Pattaya Reports

[CaliGuy33]

Absolutely not. I'm still on ground two months in an I'll tell you that the other members are correct in saying that the pricing has matched and even surpassed the equivalent quality of girl that can be had in Colombia, Peurto Rico, Dominican Rep, Mexico, or Brazil which all offer MUCH shorter flights, cheaper flights, and friendlier time zone shift for digital nomads to work remotely.

Nobody from the usa will want to continue to fly 22-34 expensive hours just to shift 11 hours time zone for mediocre pussy at above average prices. The only thing keeping Thailand as good value is that it is unrivaled for quality cheaper accommodation, fast cheap internet, and good cheap food compared to europe, africa, and latin america. This is advantageous for the 3 month stay tourist, but the 2 week millionaire gets way more bang for the buck closer to home.

Depending on what city in the USA, the cost analysis for time, travel, and accommodation even lends to the falling price of pussy in the USA. You can have your top level favorite IG model, mid level porn star, or music video stripper at home in Miami, Atlanta, vegas, or Houston for the equivalent time and cost of coming all the way to pattaya. Hell, if you only have a week its much cheaper faster and higher quality to head to Dubai and make rounds or hit Germany and make rounds of FKK and red lights with much more high quality opportunities..

I'm also American and have been in Thailand almost 3 months and thoroughly been enjoying the exchange rate.

I haven't mongered in the US since pre-covid as prices became outrageous. So I decided to take a look at current 1 hour ST prices back home in the US.

I put the average 1 hour price at $400. Conversely, average price in Pattaya for one hour is about 1,500 baht which is about $40.

Thus, it is approximately 10 times cheaper for an ST session here in Thailand than in the US. This doesn't even take into account.

That sessions are much higher quality with Thai girls than American girls given western women's entitlement. Additionally,

You have complete safety when you session here in Thailand by bringing a girl to your room whereas in the US you have to worry about.

A potential sting or ambush at wherever the girl is hosting as you certainly aren't hosting at your own private residence.

So yea Thailand is still extreme value compared to the US and most of the world. I still don't think ST in Thailand should be on avg.

Around 1,500 baht, should be 1,000; but overall hard to complain.

[CaliGuy33]

"Soi 6 hasn't changed at all in my view from several years ago."

Come on. Anybody that is in Pattaya can tell you 25% of the Soi 6 bars are closed. Dolls Agogo is missing on Soi 6. And there are way much less acceptable girls on Soi 6 than before. And before, it wasn't that great anyways.

"High Rollers. It is slightly more expensive (drinks) than the other clubs but it was fabulous. You enter to gold pillars and surroundings all very over the top but the quality of the girls in this place was, for me, better than in any of its rivals and moreover, better than most of the agogos on Walking Street. Two great pool tables one downstairs the other upstairs, staff are mega friendly (though that was true everywhere). Some of the girls in HRs are 9's and 10/10's. From stunningly beautiful with a knockout body."

You know they do have a Facebook page, right? I've looked at it and my eyes hurt now.

"Actually did not consider (as has been reported) that Pin Up had the best talent. For me, one girl in Palace stood out and I BFd her. But as others have reported, I didn't like that a lot of people walk along WS with phones lifted up videoing all that was going on. I restricted myself to two visits mainly because I much preferred LK Metro and Tree Town or Buakhao / Pothole and even Lenkee.".

Thanks for cleaning this up, 9's and 10's basically don't exist and if you actually see one, you never forget her face. So yes, guys throwing out that this and that place have 9's and 10's is hilarious. We all have different standards but let's be real, Pattaya at this moment probably has no 10's and a few 9's who are so entitled that they won't session anyways.

[CaliGuy33]

I am still on the ground here in Pattaya, you can see some of my previous posts and my opinion has not changed much. I agree with you, Pattaya is not what it was and its in a lot of trouble.

There have always been too many bars spread out all over the show, but at the moment the competition for girls is so fierce that its created bizarro world. My intention is not to put people off, its mostly to provide some perspective so that you can adjust expectations and perhaps consider what your game plan should be based on how much time you would have if you travel here.

I would like to add some general updates based on what I am seeing and hearing given the additional time I have had here too. I'm out of here in two weeks, so its ended up being a good 2.5 months in Pattaya. I'll be going over old ground in some cases, but my view has been solidified for the most part that this place is past its prime and I am not sure how it actually recovers either. Normally I am a two week millionaire type, but I have changed things up given the longer amount of time I have spent in country. I have come to realize talking to the girls, bar managers and owners / staff of various businesses that its the two week millionaires that kept this place going. As much as the old cheap charlies and expats complain about the pricing pressure they create, in reality they were actually the lifeblood for a lot of the industry because they spend big and they pay the bills.

