Sao Paulo Reports

[CatBert55]

Random observations over the last few days.

I stayed a few nights at the JW Marriott. Used to be the Four Seasons and, in fact, Uber shows the pick-up as being the Four Seasons Hotel. The hotel was great and the rooms much better than the Renaissance, but I would not recommend for mongering. They're aren't any safes in the rooms so I wouldn't feel comfortable bringing back someone I just met.

Went to Bomboa Tuesday night. Room fee was are $170, not $150 as reported earlier.

Scandallo Thursday night was dead. I was there from 10:00 until midnight. The outdoor area next to the restaurant was closed off, the upstairs was closed off, and overall just had the pandemic era vibe. Took a Blanca back to my hotel (I moved to the Grand Hyatt). I felt like I was overpaying a bit but the little head was thinking, not the big head. However, she and the little head were muito simpatico and the big head thanked the little head later.

[Nounce]

Good tip about the wine.

... It is pretty crazy to see the admission / minimun consumption double in less than 2 years...

This happens to Medellin high end clubs too. I think because the supply is limited. They may have figured out price increase did not reduce business so they did it. Coincidently, there are 3 posts complaining about how expensive Casarao has become on the last page or so on GPGuia.

Tonight I needed someone to share pizza with me in one of the best pizza restaurants. I contacted a girl and invited her to join me and did a video call. The girl likes wine so we ordered a bottle. The total is less than R500. I told the girl in WhatsApp that the dinner is no strings attached and she can leave after. She sent me this when we finished pizza before desert. LOL. We talked by WhatsApp in the restaurant and it was mostly in Portuguese but this message she wrote in English.

[HiddenEye]

Wanted to mention this small story. Took a taxi near to a shopping in the Moema area. The taxi driver was an evangelist (religious music playing on his radio).

When he left me at the door of the clinica he said some moral quote like "these guys going to **** houses" (mais um cara indo para puteiro).

I could have said nothing, but decided to reply: Yeah, my girlfriend works there. (oh sim, minha nomarada trabalha alí oh).

Taxi driver replied: Didn't want to offend my friend (sem animo de ofender amigo).

Religious guys always suck. Those are the first to make the line in clinicas weekends.

[HiddenEye]

Deserves words of distinction! Clear writing and visual report.

There are many places in SP out of the comfort zone.

Doing Individual Reports on some boates I've visited during my September Trip.

Casarao is my new favorite place in Sao Paulo...

[Anaggie]

Interesting observation.

I know a few affluent Paulistas. Not uber wealthy by any means. My observation is that they are very sensitive about security and transportation. They drive decent but practical cars. If we go out drinking at night, they have private car services that they know and use. They will never use taxis or ubers.

These are just my anecdotal observations. I never had a conversation with them about sports cars or luxury cars.

One of my suppliers in Colombia told me this many years back. In South America, one can tell how wealthy a person usually by the car they drive. Note. I said wealthy and not rich. Many wealthy businessmen will drive basic practical cars because they are less likely to get robbed or mugged in the street and will hire a driver / bodyguard. I still notice what kind of car they drive whenever I meet a new supplier and whenever they tell me they are poor, I laugh and tell them this story. They usually concur.

[Gigi Buffon]

Considering Sao Paulo's status as the financial capital of SP / Brazil and even South America for that matter it does surprise me that there isn't really a lot sport cars or luxury cars in the city. I've only seen a few BMWs, Range Rovers and Porsches in the wild and the few supercars I've seen were parked in the scadallo parking garage. As a Florida native its not uncommon to see a 1909 Ford Model T driving down the road with a 2023 Ferrari Daytona SP3 on it's tail. Even taking a trip to the Holy Temple of the local Publix Supermarket you'll see some Rolls and Bentleys sprinkled around the parking lots.

I know Sao Paulo and Brazil isn't exactly as prosperous as old money cities in the US but it's still a HUGE international financial hub so that always surprised me when staying in Sao Paulo. I've been there 5 times now and I usually stay 2 weeks on average so that part always stands out for me as I am a car enthusiast.

There are plenty, but you will not see those during the week. Paulistanos and Paulistas tend to drive them more during weekend, when they might not be stuck in traffic. Also, many keep their sport cars in their week-end houses, where they can drive more freely. If you were to visit any of the top buildings in VNC, Itaim, Jardins, Cidade Jardins you will notice the car garage are enclosed, with doors and fitted with all the whistles, inside those close box, there are plenty of Ferraris, Lambo, Porsche, Maserati, MB, and bullet proofed SUV and luxury cars.

