Vientiane

[TonyIndian]

Is the Vietnamese massage place still going near the Vientiane Plaza Hotel?

[SteelBaton]

Thanks for a great report. I've mongered only once in Lao and my experience was similar, although that was 20 years ago, seems not much has changed. Curious why some SEA countries develop such good p4 p ecosystems and others have very little despite similar poverty, education and religions. Lao vs Thailand is a good example, but also Indonesia vs Bangladesh.

I've been to Vientiane once before, on a weekend run a few years ago. With the Chinese tied up in lockdowns and the Kip slipping in value I thought ID give it another go for a few days. I may ramble. Sorry in advance.

The short version: Vientiane has almost zero p4 p geared towards english speaking foreigners. It is nothing like Thailand, Philippines, or even Phnom Penh or Jakarta. The p4 p scene is lowkey and if you don't speak Lao, Thai or perhaps Chinese you just arnt going to get much access.

The best looking girls, from what I can make out, are either working in KTVs in chinese owned or orientated Hotels. I didn't try to visit, it might be possible. I chatted to one girl who worked at one of these via a dating site, although when we were due to meet she ditched. She did say she got 500 k for going with a customer for the night. Whether that's a a tip or a cut IDK.

There are free lancers who work out of bars and restaurants. Again, you really need to speak Lao or Thai. Thats the clientele they are catering to. Some good looking, lighter skinned girls in this sector. No luck for me here either, just a chance to observe.

Massage. Here results picked up a bit. I was actually in the mood for a proper massage so I didn't have any high expectations. I had hired a moto and was just exploring, so I picked an externally fairly legit looking massage place a way out sittong road, a little way past the 'character cafe' (which is quite a nice cafe too). On entering and surveying the staff I got a hint there was more on offer. A cute young lady with a cheeky grin took me upstairs, washed my feet and invited me to disrobe in a room with 3 mattresses on the floor with curtains between. Fan and quiet relaxing music. Seemed fairly legit to I put the massage pants on and laid down.

Girl comes in and starts, and within a couple minutes decided I needed to loose the pants as they got in the way. Over the next 10 minutes or so things developed steadily as massage began to resemble something more like foreplay. We were the only ones in that room. I unbuttoned her denim shorts and checked inside, while she smiled at me. Eventually we agreed on extending the hour massage to 2 hours and full service for 600 k to her, she wouldn't go any lower. About 1200 baht. She was 19, cheeky and cute with nice smooth skin and good proportions. We had a good time, she enjoyed it too, after initially complaining about the size of my tool of trade. Massage cost at the desk downstairs was 100 k per hour, so 200 k total. Waved the girl good bye, and made a note to return again. It was a chance encounter but it worked out very well. I must add there were zero english words spoken by anyone there, sign language and google translate was used to communicate while upstairs. And this brings us to the next difficulty. Google translate just doesn't do Lao well. Its great for every other language I've tried, but Lao.

It seems to miss a lot of nuance, struggle to understand verbal input, and not even register the meanings of many words used. On top of that some references went right over my head.

There are also some chicken shack / brothels in places, as found by reading back through previous forum posts. I found some (after dark they become somewhat obvious with the pink lighting). They are hit and miss, mostly miss. In the interests of science I explored again, zero english, white foreigners (moreso their money) accepted. Service level expectations to be kept low, facilities dirty and very poor. I met a 27 yo vietnamese girl at one who was fairly enthusiastic, or maybe just excited to have a customer. And least she gave a BJ. She wante the to chat afterwards.

Next night a 22 ish Lao girl who, while fairly good looking, undressed and assumed a missionary position which she wouldn't budge from. And that was her entire contribution to proceedings. In both cases 200 k was the rate. Which sounds cheap, until you add in the cost of getting there. So I got more ambitious. In the middle of it all is a ST hotel, or 150000 kip for all night. For 500 k I got a takeaway Lao, and retired to my very modest room which boasted clean towels but not a lot more. A lot of noise filtered through from the street, but this Lao girl is 20, friendly but a little shy, and fun to be with. I'm getting into this. Then, about 90 minutes in I hear the sound of heavy footsteps on the stairs. Voices and then what sounds like radio chatter or walkie talkies. Police? Shakedown? Setup?? I hardly dared breath. What sounds like radio comms from outside my door. Eventually footsteps went away, and about half an hour later I bailed too, dropped my short term Lao GF back to her place of work and retired for the night. Decided that was enough adrenaline and ID stick to sneaky massages and plan to head back to Thailand and more familiar territory.