1 - The gogos are a fucked. I love thai women and asian women, but there is simply no way I can justify paying these sorts of barfines and prices. Not to mention the LD quotas. I am not short of a buck and not a budget traveller, but we are talking about prices that are starting to match Europe. Beautiful thai women are up there with women from all over the world, but the ratios have never been in their favour like they are in Eastern Europe and Latin America either...

Excellent report. And as someone who has been in Thailand the last three months, I can corroborate your points. I'm also like you leaving Thailand and returning home within a week or two. It's been a fun ride.

[Vector313]

The USA Dollar is trading at about 38 to the Baht, which is the strongest Dollar in years. Compared to, say, 30/$ that's 27% more Baht to the dollar. Might the American Punter be the naughty boy who saves Pattaya?

Absolutely not. I'm still on ground two months in an I'll tell you that the other members are correct in saying that the pricing has matched and even surpassed the equivalent quality of girl that can be had in Colombia, Peurto Rico, Dominican Rep, Mexico, or Brazil which all offer MUCH shorter flights, cheaper flights, and friendlier time zone shift for digital nomads to work remotely.

Nobody from the usa will want to continue to fly 22-34 expensive hours just to shift 11 hours time zone for mediocre pussy at above average prices. The only thing keeping Thailand as good value is that it is unrivaled for quality cheaper accommodation, fast cheap internet, and good cheap food compared to europe, africa, and latin america. This is advantageous for the 3 month stay tourist, but the 2 week millionaire gets way more bang for the buck closer to home.

Depending on what city in the USA, the cost analysis for time, travel, and accommodation even lends to the falling price of pussy in the USA. You can have your top level favorite IG model, mid level porn star, or music video stripper at home in Miami, Atlanta, vegas, or Houston for the equivalent time and cost of coming all the way to pattaya. Hell, if you only have a week its much cheaper faster and higher quality to head to Dubai and make rounds or hit Germany and make rounds of FKK and red lights with much more high quality opportunities.

Thailand really only makes sense for americans if you are minimum three weeks stay or if you already have a thai girlfriend and aren't going to be wasting a lot of money bar hopping. i've met a number of american guys who are retired here and they all are basically begging for me to move here permanently because they are bored and not meeting a lot of new people anymore. I probably won't be returning after i leave next month. The value is not here and pattaya is boring to death after you get tired of the clubs, bars, and drinking. there's nothing at all to do unless you enjoy going to the movies watching harry potter and spider man re-released 10 year old movies at the theaters everyday.

[Bunky]

Enjoyed reading Mr. Roberts' latest update on the Pattaya ground truth. Good man!

"There have always been too many bars spread out all over, but at the moment the competition for girls is so fierce that its created bizarro world."

Pattaya has always had too many bars. But 10 years ago, the rents were lower. Today higher rents and fewer customers have killed all those little places run by older falangs as a hobby. The bigger and more commercial places survive, but it appears they're tilting away from the naughty boys, in favor of patrons who are happy to just buy drinks.

"I have come to realize that it's the two week millionaires that kept this place going. They are actually the lifeblood of the industry because they spend big and they pay the bills."

Very true. But efficient market theory teaches us that they are informed consumers. Forums like this, and cogent analysis by guys like Mr. Roberts, allow them to learn the latest just by scrolling on their phones.

They know very well that Pattaya is less of a punter playground now. It's teetering on the brink of becoming a place where the girls tease but don't deliver. Guys who seek out play-for-pay are acutely sensitive to this, because every single one has paid good money for a bad experience, or even worse gotten ripped off. The moment they perceive Pattaya venues as clip joints, they will abandon that destination most ricky-tick.

GO GO CLUBS ARE POOR VALUE FOR MONEY: "We are talking about prices that are starting to match Europe. You are going to be paying through the nose or waste time hunting for that gem that pops up from time to time -- 8 k-10 k all up. Add the hotel cost, food, flights and other expenses. If the go go clubs were full of women that could match any half decent FKK, Spanish bordello or Brazilian club I would say fine. But it's not at that level."

Over the past 36 months I've read dozens upon dozens of reports to this effect. I think it's fair to say this is the consensus view. For me, the most worrisome finding is that hot girls are not available at any price. The Naughty Boy planning a holiday can't help but be concerned, especially if lives far from Thailand.

