Rants, Stupid Shit and Coronavirus in Thailand

[Bunky]

According to the Washington Post, starting in 34 hours the USA requirement for pre-return COVID testing is eliminated.

International travelers will no longer need to show proof of a negative coronavirus test before boarding flights to the United States, federal health officials announced Friday, ending one of the nation's last pandemic-related travel requirements.

The requirement will end at 12:01 am (Washington D.C. time) Sunday (June 12).

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said science and data show the requirement is no longer necessary.

"CDC has determined that travelers have access to tools (e. G. , vaccines, therapeutics, and recommended prevention measures) and guidance that allow travelers to make informed choices about the use of pre-departure testing and other prevention measures," the order read.

The agency said it continues to recommend that individuals test before and after travel and after any known exposure to a person with covid-19.

The CDC will reassess the decision in 90 days and would reinstate the requirement if necessary.

[TConor]

According to the Washington Post, starting in 34 hours the USA requirement for pre-return COVID testing is eliminated. The link might be for Post subscribers only.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2022/06/10/covid-testing-requirement-ends/

About time. Now we just need Thailand to wake up and drop the Thai Pass.

[HorseTrader]

According to the Washington Post, starting in 34 hours the USA requirement for pre-return COVID testing is eliminated. The link might be for Post subscribers only.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2022/06/10/covid-testing-requirement-ends/

[Member #4813]

I may be inconsiderate, stupid, or just uneducated

The scientists who report the studies aren't making this shit up. Why would they?

The experience of one "uneducated" mongerer and his drinking buddies isn't as useful as the results of multiple clinical trials involving 40-60,000 people. The CDC data base is extensive, and vaccines, masks and drugs have all been studied. It is no secret what works and what doesn't. Of course, rolling the dice is exciting and often pays off (I once made a fortune in the casino at the Jaragua Hotel-but I usually lose money there). In the case of COVID, with "only" a 2-3% overall death rate in the unvaccinated / untreated, the odds of escaping the big reaper aren't terrible, and Mr E may fall into the lucky group. I prefer to enhance my odds of surviving by being vaccinated and receiving antiviral medications (if the disease breaks through the vaccines).

[EihTooms]

I know a few fellow punters whose main strategy for getting BBBF+CIP with the girls is to work on the reality of their general unattractiveness and present themselves as shy losers in the sexual arena at home and abroad, that they just arrived in Thailand, it's been a very long time since they got laid in their home country, not sure how things work around here, gee it would be great and so lucky if they found a beautiful lady like you I could see while I am here, blah blah blah.

The girl might and often does conclude, yep, he is damn unattractive, probably has not had sex with anyone in a long time (therefore little or no chance of having HIV or any other STI) and certainly not with a girl as young and hot as me and if I rock his world in bed like he has likely never experienced I will be his go-to girl throughout his entire stay. Besides, she might conclude, not many other girls would agree to have any kind of sex with this troll much less Real Sex but I am special and can deal with it.

Therefore, his being seen trotting around multiple girls from that and other nearby bars tends to contradict that little scenario strategy. Who knows what the first and subsequent bare back girls will say to everyone else about his "unfortunate but sexually safe" profile once they realize they've been fooled.

Those are the guys I know who are terrified to be seen by previous ladies with other ladies and would never take another girl from the same bar..

I meant to type BBFS+CIP of course.

[EihTooms]

Yeah it's ridiculous.

I always tell them that I usually only take the same girl once, which is usually true, and might come back for the other girls in bar. If they get a bad attitude I just pay my check bin and move onto another bar.

I know a few fellow punters whose main strategy for getting BBBF+CIP with the girls is to work on the reality of their general unattractiveness and present themselves as shy losers in the sexual arena at home and abroad, that they just arrived in Thailand, it's been a very long time since they got laid in their home country, not sure how things work around here, gee it would be great and so lucky if they found a beautiful lady like you I could see while I am here, blah blah blah.

The girl might and often does conclude, yep, he is damn unattractive, probably has not had sex with anyone in a long time (therefore little or no chance of having HIV or any other STI) and certainly not with a girl as young and hot as me and if I rock his world in bed like he has likely never experienced I will be his go-to girl throughout his entire stay. Besides, she might conclude, not many other girls would agree to have any kind of sex with this troll much less Real Sex but I am special and can deal with it.

