Sao Paulo Reports

[Balboa]

One of the things I didn't like about Scandallo was the lousy food. The consumable part of the cover charge was a dead loss for me except for a cup of coffee which I needed to synergise with the Viagra. On my last visit front desk asked me "you still have 200 reais credit, why don't you get something before leaving?". I mumbled some excuse about not being hungry. Scandallo food was much worse than what I could get at any shopping mall food court.

What about the music? I don't remember any special music. No samba, no afro-brazilian rhythm to be sure. This is not just a Scandallo problem though. Good old Brazilian music (and dancing!) is not longer popular with Brazilian youth. A pity.

Hmmm, I always enjoyed the meal there, and the music was ok for me as well, tho not the classic Brazillian as you said.

At least they don't play that Funk that drives me bats, LOL.

[The Cane]

Scandallo food was much worse than what I could get at any shopping mall food.

I don't know what you ordered, but I strongly beg to differ. I know I've had a decent steak and some good sushi there. In no way is the food there at the same quality as your run of the mill mall food court offerings. And if you think it is, then I would like to see what malls you've been going to! I've always had much better quality than that to eat at Scandallo.

[XXL]

... nice restaurant, etc. ...

One of the things I didn't like about Scandallo was the lousy food. The consumable part of the cover charge was a dead loss for me except for a cup of coffee which I needed to synergise with the Viagra. On my last visit front desk asked me "you still have 200 reais credit, why don't you get something before leaving?". I mumbled some excuse about not being hungry. Scandallo food was much worse than what I could get at any shopping mall food court.

What about the music? I don't remember any special music. No samba, no afro-brazilian rhythm to be sure. This is not just a Scandallo problem though. Good old Brazilian music (and dancing!) is not longer popular with Brazilian youth. A pity.

[Balboa]

First you can answer the question yourself. Did you find it at Scandallo when you were there? If so, did you take her out?

This is my answer, I didn't find BMW at all during multiple visits with the presence of other ISGers. I think we all came to similar conclusion so I know it's not just me during that period. One time I stayed to make sure I checked everywhere and everyone until it is near the closing time to pick the best I can find which is a Honda Accord. She asked for 500 BRL which is a fair price for an Accord. LOL.


For me, the value of Scandallo stood out after I have visited all the boates that were open at that period of time. Relatively speaking, it has the best value but pick wisely

I definitely understand the allure of Scandallo. The ambiance, nice restaurant, etc. I get it.

You're paying for the fluff, and that's great. I go there once every couple of months.

I'm, however, more of a Casarao guy.

Lots of Ford Pintos there, LOL, however, I almost always find a BMW to my liking. Patience is the key there.

We all have our tastes, and it's all fun. One's individual happiness is what matters, whether it be in fancy Scandallo or a dive in Republica.

There are diamonds to be found at all venues.

As far as pricing goes, whether it be in Scandallo or Casarao, I personally, in conversation, tell the girl what I’m willing to pay.
Just like buying a car, I’m always willing to walk away.
Always friendly and nice, saying I understand she may be able to get more, she’s worth it, I wish her the best, etc, etc, lol.
Normally my price is accepted. I don’t extreme low ball, I just offer what I believe is fair.

I don’t get analytical about it. I don’t graph charts of what was paid in 2005 vs 2022, lol. I just offer what I’m willing to pay

Now for one, I’m in Brazil and Colombia quite frequently, actually tomorrow I’ll be in Chile (finally broke the code there, lol), and secondly, I speak pretty good portuguese, and I’m just naturally a friendly, easy to chat with type.

It’s different for a guy who travels infrequently all the way to Brazil.
I’m sure I’d be willing to up my price as well if that were the case.
I don’t blame anyone for that. It makes sense if you’re stuck frequently in Pussy Prison to not pass something up.

What another guy pays is his business. I don’t care.
We all put a value on what’s in front of us, and go from there.

[Hobbying]

You guys know almost all the girls have a side piece BF (ficando) and if you see some them you wonder wtf she is so hot and he's not. Most of time these guys don't have money and the girls are with them not for money since they make enough but because the way they make them feel.

Not speaking porto is a buzz kill if you can't communicate. 3 sentences later asking how much and you get a high quote you can't wonder oh I'm being robbed. If you tend to always get bloated prices, CBJ, non GFE maybe you should change your approach or the place you visit.

Like I said, if you want a GFE you have to treat them like a GF.