GREEDY BAR OWNERS PRIORITIZE ALCOHOL SALES OVER EVERYTHING ELSE: "The pressure to sell drinks in some venues is fucking insane and it puts you off going into these venues. Its relentless, to the point where cleaning staff are hammering you. I know the owners need to start turning a buck, but this is not the way. I have not been back to walking street in two weeks, and even LK Metro it is out of control with it."

The bars sell two things: Alcohol and "companionship. " So long as the girls remain back in the village, it's the equivalent of all those Chinese factories closed by COVID, or those container ships anchored near harbors full of goods that aren't on store shelves. So the bars try to sell alcohol. But selling alcohol, especially at premium prices, requires some X Factor to attract patrons. Seriously, without the chance to get laid by a hottie for a cheap price is there ANY attraction to one of the many Nightwish bars on Soi Six? To a go go club blasting EDM and charging 150 or more for a bottle of Chang?

MORE AND MORE GIRLS WON'T BUDGE FROM THEIR BARSTOOLS: "Never thought I would see the day, but some girls in GC's and bars even on Soi 6 are drinks only. No idea why owners and managers think their customers are coming to speak broken English to bar girls who won't go ST or LT but this is becoming more and more frequent. Soi 6 has turned into a drinking alley more than a fucking alley."

So we have a semi-attractive girl dressed provocatively who teases guys with the prospect of a trip upstairs in order to keep him buying high priced drinks. Call it a "hostess bar," a "clip joint" a "bottakuri" or "the bottle service scam." But it's anathema to the Two Week Millionaire that has supported Pattaya for decades.

LODGING & FOOD BARGAINS: Accommodation, food and gyms, etc are all great and cheap as hell. And I always loved the people here. Beyond the sex industry Thailand has a lot to offer and still does, so I have enjoyed my time here immensely. It's tough not to just stick around if you can work remotely.

All true. But as Mr. Roberts explained, it's the Two Week Millionaires who support the naughty boy scene in Pattaya. If the only visitors are Digital Nomads and Thrifty Ex-Pats, the local economy will collapse.

LONG TERM VISITORS ARE HOOKING UP WITH A DIFFERENT TYPE OF GIRL: "I have been getting stuck into the semi pros and less active freelancers. This has been a goldmine, and it's been delivery straight to the room with the occasional night out. If you are here a while, you can set yourself up like a king. However if you don't have that time on the ground, it's going to be a challenge unless you want to drop a lot of money."

CAN YOU SAY "DISINTERMEDIATION?" "A lot of girls are going the freelance route now. They are sick to death of the bullshit from the mamasans and the owners. ".

For the past 50 years or so the worldwide economy has ruthlessly eliminated middlemen who don't add value. Who needs a regional sales manager? We can eliminate the manufacturer rep and sell direct! Sounds like the girls are doing the same.

Two problems, it seems to me: (1) Going out to the club or the bar and seeing the girl in the flesh is part of the fun for most naughty boys. Just my opinion, but sitting in my room and scrolling on my phone seems a little sad. Of course YMMV. (2) Choosing a girl online increases the risk of a bad experience. Mostly because of bait and switch, but also because of no-shows and really bad attitudes. In the bar or club you can see the girl in person and assess her demeanor. I will say that if you find somebody you like in the club, it's silly simple to book repeats via Line.

WHO WILL BE THE MARGINAL BUYER GOING FORWARD? "With recession coming, the increasing cost of flights and the lack of tourism from Russia and China the Thai tourism industry is in for a difficult run. The Indians are not spending anything, and I think Pattaya as it is right now is going to put a lot of people off."

The USA Dollar is trading at about 38 to the Baht, which is the strongest Dollar in years. Compared to, say, 30/$ that's 27% more Baht to the dollar. Might the American Punter be the naughty boy who saves Pattaya?

[Sundown Rodeo]

At mrInternational I 100% agree with you. I did 3 months remote working and booked to come back in 2 weeks but might swerve Pattaya. It's too cutthroat and pressure cooker for me now. Cleaners and bouncers even ask for drinks. What have you been using for the semi pro scene? I did ok with Thai friendly.

[Chimpo Chinn]

"Soi 6 hasn't changed at all in my view from several years ago."

Come on. Anybody that is in Pattaya can tell you 25% of the Soi 6 bars are closed. Dolls Agogo is missing on Soi 6. And there are way much less acceptable girls on Soi 6 than before. And before, it wasn't that great anyways.

"High Rollers. It is slightly more expensive (drinks) than the other clubs but it was fabulous. You enter to gold pillars and surroundings all very over the top but the quality of the girls in this place was, for me, better than in any of its rivals and moreover, better than most of the agogos on Walking Street. Two great pool tables one downstairs the other upstairs, staff are mega friendly (though that was true everywhere). Some of the girls in HRs are 9's and 10/10's. From stunningly beautiful with a knockout body."

