South Africa

[Gbawekanu]

I am visiting Johannesburg for work for the next month and would like to meet semi-pro or regular girls.

I will be staying in Sandton and was wondering if anyone here has any advice about how to use Instagram to meet girls and how to approach them.

I am also planning to check out NewsCafe in Rosebank and Sandton.

Additionally, if any members are in town, we can roll together.

[Mongmann]

First thanks to everyone for the Joburg Intel regarding these two spots. I visited them both on the same night in mid January. I believe it was a Fri night. Took an Uber to Summit. The driver says he lives in the area so he was comfortable going. However, when you leave you must use one of the taxi waiting outside which I had no issue with. I arrived around 10 pm. I get inside and paid I believe a 50 rand entrance fee. Phat asses where in abundance just like I like them. A few beggars that I had no interest in but generally a decent line up if you like a nice phat ass, obviously. The place I guess is Joburg's version of a strip club. A few chicks offered me up to come back to there room but generally I saw what I would typically see in a strip club here at home accept a lot less tipping and "making it rain" which is great because I can't stand that shit. I had a few beers and stayed for maybe 2 hours but ultimately didn't see anything that got me going. Make sure to check out both areas if you go. There is a less crowded area of the club where girls are dancing in the back that's cool. There's also food back there which I wouldn't even dream of touching. I DO NOT eat at these type of spots. Anyway, after a few hours I decided to head out and check out Royal Park. Jumped in a taxi that was sitting outside. Car was a piece of shit but it didn't matter as Royal Park was prob only 5 min away.

Arrived at Royal Park maybe around midnight. I believe I was charged 50 rand again to get in. This place was much bigger and had significantly more girls. Ass everywhere and I liked the talent. Just from the one experience I def prefer Royal Park. There's just more talent there and they seem to be more to the point with the "hotel" right upstairs. This place is an ass man's dream. I grabbed prob that phattest ass I've ever hit and we went upstairs to her room. The room was borderline trash but that didn't matter much. I got some lazy head and hit her from the back for the rest of the time. I was maybe in there 15 min. She laughably laid on her back at first as if I was going to hit missionary. LOL! Come on let's be serious. With a truck ass like hers it would be just ridiculous for me to be in any other position besides doggie. Cost was 200 rand. I went back down and looked around for maybe 30 min and left.

Overall like I said I prefer Royal Park. A couple of things I will say. First, these places are in the hood, not the rap hood, but the fuckin hood, so keep your eyes open and stay alert. Just like you guys said I got in a taxi waiting right out front when I left. I'm not even really sure how safe that is as I've heard car jacking are not uncommon but maybe and hopefully they don't mess with the taxi drivers. Second, the primary costs involved with a night out at either of these spots is the transportation. The damn taxis are more than the girls. LOL! I believe my taxi back to my hotel was 300 rand. I mean from a USD perspective it's still dirt cheap so no big deal.

All in all good time. From my short experience in Joburg it seems like it there is PLENTY of opportunity to take down tons of chicks outside of the hobby. 99% of all other women I had conversation with were very friendly. Ie you'll get a lot of play if you just put forth a decent amount of effort. However, a spot like royal park is def a good place to have in your back pocket especially since it's so cheap.

[BJohnson2004]

QUESTION.

Any know of a Massage place where the girls might have a better chance of offering maybe Covered Oral BJ also (not looking for full sex per the rules we follow).

I prefer a place like a Spa or Massage studio but I could also visit an apartment. I tried search all the web site suggested here but there are so many unknowns, was hoping for a suggestion of someone that actually visited.

TRIP REPORT.

I did the Singa Studios right before Covid hit.

Very good, Full Touch all Nude, you can touch both.

BUT.

It was limited to Touching only nothing more.

Well worth it, you also get to massage the girl but can not insert into "the crack" just rub outside front.

Girl selections where amazing, you get what you pay for of course quality wise. Photos are real.

BONUS QUESTION.

Anyone also suggest one for Couples, a Man and a Women? Apartment near the CBD or V&A also good. There are so many on the web site, just can't figure out what is good. Looking for mature.

[Zakmo]

Staying in Hatfield to collect a visit in one of the Consulates nearby, I was anticipating a subdued week, with perhaps finding something online -- but it wasn't necessary. There's a University, the town is full of girls, and guesthouses to take them. What they expect varies a lot, so probe pricing beforehand to prevent a surprise. And also, approach carefully out of sight of any guys, around which they act totally different. I'll be returning soon and looking forward to it this time. Eastwood's good for food and drink evenings.

