Bangkok Reports

[IHeartIpa]

This is a question about non-pay-for-play Thai girls in BKK. I like to source a nice girl from TF and take her on a date which almost always leads to sex. I like Thai girls because they are pretty enthusiastic to fuck by the second or even the first date. On several occasions after a first date fuck, the girl leaves happy and I message her the morning to check in, and seek to set up another date. This is when she turns cold as ice. The cheerful attitude is replaced with a cold tone, complaining and few details about what the problem might be! To be clear, this is not due to some ungentlemanly behaviour on my part!

Has anyone encountered this, and if so, what explains the chance of heart? Usually Thai girls are keep to discuss a long term relationship and, of course, "my rent is due", but sometimes, I get the cold shoulder the next day.

Thaifriendly has become 95%+ working girls. They may be nice girls but they are working. While yes she should be upfront about it, you also should know better.

[EihTooms]

My guess is that the girls you are going on a date with are freelance girls and although no money was mentioned they expected something to be given to them when they left.

If you had slipped 2000 (average to older girls) to 3000/4000 (younger prettier girls) in their purse when they were leaving I am sure you will get a positively cheerful response and they will be willing to come back anytime.

Agree. But on the off chance that some were not exactly freelancers but regular Thai girls hoping to find a husband or long term support boyfriend, slipping 300-500 baht into their hand as a token gift "for taxi" would also be evidence that the guy isn't just looking for a free fuck.

He did say some of his presumed non P4P first dates did not conclude with a fuck but did on a second date.

I don't think I would recommend slipping 2000-4000 baht into the purse or hand of a girl who just had dinner and a movie with me but refused or resisted having sex on that first date. I would assume those girls are not exactly freelancers.

[Member #4753]

This is a question about non-pay-for-play Thai girls in BKK. I like to source a nice girl from TF and take her on a date which almost always leads to sex. I like Thai girls because they are pretty enthusiastic to fuck by the second or even the first date. On several occasions after a first date fuck, the girl leaves happy and I message her the morning to check in, and seek to set up another date. This is when she turns cold as ice. The cheerful attitude is replaced with a cold tone, complaining and few details about what the problem might be! To be clear, this is not due to some ungentlemanly behaviour on my part!

Has anyone encountered this, and if so, what explains the chance of heart? Usually Thai girls are keep to discuss a long term relationship and, of course, "my rent is due", but sometimes, I get the cold shoulder the next day.

My guess is that the girls you are going on a date with are freelance girls and although no money was mentioned they expected something to be given to them when they left.

If you had slipped 2000 (average to older girls) to 3000/4000 (younger prettier girls) in their purse when they were leaving I am sure you will get a positively cheerful response and they will be willing to come back anytime.

[EihTooms]

This is a question about non-pay-for-play Thai girls in BKK. I like to source a nice girl from TF and take her on a date which almost always leads to sex. I like Thai girls because they are pretty enthusiastic to fuck by the second or even the first date. On several occasions after a first date fuck, the girl leaves happy and I message her the morning to check in, and seek to set up another date. This is when she turns cold as ice. The cheerful attitude is replaced with a cold tone, complaining and few details about what the problem might be! To be clear, this is not due to some ungentlemanly behaviour on my part!

Has anyone encountered this, and if so, what explains the chance of heart? Usually Thai girls are keep to discuss a long term relationship and, of course, "my rent is due", but sometimes, I get the cold shoulder the next day.

I will have to go there and ask if you casually offered your P4P date any money at all at the end of that first date and fuck; for travel, taxi fare, to buy her lunch at work the next day, anything?

The fact that she didn't indicate upfront that she expected some kind of money gift for the time and effort she made to meet you or didn't expect something slipped into her hand at your goodbye or didn't raise the issue of it the next day might only mean she was too shy to broach the subject or too worried about losing face if your reaction to the idea of giving her money for her time, effort and fuck (or not, on the first date) was negative.

I suppose some of what I'm talking about depends on how wide the disparity is between your ages and financial conditions. If you are both in your early 20's, or both much older than that but she has a great job, a car, her own very nice condo and so on, you offering her money for the date and fuck might not be much of a consideration. Yet.