You know they do have a Facebook page, right? I've looked at it and my eyes hurt now.

"Actually did not consider (as has been reported) that Pin Up had the best talent. For me, one girl in Palace stood out and I BFd her. But as others have reported, I didn't like that a lot of people walk along WS with phones lifted up videoing all that was going on. I restricted myself to two visits mainly because I much preferred LK Metro and Tree Town or Buakhao / Pothole and even Lenkee.

I like your take on Looks. It matters.

[GentileBear]

Decided out of no more than curiosity to visit The Castle third road, almost on its own, which is a fetish club.

Thank you for this report! I honestly. Laughed out loud reading this part about the S&M club- man oh man what a cool glimpse of the Sadistic Twists from your innocent eyes. I can only assume the "torture" is about as real as professional wrestling is or I would not be laughing. But either way your writing in this report was Epic!

[Mr Enternational]

Had 12 days here recently. Second trip here for me. This time was much better. Last trip was pre covid.

Great report. I put it in the ROD thread. Many people have talked about wanting to go to The Castle, but this is the first time I have seen an actual report on it. That chick is a real player calling you out by asking for a deposit!

[ElMexicant]

"Soi 6 hasn't changed at all in my view from several years ago."

Come on. Anybody that is in Pattaya can tell you 25% of the Soi 6 bars are closed. Dolls Agogo is missing on Soi 6. And there are way much less acceptable girls on Soi 6 than before. And before, it wasn't that great anyways.

"High Rollers. It is slightly more expensive (drinks) than the other clubs but it was fabulous. You enter to gold pillars and surroundings all very over the top but the quality of the girls in this place was, for me, better than in any of its rivals and moreover, better than most of the agogos on Walking Street. Two great pool tables one downstairs the other upstairs, staff are mega friendly (though that was true everywhere). Some of the girls in HRs are 9's and 10/10's. From stunningly beautiful with a knockout body."

You know they do have a Facebook page, right? I've looked at it and my eyes hurt now.

"Actually did not consider (as has been reported) that Pin Up had the best talent. For me, one girl in Palace stood out and I BFd her. But as others have reported, I didn't like that a lot of people walk along WS with phones lifted up videoing all that was going on. I restricted myself to two visits mainly because I much preferred LK Metro and Tree Town or Buakhao / Pothole and even Lenkee."

No face. No name. No number. Was a song by Modern Talking. Still don't know what the hell they were singing about.

Meet Alina Lando who resides in Phuket. Anyways, just a reminder to what exactly a 10 looks likes before we start throwing that number around causally for Soi Pothole. It disrespects Alina and all the perfect 10's out there.

[Chimpo Chinn]

10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1's. We need Photos.

In Aug I walked up and down Soi 6 about 5 time,. Couldn't even spot a 5.

Counting Regular non Prostitutes, like in Shopping Centers never have I seen a 9 or ten in Pattaya.

[PayForIt]

Had 12 days here recently. Second trip here for me. This time was much better. Last trip was pre covid. A good tip for punters going here – download the Discord app. Doesn't work on apple devices – only android / google. Apple has some content restriction nonsense so annoyingly I couldn't open the app after downloading it onto my ipad. So had to use a windows PC – but the info is excellent and even shows photos of the current line up of girls working in each agogo / club / bar / gentleman's clubs. The guys on there also share great info of all sorts of things not just girls but on restaurants / taxis – literally everything. So to Trev who runs Discord – if you are reading this – thank you for your brilliant videos and informative app which really helped me and should be used for anyone going to Pattay. Seek Trev out on Buzzin Pattaya on YouTube.

Tree Town.

For me the best area overall. Lively, lots going on. Some great beer bars with fabulous live music.

One or two good karaoke bars if that's your thing. Tried Escape (set up by the Buzzin Pattaya crew) but didn't much like it. It tries to be a bit of everything and I'm not sure it works. Tree Town has the usual large offering of massage parlours and I tried several which were excellent and good value.

Several ladyboy bars. Not my bag but to each their own and I was definitely fooled several times. I learned this trip that the ladyboys are not at all offended if you ask outright if they are a ladyboy. But I did proposition girls on two occasions who I would never have believed were ladyboys – stunning, fabulous thin bodies and without the tell-tale signs of large hands / Adam's apple / low voice. Each time they whispered in my ear that they were LBs and I politely declined.