[Hobbying]

Yeah, one can get a girl for 500-700 R / HR or 1200-1500 R / overnight, the rates many of us would find reasonable, the question is. Will she be top quality? I mean, in the top 5-10% range? 8. 5-10/10? Creme of the creme? I doubt it, and the resent post about 3000 R girl proves it. Girls in high demand ask much higher rates and won't budge. 500-700 R is an entry level rate that would get you a cute girl next door type, but what's the point of chasing average or just above average looking girls at a high end venue like Scandallo and pay all these extra fees which nobody takes into account? Makes no sense to me. If one has a coin and is ready to splurge on a smoking hot 9, Scandallo is the place to be. Price sensitive mongers would be much better off sticking to clinicas.

For the 5-10% range I paid 700 for 1 HR and 1500 for overnight the max I will pay and I tell them that and 95% accept. But I sometimes offer other small gifts which sweetings and closes the deal. I always go to Brasil bearing gifts LOL. Just think of stuff that is super expensive in Brazil or that they can't buy there.

[Nounce]

...what's the point of chasing average or just above average looking girls at a high end venue like Scandallo and pay all these extra fees which nobody takes into account?...

First you can answer the question yourself. Did you find it at Scandallo when you were there? If so, did you take her out?

This is my answer, I didn't find BMW at all during multiple visits with the presence of other ISGers. I think we all came to similar conclusion so I know it's not just me during that period. One time I stayed to make sure I checked everywhere and everyone until it is near the closing time to pick the best I can find which is a Honda Accord. She asked for 500 BRL which is a fair price for an Accord. LOL.


For me, the value of Scandallo stood out after I have visited all the boates that were open at that period of time. Relatively speaking, it has the best value but pick wisely

[Axel Heyst]

The situation from 2019-2021 was: in-house: 500 BRL takeout: 1000 BRL.

However from mid / end 2021 suddenly there was a huge price increase (same time when entry was raised from 300 to 400 BRL) to in-house: 700-1000 BRL takeout 1200-1500 BRL with the Top10 girls on any night even trying in-house 1000-1500 BRK takeout: 2-3 k BRL.

This has nothing to do with gringo pricing as mostly brazilians are paying those prices. In my opinion the quality now is worse than before pandemic, demand for the few top girls therefore higher, while there are always enough customers willing to spend 2-3 k to take them out.

Offering them 400-500 for in-house, they would just laugh and walk away. People who always talk about gringo prices have no idea how SP boates work.

This has been my similar experience in Scandallo in October / November 2021.500 to 600 br in-house for any girl. Then I saw a big price increase on my April / May 2022 trip: 700 to 800 br for tier 2 girls & 1000 to 1500 br for tier 1 girls all in-house. But the girls that I met in 2021 still settled for 500 br in-house in 2022. Their prices to me remained fied, however, KKK, my smart 2021 repeat girls convinced me of the advantages of taking them out of Scandallo for extended playtime. They were still 500 for in-house for me, but 900 br for a relaxed 3 to 4 hour ST at my hotel. And they came directly to my hotel cutting Scandallo out of our new arrangement. I liked this new arrangement with my favorite 2021 gals. The upsell was definitely worth it to me.

During the same time period prices also went up at Bomboa although not as much. In Oct / Nov 2021 all my Bomboa girls settled for 500 br. In April / May 2022 the price had risen to 600 to 700 br.

In April I met a very attractive blond in Bomboa. I gave her 700 br on our 1st in-house session. She is a looker and occasionally advertises on Club Model. After our first time together we both preferred to see each other at my hotel for extended 3 to 4 hour ST at the same price, 700 br. Cutting Bomboa out of our arrangement. I probably broke even on the total cost of our arrangement at my hotel after I add in the cost of a bottle of quality red wine and room service. Ha Ha. On our 5th and final night together, I agreed to having a bisexual lesbian 3 way with her and her sexy girlfriend. I gave 700 br to both girls + we drank a bottle and a half of quality red wine and had a room service dinner for 3. It was a great night. The girls really went at it.

But whatever the cost, I enjoy the benefits of having a girl you like for modified ST in my hotel room. It is a big plus to me.

[Nounce]

Would be great ....

Barsi posted an analogy saying going to Italy to eat at McDonald. I said that is not what FewDie said. Because of that it is not a fair comparison. If I were going to make the same analogy, I would say going to DOM and wanting to pay McDonald price is a better analogy. Do you agree or not agree? Basically, I questioned what was written, I don't question the writers.

... if Nounce could let us know how many times he visited Scandallo and more important when was his last time visiting. ....

So do you think my above observation will require my presence to be valid?

[SocratesNY]

Would be great if Nounce could let us know how many times he visited Scandallo and more important when was his last time visiting.

Just to be clear, even though I was quoting Nounce, the OP I and others are referencing is Fewdie. I have much respect for Nounce's insight and logical questions / discussion here.