Other things to note: The Lao girls (including the online contact) refused oral and seemed disgusted by the concept. Cover was expected and given reports of disease circulating in other reports in this forum I sided with caution.

Interestingly I met a gentleman in my travels who said he had seen a lot of Lao girls, likely FL, in Nong Khai.

Overall: Lao is a lovely laid back place to relax for a few days, but in terms of P4 P you're far better off in Thailand for choice, accessibility, langage, food and even value for money when you take the travel / visa costs into account. And with the Lao girls looking for money youll probably find the best ones in Thailand soon enough anyway.

In another comparison, I think Indonesia Laos for lower cost p4 p, and I felt a lot more secure there too.

[Nuttin Serious]

I've been to Vientiane once before, on a weekend run a few years ago. With the Chinese tied up in lockdowns and the Kip slipping in value I thought ID give it another go for a few days. I may ramble. Sorry in advance.

The short version: Vientiane has almost zero p4 p geared towards english speaking foreigners. It is nothing like Thailand, Philippines, or even Phnom Penh or Jakarta. The p4 p scene is lowkey and if you don't speak Lao, Thai or perhaps Chinese you just arnt going to get much access.

The best looking girls, from what I can make out, are either working in KTVs in chinese owned or orientated Hotels. I didn't try to visit, it might be possible. I chatted to one girl who worked at one of these via a dating site, although when we were due to meet she ditched. She did say she got 500 k for going with a customer for the night. Whether that's a a tip or a cut IDK.

There are free lancers who work out of bars and restaurants. Again, you really need to speak Lao or Thai. Thats the clientele they are catering to. Some good looking, lighter skinned girls in this sector. No luck for me here either, just a chance to observe.

Massage. Here results picked up a bit. I was actually in the mood for a proper massage so I didn't have any high expectations. I had hired a moto and was just exploring, so I picked an externally fairly legit looking massage place a way out sittong road, a little way past the 'character cafe' (which is quite a nice cafe too). On entering and surveying the staff I got a hint there was more on offer. A cute young lady with a cheeky grin took me upstairs, washed my feet and invited me to disrobe in a room with 3 mattresses on the floor with curtains between. Fan and quiet relaxing music. Seemed fairly legit to I put the massage pants on and laid down.

Girl comes in and starts, and within a couple minutes decided I needed to loose the pants as they got in the way. Over the next 10 minutes or so things developed steadily as massage began to resemble something more like foreplay. We were the only ones in that room. I unbuttoned her denim shorts and checked inside, while she smiled at me. Eventually we agreed on extending the hour massage to 2 hours and full service for 600 k to her, she wouldn't go any lower. About 1200 baht. She was 19, cheeky and cute with nice smooth skin and good proportions. We had a good time, she enjoyed it too, after initially complaining about the size of my tool of trade. Massage cost at the desk downstairs was 100 k per hour, so 200 k total. Waved the girl good bye, and made a note to return again. It was a chance encounter but it worked out very well. I must add there were zero english words spoken by anyone there, sign language and google translate was used to communicate while upstairs. And this brings us to the next difficulty. Google translate just doesn't do Lao well. Its great for every other language I've tried, but Lao.

It seems to miss a lot of nuance, struggle to understand verbal input, and not even register the meanings of many words used. On top of that some references went right over my head.

There are also some chicken shack / brothels in places, as found by reading back through previous forum posts. I found some (after dark they become somewhat obvious with the pink lighting). They are hit and miss, mostly miss. In the interests of science I explored again, zero english, white foreigners (moreso their money) accepted. Service level expectations to be kept low, facilities dirty and very poor. I met a 27 yo vietnamese girl at one who was fairly enthusiastic, or maybe just excited to have a customer. And least she gave a BJ. She wante the to chat afterwards.