Soi 6 hasn't changed at all in my view from several years ago. It still buzzes with hundreds of girls, many of them great options from mid afternoon until late. I had several sessions having just literally picked a girl from her looks on the street, straight inside, drink for her and me and off to the room upstairs. All good sessions. Prices were 1000 baht for the girl and 400 or sometimes 500 for the room. I didn't haggle. These prices compared to mongering in other parts of the world are unbelievably cheap. I try to respect that paying over the top increases the price for locals, so I did reject a couple of girls who tried it on with requests for 1500 bhat – and stayed firm on "I will go to the room right now if we agree 1000 baht but that's the price". On each such occasion the girl immediately conceded and off we went. On two occasions I gave a 250 baht tip after the event for great service.

Soi 7 is more relaxed that Soi 6 with some good options. A number of beer / pool bars, one in the middle of the street (Chor Leera) with a stunning little girl called Bee – she has a tattoo of her name on her arm. I insisted upon seeing her ID before I took her as she looks very young – but to my surprise she is 19. Body to die for but her service is "inexperienced" and I didn't repeat.

Decided out of no more than curiosity to visit The Castle – third road, almost on its own, which is a fetish club. You knock on the door and a pretty girl appears at the hatch to tell you it is 1000 baht just to enter – which will buy you one drink! Wow – expensive. So first time I politely declined and jumped on a bike back to Soi Lenkee – which also has some decent options. But my curiosity got the better of me and the next night I returned waving a 1000 baht note as the hatch was opened. You go inside to be greeted by about 10 girls all in sexy lingerie and you meet the Mistress – tall blonde Thai lady who is clearly not to be messed with. You get your drink and they position you on a seat for the start of the immediate personal show! Had not realised that was included in the price. They start tying a young pretty naked girl up in ropes and there are whips, canes, paddles and all sorts of equipment close by. Clearly inexperienced in the genre I tried to protest "please don't hurt that girl for me – I only wanted to come to see what this was all about". Not a good idea! Blonde Mistress orders all of the girls to their knees – by now 6 of them are topless. She turns to me and says "You are in my club. I am in charge now. Don't interrupt – just watch. " I lamely try to say this was meant to just be a bit of fun for me and can't we just have a drink and she howls laughing. 4 slaves are chosen by Mistress to remain kneeling but bend putting their asses in the air. She blasts out verbal orders and they all in unison scream "yes mistress". Whilst I was enjoying the sight of the four naked butts in front of me, I really wanted to halt the performance but realised that was not going to happen. Mistress proceeds to whip the asses of the four kneeling slaves and the breasts of the one tied up in ropes. Happily for me, she is pretty tame and it is clear this performance is not going to involve the girls suffering much pain. I was relieved at that, and when it was over.

I then got the guided tour of the place. There is every kind of implement, restraint, etc you can imagine. We get to the back of the club and to my surprise there is a naked guy tied up on a bench with his ass in the air. He was there all along without me noticing. As we approach the area where he was I tried to stop my host (the Mistress) saying I didn't want to intrude. Clearly not understanding the psyche of all of this she tells me he would not want me to miss out. She barks at him to request pain. He duly obliges and she selects a long bendy bamboo cane and must have cracked his ass with it no less than 20 times (I didn't count). Unlike with her female slaves there was no lack of effort this time and his ass was a mass of stripes quickly. I dared not attempt to intervene – she was not someone to pick an argument with – and in any event he appeared to be enjoying it!

Mistress takes to the bar, offers me another drink and asks whether I am sub or dom but suspects I am sub because I didn't want her slaves to be hurt. I know enough to know what this means but tell her that I really am not all that bothered about it and just was curious. This is clearly a disappointment to her. I think she quite fancied another bound guy to beat. She tells me that she thinks I would be more comfortable coming to the party on a Friday night. 1500 entry instead of 1000 but as many drinks as I want all night for free (not a bad deal) and shows every 30 minutes. She explains there will be at least 4 mistresses and one male Master. Wonderful (not! She said the club was busy with a lot of people – men and women on Fridays. I lied to her that this sounded a lot better for me as I would prefer to watch, and that I'll be back on Friday. I had no intention of returning but thought this was a polite way out until she asks me for a 500 deposit! I tell her that alas I need to check with pals if they will come to before I commit and I left. All very interesting and if domination / submission is your thing this is a very professional place where they are experts.

Back to the "normal" world. My main objective on this trip was to sample the Gentleman's clubs. I did a lot of research on them all from several of the excellent YouTube channels about them.

