Boca Chica

[Mr Enternational]

Come on E! We all read and he told us what his intentions were with chicas. We know why he asked her did she expect anything from him for visiting him. He wasn't looking for free sex. It was a visitation that he was asking about not a sexual confrontation. Stop acting like they are one in the same because I know you're smarter than that. Most of us on this board are smarter than that. At least I feel that way.

I see what you are saying because he did ask the girl from the beginning about giving her money. If those were his only intentions then IMHO he should have made that clear to the chick in the beginning. I never meet non-pros with the intention of just using them as I would a hooker, so I am coming from a different perspective.

[Stradivari]

To keep the story short: One other tinder date from Day 2 started similar, with the girl pretending not to want money. However, when we talked about the exact day and time, she declared, that sex would be 4000. I offered 2500, she declined. Offered 3000, she accepted. The problem with tinder are the pictures. They are far from reality. But in the end, the girls is there, has a nice face and she already came her way. So I accepted (sex was less than mediocre), but I decided to stop the tinder thing for having the purpose of meeting somebody for sex. Waiting for an hour after the agreed time, not having the body that is on the pictures, that's just to difficult for me. Now I am accepting those who live in BC and want to join me in the activities I am doing anyway. If they don't come, no problem. If they are pretty, we can talk about anything once they are there and I make clear upfront that I am not paying for conversation.

Other than this tinder date, I was surprised to try other massage places and being suggested 1000 for massage and 4000 for a handjob in the end. I told her, in that case, I would use my own hand. Another date was with a real hot Haitian street girl. She also told me, I could pay what I want. Paid 3500, sex was mediocre but her body is stunning.

My hotel gave me a little unpleasant surprise. When I asked with the first girl, how the process was with a girl in the room, they told me that she would leave her cedula at the reception and she would get a bracelet. "That's it?" I asked and they confirmed and told me, I had a double room booked anyway. I was happy with that. Today, another guy at the reception told me, I would need to pay for every bracelet. I was not in the mood to discuss, as other people were standing around but I should clarify that. If they will present an invoice of 10 bracelets on the departure day, that will be a high bill and I might decide to go elsewhere and not to my room. However, if I ask directly now after a couple of days again, I might wake up sleeping dogs. I will have to make up my mind how to deal with that. Has anyone experiences with Boca Beach Residence?

[Stradivari]

Come on E! We all read and he told us what his intentions were with chicas. We know why he asked her did she expect anything from him for visiting him. He wasn't looking for free sex. It was a visitation that he was asking about not a sexual confrontation. Stop acting like they are one in the same because I know you're smarter than that. Most of us on this board are smarter than that. At least I feel that way.

You change the narrative From a visitation to a sexual confrontation. After the confrontation you don't want to be bothered and you were done with her. You don't think because you change the narrative you should at least try to compensate? Do you think it's OK to hold it over her head that she wasn't charging you to visit you?

I cannot in good conscience conduct myself in that manner. I change the narrative so I should at least offer a financial compensation.

I was not evaluating your scenarios. So you giving me all your examples are meaningless. I base my opinion off the information he gave us. I base my opinion off what he said his intentions were being on a short term vacation.

Well, GM, my world is not as black and white as you describe it.

Right, my intentions with girls, when I planned to come here, was not to spend a lot of time to get laid, because most of the time it takes me a more than two hours to get from a date to sex. And it even takes longer to get out of the story again if you realize that it's not really what I am into.

That does not mean, that I would avoid any kind of conversation or dating, if it was not completely clear that it would be a business relation. As I told you, it is my first time here in DR and I really don't know, if all the girls on Tinder are hookers. I don't think so. At least not in the case of that first tinder date. In fact, we had agreed to meet even before I arrived and after I realized how easy it would be to find what I was looking for by strolling up and down Duarte and by choosing my massage place, I was easy also to meet a girl that strongly declared that she would not take any money. I was curious to see, how it would turn out in the end.

