
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07-16-21 17:46 #1467
Posts: 799Originally Posted by JohnnyWalker55 [View Original Post]
If you don't like what they do here then why don't you go to Africa. I'm sure there are some countries over there where you can get your fill of cheap pussy and they are too poor to wear masks or concern themselves with surviving past the current day. Seems like the perfect place for a selfish fuck.
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07-16-21 16:27 #1466
Posts: 223Colombian subservience / compliance
Originally Posted by MrEnternational [View Original Post]
Honestly so tired hearing EL USO DE TAPABOCAS ES OBLIGATORIO all over Colombia, everyone who needs to be vaccinated is already, the whole world is maskless, yet the constant fear mongering and propaganda has colombians OBSESSED with tapabocas, social distance, etc. It's pretty god damn ridiculous right now.
I just want to go back to picking up non pros on the street without having to wonder what their mouth and nose look like which is pretty much a deal breaker.
The cdc (who have shown theyre buffoons, but thats the authority covid fanatics submit to) already said if you're vaccinated, no mask needed.
I ask the punk / hipsters here why theyre wearing a mask outside, they say because it's an order from the ministry of health. Yet at the same time they're protesting govt incompetence / corruption. Kind of an oxymoron. There is just a lack of critical thinking here, which would explain the constant dictatorships/lack of democracies over the past century in south america. The people here enjoy doing they they’re told; following orders
I guess this is what you deal with in the third world, a lack of common sense.
Enough with the fanaticism this shit is over with. As for me, no mask anywhere unless they tell me to in stores, lets get the ball rolling ;)
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07-16-21 14:46 #1465
Posts: 1945Originally Posted by JjBee62 [View Original Post]
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07-16-21 05:56 #1464
Posts: 4266Originally Posted by JjBee62 [View Original Post]
My position changed from early on. Covid had an early pattern, that was all that was known about it, and it broke the pattern. If you applied any of your mathematical principles to almost any other virus, you would have been wrong. Covid was different because it was man made.
Originally Posted by JjBee62 [View Original Post]
I told you all to avoid people who look sick and got mocked. Of course, then you hung around with your sick brother and got Covid. And that nonsense about how far away from him you were, if that were true, I would have been sick dozens of times. No, you were close to him, and you got it because you were stupid.
All this social distancing, hand sanitizer, wearing mask outside BS, and I said the smartest thing was to avoid sick people, and your dumb Democratic douche ass could not even follow that advice.
And then you thought you had Covid when you had a heart condition and had Covid when you thought it was something else. Throughout this, you still think you have the need to lecture. Dummy, you infected God knows how many people. Will you STFU on this topic? No one thinks you are an expert. You could not even diagnose in yourself. You are a clown.
I can see what I posted was misinterpreted. There are 750 people who have died of Covid who have had the vaccine and 4000 people who have gotten the vaccine and been hospitalized with Covid.
As for your mathematical predictions, the chance of a NFL player dying from Covid is less than 1% but vertigo rates are north of that. With the kind of vertigo I have seen, the chances of it being career ending are very real. So from a society stand point, should the NFL player get the vaccine? Yes. From an individual stand point? IMO the answer is no.
You are only looking at things from a life and death perspective. Economics matter, and that is the problem with you Democratic douches. You made Covid into this huge boogie man and insisted all the sacrifices were worthwhile when they were not. The part of medicine where the first rule of do no harm was thrown out the window, and you all just ignored all the harm you were doing.
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07-15-21 21:49 #1463
Posts: 5586Originally Posted by MrEnternational [View Original Post]
Going directly to Thailand, that's fairly easy. They were on the ball early. They did all the right things for a year, with a great deal of success. However, 3 things are currently working against them.
