Stupid shit in Medellin

[JjBee62]

This shit is not over with. This shit will not be over with, no matter how much you wish it to be so, until the virus is crushed either by everyone getting the vaccine or the disease. 20% of Colombians are vaccinated. Masking is not about you or your dick, it's about preventing a public health emergency. The ICU's in Bogota, Medellin and Cartagena are currently 92% full.

Imagine this: you step out of your hotel in Bogota and are hit by a cab and have major head injuries. There are no ambulances; however, the cab driver takes you to the hospital, but there are no beds. You can't breathe on your own, but all the ventilators are being used by Covid patients. Sorry, you die.

You want to monger in Vietnam, sorry only 4% of people have been vaccinated. Kenya, 2%. There are probably three or four billion people on Earth who have not been vaccinated or who have not had the disease. If you want 'this shit to be over with' and to go back to normal where you can stroll past smiling prostitutes, then you should be lobbying your representative for more federal vaccine funding for all people on earth.

Roughly 5 billion people are either unvaccinated or have not had Covid. Unfortunately, about 30% of the vaccinated people were vaccinated with the Sinovac vaccine which appears to have low effectiveness against the Delta variant. With Delta becoming a major source of infection, that puts about 5. 5 billion still at risk of infection.

For those who, for whatever silly reason, don't want to get vaccinated, go ahead and throw away your masks and go about business as usual. There's nothing to worry about.

Nothing except for the real possibility that Colombia is going to be reinstating the curfews in Bogota and Medellin since ICU space is again rapidly running out. Then there's that minor risk of getting Covid (even if you are vaccinated). It's really nothing to worry about at all. Sure, you might end up in an emergency room absolutely certain you're about to die (not to mention some large medical bills). Sure, you might end up spending an extra $1500 because you got stuck in quarantine. Sure you might be almost completely unable to fuck for 3 weeks, because you can just barely breathe enough to keep from passing out. You might even end up stinking because you can't stand up long enough to take a shower. You probably don't want to hear about the bad parts.

I'm here to assure you that's all nothing compared to having a sore arm twice, for almost 8 hours each time, and having to put an almost weightless piece of paper over your face.

So, when the 6 pm curfews come back and when the doctor tells you that you don't need to go to the hospital, because you're doing fine (although it's because they have no place to put you at the hospital), you can take a deep breath and enjoy your stay. Well, you can't really take a deep breath. You can try, get really dizzy, start coughing which triggers your gag reflex and you spend 2 minutes gasping and gagging and trying desperately not to pass out. Which is kinda fun in a "if I puke there's nobody who will come and clean it up, and if I pass out, eventually someone will find me face down in my own vomit" way.

[Paulie97]

Lovely, just lovely. How can the Colombian Ministry of Health require people to wear masks (tapabocas) and restrict social gatherings? Dear God, don't they know there are some fat, stupid Americans who came here for sex tourism and they don't want to be inconvenienced. What on earth were they thinking. Surely the selfish desires of some morons should take precedence over the health needs of the nation.

If you don't like what they do here then why don't you go to Africa. I'm sure there are some countries over there where you can get your fill of cheap pussy and they are too poor to wear masks or concern themselves with surviving past the current day. Seems like the perfect place for a selfish fuck.

The degree of selfishness found among many mongers is mind boggling. It's all about them and their dicks.

[John Clayton]

...everyone who needs to be vaccinated is already, the whole world is maskless...
Enough with the fanaticism this shit is over with...

This shit is not over with. This shit will not be over with, no matter how much you wish it to be so, until the virus is crushed either by everyone getting the vaccine or the disease. 20% of Colombians are vaccinated. Masking is not about you or your dick, it's about preventing a public health emergency. The ICU's in Bogota, Medellin and Cartagena are currently 92% full.

Imagine this: you step out of your hotel in Bogota and are hit by a cab and have major head injuries. There are no ambulances; however, the cab driver takes you to the hospital, but there are no beds. You can't breathe on your own, but all the ventilators are being used by Covid patients. Sorry, you die.

You want to monger in Vietnam, sorry only 4% of people have been vaccinated. Kenya, 2%. There are probably three or four billion people on Earth who have not been vaccinated or who have not had the disease. If you want 'this shit to be over with' and to go back to normal where you can stroll past smiling prostitutes, then you should be lobbying your representative for more federal vaccine funding for all people on earth.