Can you explain more about your time in Hatfield? Where were you finding the girls and what what were some of them asking for?

[Mongmann]

The best time to go is about 9 or 10. That's when they got the most girls. With that said you can still find some good action in the day time.

Got it. Thanks!

[Golfinho]

Staying in Hatfield to collect a visit in one of the Consulates nearby, I was anticipating a subdued week, with perhaps finding something online -- but it wasn't necessary. There's a University, the town is full of girls, and guesthouses to take them. What they expect varies a lot, so probe pricing beforehand to prevent a surprise. And also, approach carefully out of sight of any guys, around which they act totally different. I'll be returning soon and looking forward to it this time. Eastwood's good for food and drink evenings.

[CkNice11]

Brothers, I have a quick question regarding Summit and Royal Park in Johannesburg. What is the best time to go there? Or does it really matter? I'm asking because I would like to go over there during the day but I'm not sure if the selection of women will be where I want it to be at the time. I believe Summit says they're open starting at 10 am. Your thoughts? I've read back a good ways and I don't see any reports that speak to the time of day people went. Thanks.

The best time to go is about 9 or 10. That's when they got the most girls. With that said you can still find some good action in the day time.

[Mongmann]

Brothers, I have a quick question regarding Summit and Royal Park in Johannesburg. What is the best time to go there? Or does it really matter? I'm asking because I would like to go over there during the day but I'm not sure if the selection of women will be where I want it to be at the time. I believe Summit says they're open starting at 10 am. Your thoughts? I've read back a good ways and I don't see any reports that speak to the time of day people went. Thanks.

[DgWarMyMan82]

Ahhh, a Passport Bro that is done with Brazil LOL. Just kidding my man. I totally understand where you're coming from. I'm also in the US and black outside of making good money, US offers less and less for us. African continent with good funds offers more in terms of quality of life.

South Africa I think you'll be good for, especially Joburg / Jozi. Very cosmopolitan and good infrastructure. Best of the West but the freedom of Africa. And you, as a black man, should do well granted you dress well, are in decent shape and know how to talk to women. People speak English here so much better than Brazil, DR or Colombia that other black folks are flocking to.

South Africa is good to relocate but there will be crime and this is still a racist society. Difference is the black far out number the whites. And you, as an American, will be somewhat shielded from the issues native black South africans face. I suggest an 'in between' type of set up where you spend like 8 months in SA then 4 months across maybe the US and some other location.

Now onto SA women. SA is known for having some of the curviest if not curviest women in the world. Google 'Tits in Tops South Africa' and just follow that thread to see what I'm talking about. They are thick but you will see a lot of BBWs and SSBBWs, even if they have the shape (thick thighs, phat ass, big boobs), so just know that. But there are still a plethora of slim thick chicks out there..

Well, sad to say, I think I am done with Brazil once I leave here for SA. It was a nightmare getting situated here with all the bureaucracy and scams. Then after about 3 months, I was able to move out of Airbnb's into an apartment which was the biggest mistake. I moved into a beachfront condominium in Barra the Tijuca, the upscale area to the west of the tourist areas such as Copacabana. Anyway, the condominium was gated with armed security and cameras throughout the building and so I thought I was good. Well, I didn't notice until about 4 months later that several of my things were missing such as clothes, kitchen items, electronic accessories, et cetera. Once I realized that the condominium staff had been stealing from me then other things began to make sense. For example, I bought an air mattress when I first moved-in to hold me over until I could find a bed. Strangely, within 3 days the mattress was completely flat but at the time I thought it was due to poor quality. Moreover, someone intentionally poked it with a needle. I also thought things in my refrigerator were placed different from how I left them but was never really sure. What I later realized is they were tampering with my food and ice machine maker, basically attempting to poison me. Well, once I realized all this, I contacted the owner of the apartment who then played it off, saying that she'd never heard of anyone's apartment being robbed before. The she wanted to know who I thought was responsible which was very odd to me. When I confronted the condominium staff, they quoted things I told her in their counterargument, which made it obvious the entire situation was a setup. Long story short, I've basically had to stay inside for the last 8 months due to real concerns over what these people might attempt to do if I leave for an extended period. Besides that, I'm just exhausted with Brazil. I feel like you can't ever just relax here because there's always someone trying to run a scam.