But if you are 50, she is 25, you're staying in a luxury hotel or condo, she works at a coffee shop and shares a single 4500 baht apartment with two other girls, well, you can do the math on that one. She likely felt very much that your not offering and insisting on some money for her time, effort and especially a fuck to be with you was in Thai terms "ungentlemanly" behavior.

This is not like we're meeting peers working at an office back home and both of us going out for some food, drink and a casual fuck, no strings, no harm, no foul, see you next time. Thai girls don't see it that way.

[TKOman]

This is a question about non-pay-for-play Thai girls in BKK. I like to source a nice girl from TF and take her on a date which almost always leads to sex. I like Thai girls because they are pretty enthusiastic to fuck by the second or even the first date. On several occasions after a first date fuck, the girl leaves happy and I message her the morning to check in, and seek to set up another date. This is when she turns cold as ice. The cheerful attitude is replaced with a cold tone, complaining and few details about what the problem might be! To be clear, this is not due to some ungentlemanly behaviour on my part!

Has anyone encountered this, and if so, what explains the chance of heart? Usually Thai girls are keep to discuss a long term relationship and, of course, "my rent is due", but sometimes, I get the cold shoulder the next day.

[FunMan13]

Thanks Seeko. I'm going to do it tonight.

Funman13.

[EihTooms]

Nowadays, most chat apps have online / cloud backup functionality, along with email registration / linking.

The first process allows restoration and / or transfer of chat history between mobile devices.

The second procedure ensures that you will still have access to your chat account, if and when you lose your phone, or the SIM card expires.

To answer your question: first of all, update your LINE app to latest version. Then, register your email, preferably Gmail (under Settings-Account). Next, back up your chat history (under Settings-Chats-Back Up and Restore). Install LINE on new mobile. Login to new LINE with linked email. Confirm migration, which will disable LINE on previous phone.

This process is almost same for WA & WC. For proof of concept, my LINE history goes back to 2014, WeChat to 2015, and WhatsApp to 2016, and I've upgraded smartphone every 2 years since..

Hey,

Thanks. I don't recall seeing that Chats-Back Up and Restore option in Line Settings the last time I changed phones and transferred my Line account. But that has been a few years.

[Seeko]

Ha, I bet I met you back then: the good old days of Stickman and the old Sanuk forum, the beer bars down by the tracks, the Russian girls at the Grace, 40 baht to the dollar, ah memories, memories. Back then, you could even eat at Yong Lee (is it still there?

Maybe. I'm not so sure, as my memory has been failing as years wear on. Sigh.

Yes, Yong Lee is still open. The old thin frail guy finally passed on. A decent place for quality roast duck and curry frog legs.

I do remember the shacks under the expressway, infamous Clinton Plaza (Sofitel now), Soi 10 beer bars (replaced by Chuvit Garden, an oasis amongst this concrete jungle, soon to be another high-rise tower), Siam Hotel Coffee Shop on Petchaburi, and Makkasan streetwalkers on back side.

Too bad that CM2 & Nana Disco changed format, and Climax had shutdown. ND was an easy hunting ground for independent FLs before Nana Plaza closes, and then, for desperate gogo dancers hoping to catch a punter before calling the night or rather morning. Nowadays, they just stream out quick and onto taxi / bus without a glance at any potential monger on the sidewalk.

We really do need an after-hour playground with FLs and for BGs. (I've been pushing the head honcho at Thermae to open later, but he doesn't seem to have any pull left at Lumphini.).

Seeko.

[Seeko]

I have a new phone and want to set up my LINE account to it from my old phone.
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Can someone walk me through or is there a website in English to help me?
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Funman13.

Nowadays, most chat apps have online / cloud backup functionality, along with email registration / linking.

The first process allows restoration and / or transfer of chat history between mobile devices.

The second procedure ensures that you will still have access to your chat account, if and when you lose your phone, or the SIM card expires.

To answer your question: first of all, update your LINE app to latest version. Then, register your email, preferably Gmail (under Settings-Account). Next, back up your chat history (under Settings-Chats-Back Up and Restore). Install LINE on new mobile. Login to new LINE with linked email. Confirm migration, which will disable LINE on previous phone.