It is Fewdie, who many of us disagree with. His claim that local prices are currently so low and that anything more is overpaying gringo pricing is simply preposterous and ignorant.

I have been there maybe 100 times in the past 2 years, do speak portuguese, here my observation:

The situation from 2019-2021 was: in-house: 500 BRL takeout: 1000 BRL.

However from mid / end 2021 suddenly there was a huge price increase (same time when entry was raised from 300 to 400 BRL) to in-house: 700-1000 BRL takeout 1200-1500 BRL with the Top10 girls on any night even trying in-house 1000-1500 BRK takeout: 2-3 k BRL.

This has nothing to do with gringo pricing as mostly brazilians are paying those prices. In my opinion the quality now is worse than before pandemic, demand for the few top girls therefore higher, while there are always enough customers willing to spend 2-3 k to take them out.

Offering them 400-500 for in-house, they would just laugh and walk away.

Excellent insight and data points.

I've noticed an increase as well from early 2021 to late 2021 and another increase now in mid 2022 with global inflation rampant.

People who always talk about gringo prices have no idea how SP boates work.

People who think tourists / gringos set the market in Scandallo are misinformed to the point of being delusional. 95+% of the clients at Scandallo are affluent local Brazilians.

[SocratesNY]

Yeah, one can get a girl for 500-700 R / HR or 1200-1500 R / overnight, the rates many of us would find reasonable, the question is. Will she be top quality? I mean, in the top 5-10% range? 8. 5-10/10? Creme of the creme? I doubt it, and the resent post about 3000 R girl proves it. Girls in high demand ask much higher rates and won't budge. 500-700 R is an entry level rate that would get you a cute girl next door type, but what's the point of chasing average or just above average looking girls at a high end venue like Scandallo and pay all these extra fees which nobody takes into account? Makes no sense to me. If one has a coin and is ready to splurge on a smoking hot 9, Scandallo is the place to be.

My experience is that the "entry rate" I've paid (R600-800 for 1 HR and R1000 to R1500) is not a starting rate, but what 95+% of the girls that works there consider to be fair / acceptable to them. Of course there are a few exceptions to the rule. As with everything in life.

I usually do not go with any girl that is less than an 8. 5 for my taste, so maybe the girls that I don't find attractive would take less and also perform poorly or just "ok". And they are the starting point.

For my price range, almost all the girls I've taken are 8. 5 to 9. 5's in my book and performed as well as they look back in my hotel.

I do my due diligence in the interview phase to gauge how their personality is and what they might be like in the room. I usually get a good read on the girl when I chat them up and only go with girls I have good chemistry with. I've turned down many hot girls when I didn't "feel it" when we chat.

However, I've also learned that one man's trash is another man's treasure so I would say it isn't fair to say it's pointless to chase GNDs in a classy place like Scandallo. For all I know, I've been taking all the girls that most guy consider ugly, and saving everyone the trouble of having to see / interact them!

You also make a very valid point about other fees that guys should not overlook. Admission, high drink / food costs, room / exit fees, etc. It isn't just the girls compensation that matters.

Price sensitive mongers would be much better off sticking to clinicas.

Couldn't agree more. Except add the lower cost boates in there! I visit clinicas too, as there are lots of good looking, great performers to be had in clinicas.

[Safado007]

What I disagree with the OP's post is that I don't think R400-500 is the normal price locals pay in Scandallo for 1 HR, at least for the good looking girls who works at night, especially during the busy weekdays.

I also take issue with OP's all-knowing, passive-aggressive and often times insulting tone and words of his posts. Sounds like a troll to me and I've learned to stop feeding him and put him on ignore already.

I've spoken to many local clients, usually at night, and they tell me it's more. Even the local forums have countless posts of locals paying around R400 to 500 at the lower end boates like Casarao.

I am sure under the right circumstance, a girl at Scandallo can be had for that low price range, but just don't expect that to happen with the hot girls during peak times.

I would say the low to high range most locals have paid at Scandallo for 1 HR can vary between 500 to 1500, but there all depends on all the other variables (hotness of the girl, how experienced the girl is, day and time, how you look and carry yourself, etc.).

If you want to close the deal with most of the hot girls when it's busy, R500 won't cut it 99% of the time.

A more realistic expectation for new visitors is in the R600 to 800 range.

Unless you look like LEO the actor or Justin (either of the singers) and is smooth as Danny Oceans.

Would be great if Nounce could let us know how many times he visited Scandallo and more important when was his last time visiting. I have been there maybe 100 times in the past 2 years, do speak portuguese, here my observation:

The situation from 2019-2021 was: in-house: 500 BRL takeout: 1000 BRL.