[Lefeu]

As usual mr e spitting facts…

I agree!. It seems like it has become his specialty lately.

…Honestly so tired hearing EL USO DE TAPABOCAS ES OBLIGATORIO all over Colombia, everyone who needs to be vaccinated is already…

Sorry, not in Colombia, and many other countries. In fact, lack of vaccines is the case in most countries of interest to mongers.

…the whole world is maskless, yet the constant fear mongering and propaganda has colombians OBSESSED with tapabocas, social distance, etc. It's pretty god damn ridiculous right now…

I wish that were the case. I was there last month for 2 weeks, in Poblado. Folks wore masks only when the cops were there, and the distancing? Non existing. In fact, a Colombian couple thought I was an idiot for trying to maintain distancing while in line to get coffee at a JV store. I ended up getting into an argument with them. I then realized that I was fully vaccinated and they were most likely not. So, I changed to a don't care attitude.

…I just want to go back to picking up non pros on the street without having to wonder what their mouth and nose look like which is pretty much a deal breaker…

I agree it's a pain when it comes to picking up FLs. Luckily, I maintain sort of a harem there, and so far I am sticking to it.

…I ask the punk / hipsters here why theyre wearing a mask outside, they say because it's an order from the ministry of health. Yet at the same time they're protesting govt incompetence / corruption. Kind of an oxymoron…

Not quite, IMO, it's even more important to wear masks when you have a corrupt and / or incompetent government.

[Villainy]

As usual mr e spitting facts.

Honestly so tired hearing EL USO DE TAPABOCAS ES OBLIGATORIO all over Colombia, everyone who needs to be vaccinated is already, the whole world is maskless, yet the constant fear mongering and propaganda has colombians OBSESSED with tapabocas, social distance, etc. It's pretty god damn ridiculous right now.

I just want to go back to picking up non pros on the street without having to wonder what their mouth and nose look like which is pretty much a deal breaker.

The cdc (who have shown theyre buffoons, but thats the authority covid fanatics submit to) already said if you're vaccinated, no mask needed.

I ask the punk / hipsters here why theyre wearing a mask outside, they say because it's an order from the ministry of health. Yet at the same time they're protesting govt incompetence / corruption. Kind of an oxymoron. There is just a lack of critical thinking here, which would explain the constant dictatorships/lack of democracies over the past century in south america. The people here enjoy doing they they're told; following orders.

Lovely, just lovely. How can the Colombian Ministry of Health require people to wear masks (tapabocas) and restrict social gatherings? Dear God, don't they know there are some fat, stupid Americans who came here for sex tourism and they don't want to be inconvenienced. What on earth were they thinking. Surely the selfish desires of some morons should take precedence over the health needs of the nation.

If you don't like what they do here then why don't you go to Africa. I'm sure there are some countries over there where you can get your fill of cheap pussy and they are too poor to wear masks or concern themselves with surviving past the current day. Seems like the perfect place for a selfish fuck.

[JohnnyWalker55]

So what about damn near every other country on the planet? Were they full of Republikkkans or did they have an orange buffoon? When there were only 1000 cases and 10 deaths in Thailand everyone was wearing a mask, social distancing, curfews, the whole 9; and fines and jail time for not obeying. Now there are 363,000 cases and have been over 2900 deaths. This has nothing to do with politics, religious beliefs, or none of that shit.

As usual mr e spitting facts.

Honestly so tired hearing EL USO DE TAPABOCAS ES OBLIGATORIO all over Colombia, everyone who needs to be vaccinated is already, the whole world is maskless, yet the constant fear mongering and propaganda has colombians OBSESSED with tapabocas, social distance, etc. It's pretty god damn ridiculous right now.

I just want to go back to picking up non pros on the street without having to wonder what their mouth and nose look like which is pretty much a deal breaker.

The cdc (who have shown theyre buffoons, but thats the authority covid fanatics submit to) already said if you're vaccinated, no mask needed.