I won't report on every one of them – it would take a long time. But I tried M Club, Babylon, High Rollers, Maggie Mays, Camel Toe, Den, Purple Bar, The Cave and I suspect others I cannot remember. Without being unkind to any of them (I found Maggie Mays for example to be far too small), there is an absolute stand out club – High Rollers. It is slightly more expensive (drinks) than the other clubs but it was fabulous. You enter to gold pillars and surroundings – all very over the top but the quality of the girls in this place was, for me, better than in any of its rivals and moreover, better than most of the agogos on Walking Street. Two great pool tables – one downstairs the other upstairs, staff are mega friendly (though that was true everywhere). Some of the girls in HRs are 9's and 10/10's. Fom – stunningly beautiful with a knockout body – at only 1000 baht for upstairs and 500 for the room, she was too good to resist and I had several excellent sessions with her. But then I did so with a lot of girls in there. Highlight of my trip was my last visit – arrived early afternoon and had no less than 8 rooms before I left that night – one threesome and my final room with my favourite 4 ladies (a first for me). I am too old to be popping more than once or twice a day but that didn't matter to me and I had sufficiently recovered from my afternoon pop to enjoy my final group session – not cheap but my farewell to Pattaya this trip in easily my favourite bar / gentleman's club.

Walking Street – not a lot has changed. Tried several of the agogo bars, some pretty girls. Actually did not consider (as has been reported) that Pin Up had the best talent. For me, one girl in Palace stood out and I BFd her. But as others have reported, I didn't like that a lot of people walk along WS with phones lifted up videoing all that was going on. I restricted myself to two visits mainly because I much preferred LK Metro and Tree Town or Buakhao / Pothole and even Lenkee.

Tried all three of the Honey soapies. For me, best of the three is Honey 2 which is North Pattaya next door to Siam hotel and not far from Terminal 21 mall. Great choices though far more expensive than in the above venues. Pricing system in colours. Red tag girls cheapest (from memory 2000 baht) up to the black tags (4000). So x4 prices of the other bars etc but still a great experience and I actually returned twice for Blue tag M155 who looked like Kim Kardashian without the huge butt and was truly 10/10 service.

Another fabulous trip to Pattaya. Whilst it is run down in many parts, and the beach is not that great, the options for mongering are truly unrivalled across the globe. Dubai is fantastic but x10 more expensive. On a value for money basis Pattaya is fantastic. I loved the Gentleman's clubs far more than I expected. Many reports say the girls are older and not so attractive so that when a really pretty girl stops getting picked in the agogos they move on to the gents clubs. That was not my experience at all. Maggie Mays and Camel Toe did have older and less pretty girls, but I found really pretty young girls in most of the clubs and High Rollers particularly so. The soapies are really good – not as good as the opulent ones in Bangkok but still good. The areas around LK Metro and Tree Town are great for a night out. For food, and live music try Malibrew – food was incredible and the artists very talented. Excellent. A bit out of it up in North Pattaya again but worth the inexpensive cab there and back into town. Or the Don Pepe Spanish tapas in town.

Until the next time.I agree with YngMong. You will not regret going. The options are just great.

[Wayne Roberts]

Well been here since Friday after my last visit in June.

For the Pattaya junkys? Yeah you can fuck and all. It's still better than most cities.

For the realistic people and information seekers? It's time to move on. Pattaya is at the end of a era. A new one will start but when that happens there is no excuse for NOT going to BKK or Phuket. Both cities have much more to offer and the price gap is probably gone.

What happened? (IMO) Too many bars have been sold for crazy amount of money without anything to back it up. You buy a bar for a few million THB? You not buy ANYTHING. Because you still got to pay rent. Girls are not on a payroll. So you buy on a "promise" of possible revenue from the previous owner. Without the tools he had (aka the ladies).

So you basically pay for furniture. Maybe a soundsystem. Its crazy. But many guys fell into this scam...

I am still on the ground here in Pattaya, you can see some of my previous posts and my opinion has not changed much. I agree with you, Pattaya is not what it was and its in a lot of trouble.

There have always been too many bars spread out all over the show, but at the moment the competition for girls is so fierce that its created bizarro world. My intention is not to put people off, its mostly to provide some perspective so that you can adjust expectations and perhaps consider what your game plan should be based on how much time you would have if you travel here.

I would like to add some general updates based on what I am seeing and hearing given the additional time I have had here too. I'm out of here in two weeks, so its ended up being a good 2.5 months in Pattaya. I'll be going over old ground in some cases, but my view has been solidified for the most part that this place is past its prime and I am not sure how it actually recovers either. Normally I am a two week millionaire type, but I have changed things up given the longer amount of time I have spent in country. I have come to realize talking to the girls, bar managers and owners / staff of various businesses that its the two week millionaires that kept this place going. As much as the old cheap charlies and expats complain about the pricing pressure they create, in reality they were actually the lifeblood for a lot of the industry because they spend big and they pay the bills.

