Rants, Stupid Shit and Coronavirus in Thailand

[LookingLooking]

By the way, once you cleared your PCR test, could you bring a girl back to your room? Or did you have to change hotels?

The right answer is, yes.

But some hotels don't give a fark about guests. They may say no. They may even say everything is a yes before you get your PCR test results. I stay in 1 which allowed me to go out of the hotel to collect my food delivery and in the process I walked to the nearest 7-11 (5 min away) to take beer back to my room to drink. Seriously I can see they don't give a fark about my quarantine.

Do consult your hotel beforehand.

[Mr Enternational]

Many people, not just me, see them as people and enjoy getting to know them too.

Of course they are people. They are people with a certain job to do. And that job is fucking for money. When you are looking for a guy to paint your house do you tell him hey let me buy you some drinks before you get started and hope he really likes you enough to let you pay him to paint your house? No. You say how much to paint my house because you know he is a house painter. I do not know how this get lost when it is about pussy.

You come across as a cheap Charlie who thinks they know best.

I don't know if I know best, but what I do know is that I am paying for pussy. You seem to think you are impressing them with your drink buying abilities. But even after all that you are still not able to fuck them. You leave thinking well I guess I did not buy her enough drinks. I better come back tomorrow and buy more.

P.S. - please please please go up to the prettiest gogo girl you can find and by way of introduction ask her 'do you do anal?' I'm dying to hear how that goes.

Go up to the prettiest hooker and ask her about sex? She knows what she is there for, but evidently some of her customers do not.

[Breadman]

So I met this younger guy a few months ago on soi 6 and you know how these girls want to latch onto a younger guy for a relationship, marriage and all that. Anyway he has a unique view on the long time setup here in Thailand with pay for play. He won't 'pay the girls for sex' but at times he will 'give them 1000 baht to come by his condo after work'. Then in his mind the sex isn't pay for play since he paid ahead of time. There are few mid 30's guys roaming around Thailand so he gets lots of attention. Helps that he's on Thai Friendly. He'll even tell them 'I'll spend time with you but I won't give you money'. So he gets the girls that have sponsors, girls that just want to have sex with a younger guy at their discretion. But he draws a very 'unique' line between working girls and a relationship. That line is the thinness of a condom. You give a girl money and she has sex without a condom then he looks down on the girl for not having safe sex. But in the mean time he's seeing a girl that he paid at the beginning to get her over (or gave her the money) and she has sex with him bareback then its a different story. They are 'in a relationship' so bareback is now allowed. An interesting view I must say. He also has a unique view on a working girl being in a 'relationship' where she gets no support and works in the bars having sex with other men. That is allowed as long as a condom is in use.

Now to me money is what controls these girls. You want sex, give them money. You want a relationship, give them support to send back home. I've been in this game too long not to have realized money is the key to all things. The guy met a really good looking girl and got her to quit opening her legs to earn money. He flew back home after his visa ended after buying her a 100,000 baht motorcycle with plans on paying for her condo while he worked a few months and then coming back. He has very little savings and wants to move here permanently and get a job teaching. A relationship fraught with many pitfalls from a girl used to making tons of cash and having a guy who's running low on money. Will be interesting to see where he is in ten years and if a working girl can become a homebody.

I know that this post is a bit of a ramble. But it is that way because his arguments are so unlike what pay for play is all about. Young man's syndrome might be a good description for it. I told him he should head out to the province and find normal girls and see if his charm works on them instead of focusing on working girls.

[Sir Lancelot]

Newsflash! She is a HOOKER. She is there to fuck for money!

We established when we locked horns on this page before my trip that that's all you see these girls as. Someone to bang if necessary terms and conditions are agreed on beforehand. Many people, not just me, see them as people and enjoy getting to know them too. That's the bit you seem to be missing. You come across as a cheap Charlie who thinks they know best.

As I said earlier, people have different approaches and there isn't a right way, no matter how vehemently you suggest there is.

P.S. - please please please go up to the prettiest gogo girl you can find and by way of introduction ask her 'do you do anal?' I'm dying to hear how that goes.

