Kyiv

[RacShack]

Yes, this is the optimum time for price conscious person to travel to Ukraine. The flights are cheap, girls are free and service should be lot better with good options. There might be some skirmishes going on in Kiev and other areas closer to Russia but for the most part you can have good time in places like Lviv, Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivisk and other cities located in western Ukraine.

Optimum time? Hmm anyone mention about the war that is going to start? Are you sure you mention optimum time is now?

[Desin]

Did this logic help while preparing for visits? Or score consistently while already in Kiev? Or anywhere else?.

Yes, the (ages old) logic of supply and demand proved to be correct: as other persons in this forum stated last summer, the prices had suddenly gone up because of the flood of Arabs. This brought down the availability of 120 dollar (non-salon) girls, which were supposed to be on relatively good supply based on previous information from both the forum and personal communication with girls before the summer season. This leads to the conclusion that certain changes in the supply and demand rate can and most likely will affect prices in such a way that one has to pay more. Since the news of the changed situation came only weeks before the trip, it was too late to change plans. This is why it's smart to take the whole situation in consideration, when planning a trip.

By the way, you didn't offer any contradicting examples about "learning about history", in regards that the prices would go up if the demand goes down. I'm willing to read such examples with interest, if you have them.

Before last summer's trip I actually had contacted girls through Mamba that were willing to come for that 120 dollar price, but the more they sent me their pictures and the more I communicated with them (and I kept this to the minimum) the less I wanted to meet them. I don't care for certain kind of individuals, of which one can usually recognize from their style.

Even as my purpose is not to buy girls attention with money, to use it as a tool to get her interest directed towards me, I've become more and more picky in regards to the character of the girl: I've noted that I don't enjoy sex to the fullest if the personality of the girl is such that I find it even a bit of repulsive. Finding a girl I really want to meet just for sex is a time consuming process, and even if the supply is good (like in the case of 250-300 dollar girls, where one can just pick whomever he wants) it's a rather slim chance to find a keeper. A girl whom I prefer and with whom sex is always good. I've met three of these. That's like one out of ten.

Personally, I have yet to make a decision of whether to travel to Kiev if this situation is calmed down in the next month. If all is normalized, then Kiev goes up in terms of appeal. Supply and demand might be on a good spot.

[Jojosun]

KLM and Lufthansa have now stop flying in and out of Ukraine. I hope you all got out in time.

On the ground in Kiev and they are the ones who know the situation more than anyone else and they are not in a Rush to Leave.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/with-e...rush-to-leave/

'sources in the aviation industry confirmed to the Kan public broadcaster that there are hardly any Israelis leaving Ukraine, with low occupancy on each flight out to Israel.'

[Nero6]

KLM and Lufthansa have now stop flying in and out of Ukraine. I hope you all got out in time.

[PhotoSlider]

It's simple logic.

Did this logic help while preparing for visits? Or score consistently while already in Kiev? Or anywhere else?

Everybody has his own preferences. Some work better than others. Some habits are difficult to abandon.

Empirical practice results seem like a good criteria of success.

Best of luck in your future endeavors, and please post your reports. With or without the graphic description of positions. I personally like missionary, because I can go for DFK. Doggie is equally attractive, just the thought of firmly holding in my hands one of those gorgeous behinds leaves me speechless for a moment. But then there are young ballerinas and gymnast ladies, that opened up a totally different universe, that Kama Sutra didn't help me to even imagine.

[Jojosun]

I left. This is based on local and foreign people I know in Ukraine. The foreigners I know in Ukraine (some already left) and the rest will leave this weekend. Why do you think so many countries Foreign Minister service say leave Ukraine now (fast).

Also today the Russians start to send there diplomats out of Ukraine and back to Russia.

Also the last couple of day's there just been built a large field hospital on the Russian side of the border.

And from Kiev to the Berlarus border where there are Russian trops only few hours drive.

And today https://www.archyde.com/the-iraqi-fo...-travel-to-it/.

What a Fucking joke from a bunch of crooks and thieves where its citizens only weeks ago were camped on the Belarus border trying to get into Poland after paying thousands of $" to flee Iraq.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0qzW39ZVqCw

[CallSignRomeo]

No. Fatal mistake.

