Seeking Arrangements

[Elvis 2008]

Maybe. But let me tell you my situation. I'm actually a fairly attractive guy and quite a good conversationalist. But my weakness is I like 20-25 year old women, and I'm mid 40's. I have to be honest with myself. No matter how good I am, they would rather be banging a 25 year old dude. So I can't just rely on my wit and looks to get a girl to elect to stay the night for free. If that's what I want I feel I need to make it clear that's the exchange I'm looking for. It works for me but it's unique to my situation. If I'm.

Who says that 20-25 year old women want to be banging 25 year old men? That is not what I have seen. The women I have talked to said that 25 year old men are insecure, have no money, want to get wasted or play video games, are controlling, lack social skills, and cum too quickly.

One reason I do not like American women is they are more about their friends and how hot / cute a guy is. They fuck a 25 year old for free, show the guy off to their friends, and then the women come to guys like me when they are broke. Latin women care about their families more than anything so if you help their family situation, they are nuts about you.

Keep in mind that so many of these women do not have a father figure in their life. They do not know what it is like to have a friendly and positive male role model in their life. This one girl was texting me asking me for help, and she was escort like in our first meet but she was hot so I gave her another chance. So we did a come to Jesus meeting. I told her my job as sugar daddy is fulfill her needs and to make her life better, and her job is to make me feel better with sex and companionship. It is not just money for sex.

Her #1 need was her mother who had horrible anxiety from sleep apnea. We did a test and treatment for her condition, and it was in Colombia which was much cheaper than the USA, and her mother who was having crippling monthly panic attacks now felt better than she had in decades.

Hell, after that, her mother was my #1 fan. "Do not lose this guy" she told her daughter. Of course, she fucked me bareback. Hell, she probably would have given me a kidney because her mother was all the family she had. Any 25 year old going to help a girl's family like that?

[AmericanPi]

I dunno.

Regular testing helps? How? It only tells you if you have something. But some of these things. Herpes, hpv, warts. They stick around forever. Getting a test to confirm only tells you what you'the know at that point. Do you already have these things so it's just a matter of avoiding the biggies like aids?

And indirect questions? (BTW "how many guys before me" is not indirect). Trust me if a girl is on SA she's not a coquettish struggling college girl no matter what she says. She is unambiguously selling sex for money, and you are one a line of people that no doubt includes other guys probing to guess their risk level.

To each his own. Really. But to me this would not be worth it. And I love love love me some SA. And escorts when the fancy strikes.

To me, it's all a matter of risk assessment. I would usually try to get to know about the girl as much as I can prior. Indirect questions like, do you have sex a lot, have many partners before me etc etc. I am not talking about the pros here, but some of these SA girls who are mainly college students or those with regular jobs.

For pros, they are not going to go bareback on you anyway, and even if they are willing, I will stay away from BB. Also regular testing helps.

[The Cane]

I mean this question respectfully. It is honestly just a question of curiosity.

Those of you who seek out bareback with girls who get paid, either as escorts or SA, to bang you and other guys, aren't you afraid to bareback? Some of these diseases are easy to catch and last forever.

Serious question. How are you ok with this?

It's rare, rare, rare that I'll go bareback with a working girl. It's happened, but definitely that's an extremely rare exception versus the rule. The blonde hottie I've been fucking isn't one of "those" girls. And even so, we showed each other "papers" to establish that we were clean. It's not that you can't ever get anything from a SB. You can. It's just as the man said. You need to be prepared and able to do some risk assessment and go from there. I know that everybody likes bareback. But everybody's tolerance for risk is different too. Assess the risk, then act according to your own individual risk tolerance.

[Ggekko2009]

I mean this question respectfully. It is honestly just a question of curiosity.

Those of you who seek out bareback with girls who get paid, either as escorts or SA, to bang you and other guys, aren't you afraid to bareback? Some of these diseases are easy to catch and last forever.

Serious question. How are you ok with this?

To me, it's all a matter of risk assessment. I would usually try to get to know about the girl as much as I can prior. Indirect questions like, do you have sex a lot, have many partners before me etc etc. I am not talking about the pros here, but some of these SA girls who are mainly college students or those with regular jobs.

For pros, they are not going to go bareback on you anyway, and even if they are willing, I will stay away from BB. Also regular testing helps.

[AmericanPi]

I mean this question respectfully. It is honestly just a question of curiosity.

Those of you who seek out bareback with girls who get paid, either as escorts or SA, to bang you and other guys, aren't you afraid to bareback? Some of these diseases are easy to catch and last forever.

Serious question. How are you ok with this?

Hey Cane, I'm wondering the same thing. Moved the meeting I had today with the 21 yr hottie from NJ to Monday afternoon. Then I fly out to SFO and have a meeting with 26 yr in Sonoma, (also have an office near Napa).

Working on some leads for Montreal, which my big head tells me is dumb because I feel Montreal is the best escort scene. Young Caucasian woman under 30 who are GFE for $200, and most of them will go bareback with a 2 HR appointment and alcohol because they love to party.

During F1 week they come out of the woodwork. Last race before Covid had my suite and an adjoining room just for escorts.

Then most of them would fuck for free because me and my buddies had a corporate suite. So inexpensive when you tally the shots per dollar.

However, this is like a full time job. I may need an admin for this part of my life. Will see how much energy I can devote. But, I'm hunter in the real world and it's the same adrenaline if I was big game hunting.

[FastMdSter]

We're still seeing each other. As a matter of fact, I have some gifts I've got waiting for her that I need to give to her. And to set the record straight, she's a $250 PPM bareback hottie LOL! It will be interesting to see if FastMdSter has the same success in the States that he did in Germany.

Hey Cane, I'm wondering the same thing. Moved the meeting I had today with the 21 yr hottie from NJ to Monday afternoon. Then I fly out to SFO and have a meeting with 26 yr in Sonoma, (also have an office near Napa).

Working on some leads for Montreal, which my big head tells me is dumb because I feel Montreal is the best escort scene. Young Caucasian woman under 30 who are GFE for $200, and most of them will go bareback with a 2 HR appointment and alcohol because they love to party.

During F1 week they come out of the woodwork. Last race before Covid had my suite and an adjoining room just for escorts.

Then most of them would fuck for free because me and my buddies had a corporate suite. So inexpensive when you tally the shots per dollar.

However, this is like a full time job. I may need an admin for this part of my life. Will see how much energy I can devote. But, I'm hunter in the real world and it's the same adrenaline if I was big game hunting.

[The Cane]

Speaking of amazing regs, cane I know you swore off SA but are you still seeing your $300 bareback hottie? That was quite a find!

We're still seeing each other. As a matter of fact, I have some gifts I've got waiting for her that I need to give to her. And to set the record straight, she's a $250 PPM bareback hottie LOL! It will be interesting to see if FastMdSter has the same success in the States that he did in Germany.

[Steve 9696]

Speaking of amazing regs, cane I know you swore off SA but are you still seeing your $300 bareback hottie? That was quite a find!

[Steve 9696]

Ok so yeah. I love meeting new girls on Seeking and having a few days relationship maybe to be repeated. Yep love that. But what I REALLY love is that I've hooked a real deal girlfriend in Shayla.

We were apart for various reasons for six weeks and the the reunion was epic. As soon as the hotel room door closed she ran across the room and jumped up and threw her legs around me and covered me in kissses. Smiling ear to ear. Just eating me alive like I am the most amazing person on planet earth.

I adore her equally and the reunion sex was epic. She has a tit pussy connection like no other girl I've seen. Suck her tits and she starts moaning loudly. First couple times I thought it was fake. But literally her pussy is a sloppy mess after 15 seconds of tit work. Never seen anything like it. OMG. Just amazing sex. Amazing BJ. CIM swallow. 1000 watt smile. Kisses. Spooning. Affection off the charts.

I am over the moon with this girl. Best girlfriend ever, bar none. Thank you Seeking!

[FastMdSter]

It seems because of the war a lot of the Russian ladies are not going out as much, at least that's what they communicating to me.

I know many don't like the Russian lady game, but from a sex perspective they have been on point for me as much Latin, Spanish, Polish, etc. They would always think they are better than the rest, but they have tuned it down.

So you may want to look at those opportunities again.

[FastMdSter]

Excellent report.

Please check your PM.

Thank you. Will reply.

Holy crap man. What a whirlwind. Congrats on that.

Honestly can't believe you did FKK instead of a sealed SA deal. But FKK is something every straight man has to experience in his short life. Just describing it people would think you're lying.

Well done.

Being from the US I love FKKs. Its like a drug addict in an all you can inject buffet right.

LOL.

However, I wanted guaranteed nut busts and after the first meeting on Tuesday afternoon where I sent her home I was getting skeptical of seeking. If Wednesday meetings happened on Tuesday I would not have went to Sharks.

But, I have had good luck in FKKs, specifically with getting them out of the club. But their baggage is very very heavy. I had a globe superstar follow me to London and didn't know. Accosted me and a date in Nobu some years ago. So I am more apprehensive now.

[Gfefan]

Excellent report.

Please check your PM.

So after reading all about seeking on here. I had to give it a try for trip to Frankfurt this week.

I know a strange place, but I thought let me get the kinks worked out so I become more proficient.

Set up a profile, posted some hidden pics. And wrote 2 canned messages, 1 for Ex-US, and one for US.

Started making my favorite list last week, and started sending messages 4 days before my arrival on Tuesday this week.

Sent about 20-30 messages. Got 15 replies. Followed up with messages and they all wanted access to my pics.

Approved access to my pics. 2 didn't reply after that. 1 said she didn't believe my pics were real, looked way younger than my stated age of 48 and too attractive, LOL.

12 replied after pics and said they are interested in speaking more.

Sent them all my WhatsApp and switched conversations to WhatsApp. One said telegram. I deleted her.

Then then WhatsApp convos started. Was feeling really good. Was concentrating on the 4 hottest. Two 9. 5's, and two 8's.

Age range, 22, 23, 25, 33.

Set up meetings for lunch and dinner on Tuesday and Wednesday.

Tuesday 23 yr solid 8. Hit it off really well, but I was getting worried she was really thinking I would be more than a SD. Have been in that situation and didn't not end well. So after lunch, got her an Uber and sent her back. She was clearly disappointed. But has been texting me. She was a real German.

Tuesday 23 yr. Solid 9.5, she had initiated the arrangement topic. I did not initiate with any of them on purpose. She said after dinner if I'm as attractive as my picture she will stay the night of that was ok. But would like 400 and cover her taxi home in the morning. I said no problem.

But, then I started thinking how am I not going to go to an FKK. So I canceled last minute. She was cool and still texting.

Went to sharks. Report posted today in FKK thread. She was from some small town in France.

Wednesday 33 yr old. Solid 9. 5, probably 10. But this one caused me the most angst. Would not move to WhatsApp till today when she sent me her phone number at 7 am confirming our time.

We set for 2 pm and she then sent me text 2:20-2:30. I'm starting to think she will flake.

She pulled up to the JW Marriott and was stunning. Turned every head. But had a all business look. So angst again from me.

After 10 minutes the hair flips started, biting lip and blushing and body language completely opened up. Started telling me all kinds of personal things. She had said could only do 1 HR. I thought this was going to be a long courtship and told her I had a 8 pm dinner meeting and wanted to hit the gym and shower. So had concierge call her a Taxi.

As she gets in the Uber she asked again when I was leaving and I said 8 am.

20 minutes later she calls and said she coming back to finish what we started.

Full GFE, Bareback sex, leaves after 1.5 hrs. Called her another taxi and she was gone. She was from the Ukraine, been here 13 years. No other payment that 2 taxis.

Now I am running out of time. For my dinner meeting with the 25 year old. Solid 8. Her English is perfect. Went to school in Toronto. A lot of banter with her on texts.

Had 8 pm reservations at IWASE, best sushi in Germany. Real Deal. I get there at 8 pm. See missed 3 calls from her. I call her and she said can't get an UBer. JPmorgan marathon today in the rain fucked the traffic. She said she has been trying for 45 minutes.

I told her do what you need to do. I'm ordering and eating. They had Yamazaki so I was happy.

Calls me again and said ask them if they have parking. They said garage next door. She said she is driving to me.

Whatever. Don't believe her.

Halfway thru my sashimi course and excellent toro she calls and said come outside. Now I'm losing patience. I'm 48. Already blew one load.

I come outside and she is in a brand new Cayenne Turbo with Russian plates. Now I am worried.

She said I have to park the car because she will not maneuver it through the parking garage.

I get in and we park. I'm starting to think I have been set up. We go in she orders, we finish the bottle of Yamazaki and leave.

Now she says I have to drive her car back to her house? I'm stupid for pussy. I'm horny now with her big tits, red toes, so I do it like a dumbass. She lives in west end I think it's called near the city center. Pull up to her place, she opens gate and I park in the back and she said let's go drink in town. We find a bar, munchio? Or something. It's late now, I said let's get out of here. She said sure. She asked where, I told her I'm going to my hotel and she can join me. She played like she wasn't sure, we walked and talked right to the JW.

In the room, game over, just like I like, hardcore sex, bareback sex, bareback anal, choking whatever I wanted. Fucked her silly. She soaked my sheets. Thank you Yamazaki. She showered, then when I was showering she got dressed like a good girl.

Called her an Uber. She said let's do it again when I'm back. Total costs- Dinner and the drinks, plus 14 e Uber.

Now I see why you guys are so hot on seeking. I'm spoiled as fuck now.

Have a date set up with a 21 yr old in NJ who is texting me like crazy on Friday when I return.

Thanks to all of your tips.

FYI- I tried tinder also. Got a lot of matches, but I found it harder. So need to see how much effort I will put into tinder.

[AmericanPi]

Holy crap man. What a whirlwind. Congrats on that.

Honestly can't believe you did FKK instead of a sealed SA deal. But FKK is something every straight man has to experience in his short life. Just describing it people would think you're lying.

Well done.

So after reading all about seeking on here. I had to give it a try for trip to Frankfurt this week.

I know a strange place, but I thought let me get the kinks worked out so I become more proficient.

Set up a profile, posted some hidden pics. And wrote 2 canned messages, 1 for Ex-US, and one for US.

Started making my favorite list last week, and started sending messages 4 days before my arrival on Tuesday this week.

Sent about 20-30 messages. Got 15 replies. Followed up with messages and they all wanted access to my pics.

Approved access to my pics. 2 didn't reply after that. 1 said she didn't believe my pics were real, looked way younger than my stated age of 48 and too attractive, LOL.

12 replied after pics and said they are interested in speaking more.

Sent them all my WhatsApp and switched conversations to WhatsApp. One said telegram. I deleted her.

Then then WhatsApp convos started. Was feeling really good. Was concentrating on the 4 hottest. Two 9. 5's, and two 8's.

Age range, 22, 23, 25, 33.

Set up meetings for lunch and dinner on Tuesday and Wednesday.

Tuesday 23 yr solid 8. Hit it off really well, but I was getting worried she was really thinking I would be more than a SD. Have been in that situation and didn't not end well. So after lunch, got her an Uber and sent her back. She was clearly disappointed. But has been texting me. She was a real German.

Tuesday 23 yr. Solid 9.5, she had initiated the arrangement topic. I did not initiate with any of them on purpose. She said after dinner if I'm as attractive as my picture she will stay the night of that was ok. But would like 400 and cover her taxi home in the morning. I said no problem.

[FastMdSter]

So after reading all about seeking on here. I had to give it a try for trip to Frankfurt this week.

I know a strange place, but I thought let me get the kinks worked out so I become more proficient.

Set up a profile, posted some hidden pics. And wrote 2 canned messages, 1 for Ex-US, and one for US.

Started making my favorite list last week, and started sending messages 4 days before my arrival on Tuesday this week.

Sent about 20-30 messages. Got 15 replies. Followed up with messages and they all wanted access to my pics.

Approved access to my pics. 2 didn't reply after that. 1 said she didn't believe my pics were real, looked way younger than my stated age of 48 and too attractive, LOL.

12 replied after pics and said they are interested in speaking more.

Sent them all my WhatsApp and switched conversations to WhatsApp. One said telegram. I deleted her.

Then then WhatsApp convos started. Was feeling really good. Was concentrating on the 4 hottest. Two 9. 5's, and two 8's.

Age range, 22, 23, 25, 33.

Set up meetings for lunch and dinner on Tuesday and Wednesday.

Tuesday 23 yr solid 8. Hit it off really well, but I was getting worried she was really thinking I would be more than a SD. Have been in that situation and didn't not end well. So after lunch, got her an Uber and sent her back. She was clearly disappointed. But has been texting me. She was a real German.

Tuesday 23 yr. Solid 9.5, she had initiated the arrangement topic. I did not initiate with any of them on purpose. She said after dinner if I'm as attractive as my picture she will stay the night of that was ok. But would like 400 and cover her taxi home in the morning. I said no problem.

But, then I started thinking how am I not going to go to an FKK. So I canceled last minute. She was cool and still texting.

Went to sharks. Report posted today in FKK thread. She was from some small town in France.

Wednesday 33 yr old. Solid 9. 5, probably 10. But this one caused me the most angst. Would not move to WhatsApp till today when she sent me her phone number at 7 am confirming our time.

We set for 2 pm and she then sent me text 2:20-2:30. I'm starting to think she will flake.

She pulled up to the JW Marriott and was stunning. Turned every head. But had a all business look. So angst again from me.

After 10 minutes the hair flips started, biting lip and blushing and body language completely opened up. Started telling me all kinds of personal things. She had said could only do 1 HR. I thought this was going to be a long courtship and told her I had a 8 pm dinner meeting and wanted to hit the gym and shower. So had concierge call her a Taxi.

As she gets in the Uber she asked again when I was leaving and I said 8 am.

20 minutes later she calls and said she coming back to finish what we started.

Full GFE, Bareback sex, leaves after 1.5 hrs. Called her another taxi and she was gone. She was from the Ukraine, been here 13 years. No other payment that 2 taxis.

Now I am running out of time. For my dinner meeting with the 25 year old. Solid 8. Her English is perfect. Went to school in Toronto. A lot of banter with her on texts.

Had 8 pm reservations at IWASE, best sushi in Germany. Real Deal. I get there at 8 pm. See missed 3 calls from her. I call her and she said can't get an UBer. JPmorgan marathon today in the rain fucked the traffic. She said she has been trying for 45 minutes.

I told her do what you need to do. I'm ordering and eating. They had Yamazaki so I was happy.

Calls me again and said ask them if they have parking. They said garage next door. She said she is driving to me.

Whatever. Don't believe her.

Halfway thru my sashimi course and excellent toro she calls and said come outside. Now I'm losing patience. I'm 48. Already blew one load.

I come outside and she is in a brand new Cayenne Turbo with Russian plates. Now I am worried.

She said I have to park the car because she will not maneuver it through the parking garage.

I get in and we park. I'm starting to think I have been set up. We go in she orders, we finish the bottle of Yamazaki and leave.

Now she says I have to drive her car back to her house? I'm stupid for pussy. I'm horny now with her big tits, red toes, so I do it like a dumbass. She lives in west end I think it's called near the city center. Pull up to her place, she opens gate and I park in the back and she said let's go drink in town. We find a bar, munchio? Or something. It's late now, I said let's get out of here. She said sure. She asked where, I told her I'm going to my hotel and she can join me. She played like she wasn't sure, we walked and talked right to the JW.

In the room, game over, just like I like, hardcore sex, bareback sex, bareback anal, choking whatever I wanted. Fucked her silly. She soaked my sheets. Thank you Yamazaki. She showered, then when I was showering she got dressed like a good girl.

Called her an Uber. She said let's do it again when I'm back. Total costs- Dinner and the drinks, plus 14 e Uber.

Now I see why you guys are so hot on seeking. I'm spoiled as fuck now.

Have a date set up with a 21 yr old in NJ who is texting me like crazy on Friday when I return.

Thanks to all of your tips.

FYI- I tried tinder also. Got a lot of matches, but I found it harder. So need to see how much effort I will put into tinder.

[AmericanPi]

That's good input. Thanks for taking the time.

I actually do well going up to girls in my city, even young ones, and chatting them. I think I assume SA will be different because I'm not playing the long game. If I don't get into bed, tonight, the date is a waste. I don't need female friends who love going out to eat. I've got plenty of those. So then I just think if I'm being honest, a 20 year old girl is going to want to bang a young guy, if all that's gong on is banging. We aren't talking about relationships here.

But I totally hear you. And I appreciate your point. And I will keep that in mind as I pursue these young mujeres.

If all this is true about yourself, you should be fine with 20-25 women. Many women in their twenties like mature men in their forties for many reasons. I don't think it's just about money, but also how a mature man carries himself and lays out the date. When I was in my forties, I even had young women comment about my decor. A young man might have a good job, but not know how to carry himself and have post-college tastes. I would also add that in my opinion a fortysomething male is still close to his peak appearance if he keeps himself in shape and hasn't lost too much hair.

That being said, I don't think walking into a bar and hitting on young women is going to go too well. There guard is up. They are likely with friends.

I found that I met them through business, the gym, the coffee shop, etc. Anywhere, I could have a one-on-one greet and flirt. That's my take. I live in a large city. My neighborhood has many young women so the chance to interact is a daily, regular thing.

When I was in my forties, I have had young women literally say "you're fun and we don't have to worry about where this goes".