Seeking Arrangements

[Elvis 2008]

Found a gem in Buenos Aires where the hooker / club scene bites. But yeah In countries with good P4 P Seeking is really not your best bet.

Man how things change. BA may have been the best city in the world when I went there in 2004. Black's and Madaho's had hundreds of beauties lined up and my first Latin girl was from Madaho's. I paid her a $100 for the whole night. She massaged me for an hour straight and fucked me all night. I was like "I love Latin women" and have had that loving Latinas attitude every since. It is amazing how far down BA and Argentina have gone. I do not think the culture has changed though and maybe that is why SA could be gold in Argentina.

[RedWaters44]

Look I'm going to try to not be unkind here but you are misinformed or misguided in so many different ways:

You will never find a nice college girl on Seeking for $500-700/ month. Simply not going to happen. If a girl is good looking she will quickly figure out that she can charge $400+ per meetup (depending on city). And she's not going to be your friend or a true romance. It's all pretend. You are swimming in the wrong fishbowl.

Surely no model is going to even give you the time of day with that kinda cash. Yes. Some models sleep their way to the top. They sleep with the people who can advance their career. Not some guy off the street.

And the thing about doing modeling and not getting paid. This is called a scam. Yes. Happens all the time. Some guy says he's a photographer and convinces her to do shots. Maybe even sleeps with him. Maybe even makes her pay for "the proofs". Just a scam like any other. Legit photographers and agencies pay their talent..

No disrespect taken, Steve. I know how much you contribute to the forum and always enjoy reading your posts. I have learned a lot from you.

I know it's impossible to find a girl for $500/ month on Seeking, quite frankly if I found a girl on the site willing to accept that little I would be wary. It was simply my expectation prior to signing up on the website. Once I became more familiar, I was caught up to speed of course.

The story I mentioned about models not being paid was simply intel I shared from a high end escort I have met. The reason I shared the story was just to show how much work a model is willing to do in the hopes of making some cash and still end up getting scammed. By the way, the girl I met was actually scammed while shooting for a reputable clothing brand we've all heard of. I know $400 wouldn't make any girl on Seeking Arrangements yet alone high end escort turn her head, but if you take a step back and think about it, to a regular 18-19 year old college girl who barely even knows what a sugar daddy is even $50 is a lot of money.

Which brings me to my next point -- what IS the standard 18-21 year old girl used to really? Matching with boring guys on Tinder who get uncomfortable at the thought of not splitting the check. I met a really cute 8/10 petite 20 year old on WhatsYourPrice last year and invited her our for a dinner date for $100. We talked a bit and she was genuinely happy to be out of the house and said she hadn't been out on a fancy date like that in months. She wasn't a complete noob since she'd been a member on Seeking Arrangements and WYP for a year, but overall just had negative experiences so it was refreshing for her to get out the house and go on a nice date.

Now if that's what a casual user of Seeking Arrangements and what not is accustomed to, what is the average girl on Tinder used to? Step it up a notch and think about all the girls who don't even have a Tinder? Fact is there are plenty of scum girls on Tinder who brag to their friends because they literally only use the app to be taken our for a free meal. Seems like a shit ton of work to be taken out for a $40 dinner by some guy you don't plan ever plan on seeing again.

Now I know I've rambled but what I'm getting at is that I definitely think it's possible to find success DMing girls on Instagram who know nothing about the scene and attempting to establish something. Just message "Hey you're really cute. Have you ever had a sugar daddy?" and it from there -- try to establish trust. Instagram is more useful than Seeking Arrangements because you can get an actual feel of the girl -- see if she has a boyfriend, if she lives a mostly quiet life, etc. I wouldn't waste time messaging girls with 300,000 followers since they are used to flying out to Dubai to perform sexual acts, but there are plenty of "normal" women with 3,000 followers or less who would be more likely to notice a DM from a stranger. The biggest obstacle may be proving you are genuine aka not a scam, but if you have at least a somewhat put together profile and are able to send $50 to prove it then you should be able to drag them out for a nice dinner date for $200. If you made her comfortable during the dinner, you should be able to convince her to come along on an even more fun date the next time you meet and now that she is a bit more familiar with you and what a sugar daddy is, gently ask if she is comfortable enough for an overnight at an upscale hotel (chances are she's never even been in one) the next time you meet. Girls like this wouldn't know that $600 isn't the norm, I really doubt they'd even know where to research. Again, I'll admit I don't have a whole lot of experience and most of you guys are more familiar with women than me, but I don't see many faults in this process and could definitely see a girl who is not at all familiar with the scene being very happy with an additional $600 to her monthly income.