Best price if you go right now. Girls need money. Summer = The crisis will be over. Tourists come back. Every nice girl will be on vacation. Or Kyiv will be a part of Russia.

Yes, this is the optimum time for price conscious person to travel to Ukraine. The flights are cheap, girls are free and service should be lot better with good options. There might be some skirmishes going on in Kiev and other areas closer to Russia but for the most part you can have good time in places like Lviv, Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivisk and other cities located in western Ukraine.

[Desin]

Yep, consumer mentality. I'm not saying pay premium.

It's simple logic: when the girls have a lot of potential clients lining up in Mamba, they can charge more. When there are less. To the point that they would like to have more. Then they can accept lower prices. About premium: like I said, I've already paid enough 250-300 dollar / hours and found out that it's simply not worth it. My regulars have been less than 150 dollar for hour and their looks and skills in sex have been perfect for me, so I won't settle for less. Since so few girls in Mamba replied last summer, the market in Kiev didn't appear satisfying. If this would change, it gives a new interest to the city. I liked the place otherwise.

If the history teaches us anything, then you would understand that when times are tough, and the visiting hobbyists are scarce, Ukrainian girls raise prices.

This sentence requires further explanation, since there hasn't been mentions about the prices in previous critical moments in the history of Kiev / Ukraine. Is this your personal experience? Where did the spike in prices show up? Non-pro, semi-pro, pro?

Stop analyzing. You over-engineer it.

It's called planning. I use this forum to find a place to have a holiday. That's the reason to read these posts: to find information about availability, prices and experiences with independent girls, salons etc. I see that some like to use it for other purposes, but based on the amount of questions related to direct experiences concerning prices, availability of girls etc. In this forum at large, I would say that most of the people are here for that. To share their experiences among these issues. Some like to write stories of what they did. All the way to what positions they had etc. - but I find that to be rather amusing. In a silly way. But everyone to their tastes.

There was good discussion around last spring and summer.

No. Fatal mistake.

Best price if you go right now. Girls need money. Summer = The crisis will be over. Tourists come back. Every nice girl will be on vacation. Or Kyiv will be a part of Russia.

1st: there are periodically fixed vacation times that prevent the travel at one's leisure, so my main trip of the year will be in the summer season. I'd say that I have to book my trip in the next two months, so I still have a little bit of time to wait to see if the dust will rise or settle down.

2st: I wouldn't consider it safe to travel at this moment. Nobody can say what will happen to the (return) flights in the next month.

[Nero6]

Are you in Ukraine, or is this advice based on news reports?

I left. This is based on local and foreign people I know in Ukraine. The foreigners I know in Ukraine (some already left) and the rest will leave this weekend. Why do you think so many countries Foreign Minister service say leave Ukraine now (fast).

Also today the Russians start to send there diplomats out of Ukraine and back to Russia.

Also the last couple of day's there just been built a large field hospital on the Russian side of the border.

And from Kiev to the Berlarus border where there are Russian trops only few hours drive.

[VinDici]

Many foreign ministry service say do not travel to Ukraine and if you are in Ukraine leave ASP. The situation is out of control and Russia can attack any time.

My advice do not go to Ukraine and if you are in Ukraine leave fast.

Are you in Ukraine, or is this advice based on news reports?

[Nero6]

Many foreign ministry service say do not travel to Ukraine and if you are in Ukraine leave ASP. The situation is out of control and Russia can attack any time.

My advice do not go to Ukraine and if you are in Ukraine leave fast.

[Misterxxx]

Last summer people were reporting that the prices had gone high because of the Arabs flooding the streets and markets of Kiev. There really were a lot of them. So it's no wonder that my 120 dollar offers in Mamba didn't attract too much interest.

My thoughts are that summer 2022 could be different because of the current uncertain political situation. How many people are ready to make plans or book trips to Kiev at this moment? If the situation doesn't dissolve to normal in this month. Or at least the next month. I would expect it to have an impact on tourism on summer season. And that could bring the prices down. If this happens then Kiev would be an interest of mine again.

Let's see how it plays out.

No. Fatal mistake.