This process is almost same for WA & WC. For proof of concept, my LINE history goes back to 2014, WeChat to 2015, and WhatsApp to 2016, and I've upgraded smartphone every 2 years since.

For those with dual-SIM capable mobiles, I recommend activating dual messenger / apps function, so you can have 2 installations of same chat apps, which allows you to separate normal / home and p4 p / travel phone numbers, without having to carry 2 devices.

Seeko.

[FunMan13]

I don't know if this is the right place to ask. I am coming to Thailand in 2 weeks. I have a new phone and want to set up my LINE account to it from my old phone. Several years ago I did it once before when I transferred from an older phone to the old phone. I was successful in transferring the account but could not transfer the messages and chats with my contacts. Some of the contacts could not recognize me without chat history.

Can someone walk me through or is there a website in English to help me? Or should I bring both phones to Bangkok and go the mall and ask for help?

Thank you in advance.

Funman13.

[YetAnotherGuy]

Actually, SirLancelot is correct. That large double space used to be Rainbow 4, before moving to current spot against back wall by staircase. Twister took over the space then. Now, it is back to Rainbow group as #5. Not sure why they didn't recycle the lower numbers, I. E. 1, 2, 3.

And, before all the go-go bars, it was the famous Woodstock Bar, where I met a few insightful and helpful expats, introducing me to LOS nitelife.

Seeko.

True! I forgot about the the pre-Twister days! Time is not linear, but circular, eh?

[EihTooms]

Went to Crazy house for the first time since Soi Cowboy reopened with 1 friend. We were there about 15 minutes when he motions for a girl that is dancing on the stage. She acknowledged him and basically said when she is done her few minutes on the stage she will be over.

When she appears he agrees to a Lady Drink and within seconds appears the Tequila and Coke which is 360 baht and of course 2 Lady Drinks. He points at it and says "I said you can have 1 drink". As the waitress is still there she takes away 1 of the drinks and corrects the bar tab to 1 lady drink. No big deal, everyone was smiling and all was OK.

I do the same to another girl about 15 minutes later. She comes over a few minutes later and asks for 2 lady Drinks. I say 1 is enough for now. She says 2 lady drinks!. I say yes I heard you the first time but 1 lady drink is a good starting point. She grabs the menu and points to the Tequila and Coke = $360. I just start shaking my head and say 1 drink. In a puff and smoke she takes off. I watched her for the next hour or so and she did not get 1 lady drink in that time.

I had a quick look around and possibly about half the lady drinks sitting on the tables were the infamous Tequila and Coke = 2 lady drinks. I guess that is the default BS at Crazy House.

I will probably visit Crazy House annually, like I have been doing. Crazy House is OK but it isn't worth 360 to drink with a girl, that is just taking the piss!

Yes, Crazy House was always a big offender on that scam. Girls are pulling that scam in other bars around town now too. Or trying to. I've caught them trying to do it at Kazy Kozy. I mentioned it in a report a while back and that I left the bar and the lady I knew well from pre Covid days who tried to pull it on me and told the mamasan why I was leaving after only one drink and did not take the girl.

In the past few weeks I've had it tried at Random Bar and Lollipop Bar in Nana Plaza and a couple of Soi 7 bars whose names I don't remember.

You and your friend definitely did the right thing by holding steady on No I Said One Drink For Now and making sure the server took one of those drinks back. Thanks.

For me, a girl merely attempting to pull that scam on me is enough for me to know she'd try to pull a scam in the room. I waved off a looker in Random Bar Nana Plaza and changed my mind about buying her a drink after I invited her to sit with me for that reason.

I am willing to give the girl a break if she just asks me if getting a "Tequila and Coke" is ok. As far as I know she might be under pressure by the bar owners to begin every new customer drink order that way. Then she has done her part and I will do my part by saying no just one drink for now.

But if she doesn't ask me if that's ok and just tells the server or as in your case she tries to argue the point, I'm done with her and possibly the whole bar for the night, week, month or longer. And I tend to mention that and why to the mamasan on the way out.

