FKK Oase - Burgholzhausen

[Rocko20]

Not so sure I agree. I think the girls already completely know the hierarchy and who the top girls are versus second tier etc.

Not exactly. Beauty is still largely subjective. While there are certainly "1st tier" women out there most men would choose, there are still plenty of other "2nd tier" women out there in high demand because someone finds them "1st tier. " One man's trash is another man's treasure.

I saw a few women in Oase who I wouldn't bone for free, and someone wanted them. Furthermore I've repeated women who were never picked by anyone else throughout the whole day. Not one single person wanted them. (There were "Brazilians" with a big ass which doesn't exactly meet the typical European standards of beauty).

Women don't necessarily charge based on who is "1st or 2nd tier," they charge on the fact that it's you who wants them. Meaning there were other women but you specifically chose them. Also known as supply and demand. There could be 50 women in the club but you're only going to want maybe 7, and your body might only allow you to shag 4.

[Sirioja]

Wait. You think you're making love?

There is a little difference between love in bed, I remember Kati at Oase on April 2019 telling: too much love for sex with you, and loving a girl. Just have to be able to understand. Not most of German WGs telling: I don't sell love, just killing desire for me.

[Sirioja]

I am surprised you never made love to Ester when she first started working at Sharks. She was a beauty back then and available when she was not Asian hunting.

I had Ester when she just arrived at Sharks on IAA 2015 from Wurzburg, without silicon nor acid, lovely girl but no wow in bed for me and lack of charm and quite average face for my eyes compare to Karolina. Pol, Agnes. Pol, Karin, Megan who arrived from Mainhattan. I never respected my promise to repeat but she remained smiling. Lovely behavior, sweet girl, but sad to see how in this business, girls can change, like her business sister, or Roxana who was a star before silicon, not anymore after. At least Ester remained nice behavior, when some change behavior under business. I saw her on July, but business changed at Sharks, even few Asians yesterday, 1 buying a bottle with a small Romanian.

[Maxime]

Wait. You think you're making love?

Sirioja is! 😎.

[Neurosynth]

I am surprised you never made love to Ester when she first started working at Sharks.

Wait. You think you're making love?

[Turgid]

What about her blond business sister who was prettier model type when she started at Sharks but put silicon balloons and duck lips. I wonder who are their models to put themselves becoming so ugly like this.....

I am surprised you never made love to Ester when she first started working at Sharks. She was a beauty back then and available when she was not Asian hunting.

[Sirioja]

I last saw Esther at Sharks in March last year the day before they closed. There were very few people in the club but she was very busy. Her looks had been deteriorating over the years and she augmented her breasts and lips which did not seem to help her.

What about her blond business sister who was prettier model type when she started at Sharks but put silicon balloons and duck lips. I wonder who are their models to put themselves becoming so ugly like this, when Kardashian may be a model to have a fat ass. Ester and her business sister were a bit at Sharks on July, but business changed, less Asians, and after emptying painful balls, quite slow business on my visits on September. And what will happen when no more fast test on October. At Dusseldorf airport, usually crowded with Turkish until 4 or 5 am, running to girls at the end, but on Thursday night, usually quite crowded, empty at 2 am, only 1 survivor, me, they asked me to leave when I woke up at 2.30 am, no more girl, nobody else when I was ready to eat but no more foods and to try to find a beauty even the new fresh prettiest was just 0 in bed, waste of 50 for me for 40 mn I tried, at least she seemed OK I gave her 50, but can't take inside a normal and hard with blood pressure, not a spaghetti, size. Fortunately, got elsewhere before a pretty girl who is a real kisser, I think she could kiss me for hours, I liked.

[Turgid]

Ester was not anymore busy on Sharks reopening, even plenty full painful balls. She was at Sharks since IAA 2015.

I last saw Esther at Sharks in March last year the day before they closed. There were very few people in the club but she was very busy. Her looks had been deteriorating over the years and she augmented her breasts and lips which did not seem to help her.

