Sao Paulo Reports

[Nounce]

Would be great ....

Barsi posted an analogy saying going to Italy to eat at McDonald. I said that is not what FewDie said. Because of that it is not a fair comparison. If I were going to make the same analogy, I would say going to DOM and wanting to pay McDonald price is a better analogy. Do you agree or not agree? Basically, I questioned what was written, I don't question the writers.

... if Nounce could let us know how many times he visited Scandallo and more important when was his last time visiting. ....

So do you think my above observation will require my presence to be valid?

[SocratesNY]

Would be great if Nounce could let us know how many times he visited Scandallo and more important when was his last time visiting.

Just to be clear, even though I was quoting Nounce, the OP I and others are referencing is Fewdie. I have much respect for Nounce's insight and logical questions / discussion here.

It is Fewdie, who many of us disagree with. His claim that local prices are currently so low and that anything more is overpaying gringo pricing is simply preposterous and ignorant.

I have been there maybe 100 times in the past 2 years, do speak portuguese, here my observation:

The situation from 2019-2021 was: in-house: 500 BRL takeout: 1000 BRL.

However from mid / end 2021 suddenly there was a huge price increase (same time when entry was raised from 300 to 400 BRL) to in-house: 700-1000 BRL takeout 1200-1500 BRL with the Top10 girls on any night even trying in-house 1000-1500 BRK takeout: 2-3 k BRL.

This has nothing to do with gringo pricing as mostly brazilians are paying those prices. In my opinion the quality now is worse than before pandemic, demand for the few top girls therefore higher, while there are always enough customers willing to spend 2-3 k to take them out.

Offering them 400-500 for in-house, they would just laugh and walk away.

Excellent insight and data points.

I've noticed an increase as well from early 2021 to late 2021 and another increase now in mid 2022 with global inflation rampant.

People who always talk about gringo prices have no idea how SP boates work.

People who think tourists / gringos set the market in Scandallo are misinformed to the point of being delusional. 95+% of the clients at Scandallo are affluent local Brazilians.

[SocratesNY]

Yeah, one can get a girl for 500-700 R / HR or 1200-1500 R / overnight, the rates many of us would find reasonable, the question is. Will she be top quality? I mean, in the top 5-10% range? 8. 5-10/10? Creme of the creme? I doubt it, and the resent post about 3000 R girl proves it. Girls in high demand ask much higher rates and won't budge. 500-700 R is an entry level rate that would get you a cute girl next door type, but what's the point of chasing average or just above average looking girls at a high end venue like Scandallo and pay all these extra fees which nobody takes into account? Makes no sense to me. If one has a coin and is ready to splurge on a smoking hot 9, Scandallo is the place to be.

My experience is that the "entry rate" I've paid (R600-800 for 1 HR and R1000 to R1500) is not a starting rate, but what 95+% of the girls that works there consider to be fair / acceptable to them. Of course there are a few exceptions to the rule. As with everything in life.

I usually do not go with any girl that is less than an 8. 5 for my taste, so maybe the girls that I don't find attractive would take less and also perform poorly or just "ok". And they are the starting point.

For my price range, almost all the girls I've taken are 8. 5 to 9. 5's in my book and performed as well as they look back in my hotel.

I do my due diligence in the interview phase to gauge how their personality is and what they might be like in the room. I usually get a good read on the girl when I chat them up and only go with girls I have good chemistry with. I've turned down many hot girls when I didn't "feel it" when we chat.

However, I've also learned that one man's trash is another man's treasure so I would say it isn't fair to say it's pointless to chase GNDs in a classy place like Scandallo. For all I know, I've been taking all the girls that most guy consider ugly, and saving everyone the trouble of having to see / interact them!

You also make a very valid point about other fees that guys should not overlook. Admission, high drink / food costs, room / exit fees, etc. It isn't just the girls compensation that matters.

Price sensitive mongers would be much better off sticking to clinicas.

Couldn't agree more. Except add the lower cost boates in there! I visit clinicas too, as there are lots of good looking, great performers to be had in clinicas.

[Safado007]

What I disagree with the OP's post is that I don't think R400-500 is the normal price locals pay in Scandallo for 1 HR, at least for the good looking girls who works at night, especially during the busy weekdays.