[SocratesNY]

Some of my experiences regarding some of the recent discussions:

ATM fees:.

Some ATMs (Some in GRU near the exit and the Grand Hyatt Sao Paulo comes to mind) have a very high ATM fee structure based on a percentage of withdrawal. Thankfully both Schwab and my high end Chase account reimbursed the fees fully, which were $50 plus dollars per transaction. So for me, it's not a big deal, as long as I declined the conversion. With that sad, it is best to use a regular bank ATM in the city. I like Bradesco and Satander.

Scandallo entrance fee / min consumption:

It is pretty crazy to see the admission / minimun consumption double in less than 2 years. When I first went in May of 2021, It was R150 before 7 pm and R300 after 7 PM. It has crept to R200 / R400 earlier this year and now stands at R300 / R500. On some nights when they have special musical guest or events, It can be up to R600-800 after 7 pm!

The consumption portion can be used for food, alcohol, non-alcoholic drinks, tobacco products (cigars, cigarettes, vape pens), etc.

If you go there before 7:00 pm, you can return later in the same day / night and don't have to pay any additional entrance fee or minimum consumption. On your return visit, you just pay for whatever you consume. Please note that whatever leftover consumption from your earlier visit does not carry over to your return visit.

One useful strategy to save money that my friends and I have used is to get there before 7:00 pm, pool our consumption and get a bottle or two, and then return later in the evening after dinner somewhere else to drink the bottles. Any bottle you buy is good for 6 months. You can use your unfinished bottles upon your return visit. You can drink your bottle (s) over the course of days or weeks or months. The strategy is best when you're going with a few friends, but still can be useful if you are solo and plan to revisit the club.

Arriving before or after 7:00 PM:

They are pros and cons to both option besides the cheaper admission. I have been to the club as early as 2:00 pm and as late as 1:00 am.

I have found some real gems early in the afternoon / early evening. Those gems that I found were only there for short period of time, because they were getting over some difficult short-term financial situations. They chose to go to the club during the day, so it doesn't affect their normal personal lives, and can chalk it up to working a regular job during the day. While others just aren't night owls, big drinkers or don't want to compete with the night time talent.

It is very interesting to see the shift change that occurs between 6 to 9:00 pm You get to see a larger pool and variety of talent. Then they are some superstars who only show up after 11:00 pm as they are confident that they can always wheel in a guy, so they know they don't need to put in the full 8-hour shift to get a free invite the next day. Or they are financially secure enough to not care about the free invite.

It all comes down to whether you would get bored at the club by coming in earlier. When I go there early, it is usually with friends so time goes by quick. And we usually leave to go eat elsewhere and then return later in the evening when it's hopping. Other times, we go just before 7 pm and eat dinner there, as we don't want to stay up past midnight. So it's just a relaxing night out with the boys and the girls we pick for the night. BTW, the food is very good at Scandallo.

But like others have said, the afternoon / early evening pales in comparison to late night in terms of vibe, energy, amount of girls and guys. Before 7 or 8 pm, only the small bar by the elevator, restaurant and small outdoor patio are open. After 8 or 9 pm, depending on occupancy, they open the bigger outdoor terrace, which doubles occupancy space. After 9 to 10 pm, they open the club / disco, and the space doubles again!

I've found Wed and Thursday to be the busiest, followed by Tuesday and Friday, with Saturday being the slowest. It is crazy from 11 pm until 2-3 am, when it begins to calm down.

[WyattEarp]

ATM scam: When I arrived in SP on Monday, I was weary of using the ATM at the airport given the jacked up fees etc. I had a recollection that some board member had used the ATM at the same hotel where I am stayng with a positive review so I took it to be a safe bet. As expected I was prompted to go with a shitty pre-determined exchange rate for the withdrawal in USD which I quickly rejected so as to get the withdrawal in Reais and let Schwab handle the rest for me. What I didn't pick up on in my tiredness / jetlag is the amount listed for the service fee from the ATM for the transaction. My eyes and my mind told me that for the R2,300 withdrawal it was R30 (6). I withdrew my cash and was on my merry way, though I did think the $509 withdrawal notification alert from my account was high, I was too focused on getting myself balls deep in Brazilian pussy to worry too much at the time. When I looked carefully at my receipt this morning I realized, what I thought was a R30 charge, was really are $309 - that's close to $60 USD on a withdrawal of around $450. I'm not even going to bother with the poor conversion rate in relation to the XE rate that I got. I have since read some posts mostly on the Rio forum about such BS and the recommendation is to withdraw from Bradesco or Santander. If there are any better options that myself and other newbies can use, please share.