[Steve 9696]

I completely agree. I'm so sick of Seeking Arrangements. It is filled with the trashiest, most retarded fucking women. The platform just does not attract high quality; it either perpetuates towards naive TikTok girls that are "just experimenting heheh" & want something strictly platonic or total crack WG that rely on the platform to pay rent.

I'm quite young compared to most users on the forum, so when I first signed up on Seeking Arrangements I was simply looking to find a like-minded college girl who I can take on fancy dates, fuck regularly for $500-700/ month, and maybe develop a friendship. So far my time on there has just been a giant waste of money and unnecessary gray hairs.

I'm really contemplating creating an Instagram account and just propositioning regular, "normal" girls in my area that are aspiring models, social media influencers, or whatever the fuck. May be creepy, but simply asking if they've ever had a sugar daddy and leading them towards a fancy date where we could discuss things further shouldn't be a big deal.

My only constructive advice is if u really only have $500/month to spend on sex then find a pretty girl on SA and have sex once a month. Or find a fatty and have sex twice a month. Those things are definitely possible. But do it PPM not a monthly fee.

Apparently models don't make a whole lot and rumors have it their agents / agencies often connect them with clients for extra income. Curious if any mongers have supported any models that may know a thing or two about how clients get in touch with models agents / their agencies?

https://nypost.com/2017/08/29/model-...stitution-ring

I did meet a really hot high end blonde escort with armpit hair last year who is a model. She was the one who first informed me of the sketchiness in the industry. It's typical to sign contracts, do photo shoots, but still not pay the girls after. I just may have to see her again and ask about how some of her non-escort friends make their extra income.

Look I'm going to try to not be unkind here but you are misinformed or misguided in so many different ways:

You will never find a nice college girl on Seeking for $500-700/ month. Simply not going to happen. If a girl is good looking she will quickly figure out that she can charge $400+ per meetup (depending on city). And she's not going to be your friend or a true romance. It's all pretend. You are swimming in the wrong fishbowl.

Surely no model is going to even give you the time of day with that kinda cash. Yes. Some models sleep their way to the top. They sleep with the people who can advance their career. Not some guy off the street.

And the thing about doing modeling and not getting paid. This is called a scam. Yes. Happens all the time. Some guy says he's a photographer and convinces her to do shots. Maybe even sleeps with him. Maybe even makes her pay for "the proofs". Just a scam like any other. Legit photographers and agencies pay their talent.

Finally I laughed out loud in that article where the model says "I had a friend who did escort jobs and experienced unwanted sexual advances. " LOL. An escort should be EXPECTING sexual advances. That's what escorts do! It's amazing how naive some girls are and the papers and general public at large. But let's keep this our little secret.

My only constructive advice if u only have $500/month for this is either find a pretty girl on SA and have sex once a month or find a fatty and have sex twice a month. Both are very doable. Just do PPM not monthly. Good luck.

[RedWaters44]

Compare & contrast.

The experiences of Rextor, Oneminuteboy, RedWaters44 and others demonstrate that SA is a movable experiences based on country.

What works in one country for the girls can be an entirely different model in a different country.

If it is 'all business' as Oneminuteboy experienced, then, for me, I would abandon SA for that country as might as well just go the hooker route and get a professional experience without the SA tax.

When I monger in Philippines I don't even consider SA as it is attracting the girls with the wrong experience.

I completely agree. I'm so sick of Seeking Arrangements. It is filled with the trashiest, most retarded fucking women. The platform just does not attract high quality; it either perpetuates towards naive TikTok girls that are "just experimenting heheh" & want something strictly platonic or total crack WG that rely on the platform to pay rent.

I'm quite young compared to most users on the forum, so when I first signed up on Seeking Arrangements I was simply looking to find a like-minded college girl who I can take on fancy dates, fuck regularly for $500-700/ month, and maybe develop a friendship. So far my time on there has just been a giant waste of money and unnecessary gray hairs.

I'm really contemplating creating an Instagram account and just propositioning regular, "normal" girls in my area that are aspiring models, social media influencers, or whatever the fuck. May be creepy, but simply asking if they've ever had a sugar daddy and leading them towards a fancy date where we could discuss things further shouldn't be a big deal.