[SinfullyKorean]

I took her out and she is a real trooper. I was having a hard time because after a week of nuru, soapies, freelancers, I was getting wiped out but she got the job done. She is definitely more experienced and better service than the average Thermae girl. Thanks for the recommendation.

Haha that's awesome! Glad she pleased you, too. I think she deserves honorable mentions, not just for her no haggle pricing, but her enthusiastic service and performance, too.

I watched the new Batman movie last night and couldn't shake her resemblance to Selina.

Also, someone mentioned a thermae video on YT. Yes, I did see her in that video on that same spot near the bar standing by herself.

[SinfullyKorean]

I feel like I've found the perfect balance between low prices and GFE sessions. And that's FiwFans.

After my not so great experience last time, I was "scolded" by another member who had given me advice on how to properly search for a good provider on Fiw. Mainly, to read through the reviews from top posters, find girls with a decent number and that are highly rated, and make sure there aren't any disparaging comments when reading between the lines.

Difficulties on fly first try

My first session was bad because I didn't do this. But trying to search this way was very cumbersome. Lots of the top reviewers will review girls in a specific area, probably close to where they live. I didn't feel like taking a 30-40 minute (each way) motorbike ride to and from the lady's location. I also found lots of ads were expired. So I just found a provider that was relatively close (5 min via motorbike) and 3 reviews.

After posting my disappointing experience, an ISG veteran reached out and persisted I give it another try. This time, really heed his advice on visiting a frequent reviewer's suggested girls.

FiwFans redemption

So following Breadman's advice, I sat back down in front of my computer and started going through frequent reviewers posts. The first few had reviews that were over 30 minutes away (via motorbike).

I finally found a decent girl (snow snow) reviewed by Zun Jin Woo https://fiwfans.com/profile/406rad2uzkpnlpe64 who's 8th on the review board list with 56 reviews. Unfortunately, booker for snow snow wasn't responding. I guessed that they might have other providers in that same area or even building. I clicked on the Agency (Thai Model Club https://fiwfans.com/agency/TM_ThaiModelClub) to check who else was available.

Taya https://fiwfans.com/sideline/406rad4t7krkkytz5 caught my attention. I stopped counting how many reviews she had after 50. Most were very good, with a review from Zun Jin Woo, too. So I booked her. The motorbike ride took about 15 minutes. I was going all in on this session and got 90 minutes for 1800 B, 2 shots. Location was near the BTS Sala Daeng station.

I was asked to wait in the hotel lobby and a description of what I was wearing. Then, I was told to go to the elevator so the girl can come get me, with a couple pictures sent for direction. I was very happy when the elevator door opened. She had an amazing, petite body with porcelain white skin. I got in the elevator and she grabbed my hand. She took me to her room (an upscale hotel) where we said our Hi's, undressed and showered. There was a good amount of DFK and BBBJ+BLS in the shower. This didn't feel much different from the Korean AAMP visits I frequented back in the states. After giving me a good wash, including B2 B on my back while reaching around and under to clean my shift, I dried off and lied on the bed while she finished.

She came back and got on top for some sensual DFK. This girl definitely knows what she's doing. Moved down for nipple sucking and BBBJ while kissing down to my knees. After a while, I asked for 69 where she tasted very clean. From there, she reaches over for the cover, applies gel and mounts me RCG. After pounding for few minutes, she arches her back, guides my hands to her rock hard Cs, and grabs her ankles as I'm pounding from below. She turns around for more CG. She really seems to enjoy me grabbing her breasts. She guides my hand there every chance she gets. As I'm getting close, I have her lie down on the bed for closed mish, my favorite finishing position for round 1. As I look into her cute almond eyes, and she staring back at me, we're making out, she's grinding away with moans of satisfaction. That sends me over the edge and I finish round 1. She gets up to clean me up and motions me to the shower for a quick wash before she starts a very light massage.