[Sirioja]

Ester was not anymore busy on Sharks reopening, even plenty full painful balls. She was at Sharks since IAA 2015.

[Mursenary]

Esther and Ivonna are currently advertising on Ladies in Darmstadt as privates. Whether it be inside the club or as privates, I imagine that some WGs prefer doing three one-hour rooms for 450 as opposed to 5-6 one hour rooms for 500-600. Yes, their total take-home would be less, but it's the WG equivalent of work-life balance and prevents mental and physical burnout. And ofc, there is the satisfaction that they are not "lowering their value."

Which brings me back to my main point, if girls want to charge incall rates, let them do that in private venues. In the club, you're in a general-use room that's rented by the 30 minutes. You can see the girl you roomed with fucking a half dozen dudes after you. She's providing a common-property / general-use experience due to the lack of an exclusive / private atmosphere.

Why should one pay private prices for a common property / general use experience? Furthermore, in the clubs, the girls are provided safety and a social atmosphere for some semblance of mental health. In privates, they are working in solitude and risk meeting a dangerous / violent client. The higher rates would help assuage the threat to personal safety such as a client taking their money while still sexually having their way with them (actual realities of the girls working hotel rooms and privates).

So fuck that. I'm not a Cheap Charlie, but I sure as hell am not a fan of not getting a good deal.

[McAdonis]

But on closer inspection, the young "bearded" clients dominate the scene. They are hardly the biggest spenders which leads me to believe that this level of pricing cannot sustain itself. Girls themselves complain that they aren't making any money despite a packed room of men.

Despite seeing the club packed to capacity, I did not notice room waits or WGs long-rooming whales. But to be fair, I have not logged many visits during the pandemic era.

I know I am doing less rooms at Sharks. In 2014, I was consistently doing 3-4 rooms every visit. By 2018-2019, I was doing 1-2 rooms. My net worth and income increased, yet my total spend was cut in half. Point is when I see value, I spend more. When I don't, I buy only what I need (1-2 pops).

Returning back to the present: even if mongers are rooming less, just the fact that the club is full, offers the WGs hope, and it gives them the confidence to stick to their 150 per 60 min pricing. When you offer legacy pricing of 100 for 60 minutes or 200 for 120 minutes, she could brush you off (especially if you are not the type who logs 80 visits per year or she does not recognize you as someone who has exhibited whale behavior with other WG). Because all she sees is a club full of men, and the possibility that she can catch a bigger fish than you. These WGs are eternally optimistic, just watch how many get addicted to gambling on those slot machines: she's convinced that she will hit the jackpot today, but she won't be able to catch her whale if she lets you occupy her time!

You can even see girls leaving as the late night crowds arrive. It's not a question of if, but when, many girls explore other venues.

Esther and Ivonna are currently advertising on Ladies in Darmstadt as privates. Whether it be inside the club or as privates, I imagine that some WGs prefer doing three one-hour rooms for 450 as opposed to 5-6 one hour rooms for 500-600. Yes, their total take-home would be less, but it's the WG equivalent of work-life balance and prevents mental and physical burnout. And ofc, there is the satisfaction that they are not "lowering their value."

[McAdonis]

While upselling could be a reason, I think the rapid increase in Sharks customers at that time was due to 2 other reasons. Firstly, Oase after the building expansion decided to recoup money through the restaurant by limiting to one free meal. The girls who lived-in took breakfast as they were hungry when they woke up, which meant that they had to spend money on dinner. They were also being compulsorily charged for wifi. Some girls told me that they had thus to upsell to try to cover the increased costs. Many Oase girls and their customers flocked to Sharks as a result of the meal constraint. I for one grew tired of having pasta/pizza every evening. Secondly, World started micromanaging the working time of their girls. Many of them then flocked to Sharks The shortage of girls in World then resulted in even tighter schedule controls leading to more departures. With the ever depleting line up, a large number of World customers switched to Sharks as their primary club.

Thanks for the background TBH I may have converted from Oase to Sharks before all these developments.

