Medellin Reports

[Osteoknot]

He actually has a point. I've heard similar sentiments from several expat business owners in Medellin. Buildings will sit vacant for years because the owner won't budge of the price he wants.

Even my friend with the escort agency. I've tried to explain that it's better to drop prices to be competitive, than to have only a few customers. Run specials, offer first timer discounts, do something to get the phone ringing. Nope.

Individually, if you're dealing directly with the girl, if you handle it correctly, you can get the price dropped. However, dealing with girls who use a manager, like many of the Instagram girls, they are willing to sit indefinitely waiting for that payday.

That same old and unbelievably common pitfall of supporting the argument you are challenging.

The Law of Supply and Demand doesn't force anyone to to do anything. You can pay what you want and you can set your price at whatever you want. The Law of Supply & Demand sets the equilibrium price point and determines the response to prices above and below that point. I sketched the graph for this but the fucking auto-editor on this site ruined my labeling points, so fuck that.

In both your examples, the seller made the opposite response needed to restore their price to be in equilibrium with demand. That results in further reduction of demand, as you noted in your example of vacant buildings. I gave my own example of the exact same thing here the other day off topic when I wrote that Pumpkin will turn down three offers of 30 for one offer of 40. We were all describing behaviors and not results.

None of this amounts to a hill of beans in the real world, not because it's wrong, but because the invisible force of the Law of Supply & Demand will determine fair market value (FMV) no matter what we say or do.

My main point is, I don't like to see people chastised for doing something "wrong" when they pay above or below FMV and "ruining" it for others, when there is absolutely no relationship between payment and price. And I got you and Mr. E to be on the same side of an argument. My work here is done! Ostee Out!

[MiamiBoy1]

Why get defensive about a woman who you haven't even talked to? She could be universally acclaimed by every man on the planet as the perfect, ideal woman, but if she's not fucking for less than $1 million USD then it doesn't really matter.

If you want to define your scale, pick a woman you've fucked, list her price, quality of service and attitude, assign her a rating and include a picture. That way others have something to go on. All of this "she won't talk to me" crap is a waste of time.

It has nothing to do with the girl I posted. I could post a different girl and get the same comments. I am amazed how guys would assign low rating to a girl just because she is not their type without any explanation. It is like pointing at a red ferrari and saying the car is yellow, when in fact, it is fucking red, but the guy pointing at it is colorblind. And and it would be great if guys who assign low ratings post their own 9's and 10's.

[Paulie97]

I don't agree that the puta market in Colombia is a free market, per se. I say that because of irrational decision made by parties, lack of complete information on competitive pricing, etc.

The market would work much better if gringos and chicas in many cases were not so stupid.

Even if one wants to make the case the puta market in Colombia is free, it most certainly is not efficient. It's like those finance folks who insist the stock markets are efficient.

None of it makes a lot of sense without correct definitions of supply and demand. It's not merely numbers as some make it out to be, but numbers of those willing to pay within a certain price range for a product or service. There's loads of "demand" in the Centro strip clubs, hoards of it. But prices stay low because the locals will not and often cannot pay more. However throw a bunch of suckers in that market that are willing to pay five times the going rate then you'll eventually see prices jump. Though thankfully 90% or more of tourists are scared to go to Centro, and especially at night. Take markets where suckers feel comfortable, increase the numbers the same and voila, you will have price increases. Therefore it's just as you said, that assessing the "types" of consumers (stupid ones) is most relevant, and it's not just about sheer numbers.

The same can be said of the Medellin service providers / supply. Though often with the independents it's just lack of ambition. Some set an inflated price that gets them a minimal amount of work, one big sucker every week or two which carries them through to the next crisis at which time they start checking their messages again. If they wanted a lot of work they'd have to lower their price but that isn't on the table. So this is all more complicated than Osteoknot tries to make it. Human relations are always more complicated than simple math equations.

[Osteoknot]

I don't agree that the puta market in Colombia is a free market, per se. I say that because of irrational decision made by parties, lack of complete information on competitive pricing, etc.

The market would work much better if gringos and chicas in many cases were not so stupid.

Even if one wants to make the case the puta market in Colombia is free, it most certainly is not efficient. It's like those finance folks who insist the stock markets are efficient.

For at least taking a counterpoint that could be valid.

Finally, someone did.

[ColombiaLover]

I don't agree that the puta market in Colombia is a free market, per se. I say that because of irrational decision made by parties, lack of complete information on competitive pricing, etc.

The market would work much better if gringos and chicas in many cases were not so stupid.

Even if one wants to make the case the puta market in Colombia is free, it most certainly is not efficient. It's like those finance folks who insist the stock markets are efficient.

Indeed, Supply and Demand will always prevail in a truly free market. Thanks for the review!

[RamDavidson84]

Parque Lleras has better looking girls?? Haha. Lleras girls are ugly, covered in tattooes, fat or anorexic skinny. What are you talking about? The girl that I posted is at least 7 if she is not your type. It is totally fine to subtract 1 or 2 points if a girl is not up to your liking. When you rate a girl low numbers you can't even say why, point out her imperfections / defects etc. Another poster rated her 3. 5, obviously he doesn't know shit about 1. 10 scale, or has bad taste in women. Could not even explain why 3. 5. A real 3. 5 would be an obese ugly women in her 50's, whom you would not even touch.