I also take issue with OP's all-knowing, passive-aggressive and often times insulting tone and words of his posts. Sounds like a troll to me and I've learned to stop feeding him and put him on ignore already.

I've spoken to many local clients, usually at night, and they tell me it's more. Even the local forums have countless posts of locals paying around R400 to 500 at the lower end boates like Casarao.

I am sure under the right circumstance, a girl at Scandallo can be had for that low price range, but just don't expect that to happen with the hot girls during peak times.

I would say the low to high range most locals have paid at Scandallo for 1 HR can vary between 500 to 1500, but there all depends on all the other variables (hotness of the girl, how experienced the girl is, day and time, how you look and carry yourself, etc.).

If you want to close the deal with most of the hot girls when it's busy, R500 won't cut it 99% of the time.

A more realistic expectation for new visitors is in the R600 to 800 range.

Unless you look like LEO the actor or Justin (either of the singers) and is smooth as Danny Oceans.

Would be great if Nounce could let us know how many times he visited Scandallo and more important when was his last time visiting. I have been there maybe 100 times in the past 2 years, do speak portuguese, here my observation:

The situation from 2019-2021 was: in-house: 500 BRL takeout: 1000 BRL.

However from mid / end 2021 suddenly there was a huge price increase (same time when entry was raised from 300 to 400 BRL) to in-house: 700-1000 BRL takeout 1200-1500 BRL with the Top10 girls on any night even trying in-house 1000-1500 BRK takeout: 2-3 k BRL.

This has nothing to do with gringo pricing as mostly brazilians are paying those prices. In my opinion the quality now is worse than before pandemic, demand for the few top girls therefore higher, while there are always enough customers willing to spend 2-3 k to take them out.

Offering them 400-500 for in-house, they would just laugh and walk away. People who always talk about gringo prices have no idea how SP boates work.

[SocratesNY]

To be fair in your comparison, the question is do you pay local price or gringo price? Or do you consider Scandallo similar to McDonald as that is the subject in OP's post

I am not saying OP is correct in regard to price but he was posting what local price is.

What I disagree with the OP's post is that I don't think R400-500 is the normal price locals pay in Scandallo for 1 HR, at least for the good looking girls who works at night, especially during the busy weekdays.

I also take issue with OP's all-knowing, passive-aggressive and often times insulting tone and words of his posts. Sounds like a troll to me and I've learned to stop feeding him and put him on ignore already.

I've spoken to many local clients, usually at night, and they tell me it's more. Even the local forums have countless posts of locals paying around R400 to 500 at the lower end boates like Casarao.

I am sure under the right circumstance, a girl at Scandallo can be had for that low price range, but just don't expect that to happen with the hot girls during peak times.

I would say the low to high range most locals have paid at Scandallo for 1 HR can vary between 500 to 1500, but there all depends on all the other variables (hotness of the girl, how experienced the girl is, day and time, how you look and carry yourself, etc.).

If you want to close the deal with most of the hot girls when it's busy, R500 won't cut it 99% of the time.

A more realistic expectation for new visitors is in the R600 to 800 range.

Unless you look like LEO the actor or Justin (either of the singers) and is smooth as Danny Oceans.

[SocratesNY]

Cool report / observations.

In Scandallo They don't carry the brand of whiskey I prefer to drink. I switch to vsop Hennessey. It was funny to see how a few garotas at first glance focused on the snifter glass with Hennesy drink. The masero made with great presentation pouring the drink. Which I didn't need nor cared about.

They shifted their gaze upward to see a Harvey Weinstein slob meets Jabba hut sipping down henny😜 kkkk. Thanks, Socrates for those examples.

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Surprisingly not an extensive whiskey list for a high-end joint. Switch to drinking Hennessy all night.

Seems most of the locals drink JW Blue for blended and Macallan for single malt, so that is the top shelf stuff they carry. They also carry a Macallan 25 or 30 yr rare cask there too, as I was drinking that with some cool Chileans from Santiago back in October.

I wish they had some Yamazaki 18 or 25, but that is hard to get anywhere. Even in Japan.

Glad your trip is going / went well!

[Axel Heyst]

Aint nobody here got time to do deep critical analysis on this basic crap. Going to go get myself a big mac. (If you order it through the app, its $1. 5 cheaper).