[EihTooms]

It is not about a budget. It is about someone not realizing they are dealing with hookers. You do not have to butter them up or win them over by buying drinks as he is reportedly attempting and failing to do. You merely have to ask them how much to come fuck. The shit is elementary.

But if he thinks he is going to win some type of prize or it makes him feel all fuzzy inside buying drinks then enjoy the pleasure. But it has zero to do with whether you will be able to fuck the girl as it seems he is attributing it to.

Of course, it is very much about the money with these girls. Not 100% that and only that. But mostly that.

Therefore, on the issue of money and bargirls, it's not like taking a girl without buying her a LadyDrink upfront causes the whole issue of the money she and the bar would have otherwise gotten for those LDs evaporate from the exchange and forgotten. Your approach is asking a bargirl to leave 200 baht on the table that she would otherwise split with the bar that allows her to stand or sit around and ply her trade out of the heat and rain minus the actual cost of the booze for every LD you don't buy her. And in exchange for what?

I have no doubt girls who can't imagine getting two or more LadyDrinks bought for them tonight would jump at the offer. But girls who are at least popular enough to know they can easily get 2 or more LDs bought for them and get the barfine paid for them and get close to their asking price in the room any night of the week would have no incentive to do it unless some bizarre desperate circumstances arose for her the very night and hour you happened to hit on her.

A popular bargirl might be fine with doing that as long as she calculates she will get that "butter me up" extra 200-400 baht out of you in some other way. In some cases, it could easily be after you've paid the barfine and discovered in the room that no way in hell is the chemistry right with this one. That is when I would wish I had only invested 200 baht and 10 minutes sitting next to her in the bar before I wasted my time taking her back to my room and dealing with whatever money will be exchanged now.

Unless you are saying you and anyone reading your posts can easily walk into any bar, choose a girl among the most popular ones, among the better lookers by a reasonable consensus of punters, simply say "let's go" or at most after just a moment or two of chitchat that likely isn't even about sex and she'd hop off the stage and go with you. Whereupon you will, after just paying the barfine and taking her to your room, get the BBFS+CIP you've said is the undiscussed norm in Thailand during a Long Time starting at a reasonable time of the night and all for only the 1,000-1,100 baht you say you have virtually always paid for LT and almost never more than that.

Yes, if that is what you are saying you routinely do any time of the day or night in go-go bars, beer bars and so on without haunting the venues at all and sometimes ungodly hours, waiting around like a sick puppy waiting for the rare opportunity to arise where such a thing might happen with a girl who would otherwise have no problem getting LD commissions paid to her, barfines paid for her and 2,000+ baht paid to her just for ST, then you are indeed the King of Thai Punters!

However, something tells me that isn't the way it routinely works for you nor would it likely routinely work that way for anyone else. Sure, it might happen occasionally for anyone if the stars are aligned just so. But routinely and predictably on any given night with any given girl the punter actually wants to fuck, highly doubtful.

Again, I can only compare my experience and observation with bargirls in Bangkok. Maybe it is a whole different bargirl world in Pattaya.

[IHeartIpa]

I actually think some of your comments are naive. If I approached the girl from at Lai with your clumsy suggestion, she'd ignore me. She's too pretty and too popular. I'm getting vibes that you aim for girls a few rungs down the ladder, so it might work for you but it wouldn't for every girl, especially the popular ones.

That was my read as well. If you're a typical Pattaya sexpat you're goal is cheap sex often. Never paying more than 1300 (1000+300 room maybe). No buying drinks unless you have to, and definitely no tipping. This works fine for the 30 yo+ ladies as they are happy to have any customer. And since Pattaya has way more 30+ ladies than under 30 I can see how a expat thinks this way.

What annoys me about these expats is that its the tourist $$ that keeps Pattaya going, not the cheap charlies. New girls aren't coming to Pattaya to meet only customers who don't buy drinks and don't tip. At Mr. Enternational Don't put down tourists whose money Pattaya desperately needs ATM.

[Gonz0]

Yes.