Depends how tall she is, if she is 5 ft and 95 lbs, I give her a 6, average height- she is a solid 7. If she put 10 lbs on she could go higher. No man in his right mind is going to rate her a 3.5. A 3.5 is a fat disgusting skank, lower than 3 is handicap girls and they should just be off limits. I don't fux with bitches lower than 6 if I paying for it, and I usually keep it in the 7-8 range where price meets performance. To each their own though.

[Lefeu]

...The second most common pitfall is thinking that certain markets are "unique", like the Latin America puta market, and the Law of Supply and Demand somehow does not apply. As long as it is a free market, Supply & Demand rules..

Indeed, Supply and Demand will always prevail in a truly free market. Thanks for the review!

[JjBee62]

Parque Lleras has better looking girls?? Haha. Lleras girls are ugly, covered in tattooes, fat or anorexic skinny. What are you talking about? The girl that I posted is at least 7 if she is not your type. It is totally fine to subtract 1 or 2 points if a girl is not up to your liking. When you rate a girl low numbers you can't even say why, point out her imperfections / defects etc. Another poster rated her 3. 5, obviously he doesn't know shit about 1. 10 scale, or has bad taste in women. Could not even explain why 3. 5. A real 3. 5 would be an obese ugly women in her 50's, whom you would not even touch.

Why get defensive about a woman who you haven't even talked to? She could be universally acclaimed by every man on the planet as the perfect, ideal woman, but if she's not fucking for less than $1 million USD then it doesn't really matter.

If you want to define your scale, pick a woman you've fucked, list her price, quality of service and attitude, assign her a rating and include a picture. That way others have something to go on. All of this "she won't talk to me" crap is a waste of time.

[HumbleHal]

Parque Lleras has better looking girls?? Haha. Lleras girls are ugly, covered in tattooes, fat or anorexic skinny.

Yes, I agree. Was there 2 weeks ago. Fat woman approached me. No thanks. And the men are drunks, sleeping on the sidewalks on cardboard. Not a great place to go and meet attractive Colombian women.

[MiamiBoy1]

Bro,

She's a solid 5. Is this what we are doing here? Lmaoooooooo the streets of parque Lleras has better looking girls. I wouldn't even offer her 100 k. I know everyone has different taste but this is the reason 4&5 are demanding outrageous prices because you guys are treating them like 9&10's. For reference this is an 8.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CZo_M6rL...d=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Parque Lleras has better looking girls?? Haha. Lleras girls are ugly, covered in tattooes, fat or anorexic skinny. What are you talking about? The girl that I posted is at least 7 if she is not your type. It is totally fine to subtract 1 or 2 points if a girl is not up to your liking. When you rate a girl low numbers you can't even say why, point out her imperfections / defects etc. Another poster rated her 3. 5, obviously he doesn't know shit about 1. 10 scale, or has bad taste in women. Could not even explain why 3. 5. A real 3. 5 would be an obese ugly women in her 50's, whom you would not even touch.

[EverythingBlue]

Imagine guy's that don't have any financial constraints or a budget, meaning they can afford to partake in their mongering venues as much as they want, in this situation, the real constraint becomes how many loads a guy is capable of blowing within hours.

I know guys, especially those who are older, who do not recharge as quickly who will at times go with a girl, and purposely hold back and save their load for another girl the same day or within hours.

Imagine your in a bar / club, or on the street, you've just finished with someone, and immediately afterwards in the same venue you see something that really get's your attention, but you know if you go with her, you won't finish as just not enough time has elapsed since the last one.

You talk about a frustrating situation, and truly a constraint, this is it, at least for me.

This is the bigger issue for me too. I'm not 60 years old yet, but even taking vitamins see or V, after I pop twice or three times in one day it becomes difficult to get ready for the next girl within the next two hours or so. Sometimes during trips I book girls about 3 hours apart in order to capture the biggest amount of talent I can, and purposely schedule the hottest ones to the end so they can help me get there simply based off their looks. I've had cases where I banged for over an a hour and the girl takes it as a challenge to keep going until I pop, which is appreciated. Even without a condom, it can be a struggle.

So many girls to try and so little time, I think one day If I have unlimited time I will focus on one a day or even one a week to enjoy more.

[JjBee62]

So I have been reading the forum. Thanks for all the great input. I am about to land in Medellin and will definitely write a thorough field report when I am done. I have a good number of contacts on FB, but I have also tried my hand at tinder and bumble. I am have 40+ matches of girls I find attractive on tinder and around 10 on bumble. Anyone has experience on how many of them are a scam? What can I do to minimize potential harm on first meet? How many of these matches are looking for compensation and how many are just regular tinder girls? I am in my mid 30's and probably a 6 out of 10 on the attractive scale and on the smaller side.

I was thinking of meeting for drinks at a public place and getting a feel for the girls then and if they pass the "vibe check" I would invite them back to my hotel (would start at hotel first for safety). I will be in Medellin for one month.