Believe me or not: This girl was no hooker. She was a young girl with a very timid part of her personality and with a very curious part. The way we were talking, laughing, the way she reacted to the situation at the reception, the things she told me in a shy fashion about her experience with another woman, with a trio, with everything told me, that she was not used to what she did right now. After two hours of nice talking and a lot of laughs, I wanted to either take her to my room or continue the day on my own and get back to my work. So I asked, what was her best hope on how this day might end. She laughed without answering. I asked her, if she would remember this day in one month, what would she like to remember. She said: the good time we spent together. I asked her, if she felt it would be easier for her to have sex without bonds with a men that would be away in a couple of days as compared to one from her neighborhood. She confirmed that and so I asked, if she liked a massage and if she would be willing to come to my room. The sex was had was, most probably, more enriching for her than for me. I was licking her to one orgasm and she was stroking herself to the second one while I was doing her with my fingers. When I inserted my dick, it appeared, that it was difficult for her to deal with that. I stopped several times and she asked me to continue. I had this situation two times with other (very unexperienced) women. But of them told me, they felt pain but in the same time, they wanted to try to find a way to enjoy without pain, so they also wanted me to continue. I assume that was the same in her case, but after a couple of minutes I didn't feel good anymore and I was not in the mood anymore to continue "for a training purpose". So I stopped without coming and the only two reasons, I am not seeing here again, is, because I see a risk that she could fall in love and because it is not giving me what I want sexually.

So while I appreciate the idea of paying those who are to shy to put a price on it but will be happy about the money, I think there are girls, in the DR just like all over the planet, who are not hookers and who are up to fuck a guy that they consider attractive. Many young girls are attracted by older men (for various reasons), many girls form poor countries are attracted more easily by guys from rich countries (again, for various reasons), many beautiful women are attracted by rich and powerful men (again, for various reasons). This attraction works for all kind of relation: hooker-client, marriage-seekers, FWB-seekers, ONS-seekers. So, for a man like me, I will get more easily attractive women down here than in my own country. More easily means, with less time and less game.

The difference of the scenarios is: Is the compensation, that a girl expects for having sex, a) money, b) gifts, c) own pleasure, d) security, own pleasure, gifts and money (this is what we call marriage; a happy one if it includes pleasure, an unhappy one without). The difference in the narratives is not (and in this point I don't agree with you, GM) if I put my dick in her or not. In case that sex had been a pleasure to me and in case I could exclude that she will fall in love with me (and in case she would shave her legs and pussy.) we would most likely meet more often as long as I am here. So we don't and that is okay for me.

Now, to know how she feels now, I would need to ask her. Maybe I will do that. I assume strongly, that she is not unhappy because of not having received money, but because she felt that she was unable to satisfy me.

I have experienced a couple of situations like you, E, however not that much in real poor countries, but in Canada, Ukraine, Europe, Bangkok (with a girl having a regular well paid job) and the States. Once I have experienced it in Laos (with a rich Chinese girl, born to rich parents). It would have been very offensive to offer money in all these situations, even though I was and still am unable to tell from the tinder profiles, which girls are working girls and which are not. The good thing in Thailand is, that most of the time girls will easily tell it if I asked them. That was more difficult in Laos. I once had a situation there, where a girl asked me afterwards, if we would see each other again. I declined, because I was going to leave the next day, so she I asked if I would agree to give her xxx kip. I guess, in case I would have stayed for the week, we would lived eaten and travelled together, she would not have asked me anything, but most likely she would have used me for shopping, which would also have been okay.

There is another point to make. I really appreciate if people can take care of themselves. If they mean what do say and say what they mean. If people are unable to say, what they want, things get difficult. So, if she was a rookie, ending up being fucked but not paid, she will change her strategy for the next time and give a different answer. She will have paid for the lesson. As many of us have to pay for our lessons also. Such is life.

[GrownMan1]

Come on E! We all read and he told us what his intentions were with chicas. We know why he asked her did she expect anything from him for visiting him. He wasn't looking for free sex. It was a visitation that he was asking about not a sexual confrontation. Stop acting like they are one in the same because I know you're smarter than that. Most of us on this board are smarter than that. At least I feel that way.

You change the narrative From a visitation to a sexual confrontation. After the confrontation you don't want to be bothered and you were done with her. You don't think because you change the narrative you should at least try to compensate? Do you think it's OK to hold it over her head that she wasn't charging you to visit you?

I cannot in good conscience conduct myself in that manner. I change the narrative so I should at least offer a financial compensation.

I was not evaluating your scenarios. So you giving me all your examples are meaningless. I base my opinion off the information he gave us. I base my opinion off what he said his intentions were being on a short term vacation.

Ill tell you what invite a girl to just visit you. Get her to say that shes not charging you anything to just visit you. Change the narrative to a sexual confrontation and dont compensate her. Id like to see you stand in front of a judge explaining how you shouldnt have to pay her anything. Tell him about your scenarios where you had free sex with other women and see if that shit flies in his court room.