Therefore, his being seen trotting around multiple girls from that and other nearby bars tends to contradict that little scenario strategy. Who knows what the first and subsequent bare back girls will say to everyone else about his "unfortunate but sexually safe" profile once they realize they've been fooled.

Those are the guys I know who are terrified to be seen by previous ladies with other ladies and would never take another girl from the same bar.

The funny part is the guys who can and do get away with presenting themselves that way and have the looks to make it believable get more BBFS+CIP with more new and different girls in two weeks than I do in 6 months! LOL. So any girls who think fucking guys like that is in any way safer for them in terms of risk of disease could not be more wrong.

[TConor]

Except I disagree. That is not it. I may be inconsiderate, stupid, or just uneducated, but I have had experience.

While me and other friends and family members have been stomping all over South and Central America and the Caribbean with no vaccine and no masks and as of late been on planes all around the USA with no vaccine and no mask and have not contracted any virus, I have had other fully vaccinated friends and family members that barely left the house and got the disease. Most said it was the worst 2 weeks of their life although they were not hospitalized.

And what exactly is the treatment for someone that is hospitalized? Last I heard was when they were only sticking tubes down the patients' throats and most of them did not make it home from that anyway.

So let's hope you and your friends continue to beat the odds, but when the wheel turns to "oo" , let's hope God or if you are here, Buddha has mercy on why'all.

Oh, and the Pfizer pill is a treatment BEFORE you get into a hospital. The pill is Paxlovid:

Pfizer said safety data in the trial was consistent with previous studies, which had shown the pills to be nearly 90% effective at preventing hospitalization or death in COVID patients at high risk of severe illness when taken for five days shortly after symptom onset.

[Mr Enternational]

That said, the difference in the way the two groups should be treated is maybe have the unvaccinated have a higher insurance coverage than the vaccinated, since they are more likely to spend more time in the hospital. But that is it.

The unvaccinated also have a greater chance of getting the virus and anyone getting it (even the break through cases) have a chance to spread it. So they need to be treated as the they are, inconsiderate or stupid, or just uneducated. The exceptions are for medical reasons, I mean exception for not being inconsiderate or stupid, or just uneducated.

Except I disagree. That is not it. I may be inconsiderate, stupid, or just uneducated, but I have had experience.

While me and other friends and family members have been stomping all over South and Central America and the Caribbean with no vaccine and no masks and as of late been on planes all around the USA with no vaccine and no mask and have not contracted any virus, I have had other fully vaccinated friends and family members that barely left the house and got the disease. Most said it was the worst 2 weeks of their life although they were not hospitalized.

And what exactly is the treatment for someone that is hospitalized? Last I heard was when they were only sticking tubes down the patients' throats and most of them did not make it home from that anyway.

[AggieDad1]

The unvaccinated also have a greater chance of getting the virus and anyone getting it (even the break through cases) have a chance to spread it. So they need to be treated as the they are, inconsiderate or stupid, or just uneducated. The exceptions are for medical reasons, I mean exception for not being inconsiderate or stupid, or just uneducated.

In most cases I would agree with you. But we are talking about Thailand, which is still having 10 to 20 thousand new cases a day. Considering reported cases are only a small percentage of actual cases (lots of asymptomatic cases with omichron), the major concern is not unvaccinated tourist adding to the spread, but the unvaccinated getting sick and ending up in the hospital. Anyone coming to Thailand at this time needs to be aware that the virus is still very active in Thailand. Even the vaccinated is taking a risk. That said, I will be there May 3rd with a bag full of masks looking for a good time. LOL.

[TConor]

The good vaccines have their benefits in that they lower the chance of sever illness and death. If you get the vaccine that is your choice. That said, the difference in the way the two groups should be treated is maybe have the unvaccinated have a higher insurance coverage than the vaccinated, since they are more likely to spend more time in the hospital. But that is it. By the way I got the J&J vaccine in April 2021. Since it was getting close to the one year mark and some countries consider you unvaccinated if you haven't had a booster after so many months I went ahead and received the Phizer shot as the booster. Ran a fever the first night and was tired a couple of days but was ok after that.

That said, the difference in the way the two groups should be treated is maybe have the unvaccinated have a higher insurance coverage than the vaccinated, since they are more likely to spend more time in the hospital. But that is it.