Next night a 22 ish Lao girl who, while fairly good looking, undressed and assumed a missionary position which she wouldn't budge from. And that was her entire contribution to proceedings. In both cases 200 k was the rate. Which sounds cheap, until you add in the cost of getting there. So I got more ambitious. In the middle of it all is a ST hotel, or 150000 kip for all night. For 500 k I got a takeaway Lao, and retired to my very modest room which boasted clean towels but not a lot more. A lot of noise filtered through from the street, but this Lao girl is 20, friendly but a little shy, and fun to be with. I'm getting into this. Then, about 90 minutes in I hear the sound of heavy footsteps on the stairs. Voices and then what sounds like radio chatter or walkie talkies. Police? Shakedown? Setup?? I hardly dared breath. What sounds like radio comms from outside my door. Eventually footsteps went away, and about half an hour later I bailed too, dropped my short term Lao GF back to her place of work and retired for the night. Decided that was enough adrenaline and ID stick to sneaky massages and plan to head back to Thailand and more familiar territory.

Other things to note: The Lao girls (including the online contact) refused oral and seemed disgusted by the concept. Cover was expected and given reports of disease circulating in other reports in this forum I sided with caution.

Interestingly I met a gentleman in my travels who said he had seen a lot of Lao girls, likely FL, in Nong Khai.

Overall: Lao is a lovely laid back place to relax for a few days, but in terms of P4 P you're far better off in Thailand for choice, accessibility, langage, food and even value for money when you take the travel / visa costs into account. And with the Lao girls looking for money youll probably find the best ones in Thailand soon enough anyway.

In another comparison, I think Indonesia Laos for lower cost p4 p, and I felt a lot more secure there too.

[Rammer11]

Hi Folks, been here 2 weeks primarily for work but this place is bone dry. Seems there are a lot of fish but am not casting in the correct pond. Your pointers are much requested and much awaited. Many thanks in advance.

Cheers.

Are.

P.S. Staying at the CPlaza hotel.

[VagigiLover]

Vientiane is on my mind. I was there in 2010 and stayed at Salana. Rented a scooter and as I was riding around noticed many massage places along the side streets. Popped in and wow some stunners. Got hooked on a petite spinner with a nice face and hard body. She massaged me and cock until happy. I think I saw her four times and she liked my cock, so she said. So, on my last day in Vientiane, she came over to my hotel with her massage kit. As she was walking in front of me, noticed the condom in her back pocket. Haha I knew that was a non-fitter. Had my own. And of course I use a cockring, so it was rock hard on all encounters.

Struggled to get into her, but what a great gal with a lovely body and her pussy was beautiful! Enjoyed every pump. Eventually during position change ditched the rubber and hit it bareback. It was awesome! When I was ready, she was eager to taste no mess. And she got it!

Loved the trip. Off to Macua for some spa action in March, then a shot for a few days to see if I can repeat in Vientiane.

[Crocodilexp]

Not there in person to check, but according to the girls I'm chatting with online. Yes. Plenty Chinese.

Observation from the ground: not many Chinese at all compared to 2019. They can enter Laos easily, but going back to PRC is a massive hassle.

[Nuttin Serious]

Just to understand: China is closed to foreigners, but yet Chinese are allowed in to infest Laos? Would that be the situation?

Not there in person to check, but according to the girls I'm chatting with online. Yes. Plenty Chinese.

[Golfinho]

One place I checked out the girl shook her head and said "only Chinese". So there are a few foreigners, maybe a lot of Chinese, around there.

Just to understand: China is closed to foreigners, but yet Chinese are allowed in to infest Laos? Would that be the situation?

[Crocodilexp]

One place I checked out the girl shook her head and said "only Chinese".

Maybe in the past, but given that China is closed, and not opening anytime soon, right now they would starve with that approach.

[Nuttin Serious]

Yes, it was this year, after the opening, and the numbers were higher than before Covid.

Not the least bit surprised there was a police crackdown sometime in the middle, those places are ideal for transmitting and the whole world was in grip of Covid measures.

What interests me, specifically, is police risk for a customer, particularly an obvious foreigner. Seems really difficult to gauge.

Indeed. A few anecdotes aren't necessarily an accurate picture either. There was comment pages back where someone found themselves in the middle of a major police presence but wasn't stopped from riding away. A comment was that the police were more likely there to check for weapons. One place I checked out the girl shook her head and said "only Chinese". Another place (the only one where I partook as I met a fairly chatty willing provider) my drinking companion pointed to another customer sitting with a girl in a gloomy spot and said distastely "he american". So there are a few foreigners, maybe a lot of Chinese, around there. I think there's a warmer welcome in the country next door thou.

[Crocodilexp]

Looks like the Police gave them a rev last year, so curious to know if your reported sightings are since that date?

Yes, it was this year, after the opening, and the numbers were higher than before Covid.