[Xpartan]

But I have never had sex with a girl in the DR who wouldn't be a pro or semipro. Not that I ever wanted or tried to. I usually want to get what I want and send her on her way, although there have been exceptions.

Actually, strike that. Last time I was in Sosua I picked up an older woman who owned a tiny restaurant. Not even a pro or semipro, and we never discussed the money, but her getting paid was implied. No surprises before or after.

I think everyone who posted a response here has a point, but I know I'd feel uncomfortable getting what I want and knowing I'd never want to see the girl again, without compensating her for it. Now if I was planning on seeing her again, that's another story.

In all honesty, Mr. E is right. I'd rather pay them to feel better about myself, I guess.

[Mr Enternational]

" In the afternoon I met a tinder date. She was 19 and had some real cute pictures and had reacted very strongly when I had asked here if she required money to see me. " If you're not capable of reading between the lines then that's your call. Of course I'm on the outside looking in. That was a young 19 year old young lady. If you think that offering her money makes her feel like a hooker. What do you think about having sex with her and once you're finished telling her to leave? Make yourself think that she just wanted lunch and her back blowing out.

We all know our true intentions. Mr E you will be happy if a chica excepts 100 pesos after you blow her back out just because she didn't open her mouth.

Several times I have suspected normal chicks to be hookers and have offered them money afterwards. When they look at me confused that shit is fucking embarrassing. I can always give money to a chick that turns out to be a hooker that I thought was not a hooker, but I am not reclaiming my dignity after disrespecting a chick by offering her money (or sneaking it into her bag) because I assumed she was a hooker and she turned out not to be. When I meet chicks, I do not just plan to see them once for the purpose of fucking them and be done with them. Maybe that is the difference. I make genuine friends with them. That is why I have known plenty of chicks for years that I have never given money to, but can send a message and say that I am in town lets get together. Some of these same chicks from DR, Brazil, Peru, Colombia, Panama have spent their own money to come see me in the States.

Recently I was in Colombia and a chick rode the bus umpteen hours (seriously like 10 hours) to see me. I am 49. She is 25. I tried very hard to take her on a far away trip wherever she wanted to go. But nope. She was adamant that all she wanted to do was come to the town I was in and spend time with me. She also said that she was only traveling with $60 so she did not have money to take such a trip, stating he would rather be able to pay her share. Me and this chick were together 3 days and all I gave her was bus fare that she did not even ask for. I think the bus was like $10 each way and I gave her $30. Funny because the taxi dropped me off first and I handed her the $30 plus the $5 for our taxi and got out. The taxi was next going to drop her off at the bus station. I went into the transpo place to buy my van ticket and next thing I know she runs in and grabs me from behind saying how much she is going to miss me. We still talk to this day and she asks when I am coming back to see her. No sob stories about not having food or kid needing school clothes. Are there any lines that I should be reading between?

The week after that I was in another city in Colombia and a chick 24 years old rode the bus 4 hours to see me. (She sent me all kind of nekkit pics beforehand that I did not ask for.) She stayed with me 3 days. Our last night together she was looking at something on her phone and asked if I would give her money to get her nails with that design. Here it comes I thought. I asked her how much and she said $5. I said of course. The next day I gave her money for the bus and the $5 to do her nails. Gave her like $20 in all. No sob stories from her yet either, just wanting to know when we could be together again. Should I be reading between some lines in this case?

A few months ago I met a chick in Santo Domingo on one of those apps. I immediately assumed she was a hooker. I never talked any crazy shit to her or anything, just normal conversation. Then one day I realized this chick was not a hooker at all. I was with her the last 3 times I was in Santo Domingo. I have been to her house and met her family as well. She has never asked me for a thing. Well I take that back. She asked me to bring her a hair press. Only reason she asked for that is because I told her that I like her hair better straight than curly. She said well I needed to buy that thing for her so she could do her hair herself instead of spending money at the salon. It had to be the Babylis brand. She has residency in Chile and 2 weeks ago had to return there so she would not lose her residency. She did not ask me to help pay for her ticket, her hotel to quarantine in, or none of that stuff. We still talk almost every day. Where are these lines that I should be reading between?