The unvaccinated also have a greater chance of getting the virus and anyone getting it (even the break through cases) have a chance to spread it. So they need to be treated as the they are, inconsiderate or stupid, or just uneducated. The exceptions are for medical reasons, I mean exception for not being inconsiderate or stupid, or just uneducated.

[AggieDad1]

The country leaders of Thailand are playing it safe like always their practice is to watch and follow what other countries do even then they most likely after reading everything stand around scratching their heads as the reason why it is turtle slow.

The pressure is on within their ranks sure it is one day this the next something else but the proposal has been submitted to end two days ago to review the request to end it all by June 1st, personally, I think it might even happen?

Predictable, prior to Songkran they throw it out that after the numbers should be in the 50,000 range this is classic Thailand to throw a high number out if it isn't reached then leaders all look good, guys like Anutin can stand up and claim they got a handle of things that covid is no match for their medical system. Since Songkran, the rate has dropped to 15,000 a day from 25,000 so are we headed to opening?

Tomorrow it will be May 1st, the next meeting in two weeks by cabinet cross your fingers?

The good vaccines have their benefits in that they lower the chance of sever illness and death. If you get the vaccine that is your choice. That said, the difference in the way the two groups should be treated is maybe have the unvaccinated have a higher insurance coverage than the vaccinated, since they are more likely to spend more time in the hospital. But that is it. By the way I got the J&J vaccine in April 2021. Since it was getting close to the one year mark and some countries consider you unvaccinated if you haven't had a booster after so many months I went ahead and received the Phizer shot as the booster. Ran a fever the first night and was tired a couple of days but was ok after that.

[LittleBigMan]

The country leaders of Thailand are playing it safe like always their practice is to watch and follow what other countries do even then they most likely after reading everything stand around scratching their heads as the reason why it is turtle slow.

The pressure is on within their ranks sure it is one day this the next something else but the proposal has been submitted to end two days ago to review the request to end it all by June 1st, personally, I think it might even happen?

Predictable, prior to Songkran they throw it out that after the numbers should be in the 50,000 range this is classic Thailand to throw a high number out if it isn't reached then leaders all look good, guys like Anutin can stand up and claim they got a handle of things that covid is no match for their medical system. Since Songkran, the rate has dropped to 15,000 a day from 25,000 so are we headed to opening?

Tomorrow it will be May 1st, the next meeting in two weeks by cabinet cross your fingers?

[TConor]

I tried applying in the opening minutes of the new Thailand Pass. Needless to say the first few hours did not go well. It was about 2 and one half hours into the process when I finally got a popup with a code and a notice saying I should have my pas in "3 to 5 days". I used the code to check my status and that screen said "48 hours". Three hours after getting the popup I received an official email confirming my application. About 13 hours from receiving the email I received another email with my approved Thailand Pass QR code. I am hearing that people applying now are receiving there QR code much faster.

When so many other places will not require such BS.

[AggieDad1]

I tried applying in the opening minutes of the new Thailand Pass. Needless to say the first few hours did not go well. It was about 2 and one half hours into the process when I finally got a popup with a code and a notice saying I should have my pas in "3 to 5 days". I used the code to check my status and that screen said "48 hours". Three hours after getting the popup I received an official email confirming my application. About 13 hours from receiving the email I received another email with my approved Thailand Pass QR code. I am hearing that people applying now are receiving there QR code much faster.

[HorseTrader]

...So I started looking at May 2nd as a good date for leaving Houston and arriving on May 3rd in Bangkok. But then I find out since the rules are changing I cannot even apply for Thailand pass until the 29th of April. Just my luck.

Typical Thai action. Declare May 1 the date of change but not provide a reasonable way for anybody to arrive until well after May 1.

One Thai Pass problem from January is that my first choice COVID insurance company refused to cover me and their automated rejection didn't state why. I applied to another company and was quickly accepted. Nothing is certain about Thai Pass until you actually have it in hand.

In the Pattaya vids I have seen over the past couple weeks, very few people are wearing masks as they walk around town and neither are the girls standing on the street outside their bars.

I didn't get to Pattaya in my recent trip, but people in several other areas were wearing masks consistently until they got seated at their restaurant. I'd estimate 95% wearing masks on BTS / MRT and airports, 90% in malls and stores, 80% on streets away from red light districts, 20% on streets in red light districts, and 10% in restaurants. Farang wore masks less than Thai.