1 - The gogos are a fucked. I love thai women and asian women, but there is simply no way I can justify paying these sorts of barfines and prices. Not to mention the LD quotas. I am not short of a buck and not a budget traveller, but we are talking about prices that are starting to match Europe. Beautiful thai women are up there with women from all over the world, but the ratios have never been in their favour like they are in Eastern Europe and Latin America either. So if you are on a short trip here, you are going to be paying through the nose for a belter or having to waste time hunting for that gem that pops up from time to time. You are in for 8 k-10 k all up by the time BF's, drinks, LD's and girls rates are taken into account if you pull them out before midnight. Add the hotel cost, food, flights and other expenses? If they were full of women that could match any half decent FKK, Spanish bordello or Brazilian club I would say fine. But its not at that level, regardless of your tastes and how deep the yellow fever runs. Anyone who says otherwise has never been to these countries, or went to the wrong places when they visited.

2 - Long Time (LT) is actually becoming an issue. This was one of the major appeals of Thailand, was that you took a girl for the night and it was normally 1-2 pops before bed and then another shot when you wake up with the morning wood. More and more girls are only providing ST now. This is from the bars, gentlemen's clubs, etc. Gogos its still bog standard for most, but the Thai LT service is gradually eroding.

3 - The competition for girls has created a massive shortage across the whole industry. Gogo's are paying a lot to get staff and they are taking just about anyone. Which means they are hoovering up all the girls, and that has reduced the quality right down the food chain. There are still a lot of girls who choose to work in specific environments because it suits them, many just prefer working bars or gentlemen's clubs to gogos regardless of the extra cash they would make, but the shortage is having an impact. The 10 day contracts are all the girls talk about, and they are shopping themselves as much as possible.

4 - All the girls are complaining about how quiet it is. Beyond that restaurant staff, massage therapists, hotel staff. All saying the same thing and you can sense there are a lot of nerves and a growing concern that things do need to pickup this high season otherwise a lot more places are going under. This season is a big one for Pattaya and it needs it badly.

5 - The girls are not actually pushing their rates up, for the most part those have stayed the same for years now and I am not sure how a lot of them actually do it. A few of the gogos are rammed, but the vast majority are dead quiet. A lot of bars and GC's too, a few doing good trade but many are struggling. Nightclubs are also not that busy, and when they are they packed with Indians sitting around a single drink who spend the night dancing with each other and talking more than anything else. The costs are the costs from the business owners to cover their overheads, not from the girls themselves. A lot of these girls are struggling to get more than a few drinks sold a night, and in many cases are not being barfined at all given the high BF rates at some places. So they are reliant on those 10 day contracts and salaries too.

6 - The pressure to sell drinks in some venues is fucking insane and it puts you off going into these venues. Its relentless, to the point where cleaning staff are hammering you. I know the owners need to start turning a buck, but this is not the way. I have not been back to walking street in two weeks, and even LK Metro it is out of control with it. Its a pain in the ass dealing with the bullshit because you can't just sit and have a beer for a while it seems.

7 - Never thought I would see the day, but some girls in GC's and bars even on Soi 6 are drinks only. They don't BF, they only sell drinks. No idea why owners and managers think their customers are coming to speak broken English to bar girls only, but this is becoming more and more frequent. This is how desperate they are for any girls in the bar now.

8 - 90% of the girls are not pushing their rates up, but I think its coming soon. Been a few cheeky attempts at 1500-1800 on Soi 6, which has also turned into a drinking alley more than the fucking alley it used to be. There is no reason to visit Soi 6, if its bars and GC's your best bet is currently Buakow area where I have been spending more and more time.

9 - Hotels are cheap as shit right now, its tough not to just stick around if you can work remotely like I do. So that's what I have done, and I have settled into a routine that has been very comfortable. Everything else is still very well priced, so accommodation, food and food choices, gyms, etc are all great and cheap as hell given quality. And I always loved the people here. Beyond the sex industry Thailand has a lot to offer and still does, so I have enjoyed my time here immensely still.

10 - Being able to spend more time here means I have been getting stuck into the semi pros and less active freelancers. This has been a goldmine, the quality of the girls is right up there with the top gogo quality at times and its been delivery straight to the hotel room with the occasional night out with them. At the moment, I think the freelancers are the way to go, be it nightclubs or dating sites. Please bare in mind I am mid 40's too, and some of these girls have their age limits so they are picking their customers a bit more so maybe my experience is a bit skewed, I am not sure. SO if you are here a while, you can set yourself up like a king in no time. However if you don't have that time on the ground, its going to be a challenge unless you want to drop a lot of money.