1. The Delta variant is much more contagious.
2. They have a very low vaccination rate.
3. Most of the vaccines given were the Sinovac vaccine which appears to be mostly ineffective against the Delta variant.
I don't know for certain, but I would suspect Thailand (Vietnam, Indonesia, etc) started relaxing restrictions somewhat shortly before the Delta variant hit the country. As we've seen again and again the waves take several weeks to develop and then rage on for several weeks, after measures to combat them are taken.
Without widespread distribution of a vaccine effective against the Delta variant, along with a return to the masks, curfews and lockdowns, they're in for a bumpy ride.
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07-15-21 21:28 #1462
Posts: 5586Originally Posted by JustTK [View Original Post]
"I never once claimed the vaccine has killed thousands."
Are you certain? Absolutely certain? Do you unequivocally stand behind that statement?
Originally Posted by JustTK [View Original Post]
You start off mentioning your wife, children and loved ones. Is it safe to assume they are not only sentient beings, but also human? Because, if your wife, children and loved ones are sentient and human, it follows that the "thousands of innocent sentient beings" were also human. Your use of the word "murdered" supports that. Since the discussion is about getting vaccinated (in your prior post you even stated "potential vaccines" am I out of line to assume you were stating thousands of people were forcibly vaccinated and killed by the process. Do you understand that is a claim that thousands have been killed by the vaccine?
It would seem 1 of 3 possibilities is at play here.
1. You're not being honest. You lack the moral integrity to acknowledge that you made a statement, which you can't defend.
2. Your grasp of English is tenuous at best and you lack the ability to understand the words you are using.
3. You simply lack the intelligence to be involved in this discussion.
I'm going to go with option number 1, although 3 is certainly tempting. However, lack of moral integrity is well supported by this:
"I really can't be bothered to read the rest of your diatribe if you can't even get the first premise correct. ".
You see, part of that nasty moral integrity is that you don't discount something without reading it first. It would be similar to writing a terrible review of a restaurant which you've never visited, solely because you don't like someone who works there.
This is a regular occurrence with you and I expect you're incapable of better behavior. Your other post lends credence to my claim. In it you claim we're in agreement about the long term effectiveness of the vaccine, yet that's a gross misunderstanding of my view on the subject. You support avoiding vaccination because long term effectiveness is unknown. Sorry, you appear to claim that the uncertainty of long term effectiveness is a valid reason to avoid vaccination. I don't. I've spelled it out in intricate detail. Yet you lack the honesty to address my statements.
You can continue with this as long as you wish, or until you contract Covid and you stop posting (either through incapacity or the inability to admit the flaws in your position). I made a valid effort to steer this to a respectful discussion. However, you again demonstrated your lack of moral integrity by refusing the possibility of a respectful discussion.
Unless I get bored and just want to poke fun at the mentally disadvantaged, I'll leave you to your psychosis.
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07-15-21 20:30 #1461
Posts: 1903Non-Sequitur
Originally Posted by MrEnternational [View Original Post]
Yes, in general terms there has been quite a divide between Repubs and Dems in the US in matters of Covid, though of course their are individual exceptions in both camps. The former generally has fought us every step of the way. First it was just the "Kung Flu" and a left wing hoax to sabotage Trump re-election chances. Then the numbers were faked, hospitals lying about the cause of deaths in order to rip off Medicare. Of course the fact that deaths were spiking in many countries where no such incentive exists never crossed their minds. Then it's masks, social distancing, and "lockdowns" don't work. Or that it's unconstitutional, even though people are often required to wear clothes in public, and our movements are restricted all the time, like at traffic lights or with prohibitions on demonstrations without permits. Not to mention that the Supreme Court in the past has upheld forced quarantines of TB patients. But where do we wind up? Well of course, with anti-vaxxers as they are intent on fighting us every step of the way. Plus right wing media needs hot button issues to spin in their propaganda hours because that's how they draw a crowd and make money. Listen to them in their own words, Fox and Newsmax, which further confirms as ludicrous, your claim that none of this is political.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/media/202...s/coronavirus/
https://logicallyfallacious.com/logi...s/Non-Sequitur
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07-15-21 18:01 #1460
Posts: 316Well said
Originally Posted by MrEnternational [View Original Post]
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07-15-21 17:52 #1459
Posts: 871Originally Posted by MrEnternational [View Original Post]
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07-15-21 17:38 #1458
Posts: 17440Originally Posted by PVMonger [View Original Post]
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07-15-21 17:09 #1457
Posts: 1903Well
Originally Posted by PVMonger [View Original Post]
"The problem with this reasoning is that it avoids engaging with the issue at hand, and instead shifts attention to extreme hypotheticals. ".