Please let us know how this all works out. Schwab is suppose to rebate the ATM fee. I have never tested the limit of this rebate. Regardless of the Schwab rebate, I generally avoid using ATMs at hotels, airports and clubs because they overcharge for the convenience. So I stick to major bank ATMs usually at a branch.

[WyattEarp]

Considering Sao Paulo's status as the financial capital of SP / Brazil and even South America for that matter it does surprise me that there isn't really a lot sport cars or luxury cars in the city. I've only seen a few BMWs, Range Rovers and Porsches in the wild and the few supercars I've seen were parked in the scadallo parking garage. As a Florida native its not uncommon to see a 1909 Ford Model T driving down the road with a 2023 Ferrari Daytona SP3 on it's tail. Even taking a trip to the Holy Temple of the local Publix Supermarket you'll see some Rolls and Bentleys sprinkled around the parking lots.

I know Sao Paulo and Brazil isn't exactly as prosperous as old money cities in the US but it's still a HUGE international financial hub so that always surprised me when staying in Sao Paulo. I've been there 5 times now and I usually stay 2 weeks on average so that part always stands out for me as I am a car enthusiast.

Interesting observation.

I know a few affluent Paulistas. Not uber wealthy by any means. My observation is that they are very sensitive about security and transportation. They drive decent but practical cars. If we go out drinking at night, they have private car services that they know and use. They will never use taxis or ubers.

These are just my anecdotal observations. I never had a conversation with them about sports cars or luxury cars.

[The Cane]

Doing Individual Reports on some boates I've visited during my September Trip. Casarao is my new favorite place in Sao Paulo. The place opens at 10 pm but girls don't start pouring in til 11:30 and the place is pretty packed at 12:30 so best bet is to come at midnight. I made the mistake of coming in at 10:30 pm. I went with a buddy who had been there before during his last trip and he didn't like it but it was open so we decided to check it out. They have completely renovated the space since he last came because he was impressed. Apparently it was a cheap local scene where guys would wear basketball shorts and tank tops and so attracted the sub par talent. New management completely changed that and made the place more upscaled without charging more. When we arrived there was only 10 girls. I asked one of the girls if more girls would come and she said they start coming in after 11 pm. Luckily we stayed to see and she was right. I saw a cute Ruiva walk past and so I chatted her up. She just came out from scandallo and told me that scandallo girls come here after their shift if they didn't land anyone or need some more cash as the entrance to come in is free before midnight for girls and 50 brl after which still isn't bad. So you can definitely see some solid 7's and 8's.

Wow seems like they have really taken things up a notch there! Will definitely have to check it out again. And as as far as I'm concerned your great report is more evidence that it would be a good idea to hit Scandallo earlier so you can go to Casarao later. Maybe you will see some of the same garotas and be able to run up in that bunda for less hehehe!

[Rogerrules]

Many thanks to Nounce, Axel Heyst, DreamCarnarvon, Bearsi, The Critic et al. I really appreciate the solid advice on how to go about things in Brazil and the different points of view from these fine gentlemen.

Brooklin Massagem: I went there yesterday afternoon and four girls were presented, one Ruiva, two brunettes and a black girl. The redhead was sexy and I was tempted but I ended up choosing the brunette named Duda as I recalled reading good reviews of her. 24 years old, very cute face with a plump body but I dug her. She happened to speak pretty decent English for a Brazilian clinica girl so that made the session a little more interesting. She gave an awesome BBBJ where I asked her to slow down and she engaged in some stellar BLS and literally made gentle love to my cock. Put the rubber on and we went at it in ppmm (papa mama which is Brazilian for missionary LOL) where I enjoyed looking at her pretty face and kissing her before I shot my load after 15 minutes. We had an engaging conversation until the buzzer rang and all in all an hour of my life that was well spent.

Scandallo: I plan on visiting today and will go with Axel's advice and pay the are $500 and try to experience the place at its peak after 10 PM, rather than getting in before 7 PM to save are $200. Don't want to be tired of the place before it really starts kickin, though judging from all the posts that would be unlikely. Even if I don't pull I hope to get some contacts for the slow days around New years for outcalls to my hotel.

Casarao: I'll definitely be visiting this club, given the high praise from Bearsi and other members as well as the cost effectiveness.