11 - A lot of girls are going the freelance route now. They talk amongst themselves a ton, have their own chat groups and messaging groups, etc. Make no mistake they are organized. When you ask them why some of them who would be very popular at the gogos are not working there, or even a bar? Basically they are sick to death of the bullshit from the mamasans and the owners. Pressure to sell drinks, pressure to compete with other girls, pressure to dance for 8-10 hours, lots of drinking, fines for everything under the sun including days they can't work if they are sick. Inability to choose customers sometimes, endlessly bombarded with loud music. So they make a little less as freelancers, but they set their own hours and they also have tons of ways to meet men now. They are all active on social media, so they are constantly reeling men in. They also tend to get a lot of repeats which they all prefer.

I agree that with recession coming, the increasing cost of flights and the lack of tourism from Russia and China that the Thai tourism industry is in for a seriously difficult run the next few years. The Indians are not spending anything, and I think Pattaya as it is right now is going to put a lot of people off from returning too, especially for those of you who have been here a a few times and have expectations given prior experience.

[Sundown Rodeo]

Well I gave it my best at bat. Was a Pin Up this past weekend. It was early about 8:45 pm. Model 467 in white, very delicious body. White skinned. Chinese facial features. Nice bolt on tits. Slim but leggy with a thin waist. Maybe the best in there. After her dance rotation, she walked by where I was sitting and I was able to confirm her looks up close. Called mamasan over and asked if she was barfineable. Mamasan said she was. Made my max offer, which was same max offer, I offered targeted stunner girls at the GoGo bars before COVID, if you can understand that. Told mamasan I was willing to buy her 5 drinks to match her nightly quota to fulfill that 50 in 10 days contract. Pay the barfine and 5000 for LT and table service at Club Panda. Plus 100 tip to mamasan if all that can close the deal. Mamasan walked over to the girl, chatted with her for a minute, and pointed to me. Model 467 smiled and walked over. Boy, I thought I was getting lucky! Model 467, then told me she cannot go tonight because she had another customer booking. She said thank you and told me next time. For all that I got a kiss on the cheek and was told come back next week. Mamasan gave me an I'm sorry smile and asked if I want to choose another. To that I said, let me look, but meant no. Well damn, I thought. I sat there 30-40 more minutes and saw other customers buy her a drinks. She didn't go with any of them. About 10 pm. A hefty Korean guy with a sleeveless AC / DC muscle shirt came in and called her off the stage. I watched as a couple of trays of 10 shots of tequila was brought out to her. She invited 2 more of her model girlfriends to their little party. He also asked the waitstaff to bring out a 2000 baht bucket of ping pong balls and handed it all to her. She kept the whole bucket to herself. Wonder does he know that Pin Up keeps 1000 of that, only 10 baht per ball goes to the girl. He must be new. Oh well, now I saw why my offer of nearly 8,000 plus clubbing, seemed like a lowball offer. Cheap ass me. Didn't feel like competing. Instead I walked over to SkyFalls and called good ole Giftzy whom I met at Living Dolls ages ago. One of my first barfines ever in Pattaya ages ago. She since worked for quite a few clubs including Pin Up. Bought her a couple of drinks and got a free hand job. SkyFalls is so dark and raunchy.

I've saw Giftzy a few times in there, seems to be a bit up herself. Decent bar fine? I took the older one last time, really good dancer. Name is Tik.

[Wayne Roberts]

The global recession has nothing to do with Russia-Ukraine. It has everything to do with governments and central banks printing money for years and increasing the debt whilst kicking the can down the road. The global recession is just commencing and it will be felt in Thailand as it will everywhere else. Tourist numbers will drop as farang won't have the money to travel. Less tourists means the price of pussy decreases. Just wait another year and these same girls pushing for 2 k ST will be lucky to get 1 k ST.

Certainly too many bars in Pattaya, contraction has to happen.

I'm in Samui now and yes the quality and quantity is low, but the girls that are here are so desperate I am getting whatever I want. There is an extreme lack of tourists here and the majority of Samui tourists aren't mongers anyways. I'm surprised these girls are here instead of Phuket. Yesterday I had a girl over for 3 hours for for 1 k ST and she was more attractive than any girl I bedded in two months I was in Pattaya. Today sampling a cute one I got down to 700 baht ST, we'll see how it goes.

Jesus mate, you are knocking these girls down 300 baht? Its 7 dollars FFS.