Not the least bit surprised there was a police crackdown sometime in the middle, those places are ideal for transmitting and the whole world was in grip of Covid measures.

What interests me, specifically, is police risk for a customer, particularly an obvious foreigner. Seems really difficult to gauge.

[Nuttin Serious]

I've walked past several low-end Lao brothel shacks mentioned before on this forum, mostly along Sithong road. Looks like facilities are terrible, but they're cheap and seem well .

https://laotiantimes.com/2021/03/16/...tiane-capital/

Looks like the Police gave them a rev last year, so curious to know if your reported sightings are since that date?

Of course it could have been a publicity stunt by the police, a message to keep up the flow of tea money or many other reasons for a show of force.

I did partake there a few years back. It was hit and miss, mostly miss. Not many of the girls wanted to go with a foreigner and it seemed they were not pressured to do so.

[Crocodilexp]

I've walked past several low-end Lao brothel shacks mentioned before on this forum, mostly along Sithong road. Looks like facilities are terrible, but they're cheap and seem well stocked.

I read online that Lao law forbids sex between foreigners and Lao citizens (if not married), and that penalties are high. In addition, those brothels could potentially have other legal issues like trafficking, and obviously, prostitution itself.

Hypothetically, what is the risk for a foreigner of partaking in such places in terms of police? Some of those places have been around for 10+ years and aren't exactly hard to find (right on the main road). It's obvious that the cops know about it and decide to let it go on, and that it poses no risk for a local. However, a foreigner does stick out, and I wonder if it's risky for us.

Are there any relevant news or hearsay about foreigners being arrested for mongering in Laos in recent times? If one gets in trouble, would it be easy to bribe your way out, or is there a strong likelihood of jail, court and all? I was tempted, but didn't partake due to paranoia, I wonder if it was justified.

[Haunt67]

It was some time in 2016. I had arrived not long in Vientaine by myself. So decided to take a stroll by the river side. As I was approaching the area around the fountain I was trying to take not of the massage spas along there when out of the shadows this lady approached me. She said her name was Eth a 35 year old MILF and we had a few minutes of chit chat asking me where I was just a tourist or working in town. So she indicated that she gives massage and asked if would I like one. I said sure and she asked where I live. Since I was just new in town, I was not sure of exactly where that was. She suggested she follow me to show her where I was living. Said sure. So the plan was for me to take her and show her where I lived and then come back and drop her near the fountain. We proceeded together. Right as we were heading to my car I saw a fellow foreigner give me a knowing look / smile. What did I care. I was horny and lonely. For all you know he had already interacted with here or knew what time it was. During drive home she asked me if I already had a "darling" replied no and would she like to be my darling. Said she was divorced and taking care of mother and daughter.

Got to my place, invited her in and gave a drink of water. She whipped out a massage oil and asked if I wanted to get the massage. Of course! She suggested we take a shower together. Wow! Who am I to refuse. Took a shower together where she cleaned me really well with soap and dried me with a towel. Body was typical small breasts, petite but firm body. Then proceeded to the massage. Nothing to write home about but sensual enough with playful touches back and fort. I pulled her close and went to work. She was a bit reserved and shy so wouldn't do any other position but mish. Bummer. Was good none the less. Once done I dropped her back at the fountain and we exchanged numbers and I gave her 100,000 kip. She told me she would continue coming to visit until my wife came to join me. We saw each other about once a week over the course of a year. Kept her as my back anytime I was not able to score anyone else. Sometimes she came and left without any donation but I made sure to double it the next time I saw her.

After a long time of not hearing from her (I was traveling a lot then and then my family came), I got a call from her asking where I was. She was in front of my home. My family had just arrived and was at home then. Explained that family was back and that I would call her later. But she replied 'no don't call me again' and I never heard from her again. Didn't try contacting either since I was busy with family joining me.

[Sam Sanuk]

Is there a good site that lists girl friendly hotels?

I don't know if these are good sites. I just googled Veniene guest friendly hotels and came up with these. There's another one that Rockit posted, but the info is quite dated by at least 7 years. I suspect that if the same hotels are mentioned on each site, the info is "good". If in doubt, I would just email the hotel directly and directly ask if I can bring my Lao girlfriend to my room to stay all night. That approach has always resulted in getting the info I wanted.

https://theredlightguide.com/popular...-in-vientiane/

https://issuu.com/vietnamfasttours/d...5_guest_friend

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