I ask the punk / hipsters here why theyre wearing a mask outside, they say because it's an order from the ministry of health. Yet at the same time they're protesting govt incompetence / corruption. Kind of an oxymoron. There is just a lack of critical thinking here, which would explain the constant dictatorships/lack of democracies over the past century in south america. The people here enjoy doing they they’re told; following orders

I guess this is what you deal with in the third world, a lack of common sense.

Enough with the fanaticism this shit is over with. As for me, no mask anywhere unless they tell me to in stores, lets get the ball rolling ;)

[JustTK]

You scoffed when I asked if English was your native language. I feel the need to ask again.
"I never once claimed the vaccine has killed thousands."

Your absolute certainty in your own incorrect understanding is astounding. A clear and strong case of Dunning and Kruger.

Are you certain? Absolutely certain? Do you unequivocally stand behind that statement?

Yes I am happy with my statement. As you urself point out, I am talking about the experiments that pharma companies run in developing and testing potential vaccines. It's called vivisection. That is a very different thing to deaths caused by the actual administration of the vaccine to the general public once the vaccine has been approved. I claim the former whereas you throw the latter at me.

It would seem 1 of 3 possibilities is at play here.

1. You're not being honest. You lack the moral integrity to acknowledge that you made a statement, which you can't defend.

2. Your grasp of English is tenuous at best and you lack the ability to understand the words you are using.

3. You simply lack the intelligence to be involved in this discussion.

No. There is a 4th possibility – that you are too stupid to understand the difference between experiments on potential vaccines and the use of approved vaccines.

You support avoiding vaccination because long term effectiveness is unknown. Sorry, you appear to claim that the uncertainty of long term effectiveness is a valid reason to avoid vaccination. I don't.

Once again, flat out wrong. I do not support the vaccine bcos I think it is immoral to murder innocent beings in the experiments conducted to research, develop and test pharmaceutical products. I have stated that several times. I do not know why it will not sink in to your thick head. Sentient beings are raped, enslaved and encaged, their babies stolen from them, mutilated, tortured and murdered. Why? So that another sentient being can live? If you are not willing to sacrifice urself or your own loved ones for such a cause, you have no moral right to force others to do it. That is why it is immoral to me. So very far from your ridiculous assumptions.

[Elvis 2008]

You have to take Elvis with a grain of salt. For him everything has to be expressed along political lines. Unless you agree 100% with his current position, you're a liberal and the cause of all the world's problems. This might make sense if his position on the pandemic didn't change drastically from day to day.

LOL. Yes, when I am critical of "science" loving douches, it has to be political? Ha. You were busy kissing Fauci's ass when that MF partially caused the pandemic. Hell, you were cheering on the travel ban and economic destruction.

My position changed from early on. Covid had an early pattern, that was all that was known about it, and it broke the pattern. If you applied any of your mathematical principles to almost any other virus, you would have been wrong. Covid was different because it was man made.

For months he claimed it wasn't worse than the flu. Although there were several numbers he claimed the US death toll would never reach, the most renowned was 80,000.

I am not even going to bother with you anymore. When you claim to have superior knowledge with predictions (and yours were awful), you personally were dumb enough to get sick with the virus, board an airplane, and spread it around to God knows how many people. On the other hand, I have been exposed to dozens if not hundreds of people with Covid and have not gotten it.

I told you all to avoid people who look sick and got mocked. Of course, then you hung around with your sick brother and got Covid. And that nonsense about how far away from him you were, if that were true, I would have been sick dozens of times. No, you were close to him, and you got it because you were stupid.

All this social distancing, hand sanitizer, wearing mask outside BS, and I said the smartest thing was to avoid sick people, and your dumb Democratic douche ass could not even follow that advice.

And then you thought you had Covid when you had a heart condition and had Covid when you thought it was something else. Throughout this, you still think you have the need to lecture. Dummy, you infected God knows how many people. Will you STFU on this topic? No one thinks you are an expert. You could not even diagnose in yourself. You are a clown.

I can see what I posted was misinterpreted. There are 750 people who have died of Covid who have had the vaccine and 4000 people who have gotten the vaccine and been hospitalized with Covid.

As for your mathematical predictions, the chance of a NFL player dying from Covid is less than 1% but vertigo rates are north of that. With the kind of vertigo I have seen, the chances of it being career ending are very real. So from a society stand point, should the NFL player get the vaccine? Yes. From an individual stand point? IMO the answer is no.