I usually don't like soft massages, but that's not what I was here for anyways. And it was a good way to fill the time til I was ready for round 2 as her English was almost non-existent. It actually felt really nice, as she sat her bare ass on my back. I could feel her raw pussy as she was moving up and down to massage me. I felt really comfortable and started dozing off. After about 30 minutes of massage, she started round 2 with more DFK and BBBJ. She applied the cover and mounted CG this time. Again, guiding my hands to her breasts. She moved to arch her back and I could get a better view of my dick going in and out of her. I brought her in close so I could hold her tight and feel her breasts up against my chest as I thrust from under her. She sat up and pulled me up with her for lotus position. When I was ready to pop, I motioned for doggy. She reaches over while I'm fucking her doggy and again, guides my hand to her breasts. It doesn't take me long to finish round 2.

At this point, about an HR has passed. Instead of hurrying me out the door, she gives me another brief shower and massages me for another 30 minutes, where I start to doze off again.

Summary

Definitely happy I gave FiwFans another try. I was planning on thermae tomorrow, but there's a good chance I'll just go to FiwFans instead. At about 1000-1200 B for 1 pop, it really can't be beat if you can find the right girl.

Once again, thank you Breadman and RacShack for insisting FiwFans can be good. I can definitely see myself using FiwFans on a regular basis as I stay here longer and longer. It reminds me of Brazil's clinicas in terms of quality and value. But with more privacy and more upscale.

[Sir Lancelot]

On my previous trips to Bangkok I've enjoyed visiting the massage parlours in the afternoon. Nataree was my favourite. Some seriously pretty girls in there. With Annie's deserving a mention for the levels of service provided.

But of course at the moment they're closed, so I had to resort to being a tourist. I booked a private cab from my hotel and went to visit the Damnoen Saduak floating market and then early evening took a lift up to the 74th floor of the Mahanakhon Tower, the tallest building in Thailand. The views were fantastic.

I wanted to visit Soi Cowboy in the evening. It was Thursday night so I expected the place to be buzzing.

I walked there from Nana, along Sukhumvit and just past Asok on the left is the famous strip. Normally when you turn on to the road you're greeted by a blaze of neon, like a mini Las Vegas, and dozens of gorgeous Hello, girls stand outside every bar. But tonight it looked darker and less exciting, just a series of outside beer bars.

I slowly walked down the street and wasn't particularly impressed. The talent levels were akin to walking through a beer bar complex in Pattaya. There were a few nice girls of course but normally when you walk down soi Cowboy you fall in love with about 15 girls in the space of three minutes!

I bar-fined my first ever girl in Asia from Dollhouse and one of the cutest I've ever slept with from Shark. Dollhouse was open but looked sleepy and Shark was closed.

Often the prettiest girls can be found in Baccara and there were two gorgeous Hello, girls sat there on stools. I walked inside. Downstairs was eerily empty but I was shown upstairs where I was delighted to see 15 girls dancing on the square stage.

I grabbed a stool and ordered a beer, which cost a ridiculous 190 baht. The ladydrinks are steep too, costing an eye-watering 230 baht. I don't mind paying a premium for drinks if I'm getting the premium experience but Baccara is simply a beer bar masquerading as a gogo bar at the moment.

However, I enjoyed watching the girls. They were nowhere near the standard of the young, pretty girls that usually crowd the stage here, but a few were nice. It's refreshing to be able to visit a gogo bar and have some kind of show to watch in these covid times.

'Where you from?' asked a chubby waitress before adding 'mind if I sit?' I was polite but distant, focusing my attention on the stage, and eventually she took the hint and left.

Five minutes later another waitress sat next to me. 'Where you from?' she asked. I might take a printout of FAQs with me to gogo bars in future.

When I left I noticed that the two stunners were still sat outside, their sole job no doubt to coax customers inside. To be fair, it worked on me!

I walked back down the street. Less bars were open than Nana. Moonshine, Dollhouse, Suzi Wongs, Tilac, Kozy, Country Road and Penny Black were all open, mainly with girls sat out front.

I've never been to Suzy Wongs, despite it being a famous name (isn't this the bar with the infamous 'naughty boys corner' There were some nice looking girls so I grabbed a stool and surveyed the talent. There was a 9/10 sat nearby but she looked bored and never met my gaze.

I was joined by my third Miaow of the trip, who was nice to talk to and refreshingly didn't harass me for a ladydrink. I asked her how much one cost and she told me 220 baht (at least my Chang only cost 90 in this bar). I told her they're too expensive but said I was enjoying talking to her so I would tip her instead.