All the WGs I went with at Sharks were from smaller regional clubs or fresh-off the bus. The WGs who had large followings were Sandra, Roxana, and I think Mandy came 1-2 years later. I never went with them, but to my knowledge, Sharks was their first Hessen big-five club. Had they been refugees from another club, any one of them could bring 50+ customers with them. Off-topic but, I remember a time when Roxana barely knew English, so that was definitely the period before the English-speaking tourists arrived.

Oase management gave WGs carte blanche to shark with impunity. Surely that extra 200 EUR of earnings per day offsets paying for wifi and a dinner? I believe I soured on Oase around 2014 or earlier. During 2015 and 2016, I may have only attended Oase 1-2 times a year. And the last time I set foot in Oase was definitely before the 2017 laws. The crowds continued and the sharking intensified, even after I stopped attending, based on what I heard and read.

[The Cane]

Not so sure I agree. I think the girls already completely know the hierarchy and who the top girls are versus second tier etc. They've known since middle school. And yet the second tier girls are asked to hold the line on price and charge same as top tier girls. And by supporting the cartel they are under cutting their ability to make proper money. Let the top girls have the whales. Let the second tier girls have the dolphins.

Guess it's all a scholastic argument anyhow. I'll just keep going and pay what I pay. And others what they pay and then we'll argue about it and fuck some more anyhow. LOL.

It's not what the girls know Steve. It's how that knowledge is presented to other people and the world around them. There may be some informal "pricing order," but how is that being made known to buyers? I think Mursenary has the correct understanding of human emotion here. It's not what the girls know. It's what the mongers know, and how they found that out. By one girl announcing she's a cheap piece of ass while another announces she's prime pussy? Maybe some mongers would like that, but I don't believe most women would.

[Sirioja]

Foods were always free since I discovered Oase on end of June 2014. Only pizzas were not free but became on 2019. On 2015, regular girls started to upsell and level fell except on 2019 when Oase was my best casting seen, but new beauties didn't stay for long. Sharks had only around 40 girls when I discovered on February 2014 and nothing exceptional, more numerous and prettier girls at World until June 2014. Isabella moved from Oase on 2013 to Sharks on beginning of 2014 then World on April until June when she disappeared of Hessen. On 2015 , World started to fall, same for Oase and Sharks started to grow, but not so many World or Oase girls moved to Sharks. Since then, business is at Sharks, long time Oase girls killing upselling their business even few can get good business, but most often empty except taking sun in the garden. When 100 girls at World on Saturdays 2010/2011, around 200 on some Fridays / Saturdays on end of 2016/2017 at Sharks. Less after. After emptying balls, business don't seem so exceptional on September at Sharks, maybe why casting fell, but had really good visits on this Summer with many for 100/60 rooms and never heard about 200. Casting was low on my 2 Oase visits.

[TankTank123]

Back in 2013, Oase was the undisputed king of Hessen. Between 2012-2014, Sharks was empty. When upselling spread like a cancer at Oase, the mongers slowly migrated to Sharks over the course of 3-5 years.

While upselling could be a reason, I think the rapid increase in Sharks customers at that time was due to 2 other reasons. Firstly, Oase after the building expansion decided to recoup money through the restaurant by limiting to one free meal. The girls who lived-in took breakfast as they were hungry when they woke up, which meant that they had to spend money on dinner. They were also being compulsorily charged for wifi. Some girls told me that they had thus to upsell to try to cover the increased costs. Many Oase girls and their customers flocked to Sharks as a result of the meal constraint. I for one grew tired of having pasta/pizza every evening.
Secondly, World started micromanaging the working time of their girls. Many of them then flocked to Sharks The shortage of girls in World then resulted in even tighter schedule controls leading to more departures. With the ever depleting line up, a large number of World customers switched to Sharks as their primary club. There were days with almost 200 girls in Sharks, and with such competition, upselling was not possible.
Some time later Oase went back to unlimited free meals, while World introduced slightly more flexibility for the girls, but the damage had been done, and they could not stop the growth of Sharks. Of course, one cannot foreclose Sharks doing something stupid in the future.