Best price if you go right now. Girls need money. Summer = The crisis will be over. Tourists come back. Every nice girl will be on vacation. Or Kyiv will be a part of Russia.

[PhotoSlider]

I would expect it to have an impact on tourism on summer season. And that could bring the prices down. If this happens then Kiev would be an interest of mine again.

Yep, consumer mentality. I'm not saying pay premium. My philosophy is simple: I need 3-5 girls, regulars from prior visits, interspersed with newly found barbers, masseuses, and hourly providers. I think I'll be able to find those.

One of my regulars still wants to meet. She is the one that easily allowed me to bring in my new beauties, while she slept on the sofa in leaving room at my apartment. I found her in Kiev in June 2014, when invasion into Eastern Ukraine was in full swing. I didn't notice any difference. Had 6 girls total in 36 hours after landing at KBP, and then departing. Including threesome with beautiful Lana and another no name girl from the good agency, that doesn't exist anymore.

If the history teaches us anything, then you would understand that when times are tough, and the visiting hobbyists are scarce, Ukrainian girls raise prices.

Stop analyzing. You over-engineer it. Just go and fuck them, wherever it strikes your fancy. Africa, Australia, there are girls everywhere. You already mentioned spending too much time on smartphone. Typical mistake in Kiev.

Best of luck!

[Desin]

I do not consider anybody as my competition. I don't care who the visitors are. Arabs, Germans, Brits, Israeli, - same difference to me. My interest is in Ukrainian beauties. Most of the time I think about females anyway, and not about men.

Last summer people were reporting that the prices had gone high because of the Arabs flooding the streets and markets of Kiev. There really were a lot of them. So it's no wonder that my 120 dollar offers in Mamba didn't attract too much interest.

My thoughts are that summer 2022 could be different because of the current uncertain political situation. How many people are ready to make plans or book trips to Kiev at this moment? If the situation doesn't dissolve to normal in this month. Or at least the next month. I would expect it to have an impact on tourism on summer season. And that could bring the prices down. If this happens then Kiev would be an interest of mine again.

Let's see how it plays out.

[PhotoSlider]

I'm thinking about the current situation in relation to timing: if the situation doesn't dissolve, will the Arabs be that crowd that can still pick up flights couple of months before summer vacation season and choose Kiev as their destination? Or are they 'regular' people who make their travel plans early on in the spring-time?

I do not consider anybody as my competition. I don't care who the visitors are. Arabs, Germans, Brits, Israeli, - same difference to me. My interest is in Ukrainian beauties. Most of the time I think about females anyway, and not about men.

For me, there are women whom I consider interesting. These are highly intelligent and either educated or creative persons. Then there are the women I want to fuck. It is extremely rare for these two to coincide.

To me the sexiest part of female body is brain. Having sex with intelligent, creative, interesting woman gives incomparable pleasure. Yes, those are rare, but their density in population of Kiev is certainly few orders of the value higher than average on the planet. Take into the account how Ukrainian moms bring up their daughters, teach them proper behavior, and there is no comparison.

I met a girl from Tinder in Kiev and she even did the joke about me offering money for sex, but since I hesitated with "is this a trap"-thought (like would she just delete me from contacts) and instead went for the non-sexual approach (we went to take pictures for some hours) I didn't dare to ask it again. It would have been exactly what I had hoped for. In retrospect I understand that she would have not kept that age group in Tinder, if it wasn't for money.

I would say you made a mistake. And it's good that you are strong enough to admit it. Ukrainian women like sex.

at the present moment, I don't really want to get to know the girl I want to fuck. If I find a girl really interesting, I actually want to have many hours of conversation with her. The sex would spoil something of it, for me.

At least you want to have a conversation with some. Not everybody does.

Yeah, I mix and interweave all sorts of female personalities and behavior. Creates an interesting fabric of my life.

But one could get lucky. And also scammed and robbed.

No reason to be reckless and careless in any locality, but females feel if you are not sure how to proceed. May destroy the vibes.

I feel that a requirement for a successful visit would be to have at least one reliable and enjoyable contact, with whom one can have sex in each day he wants.

It certainly is possible. 3-4 weeks in and heavenly gates open up.