You are only looking at things from a life and death perspective. Economics matter, and that is the problem with you Democratic douches. You made Covid into this huge boogie man and insisted all the sacrifices were worthwhile when they were not. The part of medicine where the first rule of do no harm was thrown out the window, and you all just ignored all the harm you were doing.

[JjBee62]

So what about damn near every other country on the planet? Were they full of Republikkkans or did they have an orange buffoon? When there were only 1000 cases and 10 deaths in Thailand everyone was wearing a mask, social distancing, curfews, the whole 9; and fines and jail time for not obeying. Now there are 363,000 cases and have been over 2900 deaths. This has nothing to do with politics, religious beliefs, or none of that shit.

Much of it, depending on the country has plenty to do with politics and religious beliefs. I won't get into that discussion, but you can easily compare infection rates by country and look at what actions were supported by the government of each country. Draw your own conclusions.

Going directly to Thailand, that's fairly easy. They were on the ball early. They did all the right things for a year, with a great deal of success. However, 3 things are currently working against them.

1. The Delta variant is much more contagious.

2. They have a very low vaccination rate.

3. Most of the vaccines given were the Sinovac vaccine which appears to be mostly ineffective against the Delta variant.

I don't know for certain, but I would suspect Thailand (Vietnam, Indonesia, etc) started relaxing restrictions somewhat shortly before the Delta variant hit the country. As we've seen again and again the waves take several weeks to develop and then rage on for several weeks, after measures to combat them are taken.

Without widespread distribution of a vaccine effective against the Delta variant, along with a return to the masks, curfews and lockdowns, they're in for a bumpy ride.

[JjBee62]

And so it goes on! Really, you're incredible! I never once claimed that the vaccine has killed thousands. I really can't be bothered to read the rest of your diatribe if you can't even get the first premise correct. "You need to be informed that you are being stupid. ".

You scoffed when I asked if English was your native language. I feel the need to ask again.

"I never once claimed the vaccine has killed thousands."

Are you certain? Absolutely certain? Do you unequivocally stand behind that statement?

No one has forced me or my wife or children or loved ones to take part in these experiments. Thats bcos I am lucky. But there are thousands of innocent sentient beings that have been forced in to these experiments. And been murdered. And that is what I do not accept.

Which language is your native tongue? Perhaps it loses something when crossing from the UK to the USA.

You start off mentioning your wife, children and loved ones. Is it safe to assume they are not only sentient beings, but also human? Because, if your wife, children and loved ones are sentient and human, it follows that the "thousands of innocent sentient beings" were also human. Your use of the word "murdered" supports that. Since the discussion is about getting vaccinated (in your prior post you even stated "potential vaccines" am I out of line to assume you were stating thousands of people were forcibly vaccinated and killed by the process. Do you understand that is a claim that thousands have been killed by the vaccine?

It would seem 1 of 3 possibilities is at play here.

1. You're not being honest. You lack the moral integrity to acknowledge that you made a statement, which you can't defend.

2. Your grasp of English is tenuous at best and you lack the ability to understand the words you are using.

3. You simply lack the intelligence to be involved in this discussion.

I'm going to go with option number 1, although 3 is certainly tempting. However, lack of moral integrity is well supported by this:

"I really can't be bothered to read the rest of your diatribe if you can't even get the first premise correct. ".

You see, part of that nasty moral integrity is that you don't discount something without reading it first. It would be similar to writing a terrible review of a restaurant which you've never visited, solely because you don't like someone who works there.

This is a regular occurrence with you and I expect you're incapable of better behavior. Your other post lends credence to my claim. In it you claim we're in agreement about the long term effectiveness of the vaccine, yet that's a gross misunderstanding of my view on the subject. You support avoiding vaccination because long term effectiveness is unknown. Sorry, you appear to claim that the uncertainty of long term effectiveness is a valid reason to avoid vaccination. I don't. I've spelled it out in intricate detail. Yet you lack the honesty to address my statements.