That is fine with me. The more choices the better. I don't necessarily want a stunner at Scandallo every night. Some nights I might meet a sexy girl next door type at Scandallo and she is all I need or want. Some nights I might go crosstown to Bomboa or I might want to have some late-night cheap stuff at Casarao. And then there are days I when I wake up and want a clinica girl or two in the afternoon. It all depends. I like to mix things up that's all.

So, anyone who wants it can buy a Big Mac and fries happy meal in SP for a few BR. It is cheap and the customer knows what he is getting, and the burger is not bad once in a while, although I prefer the cheddar burger. Ha ha.

But, for a few more BR you can get a better burger, IMHO, at a local sit-down restaurant and wash it down with a beer. I think it is a better food, so I tend to eat at these kinds of restaurants a lot more than I do at McDonalds which is rare because when I am in a foreign country I like to eat local. Which reminds me I never eat just burgers or steaks in Brazil, There are all kinds of restaurants serving all kinds of cuisines at various price points.

But getting back to the meat metaphor, for double the money you can go a tier 1 steak house like Rodeio or Pobre Juans where an even better burger and fries will run you a whopping 220 BR. Wow! Scandallo prices. KKK. Actually, I prefer to order steaks at places like Rodeio. It's kind of like the BM who said he would rather pay up and go for the tier 1 stunners in Scandallo than do sexy tier 2 girl next door types. I say, up to you. SP is that kind of town.

All I am trying to say is that there is a boate for nearly everyone's tastes and budget. Be happy and follow your bliss.

[HiddenEye]

There was this bar, that was early mentioned in Brazilian forums back in 2012-2014, it was the "Spy Bar" I also visited as part of my World Cup 2014 scouting. A very odd name indeed. The manager showed me the place as well, it was a nice place, smaller that Scandallo or Cafe Photo. At 20:30 when I arrived there was only one table with clients and 4 girls, all GPS of course. One was a very cute blonde in classy cocktail dress and a coat that covered her lovely big tits. As you can see it was in the Pinheiros area, see the slope of the street.

Unfortunately never heard from that bar again since 2016, because there were good reviews back then.

[HiddenEye]

Congrats to all those who spent a great time in Scandallo. Maybe that house needs a special thread on ISG already, together with a list of brazilian sex slang. I say house because brazilians call "casa" to boates and night clubs.

2013, when it was my first hit in Scandallo, I arrived around 8 pm during "Copa das Confederaçoes", here the pic of the banner right from Scandallos entrance (I guess there was someone asking about the soccer matches to be on Tvs of the house). I was doing the scounting in preparation of the 2014 World Cup tours. The manager himself, a fitness man in his early forties who looked like special forces soldier, showed me the entire house during a 10 minute walk. At that time, there were Chinese guys and few locals.

That night I picked a super hot GP, a 9 to my standards, who was building her house in Porto Alegre with her hard job in the house. So, there will be another post of the earnings of a Top GP in Brazil, a kind of model Brazilians call "beldade".

I've been to Scandallo maybe 4 to 6 more times since then, to get my sex therapy, in the Maracana of Sex.

[Tochka]

Random. Musing.

I did a return visit to Scandallo. This time I planned a budget ahead of time to live vigorously to take advantage of all the things scandals offer. Much better experience. I met again with the Meghan Markel type Garota from yesterday. She is a great definition of (IOP) illusion of Passion. Thanks to the poster for using that term. We had a fantastic time together. In Scandallo They don't carry the brand of whiskey I prefer to drink. I switch to vsop Hennessey. It was funny to see how a few garotas at first glance focused on the snifter glass with Hennesy drink. The masero made with great presentation pouring the drink. Which I didn't need nor cared about.

They shifted their gaze upward to see a Harvey Weinstein slob meets Jabba hut sipping down henny😜 kkkk. Thanks, Socrates for those examples.

I arrived early around 9. 30 pm on Friday. Yes as the other poster mentioned Thurs slightly more crowded.

I did a Threesome in a shower, three together soapy, slushing dirty fun while getting cleaned. I have not had a soapy shower threesome since Annies in Bangkok.

Surprisingly not an extensive whiskey list for a high-end joint. Switch to drinking Hennessy all night.

In the onsite room, no knock. I just paid more at the end for additional time. Legal.