Apparently models don't make a whole lot and rumors have it their agents / agencies often connect them with clients for extra income. Curious if any mongers have supported any models that may know a thing or two about how clients get in touch with models agents / their agencies?

https://nypost.com/2017/08/29/model-...stitution-ring

I did meet a really hot high end blonde escort with armpit hair last year who is a model. She was the one who first informed me of the sketchiness in the industry. It's typical to sign contracts, do photo shoots, but still not pay the girls after. I just may have to see her again and ask about how some of her non-escort friends make their extra income.

[Oneminuteboy]

Guess my experience is that ignore / deflect is a good SBSD texting device to handle disconnects without making a big deal. You guys have any similar experiences?

I'm noticing the same with one I'm currently seeing.

If it's about clothing I just say "that looks nice". And leave it at that or switch the conversation.

Also had a moment where she tried to push a date through. She managed that the first time but it was a happy end.

The second time I deflected by saying my schedule doesn't allow it and she backs off.

[BrizLad]

Guess my experience is that ignore / deflect is a good SBSD texting device to handle disconnects without making a big deal. You guys have any similar experiences?

Actually just had one this week with a casual SB from a few months ago. From time to time she must just run through her address book asking for $$ help with this or that. The tell tale sign for me, is she switches from calling me BrizLad to calling me "babe". Her other tell is her message blocks switch from 1 sentence messages to 5 sentences per send.

My deflection is "OK, next time I see you".

[Steve 9696]

So maybe you guys know this but if your girl is headed a direction you don't like it's best to just ignore / deflect in texts. They do the same in return. Like Su was asking overtly for money — like hey babe I really need xxx. And I would just ignore and change the subject in the next text. Later in person I told her that pushes us apart and she seemed to understand but I think ignore was the best policy rather than making a big deal over text.

Same thing with Kayla but less overt. She will drop a hint that she's going to do X OR why is expensive. Sometimes I bite and send her something. Sometimes I don't — I just ignore and it seems no harm no foul. She does it in reverse so I think it's a thing! Like I suggest we go to the hotel before dinner and she just ignores and deflects with some other conversation. I know she's not down for that. But we don't have some big discussion.

Guess my experience is that ignore / deflect is a good SBSD texting device to handle disconnects without making a big deal. You guys have any similar experiences?

[Steve 9696]

Compare & contrast.

The experiences of Rextor, Oneminuteboy, RedWaters44 and others demonstrate that SA is a movable experiences based on country.

What works in one country for the girls can be an entirely different model in a different country.

If it is 'all business' as Oneminuteboy experienced, then, for me, I would abandon SA for that country as might as well just go the hooker route and get a professional experience without the SA tax.

When I monger in Philippines I don't even consider SA as it is attracting the girls with the wrong experience.

Totally agree. Only game in town in the US. And frankly really good if you put in the time. Found a gem in Buenos Aires where the hooker / club scene bites. But yeah In countries with good P4 P Seeking is really not your best bet. Think I've seen some success from DramaFree in Monterrey or some such. But scoring in strong P4 P countries is rare / hard. Or if you do all you are scoring is a P4 P girl using SA as a platform.

[BrizLad]

Compare & contrast.

The experiences of Rextor, Oneminuteboy, RedWaters44 and others demonstrate that SA is a movable experiences based on country.

What works in one country for the girls can be an entirely different model in a different country.

If it is 'all business' as Oneminuteboy experienced, then, for me, I would abandon SA for that country as might as well just go the hooker route and get a professional experience without the SA tax.

When I monger in Philippines I don't even consider SA as it is attracting the girls with the wrong experience.

[Oneminuteboy]

So I've met a few new candidates, in my own country. Also had a few cancel.

Of one that cancelled she was strictly business at the start that I had to warn her about SA rules. She saw this as a 6 month experiment for herself. Asked €500, which I agreed to. As we talked to pin a date she softened up. And eventually folded, scared to meet.

Had one that asked €350. But she wasn't really a looker. Because I wasn't sure I suggested the first meet just talk to see if there would be some chemistry but no fee, though expenses paid by me.
She got upset and blocked me.

Another one, looks to be more of a 6. Quoted a price of €200 per meet. Very willing to meet. Have this one on standby.