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope
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07-15-21 16:32 #1456
Posts: 5586Why Covid infections are on the rise again.
I just saw a story that Bogota is back in the red with ICU capacity at 84%. I expect Medellin will be there soon. Many places in the US have seen the number of new infections triple in recent weeks. This trend is likely to continue, at least in the US and probably Colombia as well.
If you're shocked, or grasping for reasons why this could be happening now, it's easy to explain. We've already done it once.
If you go back to March-April 2020, what was happening in the US and Colombia? Communities were mandating masks and social distancing, gatherings were prohibited, travel was restricted, people were asked to stay home except for essential trips, many employers, when able, had employees work from home, schools were all closed. In simpler terms, we took the recommended steps to limit the spread of the virus. In the US we did this for almost 5 weeks.
It was effective. New infections started dropping, number of deaths and hospitalizations peaked and began to fall. If we had continued for 2 more weeks, last summer probably would have been much better. Instead, after 4 weeks, people, including people in power, began to demand all those precautions end. Armed protesters even stormed one state capitol. People argued for open bars and restaurants, reopening schools and removing masks. Over the next 7 weeks the number of cases more than tripled.
At that point there was some pushback. Masks became common again, more stores began controlling customer entry, more restrictions were placed on gatherings. Which brought us to our second dip, in August and early September, still twice as high as the lowest point of the first dip, but an improvement.
And then we reopened the schools. There was a strong push to return everything back to normal. Masks were compared to The Holocaust, blah, blah, blah. Between September and January the daily number of new cases increased 1,000%. We went from a low of 25 k new cases on September 7 to 250 k on January 10. We went from under 300 deaths daily to over 4,000 over roughly the same time period (the deaths curve follows 3-4 weeks behind the infection curve).
Then we once again began emphasizing the common sense measures which were effective before, along with distribution and campaigns to get people vaccinated. By June we had reached levels that we haven't seen since late March 2020.
It's almost as if we're afraid of success. Every time we can see the light at the end of the tunnel, we start screaming that we need to return to the dark ages.
Masks in the US have almost completely disappeared. All the signs posted a month ago are gone. I do at least still see people social distancing in stores, but there's a strong push to open up events to spectators, without limits. At the same time there's an active push to discourage people from being vaccinated. It doesn't take a PhD in mathematics to project the curve.
As things are going, the number of infections will continue to rise and the rate of new vaccinations will continue to fall. Assuming that doesn't change the US will be back in the 1500-2500 deaths per day range before Thanksgiving, which would have us approaching 1 million deaths early 2022. Remember when 80,000 deaths was an impossible number?
Although the new variants are part of the problem, there's no magic bullet. If you increase the opportunity for virus transmission, you increase the number of new infections. Increase the number of new infections and you increase the likelihood of new variants.
There is one bright spot in this. The people who will die will almost exclusively be the people who refused to get vaccinated. Eventually we'll reach a level of stabilization, after enough anti-vaxx people tell their family "I wish I'd gotten vaccinated."
In a moment of serendipity I just saw a story last night about a couple from Missouri who refused the vaccine and ended up hospitalized for Covid. Let's just say an extended stay in ICU clarifies the "should I get vaccinated" question.
The good news is that this will mostly be over in another year. At least in the US. It's already nearly over in many countries. When it ends depends almost entirely on the local vaccination rates.