They drink the real shot, and then I order more (up to 4).

Considering that the lady expected the watered down drink, and that they want (to remain sober, I wondered whether some might not appreciate having to drink the real tequila shot.

[Member #4753]

It never ceases to amaze me on this forum there is always someone who thinks one rule fits all. If I approached the girl from at Lai with your clumsy suggestion, she'd ignore me. She's too pretty and too popular.

I totally agree with this, you cannot be a Cheap Charlie with a top of the rung girl that is in demand. Standard practice to buy them a drink once they sit down. Investing 1 or 2 drinks in a hottie is well worth it so you can judge what your next move is.

[Mr Enternational]

If I approached the girl from at Lai with your clumsy suggestion, she'd ignore me. She's too pretty and too popular.

Newsflash! She is a HOOKER. She is there to fuck for money!

Buying a bunch of lady drinks and not being able to fuck a hooker is pretty much worse than not buying lady drinks and being ignored. Either way you leave with a hard, dry dick, but one way you leave with dignity and the money you started with.

Spent all that money on a hooker and still did not fuck. You can buy drinks for random broads and not fuck back home. What is mongering coming to?

[Mr Enternational]

Not everyone is on a strict budget like it's sounds like you are bud, plus his reports are excellent boots on ground reports very helpful, on like others, if he buys 50 drinks on his amazing trip he's having, its 200 dollars and it's his 200, the day I have to worry about 200 $ is the day I stop traveling, but that won't be happening anytime soon!

It is not about a budget. It is about someone not realizing they are dealing with hookers. You do not have to butter them up or win them over by buying drinks as he is reportedly attempting and failing to do. You merely have to ask them how much to come fuck. The shit is elementary.

But if he thinks he is going to win some type of prize or it makes him feel all fuzzy inside buying drinks then enjoy the pleasure. But it has zero to do with whether you will be able to fuck the girl as it seems he is attributing it to.

[Chimpo Chinn]

I think we've established before that our outlook on mongering is totally different. You sound a very frugal gent who views the process as a business transaction. I'm on holiday and want to enjoy myself as well as going with lots of girls. It never ceases to amaze me on this forum there is always someone like you who thinks one rule fits all. There only one was doing things correctly (your way, naturally) and only one 'correct' price to pay.

I actually think some of your comments are naive. If I approached the girl from at Lai with your clumsy suggestion, she'd ignore me. She's too pretty and too popular. I'm getting vibes that you aim for girls a few rungs down the ladder, so it might work for you but it wouldn't for every girl, especially the popular ones.

Good clean rebuttal.

Me E views just unconventional. We want fun at reasonable prices. We don't want bottom dwelling girls, no offense to them.

[Sir Lancelot]

What chase? Are you guys not realizing these chicks are hookers or what a hooker is? They fuck for money. No need to coax them or kiss up to them with drinks. Determined to buy a girl a bunch of drinks before you pay her to fuck sounds weird. Why not just be determined to pay her to fuck from the start? You guys have this mongering thing totally mixed up.

I think we've established before that our outlook on mongering is totally different. You sound a very frugal gent who views the process as a business transaction. I'm on holiday and want to enjoy myself as well as going with lots of girls. It never ceases to amaze me on this forum there is always someone like you who thinks one rule fits all. There only one was doing things correctly (your way, naturally) and only one 'correct' price to pay.

I actually think some of your comments are naive. If I approached the girl from at Lai with your clumsy suggestion, she'd ignore me. She's too pretty and too popular. I'm getting vibes that you aim for girls a few rungs down the ladder, so it might work for you but it wouldn't for every girl, especially the popular ones.

[RacShack]

LOL. I have always said to use drinks as a reward, not a preward. Most guys think they have to walk in and immediately buy a drink for a chick. No. A chick has to show me she is worthy of me buying her drink besides the fact that she is there working.

Joke with her for a few minutes, ask about barfine, touch on her if you want, THEN buy the drink if you are getting good vibes or if she is entertaining. Don't just go throwing a 140 baht drink on every chick that you think looks good. After buying tons of drinks you may get a surprise such as Sam did. He could have walked in and said I like you; how much is barfine and would have known from the jump that she does not boom boom.