YMMV at the apartment, my Garota was not a clock watcher. We had a fun time until we were done. Two or three hours did not matter to her. I paid the same one-hour price plus uber.

The next day we meet and introduce myself to her kid. She has been sharing family during our time together. We all went together to the nearby park. She dropped the kid at her mothers' place. Went to supermercado to shop for basic stuff needed for the apartment, water, fruits, and coffee. Went back to the apartment for an afternoon of more fun and dinner. IOP Illusion of passion is strong here. Damn. Thanks, Kib123 and Hobbying for the reference.

Felt more comfortable using the credit card toward the end of the trip.

Thanks a Fewdie for money, ATM, conversion info, and bank closure on weekend.

Wifi in Scandallo was solid.

The music band played oldies but goodies Americano songs. I sang out loud for the first time in years, knew them all. Scandallo knows their old man demographic. .

Duolingo Porto and street Spanish were enough to share long conversations, jokes, sexy stuff, and stupid stuff with garotas talking to uber drivers about the crazy traffic or slanging around with the barbershop fellas about who's next, debating music and chicas from Brazilian guy view, or chatting with a couple of the security dudes at Scandallo calling me família:-o.

Still figuring out internet porto slang, a less formal bunch of wassap text by garotas HJ, BJ, bjos, to.

During next the visit to Scandallo paid are $400 for a pretty Alicia Keys type I session earlier. Great vibes. I went for a repeat session. I asked if she could arrange a Duplo with one of her amigas in Scandallo. Sure enough Yes, bingo! Paid are $500 to her and $500 to amiga to do the duplo threesome I wanted. Damn bucket list getting checked off fast when Alicia keys and Meghan Markel sloppy sucking your nut and swallowing it all to great music.

Neither one asked for propina afterward or upsell. We all ate at the restaurant inside, with pricey good food.

Newbie observation. YMMV, the garotas and chicas I was with did not ask for propina after the session. It was a relief not to be asked all the time by everyone like Hong Kong in Tijuana.

I had a fun time in the garota's taxi. I did not remember the connection between the two or three spas. Thanks, guys for mentioning it earlier. They moved the garotas to other clinicas when we lost power for a few hours. I crowded in with four chicas traveling to a couple of different spas in Moema. Cool experience. I was drunk as hell. Sipping on my travel-size whiskey brand in the CLínicas. Still cannot find the brand by the shot glass.

[MiamiBoy1]

Yeah, one can get a girl for 500-700 R / HR or 1200-1500 R / overnight, the rates many of us would find reasonable, the question is. Will she be top quality? I mean, in the top 5-10% range? 8. 5-10/10? Creme of the creme? I doubt it, and the resent post about 3000 R girl proves it. Girls in high demand ask much higher rates and won't budge. 500-700 R is an entry level rate that would get you a cute girl next door type, but what's the point of chasing average or just above average looking girls at a high end venue like Scandallo and pay all these extra fees which nobody takes into account? Makes no sense to me. If one has a coin and is ready to splurge on a smoking hot 9, Scandallo is the place to be. Price sensitive mongers would be much better off sticking to clinicas.

[Fewdie]

If they see you're a gringo in Asia and buying street food. They will jack up the price 2 x.

I'm just letting you know you can get price X. Keep paying that 2 x price. Keep exchanging your money at the airport that gives you only 80% of the market value compared to doing it elsewhere. I'm moving on. Aint nobody here got time to do deep critical analysis on this basic crap. Going to go get myself a big mac. (If you order it through the app, its $1. 5 cheaper).

[The Cane]

The Cane, I agree with your view on beauty. But I don't completely agree with your analogies or I don't really understand it as intended, including the airline one. LOL. I am borrowing your car analogy to strike the point about Bearsi's response to my post.

Go back to what I called the original post. "Finding Value". People find and attach different values to the same things all the time, depending on all kind of factors, some of those unique and intrinsic to them alone as people. And sometimes through an experience, the value that they decide to assign to a particular good or service can change based on said experience (the point of me telling how my views on what I am willing to pay for air travel changed). Given this reality about life and living, the central point is that it makes zero sense to come in here and chide people about ever paying more than 500 reals for the services of a prostitute in Brazil. It's like saying never pay this much for a car, this much for a haircut, this much for a house, this much for a meal, this much for a plane ticket, and blah, blah, blah. Maybe 500 reals max is the amount that Mr. Fewdie wants to attach to the services of a prostitute, but as you can see from the many responses his post has generated, other people have other ideas and considerations about how to value a prostitute's services, just as happens with any other type of good or service.