I will even take this thing back to my first time ever in DR. I was in Boca Chica and met this chick online. She lived in Santo Domingo and came to see me with her friends. She ended up staying the night with me and letting her friends take her car to go home. A couple of days later she drove all the way to Boca Chica to get me and my friend and drop us at the airport. I must have missed the lines on that one too, because even though we are not together today, we are still friends. I never slipped her any money in her purse or anything. She actually finished with me way back when because she said I did not have enough time for her or show her enough attention. She was definitely one of the ones that got away.

[GrownMan1]

Gentleman,

GM, we are probably made from different wood, which is perfectly okay. I don't judge, I appreciate variety. This is where I can learn from. Peace!

Sir I am in agreement with you. We are made from a different wood however I thought that I related with you on the level of being on a short time vacation. I can relate when you say you just want to meet a young lady spend a little time and send her on her way. That's me all day and some nights.

You didn't want a chica to come to your room expecting to get paid and so you asked the upfront question. Many of us knows how ugly situation like that can get with a chica demanding that you compensate her for " her time". You were controlling the situation prior to her coming to your room I definitely salute you for that.

I always say to new guys know your time constraints and what type of relationship you want out of a Chica. You have guys like Mr. E that Prefer chicas looking for serious relationships but he doesn't plan on settling with anybody. That's how he operates and he is the best at it. I've learned from him.

I felt I knew your intentions because you told us before you got to Boca chica. You didn't want to be bogged down in some type of Time consuming relationship. It seems like your chica wanted something more. Most chicas would want something more if they could get it. But it's not about what she wants; it's about what you want.

It was not about giving a Chica money because she needs it. Keep doing your thing man and have fun doing it.

[Oakie]

Yes, agreed. I know exactly what you mean and I am thankful for your input. I'm not up to take without giving. This leaves both, the taker and giver, unhappy.

In fact, I tried to give her something. I was trying to put it in her hands and said "I guess you can need that more than me", but she rejected, saying: Entonces, cuando acepto eso me siento una puta why eso no siente bien.

Well, it is not always easy to tell, by which action one is respectful or disrespectful to a particular person.........

When 2 strangers meet and things develop, sometimes intentions and actions and attitudes can be misleading. Sometimes intentionally so.

Especially with differing assumptions, perhaps communication difficulties, and no idea of the other's modus operandi.

You met, had sex, and parted. Should have been a win / win. But.

It often can lead, after the fact, to a "wudda, cudda, shudda" situation, where you are thinking you should have paid for the candy, and we'll never know if she's thinking of a lost potential boyfriend, WU buddy, or even a repeat client the next time she's paying the rent.

I'm old school, who knows girls still often say no when they mean yes, and many hookers in the DR don't like to be called hookers. And telling some woman you're "not looking for a relationship", has not saved a lot of guys from scheming women.

Cheers!

[GrownMan1]

I read the part where she wanted to walk on the beach, she wanted a drink, she wanted a massage, she wanted a FK, and she didn't want any money. During my life, I have fkd many girls on that basis in foreign countries without the need to pay.

It's cool you choose to selectively read and give your opinion. I assume I am reading the whole just of information and giving my opinion. He asked her at the beginning did she require money to just visit him. She said no. The game change from a visitation to a sexual confrontation. Some guys seem to think that they are one in the same. Some of us feel that it's not.

If my car was giving me trouble and my mechanic came by to look at it. Prior to him coming if he tells me he will not charge me anything for just looking at it. We realize that the car needs a new starter. He puts on a new starter. Should I not attempt to compensate him for the work that he just performed?

[Stradivari]

I guess you didnt read the part when he said she seems like she wanted to relax and chill. However he had his own objective and asked her to leave. It seems like I'm the only one that's reading what he saying.

Gentleman,

I understand both points and I also understand that my formulation "We were sitting on the balcony for half an hour afterwards and I assume she would have liked to stay, but I wanted to be on my own and so I made her leave without paying anything (except our drinks just before). " sounds like I made her leave in a rude way. That was not the case. I was polite and kind telling her that I wanted to walk on my own after having told her first, that I was going to "caminar en la playa" and she answered "claro".

Spanish is not my mother tongue (neither is English) and I already ran in a couple of misunderstandings. What I certainly try to avoid is the impression, that I am looking for girlfriend or any kind of romantic relationship. That's not the case and I am always very clear about that and I always prefer to appear rude than to create any hopes of romantic relationship, if I have to decide between these two option.

I agree with GM, that is good to assume that girls here in DR are in need of money and to pay for a service provided. Some encounters, however, are more like regular dates and so is the sex. For a pro, I would not go down on her for 20 minutes without getting blown at the same time, before, or after. With non pros, it happens that they rather have sex then to suck a strangers dick on the first encounter and that's okay. But it is different to meeting (semi-) professionals.