All I can do is fucking laugh. Sounds like you guys are the kings of buying ladydrinks, but the jesters of getting laid in a hooker den.

What chase? Are you guys not realizing these chicks are hookers or what a hooker is? They fuck for money. No need to coax them or kiss up to them with drinks. Determined to buy a girl a bunch of drinks before you pay her to fuck sounds weird. Why not just be determined to pay her to fuck from the start? You guys have this mongering thing totally mixed up.

Not everyone is on a strict budget like it's sounds like you are bud, plus his reports are excellent boots on ground reports very helpful, on like others, if he buys 50 drinks on his amazing trip he's having, its 200 dollars and it's his 200, the day I have to worry about 200 $ is the day I stop traveling, but that won't be happening anytime soon! Hope this helps you see he's just having fun his way, and sounds like not worrying about a few bucks! With many good reports on where to stay, drink, (and not to drink) eat, and so on!

[Mr Enternational]

Sam chose the place because he recognised a pretty girl he'd seen at Olny LK Bar the night before. He bought her a drink but when he asked about the bar-fine she told him 'I not boom-boom'.

LOL. I have always said to use drinks as a reward, not a preward. Most guys think they have to walk in and immediately buy a drink for a chick. No. A chick has to show me she is worthy of me buying her drink besides the fact that she is there working.

Joke with her for a few minutes, ask about barfine, touch on her if you want, THEN buy the drink if you are getting good vibes or if she is entertaining. Don't just go throwing a 140 baht drink on every chick that you think looks good. After buying tons of drinks you may get a surprise such as Sam did. He could have walked in and said I like you; how much is barfine and would have known from the jump that she does not boom boom.

Interestingly Sam had been working on a girl from this bar for a while, buying her ladydrinks, and when he asked about meeting her on her day off, she agreed. But next day she sent him a Line message saying she couldn't meet as her Dad died.

All I can do is fucking laugh. Sounds like you guys are the kings of buying ladydrinks, but the jesters of getting laid in a hooker den.

We went to at Lai and again my favourite girl was with a Korean customer. I enjoy the thrill of the chase and I'm determined to buy this girl at least one lady-drink.

What chase? Are you guys not realizing these chicks are hookers or what a hooker is? They fuck for money. No need to coax them or kiss up to them with drinks. Determined to buy a girl a bunch of drinks before you pay her to fuck sounds weird. Why not just be determined to pay her to fuck from the start? You guys have this mongering thing totally mixed up.

[Member #4813]

Answer to your question:

No, you are not taken directly to the hotel. You're taken directly to the hospital administering the covid test (nasal swab). It's a drive through test site and I stayed in my car the whole time. The hospital has a copy of your passport and you show yours to match their records. After taking the test (around 1:30 AM), I was dropped off at the hotel. During my transfer ride, the driver coughed a couple times which made me uncomfortable and paranoid haha. Front desk receptionist told me I should receive my results by 12 PM. At around 8 AM I called the front desk in hopes that the results came in early. They said no, and it should come in by 12 PM. At around 10:30 AM, I got a phone call with my negative result. I confirmed I can go out now and enjoy my time.

Other details:

I was scheduled to arrive at the airport on Feb 25 12 AM. Flight was a bit early and arrived around 11:40 PM Feb 24. On all the forms, I wrote that I arrived on Feb 25. Nobody gave me any problems with this..

It sounds like I should quarantine in the USA prior to boarding my plane as the incubation period of SARS-CoV-2 is a minimum of 3 days. Even if I get exposed at JFK or on the plane, my PCR will be negative!

Not going to happen but that sounds like what I should do.

Many thanks for providing these details. I will hold off on the plane reservation. It makes me think that maybe I should skip BKK and just be satisfied with Manila (the next step of my trip) where the girls are super easy and the testing rules are simpler.

By the way, once you cleared your PCR test, could you bring a girl back to your room? Or did you have to change hotels?