Mr. Fewdie has his max expenditure on a tute (and a house and a car and a haircut and whatever else I assume). And I (and indeed all of us) have mine. And his coming here criticizing what guys pay won't be changing anything. It never does, and usually only results in discord. That's why I rarely ever talk specifically about what I paid, unless it's based off of posted house prices and / or a well-established "going rate" that most seasoned mongers who partake in a specific market know about. Otherwise, I think it's best to just not bring up price. A monger is going to pay what a monger wants to pay based on how he assigns value to that pussy. Look at a guy like Mr. Enternational. He will say things like "there is no going rate". Well sometimes that's just not true. It's just that he refuses to recognize what the going rate is LOL! But that's just him exercising his prerogative to assign value to the pussy how he sees it, which is a right that ultimately belongs to each and every one of us as participants in the P4P hobby.

[Nounce]

...The clinicas are you! Because you see, just like cars (Buicks, BMWs, and Bentleys), the value of all women is not the same for each and every one of them. You may not think it's worth it to pay that kind of money for that "expensive ride". But, plenty of other people do....

The Cane, I agree with your view on beauty. But I don't completely agree with your analogies or I don't really understand it as intended, including the airline one. LOL. I am borrowing your car analogy to strike the point about Bearsi's response to my post.

Do all girls working in Scandallo automatically become BMW? I think not.

Years ago I was in the freelancer spot Thermae in Bangkok. Almost all girls charged the same price. I asked a girl that didn't attract any interest which would she choose if Toyota and BWM were the same price?

I have decided that next time I visit Scandallo, I am going to get a BWM if I can find one. I absolutely do not plan to get a Corolla from that place. I am not going to eat a Big Mac in Scandallo.

[Bearsi]

To be fair in your comparison, the question is do you pay local price or gringo price? Or do you consider Scandallo similar to McDonald as that is the subject in OP's post

I am not saying OP is correct in regard to price but he was posting what local price is.

It varies of course!

Scandallo and other boates where you have to negotiate can range from 500-1000 1 HR.

You can easily get girls all around SP or Brazil for that matter at 500 or less.

I actually like the clinicas in the daytime since they can be had for 250 or so.

I've paid girls 500 in scandallo and online girls.

I've paid some 800.

I've paid some girls at 300.

I've done pernoites at 1000.

There really is no set price.

That's sort of the point With my point about the restaurants. You can go around 5 different ones and they'll each have varying prices from $ to $$$$

With OP stating that the non sucker price is 500 or less is again equating to McDonald's because it ain't the worst thing in the world, it's consistent and the value is usually the best wherever you go but it ain't going to knock your socks.

I just can't fathom the idea that I see a girl that looks like a porn star / model / actress that I would love to bang and turn her away because she wanted 700 instead of 500.

Like LOL no sorry I'm not paying gringo prices.

I only paid for my round trip ticket that took 9 hours plus my hotel room for X amount of days plus my food and Uber costs but I'm not paying an extra 200 reais more because otherwise local Brazilians and people online will think I'm a sucker.

I thought the whole point of coming to Brazil is to bang beautiful girls of our dreams that also provide the best service there is.

I understand locals not wanting to pay more than a certain amount.

They make less and know the hidden gems and can easily make do.

OP is not a local nor is he living in Brazil like vagabundo so shackling himself to local prices doesn't make sense.

Just to put it in perspective.

In Las Vegas there are brothels that charge clients $5000-10000 USD for a few hours in their themed rooms with a fetish girl all covered.

In SP you can easily find a nympho that will let you BBFSCIP in one of the many themes love motels and let you record it for like 1000-2000 brl all in which is like $200-400 USD.

You're already saving money by being in Brazil.

You're at the peak of value meets quality.

Live at little for goodness sake's.

To each their own but capping yourself at 500 is just bewildering when you have come all this way.

You don't have to pay a high amount but for all the new guys just be flexible.

It's your time, your money, your dick and your life to live and you only get one.