Anyway, I strongly believe that what is most important to me, is: being respectful at any time. That means most of the time, to pay a fair salary for a good service, whether it has been agreed upon before or not. Few girls will have sex after a couple of hours without financial intentions, but it happened to me all over the world including central Europe. Offering money in exchange of sex is regarded my most women as something very disrespectful. Insisting if someone declares not to have financial interests, may be disrespectful too.

GM, we are probably made from different wood, which is perfectly okay. I don't judge, I appreciate variety. This is where I can learn from. Peace!

[JustTK]

I guess you didnt read the part when he said she seems like she wanted to relax and chill. However he had his own objective and asked her to leave. It seems like I'm the only one that's reading what he saying.

I read the part where she wanted to walk on the beach, she wanted a drink, she wanted a massage, she wanted a FK, and she didn't want any money. During my life, I have fkd many girls on that basis in foreign countries without the need to pay.

Having sex is natural and free up until the point that one feels the need/desire to pay for it.

[GrownMan1]

Seems that some guys here have no means of communicating with girls / women apart from assuming they are hookers. Everyone assumes she is flat out broke and would appreciate money. Perhaps she just wanted and appreciated the opportunity to meet someone and move on from her previous relationship? I wouldn-t knock Stradivari for that. Seems to me like he was the one that listened to her and gave her what she wanted.

I guess you didnt read the part when he said she seems like she wanted to relax and chill. However he had his own objective and asked her to leave. It seems like I'm the only one that's reading what he saying.

[GrownMan1]

I always say I pay a Chica to leave When I am done with her. She could be a hooker or non-pro. I don't pay for conversation, companionship, and I don't pay by the hour. Once I invite you into my bedroom for sex the game has changed. I am in control and I will conduct things to my liking. A chica don't even have to ask for money. However once I'm done I compensate. At that point if chica gives back the money cool. She knew I offered I didn't play stupid. I bet you she respects my actions more so than being offended.
I dealt with many chicas that would not put a price on a sexual confrontation with me. However after the deal goes down have yet to have one give me back the money I offered. We’re talking well over 2000.

[GrownMan1]

Why should he make the chick feel like a hooker when she had already made it clear that she was not? Seems like many people are not passing out money simply because a chick may need it, but rather to keep themselves from feeling bad.

" In the afternoon I met a tinder date. She was 19 and had some real cute pictures and had reacted very strongly when I had asked here if she required money to see me. " If you're not capable of reading between the lines then that's your call. Of course I'm on the outside looking in. That was a young 19 year old young lady. If you think that offering her money makes her feel like a hooker. What do you think about having sex with her and once you're finished telling her to leave? Make yourself think that she just wanted lunch and her back blowing out.

We all know our true intentions. Mr E you will be happy if a chica excepts 100 pesos after you blow her back out just because she didn't open her mouth.

[Stradivari]

I tried to message you but no luck. Perhaps choose a location and I can meet you there later today? Where a pink carnation. And I don-t expect you to slip me DOP 2. 000 or pay my taxi. Haha.

Haha, I'm glad we can meet without the need to exchange money, but just ideas. I will have lunch at the boat house at around 12:30, I'm wearing a yellow shirt. Hope the message is getting through mods quickly enough. I don't know how else to get in touch.

Interesting discussion has started here. I realize there is a lot I have to learn. In fact, I would not call myself particularly handsome, but I might have developed some inner game (and a little bit of regular game also). So, this question comes up every once in a while, when I am in countries much poorer than my home country. I haven't found a perfect solution and while slipping some money discretely might be the perfect solutions for those girls who are not doing this for the first time but are just to shy (I remember one girl in Bangkok in a similar situation. Met her on we chat and her interest was clearly to join me in my week on Kib Samui later, which I did not want; she also refused money but we've spent a lot of time with good talks in a restaurant, than in a skybar and in the morning for breakfast, so I didn't feel bad about that, but I guess, it would have been the right thing for her to have very discretely given her something), for others, who really do that for the first time, or who just want to create some experiences with guys that will not stalk them for the next months, it may be just wrong to "compensate" the pleasure that both had. This is how it felt two days ago for me. It was already very obvious, that she could hardly deal with the situation, that hotel staff needed her cedula, did not allow her to enter the lobby without me. Obviously she wasn't used at all to go to hotels.