A confident blond girl walked over and said '1 + 1', indicating I should buy both her and Miaow a drink. When she saw my unenthusiastic response, she took my right hand and tried to place it inside her bra. That's a tactic I've never seen before.

I gave my feline friend Miaow a tip and intended to leave soi Cowboy. The prices are expensive, the pressure for ladydrinks annoying and the quality of girls is average.

But as I walked towards the exit, a girl caught my eye.

She was sat outside Penny Black and she had a distinctive pale-skinned appearance with Japanese eyes and a Posh Spice haircut. I sat down next to her and immediately offered her a ladydrink. Her name was Aui, she was 24 and from a town on the Cambodia border. She also spoke excellent English and I really enjoyed chatting to her. She had an intelligence and inquisitiveness about her.

I really liked this girl. She was quirky and unique. But when I asked about her bar-fine I had the rug pulled from under my feet. She told me she didn't do barfines.

I finished my drink, thanked her for an enjoyable chat and left soi Cowboy, cursing what might have been.

My plan was to walk back to soi 7 and see if I could pick up a nice looker there, or maybe even G again.

On Sukhumvit there were lots of freelancers. I got propositioned by a masculine looking ladyboy outside Asok and another with pink hair and Jessica Rabbit breasts a little further on. I saw a beautiful girl with blond hair and the whitest teeth I've ever seen. She told me she was Filipino but when I enquired about prices she asked for 2500 short time! I walked away but was tempted to ask who does her dentistry.

'I give free massage' she called after me.

I should think so for that price!

I turned on to soi 7 and walked in to the beer bar complex. There were plenty of pretty girls but I decided I wanted to take G again. I went to her bar but she wasn't there. 'She not in work today' said another girl, which is usually bar-speak for barfined.

It was 10.15 and I couldn't be bothered going to Nana Plaza. Once again time was against me and I only had 45 minutes to find a girl. This 11 pm closing time is a killer.

I decided there was only one thing for it. To trawl soi 4 for a quickie.

There were plenty of girls but generally older. I was tempted by an unusual looking girl with curly hair but on closer examination she wasn't my type. Then I saw a girl I recognised. Or rather she recognised me as I've passed her several times on my recces up and down soi 4. She had a great figure, a great smile and gave me positive vibes she'd perform well in the bedroom. She was obviously keen for my business because she quoted just 1000 baht.

Her name was Pin and she was mid thirties. She kissed me passionately in my room and when she undressed she had big fake tits and bullet-like nipples.

'These fake' she said to me, stating the obvious, and invited me to feel them. I squeezed them. They were fake.

We lay on the bed and she rubbed her tits up and down my chest, something I love. She gave me an amazing blowjob, licking and teasing me, before climbing an top of me and riding me as I sucked her nipples. I leaned upright and we kissed before flipping her on to her back and banging her hard.

You 'ting tong' she said as I asked her to fuck me reverse cowgirl, a position I don't do often but enjoy. I just lay back and got hypnotised by her bouncing arse.

Her blowjob skills impressed me at the start of the session so I took my condom off and she sucked me to a shuddering climax, swallowing every last drop.

A night that could have been a letdown after my soi Cowboy frustrations ended up delivering some great sex.

This was my last night of four in Bangkok and overall I was disappointed. I'm the biggest fan of gogos in the world but Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy in these covid times were tame. Fewer girls, less quality, high prices, crazy ladydrink pressure and some girls didn't even go with customers. They were beer bars charging inflated prices.

Despite all that, I enjoyed going to them and could have happily bar-fined a number of girls. Yes there are significantly fewer girls than we're used to but there are significantly fewer customers too.

The beer bar complex on soi 7 was excellent and I enjoyed my missions up and down soi 4 looking for a freelancer. It's a shame I had to resort to street action but the gogos forced my hand.

I look forward to returning to Bangkok when covid is over, when Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy are back to their former glories and when the soapies are back open.

This diary will continue on the Chiang Mai page. I have also filmed video diaries for this trip on my friends Youtube page. If you're interested, search for 'Eyes of Owen'.