Soon meeting up with a 8/9. No price set. I really hope I can get this one, else the 6 just to see if she upgrades to a 7.

Met and slept with a 7, price at €300 per meet. Great pussy and company. Went straight to BB.

Another 7, I wasn't sure about her but got her to the room. Man was I disappointed, €350 fee. We agreed for 2-3 hours on the room. I let her go after 1 saying I was tired.

Things seem different than when I last fished in my own pond. One thing if for certain, the men are more crazy than before. The stories I heard explains why a lot disappear quickly.

[NeilGeorge]

I am in LA, and yes, those numbers for LA are just too low. The minimum to get anything here is 400. If you want a 9 and above, then at least 500. Of course, YMMV and you might get lucky and get a good one for less, but I am talking about the norm.

For $500 I tell the women I would rather look at porno and play with myself. Then they drop the price and their panties.

[Rextor]

I'm in Medellin now, for 1. 5 months already, and SA here sucks. 90%+ of SA girls have no clue how real SB-SD relationships work (or at least, some similar relationships, not 1 night stands). They don't think long term, they don't care about chemistry and affection, but they lie both are important to them. Every time I try to set up a date, I explain what I expect from the date, what I want and need. I explain what GFE means, without going into too much detail. I tell them how chemistry important to me, and that I want both of us to have fun and enjoy our time together. And you know what? They all agree to it, they lie that that is exactly what they are looking for, blah blah blah. When we finally meet, I give them my best BFE (boyfriend experience LOL) and make sure girls are comfortable and relaxed. Only to see them get dressed in less than 3 minutes and stand by the entrance door ready to leave after 1st (and last) round of sex. What a turnoff! And of course, no "thank you" or "would love to see you again" message after the date. Most of my SA dates in MDE happen to be 1 night stands, no matter how hard I try or screen them. Reminds me of Lleras girls, they want you to cum as fast as possible, so that they get back to the park to milk another sucker. The difference is that SA girls are usually lower volume, and provide better GFE service, overall than hardcore pros in El Centro or Parque Lleras.

My experience with sa in medellin is that it takes a fuck ton of time. There's maybe some gems ti be found but I think the FB route is just easier. Yeah FB girls are all at least Semi pros, but at least it's quick and reliable. If you want a real SB experience Seeking or as you said real life may be the way to go, but FB is just easier overall.

SA seemed ok in Mexico City, met a couple of great girls, but that was a year ago.

[Steve 9696]

SA / Tinder girls have provided much better service than all others putas. GFE all around. Only once I had a situation when SA girl tried to upcharge me for BBBJ (obviously, never saw her again). I would rather prefer PPM, which is per meet, than get charged by the hour by some Lleras puta and get mechanical all covered shitty service. There is nothing wrong with PPM as long as it serves both parties' needs. My dates with SA girls, with a few recent exceptions, are non-rushed, relaxed and passionate. Yes, I pay extra wine and dine expenses, taxis, etc but overall experience is so much better and well worth it. Sometimes a girl stays overnight, and the price we agreed on becomes so much sweeter, and cost per fuck decreases.

This is spot on. An SA date (done right) is so much more / better than just going to the room for an hour or two of sex. And yeah, the moment when you realize she's sleeping over because she WANTS to is simply priceless. My only fear is that I started SA just as a way to have sex in the US. But now some 25 girls later ive become totally addicted to the more complete experience. I honestly don't know how I will feel about straight up P4 P when that becomes available to me again. I've grown very accustomed to the companionship and romance part and think I will find pure P4 P lacking. Guess we'll see!

[Gunners1]

Please drop me a private message with a short note about you and your contact details. I will share it with her and you can take it from there.

G.

I am very much interested. I just bought a subscription using Bitcoin, about 9 hours ago and I am waiting for the Admin to activate my privileges. I am more of a contributor on the Los Angeles Sugar Babe USG forum, since I almost never travel and I live vicariously through you gentlemen.

[Steve 9696]

Great write up! Can any current members confirm whether they've had great mileage with those US rates? They seem awfully low but maybe I'm just nave (still learning the SA game).

My experience is rates are up a bit post pandemic. Going to be lucky to score an 8+ in a major US city for $400. Seems all the girls are asking $500 and sticking to it pretty good. Might get them down to $400. But don't think it's going lower than that. I've been thrilled with my $500 girls. Especially when they are 24 hrs like Kayla. Worth every penny.