However from mid / end 2021 suddenly there was a huge price increase (same time when entry was raised from 300 to 400 BRL) to in-house: 700-1000 BRL takeout 1200-1500 BRL with the Top10 girls on any night even trying in-house 1000-1500 BRK takeout: 2-3 k BRL.

This has nothing to do with gringo pricing as mostly brazilians are paying those prices. In my opinion the quality now is worse than before pandemic, demand for the few top girls therefore higher, while there are always enough customers willing to spend 2-3 k to take them out.

Offering them 400-500 for in-house, they would just laugh and walk away. People who always talk about gringo prices have no idea how SP boates work.

[SocratesNY]

To be fair in your comparison, the question is do you pay local price or gringo price? Or do you consider Scandallo similar to McDonald as that is the subject in OP's post

I am not saying OP is correct in regard to price but he was posting what local price is.

What I disagree with the OP's post is that I don't think R400-500 is the normal price locals pay in Scandallo for 1 HR, at least for the good looking girls who works at night, especially during the busy weekdays.

I also take issue with OP's all-knowing, passive-aggressive and often times insulting tone and words of his posts. Sounds like a troll to me and I've learned to stop feeding him and put him on ignore already.

I've spoken to many local clients, usually at night, and they tell me it's more. Even the local forums have countless posts of locals paying around R400 to 500 at the lower end boates like Casarao.

I am sure under the right circumstance, a girl at Scandallo can be had for that low price range, but just don't expect that to happen with the hot girls during peak times.

I would say the low to high range most locals have paid at Scandallo for 1 HR can vary between 500 to 1500, but there all depends on all the other variables (hotness of the girl, how experienced the girl is, day and time, how you look and carry yourself, etc.).

If you want to close the deal with most of the hot girls when it's busy, R500 won't cut it 99% of the time.

A more realistic expectation for new visitors is in the R600 to 800 range.

Unless you look like LEO the actor or Justin (either of the singers) and is smooth as Danny Oceans.

[SocratesNY]

Cool report / observations.

In Scandallo They don't carry the brand of whiskey I prefer to drink. I switch to vsop Hennessey. It was funny to see how a few garotas at first glance focused on the snifter glass with Hennesy drink. The masero made with great presentation pouring the drink. Which I didn't need nor cared about.

They shifted their gaze upward to see a Harvey Weinstein slob meets Jabba hut sipping down henny😜 kkkk. Thanks, Socrates for those examples.

...

Surprisingly not an extensive whiskey list for a high-end joint. Switch to drinking Hennessy all night.

Seems most of the locals drink JW Blue for blended and Macallan for single malt, so that is the top shelf stuff they carry. They also carry a Macallan 25 or 30 yr rare cask there too, as I was drinking that with some cool Chileans from Santiago back in October.

I wish they had some Yamazaki 18 or 25, but that is hard to get anywhere. Even in Japan.

Glad your trip is going / went well!

[Axel Heyst]

Aint nobody here got time to do deep critical analysis on this basic crap. Going to go get myself a big mac. (If you order it through the app, its $1. 5 cheaper).

That is fine with me. The more choices the better. I don't necessarily want a stunner at Scandallo every night. Some nights I might meet a sexy girl next door type at Scandallo and she is all I need or want. Some nights I might go crosstown to Bomboa or I might want to have some late-night cheap stuff at Casarao. And then there are days I when I wake up and want a clinica girl or two in the afternoon. It all depends. I like to mix things up that's all.

So, anyone who wants it can buy a Big Mac and fries happy meal in SP for a few BR. It is cheap and the customer knows what he is getting, and the burger is not bad once in a while, although I prefer the cheddar burger. Ha ha.

But, for a few more BR you can get a better burger, IMHO, at a local sit-down restaurant and wash it down with a beer. I think it is a better food, so I tend to eat at these kinds of restaurants a lot more than I do at McDonalds which is rare because when I am in a foreign country I like to eat local. Which reminds me I never eat just burgers or steaks in Brazil, There are all kinds of restaurants serving all kinds of cuisines at various price points.

But getting back to the meat metaphor, for double the money you can go a tier 1 steak house like Rodeio or Pobre Juans where an even better burger and fries will run you a whopping 220 BR. Wow! Scandallo prices. KKK. Actually, I prefer to order steaks at places like Rodeio. It's kind of like the BM who said he would rather pay up and go for the tier 1 stunners in Scandallo than do sexy tier 2 girl next door types. I say, up to you. SP is that kind of town.

All I am trying to say is that there is a boate for nearly everyone's tastes and budget. Be happy and follow your bliss.