You can continue with this as long as you wish, or until you contract Covid and you stop posting (either through incapacity or the inability to admit the flaws in your position). I made a valid effort to steer this to a respectful discussion. However, you again demonstrated your lack of moral integrity by refusing the possibility of a respectful discussion.

Unless I get bored and just want to poke fun at the mentally disadvantaged, I'll leave you to your psychosis.

[Paulie97]

So what about damn near every other country on the planet? Were they full of Republikkkans or did they have an orange buffoon? When there were only 1000 cases and 10 deaths in Thailand everyone was wearing a mask, social distancing, curfews, the whole 9; and fines and jail time for not obeying. Now there are 363,000 cases and have been over 2900 deaths. This has nothing to do with politics, religious beliefs, or none of that shit.

Many countries have had great success by complying with common sense protocols, masks, social distancing, and restrictions on movements. That includes many Asian countries, including Thailand who recently let down their guard and has had a slow vaccine roll out. It also includes the Nordic nations excluding Sweden. But to notice that a number of countries have had weak compliance, as well as many fools chasing conspiracy theories, then jump from that to claiming it's all apolitical is ludicrous. Mr E has some of the best mongering posts around, but when he jumps into politics gets every logical fallacy under the sun going.

Yes, in general terms there has been quite a divide between Repubs and Dems in the US in matters of Covid, though of course their are individual exceptions in both camps. The former generally has fought us every step of the way. First it was just the "Kung Flu" and a left wing hoax to sabotage Trump re-election chances. Then the numbers were faked, hospitals lying about the cause of deaths in order to rip off Medicare. Of course the fact that deaths were spiking in many countries where no such incentive exists never crossed their minds. Then it's masks, social distancing, and "lockdowns" don't work. Or that it's unconstitutional, even though people are often required to wear clothes in public, and our movements are restricted all the time, like at traffic lights or with prohibitions on demonstrations without permits. Not to mention that the Supreme Court in the past has upheld forced quarantines of TB patients. But where do we wind up? Well of course, with anti-vaxxers as they are intent on fighting us every step of the way. Plus right wing media needs hot button issues to spin in their propaganda hours because that's how they draw a crowd and make money. Listen to them in their own words, Fox and Newsmax, which further confirms as ludicrous, your claim that none of this is political.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/media/202...s/coronavirus/

https://logicallyfallacious.com/logi...s/Non-Sequitur

[AggieDad1]

So what about damn near every other country on the planet? Were they full of Republikkkans or did they have an orange buffoon? When there were only 1000 cases and 10 deaths in Thailand everyone was wearing a mask, social distancing, curfews, the whole 9; and fines and jail time for not obeying. Now there are 363,000 cases and have been over 2900 deaths. This has nothing to do with politics, religious beliefs, or none of that shit.

Well said.

[John Clayton]

So what about damn near every other country on the planet? Were they full of Republikkkans or did they have an orange buffoon? When there were only 1000 cases and 10 deaths in Thailand everyone was wearing a mask, social distancing, curfews, the whole 9; and fines and jail time for not obeying. Now there are 363,000 cases and have been over 2900 deaths. This has nothing to do with politics, religious beliefs, or none of that shit.

They were (are) unable to get the vaccines. Vaccination rate there is currently 4.6%.

[Mr Enternational]

RepubliKKKans, including the orange buffoon, were against any form of mitigation (masks, distancing, etc)

So what about damn near every other country on the planet? Were they full of Republikkkans or did they have an orange buffoon? When there were only 1000 cases and 10 deaths in Thailand everyone was wearing a mask, social distancing, curfews, the whole 9; and fines and jail time for not obeying. Now there are 363,000 cases and have been over 2900 deaths. This has nothing to do with politics, religious beliefs, or none of that shit.

[Paulie97]

Look at what is happening in red states like Tennessee. Vaccine outreach has been terminated by RepubliKKKans. Why? Makes no sense.

The answer to this can be found in right wing media, with the old Chicken Little, slippery slope fallacy. They think that if canvassing to encourage vaccination is allowed then they'll next be knocking on doors asking for their guns and bibles. It would be hilarious if the matter weren't so serious. They make us the laughing stock of the world.

"The problem with this reasoning is that it avoids engaging with the issue at hand, and instead shifts attention to extreme hypotheticals. ".

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope