Sao Paulo Reports

[Fewdie]

After scanning your very long no-ending essay, my statement still holds true.

I'm putting the price out there because its a factor for many here. You can believe the numbers or not believe. Your money and time. GFE is another factor that many people here (maybe except you) considers and paying higher most likely won't change any of that. I'm fluent in portuguese and have talked with a lot of the people there and around Brazil and can say what I said without a doubt. Have a good day.

Despite your claim, the exchange rate absolutely is a relevant consideration. That's the real world reality of the situation on the ground. And an offer of 500 reals is absolutely not competitive for a top hottie at a place like Scandallo given current exchange rates. When the rate was 2 to 1, 500 reals would get you a lower end 6, and 400 reals would get you laughed out of the place! So think about it. But the solution is simple. If you don't want to pay Scandallo prices, then just don't go to Scandallo versus coming here and scolding mongers who do choose to go there about what they pay Scandallo tutes. It's just that simple. Don't fight a losing battle against the system. Don't fight the man. Because nobody is really listening. The clinicas are you! Because you see, just like cars (Buicks, BMWs, and Bentleys), the value of all women is not the same for each and every one of them. You may not think it's worth it to pay that kind of money for that "expensive ride". But, plenty of other people do. And will. I used to say the same thing about air travel too. First Class / Business Class isn't worth it. I'm flying on the same damn plane going to the same damn place and paying so much less riding back here! Well, after I flew Business Class for the first time, there was no happily going back to Coach Class ever again! Now, I'm not one of these guys who thinks I'm getting more just because I'm paying more, especially when it comes to pussy. But, I do know how to recognize what represents value and worth to me. So, count me in at Scandallo! With current exchange rates always being taken into consideration! Hell, even if you're sticking to the clinicas or wherever you're going overseas you should do that! What is the value of your currency in the market where you want to purchase a good or service? That's the way the real world works. Not that all pussy is only worth 500 reals max, and that's it! There are other factors that must be taken into consideration, including the current exchange rate.

[SocratesNY]

Thanks to TedFerguson, Tochka, JZeleznik, and NiceFirst for your reports.

I just came back from a trip last week and already missing SP. Thankfully, I get to go back in 2 months. I wasn't going to post regarding my recent trip, as I've done my fair share of reports on SP, but I keep learning / experiencing something new and cool each trip. Your reports also makes me want to give back.

Clinicas:

Patricia the blonde receptionist at Prime is a riot and Julia the receptionist at 57 is great and speaks great English. I also experienced the R10 "theft" by the brunette receptionist at Prime previously, but she stopped doing that on repeat visits.

When I started visiting clinicas on my first trip to SP, I would get a presentation and then walk / Uber to next one if I don't like what I saw. I would just do a circuit of Prime, 57, Miruna, Abbobora, and Enjoy.

Since that first visit, I have gained a bit more patience. It helps to get in their Whatsapp status updates. They will add you when you visit in person. It is also a good idea to check their "lineup book" at reception, listing the girls who are scheduled / started working that day, before you leave. It gives you an idea who / how many are busy in the room and wasn't present during your presentation. Both helps me decide whether to stay and wait to see whether the other occupied girls appeal to me.

I've also met many cool dudes while waiting, as we traded advice on who gives good service, who is hot, what other good places to go, etc.

On a final note, many of the popular girls get booked up by regulars via phone / WhatsApp appointments. So if you like someone, but they aren't available or no rooms are free. Just book an appointment and return later or for the next day!

That is what I eventually had to do with my favorite clinica girl, Jade from Prime. She rocked my world during one of my earlier trips, but I had trouble booking her spontaneously on subsequent trips. So this time, I made an appointment. And she hasn't changed a bit. Best GFE / PSE service of any clinica girl I've had in SP, and probably top 3 to 5 of any Brazilian P4 P encounter, which is saying a lot, considering all the amazing experiences I've had in Brazil.

Scandallo:

Sorry and also very surprised to hear about some of the recent reports about subpar talent or unmet expectations at Scandallo. I've been to SP 8 x in the last 15 months so probably been to Scandallo 20+ occasions during that period.

Since the first visit, which my friend and I found to be amazing, I've seen the talent at Scandallo, both in quality and quantity, improve with each subsequent trip. That has a lot to do with the pandemic becoming an endemic, the city lifting restrictions, and more girls being comfortable working and clients visiting the clubs.

This culminated in my most recent trip where I met a girl at Scandallo that was 9. 9 in looks in my book (Brooklyn Decker face and Paulina Porizkova body), spoke good English, was witty, intelligent, elegant and stylish. And to top it off, she was amazing in bed. My only regret was not meeting her until my last night in town. We plan to meet up in future visits. There is one drawback to her, which I will mention later in this post.

As for the rest of the talent in Scandallo last week. I have to say it was off the charts AMAZING! I usually visit SP from Thursday to Monday, but this trip I was there from Tuesday to Friday. And wow. Tuesday and Wednesday are super busy with high end talent. Those 2 days and Thursdays are probably the best days to go to Scandallo. The talent drops off a bit on Friday and then more on Saturday. Monday is probably the slowest day at the club.

Besides my newfound ATF at Scandallo, there were at least 7 to 10 other girls I considered to be 9+ on looks. And probably 3-4 of them to be 9. 5+. And I consider myself to be a tough grader. I generally go for young girl with a pretty / model like face and thin / porportional bodies. What they call gazelles. But I saw tons of voluptuous bombshells and slutty PSE looks as well. Basically all body types and looks to suit any taste. There were easily 150+, if not 200+ girls working on Tues to Thursday last week. Of those, there were lots of 7's and 8's as well. Only a super minority would I consider ro be 6 or below.

Daytime is a bit more quiet and has a relaxed vibe, and things don't get hopping until 10:30 to 11 pm and kept going strong until at least 3 am (the lastest I stayed before leaving with a girl).

You usually catch a different type of girl who works the daytime shift. Many have family obligations or pretend they work a regular job, while workimg in Scandallo. There are more fly by night girls, who are just trying it out, need a quick cash infusion and then stop, etc. Who work during the day shift. There are also less girls working during the day. This can lead to a wide range of talent levels. I've met some drop dead gorgeous girls who did this for just a few weeks to a month and stopped. But also saw a lot of girls that wouldn't interest me even if it was free during the day. Those definitely choose to work during the day shift due to less competition.

I find that a lot of the best talent shows up between 6 to 8 pm, as they can catch the after work crowd, who wants a quickie before going home, while also not having to stay too late to make their quota in terms of time spent in club, rooms or a "Saida" for a free invite back.

Then you have your creme de la creme talent, that can show up at 10,11 pm. Or midnight and not worry about their admission or free invite, as they are so hot and in demand, that they can guarantee a few high priced rooms or a saida. These girls come and go as they please and don't care much about the free invite, so don't work the full 5 days. They often have regulars who book them for the night or take them on international trips so only work when there is a gap in their schedule and want to work. Many of those girls get snapped up fast in the club as soon as they arrive.

My new ATF girl falls into that last category. She is crazy hot and I saw her on the previous 2 nights, but both nights she was with a guy as soon as I noticed her. Each of the two previous nights, the guy partied with her for an hour or two and then they left the club together. On my last night in town, I made it my mission to find her in the club, so politely turned down all offers. I did meet one other girl I liked and told her I was waiting on someone else and got her number. We ended up having a very good afternoon rendezvous in my place the next day before my flight in the evening.

Going back to my new ATF girl, I saw her just before midnight, arriving at the club from the elevator. I quickly approached her and introduced myself. I found her to have good English skills and we decided to go to the outdoor patio for a drink.

We hit it off and soon I turned the discussion to compensation and she floored me somewhat with her pricing. She wanted R1,000 for the hour (quite normal as a first ask) and R3,000 for overnight (way more than I've ever been asked for). I told her it wasn't my first rodeo and I usually pay R5-700 for the hour and R1,000 to R1,500 for overnight. She politely told me that's them and this is her price. She wouldn't budge even when I offered R800 for the hour or R2,000 for overnight, numbers that would get a guaranteed yes from 99.99% of the girls there.

I decided to pay more than I've ever paid for an hour in Brazil, as she ticked all my boxes, and the FX rate is in my favor. 10 minutes into our session, I was thinking of extending to 90 min! And 45 min into it, I decided to pay her price of R3,000 for overnight, as she was so good in bed. Her price is 2 x the cost of the highest I've ever paid a boates girl for overnight.

I wasn't sure If she would live up to her billing for an overnight, but to my surprise, she was totally worth it to me. She had incredible endurance and passion. Her service was the best I've had in Brazil. And she was the hottest working girl I met in Brazil as well. That rare combination, as well as her witty and sweet personality makes her a rare unicorn in this line of work.

I almost took a pass on her due to her overnight pricing (I prefer overnight to on-site, as I usually have a nice suite at a 5 star hotel), but am glad I decided to sample her for the hour and doubly glad I took her back to my hotel, as she gave me one of the top 5 hobbying nights of my life.

[Nounce]

I have heard this more than once in Brazil. I suffered for two weeks last time I was there too. Paid more than USD 300 to see a doctor and ran a bunch of tests but did not show anything.

The below are my impressions after a week in So Paulo, and two weeks in Buenos Aires. Both are amazing cities with tons of attractive women. ...

I had some luck in BA. Met a 18 or 19 yr old, and she didn't even ask for condom. I think food is much better than Colombia and good steaks are cheap. It looks like I may cross paths with you soon.

[JZeleznik]

Having a checking account that reimburse ATM fees adds lots of flexibility. I've had fees as as much as 10-12% (up to 60-70 USD) reimbursed.

Oh interesting. I have the Schwab card and its great for the 20 R ATM fees, but I always assumed it wouldn't work for those percentage based charges. You've seen it reimburse currency conversion charges yourself?

[SocratesNY]

Having a checking account that reimburse ATM fees adds lots of flexibility. I've had fees as as much as 10-12% (up to 60-70 USD) reimbursed.

I personally recommend getting a Schwab or TD bank account for international hobbying, as both have 0 to low minimum balance requirements and reimburse ALL ATM fees.

Make sure to decline conversion on ATM withdrawals Always let your bank determine the exchange rate, which will be close to market rate. When using a credit card, also make sure you are paying in BRL and not USD / Euro, etc.

I personally prefer Bradesco or Satander ATMs in the city, as they have minimal ATM fees and almost always let your bank do the conversion. I also occasionally use the ATM at GRU near the Starbucka in Terminal 3 just before you exit. My frienda and I have used this bank of ATMs without issue / fraud / card cloning, etc.

[Nordico]

I used to say the same thing about air travel too. First Class / Business Class isn't worth it. I'm flying on the same damn plane going to the same damn place and paying so much less riding back here! Well, after I flew Business Class for the first time, there was no happily going back to Coach Class ever again!

I know what you are talking about. Today I checked flights to Germany with Lufthansa and to my surprise the business class was cheaper than the economy class. European business class is not very good, but still worth paying little bit more to avoid the lines and not having anybody sitting next to you etc.

[TedFerguson]

The below are my impressions after a week in São Paulo, and two weeks in Buenos Aires. Both are amazing cities with tons of attractive women. São Paulo definitely has the edge in weather, sunshine and the sheer number of options.

I should mention that my preference is medium-term relationships measured in weeks and months, and that my Spanish is decent while Portuguese is rapidly improving. I like to go to nice restaurants, learn new things from conversations, form an emotional connection and genuinely enjoy helping them financially.

Let's start with the first flavor, clubs such as Scandallo. I was there maybe 3 times earlier in the week. Not all it's cracked up to be (as recent posts suggest). I found maybe 3 girls who met my requirements. True to my preference, I picked a hot young 20 year old with a near perfect body. There was very little emotional connection and the conversation was frankly dull. Nevertheless, I repeated with her 3 x during the week to try to figure out why. It seems like she's primarily focused on $ and less interested in anything long-term. Ultimately unsatisfying. Tonight I'm going to try to experience Scandallo as it was meant to be experienced, I. E. Go to the club, try the girls in the on-site rooms and then go home. I suspect I'll be dissatisfied but worth trying.

The second flavor, clinicas such as Lotus Lounge. One thing I liked here was their communication over WhatsApp. You can see who's working and book them ahead of time. I don't really like massages so wasn't expecting much here but picked a new girl with a crackin' body and gave it a shot. There was no massage to speak of, rather a near perfect GFE experience from start to finish. She was patient with my bad Portuguese and despite not being as attractive as the Scandallo girl, I left far more satisfied. We met for dinner the next day, and she was quite late (almost an hour). The conversation was rather dull although I got some smiles out of her. However, when we got back to my hotel, that perfect GFE experience made up for all of it with her going for two rounds while stimulating herself. Sadly, it's clear this girl is rather high mileage as I started having some throat pain in the following days and a small ulcer on the inside of my upper lip. I'm pondering if I can see her again without kissing, but may end up skipping entirely.

The third flavor, sugar dating primarily on Seeking. The first girl flaked outright (fake account). The second had doctored photos. And this is even with me asking them for unedited selfies. The third girl was solid, an 18 year old with a great body, great English and a cute face which could use a bit more care. The fourth girl was an aesthetician and was 26 rather than 23. Our first meeting was excellent, with her going for a second round without my prompting. Our second meeting was just ok, with me being a little tired because she was 1 hour late (again). Perhaps most importantly, she suggested the MeuPatrocinio site for sugar dating which I've signed up for, and oh boy there are more options than Seeking there for Brazil. First date asked for much lower prices than Seeking, and is tomorrow. Hopefully I'll have something good to report in a week or so.

Given that I'm here for weeks to months, I think I can focus on the sugar dating sites and keep learning Portuguese. I might dabble a bit in clinicas and clubs, but overall think they're ill advised for what I'm looking for.

I was in Buenos Aires for two weeks before, and I enjoyed the city immensely. Winter is not the best time to go, weather-wise, and the food was not quite as diverse as Brazil or Colombia, but the women make up for it. One thing which was interesting was the range in pricing, from $100-$300 (one actually asked for $2000). I'm always willing to pay for quality, although next time I'm there I'll probably negotiate down more and pay in pesos. The situation with inflation in Argentina makes the country very cheap to live in.

Nevertheless, the girls I met were the most punctual in LatAm, great conversationalists, and above average to great in bed. Two of the girls were on their periods when we met and that stopped nothing. For one of them, we just had sex in the bathroom. For the other, we put a towel down on the bed and the hotel didn't complain. I've had the strongest emotional connection to the girls in Argentina and will be back when the weather improves.

[Tochka]

Because the rate is very bad. Goto bradesco and withdraw.

Zelezni thank you. Your details were super helpful. Uber from GRU airport was convenient to Moema. Which is located next to another airport.

I went to Ibirapuera mall. Claro on the first floor was useless. On the second floor, Claro sold the sim and data package, the mall is adjacent to a metro line. I traveled ave Paulista with all the banks. None of the ATMs from Santander Banco do Brasil, Caixa, or Itaú worked to withdraw funds on my visa card. Only Bradesco ATM. Thanks for the pro tip Fewdie declined the conversion.

A newbie observation does pay the house upfront or pay after the deed is done. Different clinical, different rules of paying.

[JZeleznik]

Strip clubs. More expensive, expect $150-$200 a session. You often have to take them out and then add love motel cost on top. Girls tend to be of very high quality, but its not cheap by SA standards.

This may be a stupid question, but where / what are the strip clubs? That's usually my go to in unfamiliar territory, but I don't see any listed on Google maps. I would kill for a strip club right now.

In terms of the currency, that was problematic for me too. Coming by way of Brazil that meant I didn't have much in the way of dollars on me. Western Union is the best option for that, as it gives you pesos at what they call the Dollar Blue, or real exchange rate rather than the fake rate ATMs give you. With Western Union you can send yourself money at a rate of 300 pesos per dollar as opposed to the 130 the official rate offers. The downside there is almost none of the Western Union stores actually have cash. I tried to do $500 US, and literally only the big store downtown could process it. I literally initiated a second transfer while waiting in the 2 hour line.

Appreciate the info, and any club names / locations you could forward I'd be grateful for. Again sorry to the Sao Paulo community for cluttering the thread!

[Tochka]

On the ground in Moema. Prime is walking distance from the apartment hotel. . Three or four girls were available at 2 pm. She called more chicas while I waited. A few new to me observations. I was surprised how much I could chat and understand chicas with my poor street Spanglish. Nice to have basic conversations to instruct them on how I liked different positions. Good coffee while waiting. "Que legal. " As reported in Prime Ariella was a nice sloppy deep throat. Prime had six customers waiting by the time I left. Busy place. I walked to clinic Miruna, one of my favorite places.

Few observations that helped me a lot first trip.

The clinicas in Moema have building numbers! Made it easier to find them.

Clinicas and 7 Friends have very hood Wifi internet in the clinicas. Used their connection until my lazy ass could walk to the Claro store at the mall.

The service in the clinicas was great, small hot coffee, cold water, and Red Bull.

I prefer the 30 min option to test drive a Garota. Easy to extend to one hour if going well.

BBBJ was very common. I confirmed anyway with each chica before starting.

Alex H was right SP reminded me of Jakarta, the clinicas are discrete buildings. They are not behind huge security gates like in El Salvador o Guatemala.

In Moema I walked everywhere to at least five or six different clinicas. I stayed from 1 pm to six or 7 pm every day to sample the talent and 57 House. Found the gp-gua review site. It.

Walked to the laundry nearby to clean and wash clothes for a Cheap prices.

First night in Moema apartmento hotel a small jet went screaming overhead at 0600 am. Woke up right away. By the third night slept hard, late into the morning not bothered by the plane noise. As one poster said the entire area hears the same thing.

I went to Scandallo Wednesday night around 9 pm. More garotas arrived later in the night. It was a good experience. At the bar a cute Alicia Keys-looking hottie chatted me up about something. . we switched between spanish and my basic Duolingo portugués.

I ask her how much for the hour in portugués, she replied 450 reals. Asked her to repeat it in Spanish. Sure enough 450 reals. Bueno let's go. I didn't negotiate lower. It was the exact price point I wanted to pay. I didn't buy her a drink either. Scandallo is set up to use credit cards. We went down the elevator and backup on a different elevator. Greeted by another set of cashiers. I paid everything in cash to have a better feel for prices. The room was are $230, garota are $450 an hour, entrance fee with consumables already talked about by others. Uber are $25 to Scandallo from Moema, a 25 min ride at night. Got her WhatsApp number. We are meeting up for daytime fun.

[The Cane]

When the rate was 2 to 1, 500 reals would get you a lower end 6, and 400 reals would get you laughed out of the place! So think about it.

I meant to refer back to when the exchange rate was 3 to 1.

[DarkSide0127]

Returned this morning and sitting in airport working on solution to go back!

Sao Paulo is an amazing city. I loved the vibe. One can really alternate between the clinicas and Scandallo, which may be the GOAT in the entire world for hobbyists.

Hi,

So with my first Sao Paulo experience in the books, I really have to say it lives up to the hype. I had exactly one had session in my time there, and everything else was somewhere between decent and spectacular. Even as I write this my balls are begging me to go back. My routine was as follows:

Tengara: This place was the best priced, and the quality of the girls didn't suffer for it. On the contrary, two of the best looking girls I sessioned with were found here. Technically I should say three, but the third, Lily who appearance wise was gorgeous and exactly my type, was my single bad experience. With Lily I could tell she was struggling a bit so I tried to go slower / easier, but after 20 minutes of sex she literally said no more and wanted to give me a hand job. For the remaining 40 minutes. I tried to compromise and told her to do a blowjob, which quickly turned into a lazy hand job. After 10 minutes of that I just told her to stop, paid for the hour, and left. Eliza was my all star here, but everyone (well almost) was a good experience.

Prime: This place had some really good looking girls, some of whom I got to spend time with, and some I just saw passing through the reception area. More than once I decided to wait for a girl I saw, only to have someone else catch my interest after sitting for 10-20 minutes. Not one bad session here, and while its more expensive than Tengara, its still cheap by any Western standard. Paloma was probably the best PSE style session on my entire trip, and Angelica was the most passionate. A note about the staff, the blonde lady is awesome and has a great attitude, but the one with the dark hair I wasn't a fan of. I'm pretty sure she kept my change both times she was at the desk, and while it was only 10 R it was annoying. Normally I'd say something, but since I don't speak Portuguese I didn't think it was worth getting into in the event that I was wrong.

Miruna: This one was my least visited clinica, but no complaints. About the same price as Prime, and the same if we count that dark haired woman stealing my 10 R haha. Girls here were slightly less appealing in terms of looks, but certainly not bad, and the service was solid. If you don't find anyone you like at Prime, or you're out earlier in the day, I definitively suggest making your way here.

[DarkSide0127]

Thanks for writing such an elegant and accurate review. All you'e said is true. Scandallo is a masterpiece and never fails. Pries R500 to R1500 depending on what your'e looking for and how you 'connect'.

Hi,

So with my first Sao Paulo experience in the books, I really have to say it lives up to the hype. I had exactly one had session in my time there, and everything else was somewhere between decent and spectacular. Even as I write this my balls are begging me to go back. My routine was as follows:

Tengara: This place was the best priced, and the quality of the girls didn't suffer for it. On the contrary, two of the best looking girls I sessioned with were found here. Technically I should say three, but the third, Lily who appearance wise was gorgeous and exactly my type, was my single bad experience. With Lily I could tell she was struggling a bit so I tried to go slower / easier, but after 20 minutes of sex she literally said no more and wanted to give me a hand job. For the remaining 40 minutes. I tried to compromise and told her to do a blowjob, which quickly turned into a lazy hand job. After 10 minutes of that I just told her to stop, paid for the hour, and left. Eliza was my all star here, but everyone (well almost) was a good experience.

Prime: This place had some really good looking girls, some of whom I got to spend time with, and some I just saw passing through the reception area. More than once I decided to wait for a girl I saw, only to have someone else catch my interest after sitting for 10-20 minutes. Not one bad session here, and while its more expensive than Tengara, its still cheap by any Western standard. Paloma was probably the best PSE style session on my entire trip, and Angelica was the most passionate. A note about the staff, the blonde lady is awesome and has a great attitude, but the one with the dark hair I wasn't a fan of. I'm pretty sure she kept my change both times she was at the desk, and while it was only 10 R it was annoying. Normally I'd say something, but since I don't speak Portuguese I didn't think it was worth getting into in the event that I was wrong.

Miruna: This one was my least visited clinica, but no complaints. About the same price as Prime, and the same if we count that dark haired woman stealing my 10 R haha. Girls here were slightly less appealing in terms of looks, but certainly not bad, and the service was solid. If you don't find anyone you like at Prime, or you're out earlier in the day, I definitively suggest making your way here.

57 Friends: This one is a bar rather than a clinica, and one of the places I'd go at night. Drinks are expensive by local standards, but not unreasonable, and it had no entry fee. Girls are basically clinica prices, which is nice. My second best session happened here, and I saw several amazing looking women my first day who I wanted to session with. I went back many times, but never saw any of those women again, and the ones I did see were nothing special. My impression is quality is inconsistent, but you have the potential to see some all stars if you catch the right night. I wish I had found one of two more places like this for the rotation. Additionally the staff here are very friendly, which made my unsuccessful visits pleasant.

[The Cane]

Guys guys comon. Scandallo. 400 or 500 MAX!! If they don't agree and wants something over then they probably don't like you. If they don't like you then its not worth it. Even if the dollar is 10 reais. We can can get so much for 400-500.

Despite your claim, the exchange rate absolutely is a relevant consideration. That's the real world reality of the situation on the ground. And an offer of 500 reals is absolutely not competitive for a top hottie at a place like Scandallo given current exchange rates. When the rate was 2 to 1, 500 reals would get you a lower end 6, and 400 reals would get you laughed out of the place! So think about it. But the solution is simple. If you don't want to pay Scandallo prices, then just don't go to Scandallo versus coming here and scolding mongers who do choose to go there about what they pay Scandallo tutes. It's just that simple. Don't fight a losing battle against the system. Don't fight the man. Because nobody is really listening. The clinicas are you! Because you see, just like cars (Buicks, BMWs, and Bentleys), the value of all women is not the same for each and every one of them. You may not think it's worth it to pay that kind of money for that "expensive ride". But, plenty of other people do. And will. I used to say the same thing about air travel too. First Class / Business Class isn't worth it. I'm flying on the same damn plane going to the same damn place and paying so much less riding back here! Well, after I flew Business Class for the first time, there was no happily going back to Coach Class ever again! Now, I'm not one of these guys who thinks I'm getting more just because I'm paying more, especially when it comes to pussy. But, I do know how to recognize what represents value and worth to me. So, count me in at Scandallo! With current exchange rates always being taken into consideration! Hell, even if you're sticking to the clinicas or wherever you're going overseas you should do that! What is the value of your currency in the market where you want to purchase a good or service? That's the way the real world works. Not that all pussy is only worth 500 reals max, and that's it! There are other factors that must be taken into consideration, including the current exchange rate.

[Fewdie]

Guys guys comon. Scandallo. 400 or 500 MAX!! If they don't agree and wants something over then they probably don't like you. If they don't like you then its not worth it. Even if the dollar is 10 reais. We can can get so much for 400-500.