Tinder is the most common source for drug and rob groups. I can't give an estimate on individual risk, but it's something to be aware of. They put Scopolamine in your drink when you're not paying attention, then they clean you out. While having a drink first is a good idea, you should be aware.

Other scams are asking you to prepay through some online source, or requiring a deposit, or a purchase of their content.

Also, the most common lie on ISG is "I will definitely write a trip report."

[JjBee62]

She may try to raise her price, and she might be able to find a few individuals who pay her higher price in the short term. But over time, in the long run, her price will have to drop if demand does not increase or she will simply run out of business. If she is able to get mongers to pay her increased price in the long term, it is because demand for her went up, and not because other mongers have to "make-up" for her decreased demand. That is ludicrous.

The most common pitfall of not understanding the Law of Supply & Demand is thinking that payment determines price.

The second most common pitfall is thinking that certain markets are "unique", like the Latin America puta market, and the Law of Supply and Demand somehow does not apply. As long as it is a free market, Supply & Demand rules.

The third most common pitfall is people is projecting personal experience into the scenario when virtually no one individual monger, even someone with numbers way average, can witness the actual dynamics of the Law of Supply & Demand in action. That takes macro economics..

He actually has a point. I've heard similar sentiments from several expat business owners in Medellin. Buildings will sit vacant for years because the owner won't budge of the price he wants.

Even my friend with the escort agency. I've tried to explain that it's better to drop prices to be competitive, than to have only a few customers. Run specials, offer first timer discounts, do something to get the phone ringing. Nope.

Individually, if you're dealing directly with the girl, if you handle it correctly, you can get the price dropped. However, dealing with girls who use a manager, like many of the Instagram girls, they are willing to sit indefinitely waiting for that payday.

[Osteoknot]

Imagine guy's that don't have any financial constraints or a budget, meaning they can afford to partake in their mongering venues as much as they want, in this situation, the real constraint becomes how many loads a guy is capable of blowing within hours.

I know guys, especially those who are older, who do not recharge as quickly who will at times go with a girl, and purposely hold back and save their load for another girl the same day or within hours.

Imagine your in a bar / club, or on the street, you've just finished with someone, and immediately afterwards in the same venue you see something that really get's your attention, but you know if you go with her, you won't finish as just not enough time has elapsed since the last one.

You talk about a frustrating situation, and truly a constraint, this is it, at least for me.

My wingman was slightly stunned today when I told him I didn't pop every single encounter. I said, "WTF, when I was averaging over 5 girls a day last trip did you think I was climaxing every time?" No fucking way. Maybe first and last. There are tons of ways to have fun without getting obsessed with orgasms. Probably one of my favorite things to do is edge all day then pull out on the last girl of the day and drench her face. Maybe tonight, with Catgirl, our first meeting this trip and she will be Number Three today. I am looking forward to it, with as little "desire" and "planning" as possible, jejeje.

Freckle left this morning for Peru. I have never spent so much time with one chica over four weeks. You may recall she was the chica to whom I made the bee-line when my plane landed here about a month ago. I cried like a baby for a few minutes but it's a good thing she left. We basically had nothing in common except total tolerance of each others' company and effortless sex. Not pussy whipped but another level I can't explain.

Then early Saturday morning I am off the the finca in Guatape for a birthday fiesta with Managerette. I was planning all kinds of new sexual escapades with her this weekend, our first overnight, but as usual the word "plan" comes back and bites me on the ass. Turns out it's going to bunk style accommodations, boys and girls in separate rooms! Jajaja, joke is on me but I don't mind. I will take some fotos but probably won't post until I get back. Chao, and Keep On Keepin' On!

Peaches is here.

[Osteoknot]

Maybe that is what you think will happen, but in Latin America everyone knows that the price will be raised to make up for the lost demand. To make more off 1 person is better than making less off a few people.

She may try to raise her price, and she might be able to find a few individuals who pay her higher price in the short term. But over time, in the long run, her price will have to drop if demand does not increase or she will simply run out of business. If she is able to get mongers to pay her increased price in the long term, it is because demand for her went up, and not because other mongers have to "make-up" for her decreased demand. That is ludicrous.

The most common pitfall of not understanding the Law of Supply & Demand is thinking that payment determines price.

The second most common pitfall is thinking that certain markets are "unique", like the Latin America puta market, and the Law of Supply and Demand somehow does not apply. As long as it is a free market, Supply & Demand rules.

The third most common pitfall is people is projecting personal experience into the scenario when virtually no one individual monger, even someone with numbers way average, can witness the actual dynamics of the Law of Supply & Demand in action. That takes macro economics.

Exceptions could possibly be your micro market example, but even then, unless you are personally tracking every single encounter she has and what was paid to her over a significant period of time (months), then again, no dice. Even if you said you did that and came to your same conclusion, then I would have to assume your analysis was in error. Even the puta to whom the activity is occurring, can have extreme self-bias as to what is actually happening. And let's face it, a lot of these girls are clueless about such matters.

You may certainly have the last word if you wish, I will beg off this thread.