ATM scam: When I arrived in SP on Monday, I was weary of using the ATM at the airport given the jacked up fees etc. I had a recollection that some board member had used the ATM at the same hotel where I am staing with a positive review so I took it to be a safe bet. As expected I was prompted to go with a shitty pre-determined exchange rate for the withdrawal in USD which I quickly rejected so as to get the withdrawal in Reais and let Schwab handle the rest for me. What I didn't pick up on in my tiredness / jetlag is the amount listed for the service fee from the ATM for the transaction. My eyes and my mind told me that for the R2,300 withdrawal it was R30 (6). I withdrew my cash and was on my merry way, though I did think the $509 withdrawal notification alert from my account was high, I was too focused on getting myself balls deep in Brazilian pussy to worry too much at the time. When I looked carefully at my receipt this morning I realized, what I thought was a R30 charge, was really are $309 - that's close to $60 USD on a withdrawal of around $450. I'm not even going to bother with the poor conversion rate in relation to the XE rate that I got. I have since read some posts mostly on the Rio forum about such BS and the recommendation is to withdraw from Bradesco or Santander. If there are any better options that myself and other newbies can use, please share.

[Nounce]

Just some complementary information about Casarao, and this does not change a good report is a good report. I purposely stayed minutes walking distance away from Casarao for a month in my previous trip so I went there regularly just to experience it myself.

The room is R50 for 30 minutes, but according to locals they give you 10 minutes buffer so it is actually 40 minutes in total. I have not tested the 40 minutes limit. I paid by credit card once and it was R68 or R78 or something like that. It is much more than 10% so it was a surprise to me. Again, maybe it is 10% but it wasn't for me that one time. The girl also took me to the doorman for me to pay her by card but I refused and paid her by cash so that is a little weird too.

I think the room varies in size. I have only been to the small room which is about the size of 4 x4 room with smaller bed. It is cleaner than 4 x4.

One can pay R30 to enter without consumption. For R50, the extra R20 gives you two free beers. I met a few expats who are regulars. They are very efficient. They always pay $30 and pick a girl to fuck for 30 minutes.

The price the girl charges depending on the girls and appearance. Balboa said he paid 300 an hour but he is fluent in Portugueses and experienced. This is just a reference if you like to negotiate. I don't have the ability so I pay more. LOL

I was there (Casarao) on Thursday night. Each girl I talked to opened with a price of 250 for a half hour and 350 for the hour.

I went with 2 girls that night, separately.

Each girl I ended up paying 300 for the hour, BBBJ included, plus the room cost.
Definitely negotiate a little. They both said yes to 300 for an hour in an instant. Im thinking I could even ask for lower, but 300 seems fair for everyone.

Also, one of the girls I went with was telling me about her Euro namorado (boyfriend) that sends her money weekly.
She showed me their text messages professing love and saudades.
His contact name was Gringo, lol.
I asked her what she calls him in person, and she said, amor.
They have a nice Google translate love affair going.

Great time with each of the girls I sessioned with at Casarao.
Not looking for a girlfriend there though, lol.

The picture shows the hotel next door. When you leave, and want to re-enter later, they will give you a bracelet, then you can reenter without being charged again.

It is a good idea to ask the girl if they do BBBJ if you must have it.

If one is here during weekend, and is interested a little more about local culture. Are Augusta has many clubs, you can venture out walking toward west to people watch. That will help you kill some time.

[Nounce]

Considering Sao Paulo's status as the financial capital of SP / Brazil and even South America for that matter it does surprise me that there isn't really a lot sport cars or luxury cars in the city...

I think it is relative. One will see Sao Paulo is well above the other Latin America cities if one compares Sao Paulo to Medeliin Colombia, for example. It will be very obvious.

[Nounce]

...But I disagree with #3. The whole Raison-d'etre of Scandallo is to experience (see, roam around & choose from) the large, ....

If there is one recommendation, I would say go early in the trip, instead of later.

Given the context, I was providing information for alternative, sort of nudging him to go ahead, and it is not about the best time to go. I am no longer certain about the best nights based on my personal experience. I think Thursday is reliable, but other nights I am not so sure. The best night I have been to is Wednesday when I have to wait for room. The worst night is also Wednesday when the club area is at least 1/3 empty with outdoor area closed and all regulars are missing. I have reported both here.

[The Critic]

Doing Individual Reports on some boates I've visited during my September Trip. Casarao is my new favorite place in Sao Paulo.
I went during the end of my stay in Sao Paulo which is unfortunate but after the first visit I went every night.

Excellent and accurate reporting for Casarao. Newbies, the only way to get better knowledge is to go yourself.