Anyway, everything you said sounds great. It's definitely what I'm looking for. I'm aware and fine with the crime situation. It definitely won't be any worse than what I've had to deal with here in Brazil. The infrastructure is definitely what sold me. I like the new apartments around the Midrand area and the modern security such as biometrics entry and professionalized security staff. I'm also aware of the racism in SA but I don't think it'll be any worse than here in Brazil. And I'm almost sure if I do encounter any prejudice that it won't be anything close to the blatant hate that I've experienced here in Brazil. Just to put that into perspective, I've been traveling since 2003 with visits to more than 30 countries and more than 15 years living abroad. That said, Brazil is the most racist and shady country I've ever been to and there isn't even a close second. I honestly like the fact that SA isn't a hotspot for Passport Bros, mainly because the distance and flight time. I think places such as Brazil, Colombia, and DR have been mostly ruined because so many people have travelled to those countries over the years and created a certain stigma among the locals. I think it's to the point now that you can't really trust anything in these places because I hear similar horror stories about Colombia and DR as well.

Thanks for the suggestion on splitting time between SA and the states but I'm moving there fulltime. I'm from California and just don't have the energy to live between two places at this point, especially not with the distance between SA and the states. However, I do plan to travel around to other African countries once I get settled, seeing as Africa is the only continent that I haven't visited yet. I'll definitely send you a PM once I get closer to relocating there. I'm still a few months out from leaving Brazil. I still need a few months to figure out a plan to ship my things and to closeout everything here. After that, I'll have to go back to the states to do the visa process for permanent residence before I'm ready to relocate. Right now, I'm thinking that I won't be in SA until the 3rd quarter of 2023 at the earliest but definitely before the end of the year.

[Zakmo]

Thanks a lot for the info. By the way, I'm African-American and so I appreciate the tip on race and relationships. That's part of the reason I'm moving to South Africa to be honest. Long story short, Brazil has been a nightmare for me due to its issues with racism / colorism. It's easy to meet women here but it's everything else that's the problem. It's one of those places that's great for a temporary stay but once you live here everything changes. Anyway, I'm just looking for a new country where I can live without always looking over my shoulder with concerns about xenophobic and racist locals, crime, and thereat there's a high quality-of-life. Along with beautiful women. I've chosen South Africa mainly due to the high standard of living and modern infrastructure although I still don't know much about the women there. I tried doing some scouting using Tinder and other dating apps just to see what the women look like but the results have been very disappointing thus far. It seems like attractive women (in South Africa) don't use dating apps because all I predominately see are 'big girls' looking for a date. I won't lie that does concern me a bit but at this point my first priority is improving my quality-of-life versus the mistake I made with moving to Brazil with women as the priority.

Ahhh, a Passport Bro that is done with Brazil LOL. Just kidding my man. I totally understand where you're coming from. I'm also in the US and black outside of making good money, US offers less and less for us. African continent with good funds offers more in terms of quality of life.

South Africa I think you'll be good for, especially Joburg / Jozi. Very cosmopolitan and good infrastructure. Best of the West but the freedom of Africa. And you, as a black man, should do well granted you dress well, are in decent shape and know how to talk to women. People speak English here so much better than Brazil, DR or Colombia that other black folks are flocking to.

South Africa is good to relocate but there will be crime and this is still a racist society. Difference is the black far out number the whites. And you, as an American, will be somewhat shielded from the issues native black South africans face. I suggest an 'in between' type of set up where you spend like 8 months in SA then 4 months across maybe the US and some other location.

Now onto SA women. SA is known for having some of the curviest if not curviest women in the world. Google 'Tits in Tops South Africa' and just follow that thread to see what I'm talking about. They are thick but you will see a lot of BBWs and SSBBWs, even if they have the shape (thick thighs, phat ass, big boobs), so just know that. But there are still a plethora of slim thick chicks out there.

With dating apps, the same rule applies in SA and in any other country. The best of the best women won't be there for long or usually aren't on there. The top tier chicks you'll usually just see on ground (malls, clubs, social venues etc). Africa is still largely boots on the ground type thing. Think about it, a 10/10 chick doesn't need to stay too long at a bar before someone chats them up.

I'm actually headed back to SA in a few months. I'd be happy to give you some pointers as well, PM me and we can exchange emails. If you read this SA thread / forum you'll see there was another Black american brother that went to SA for the first time after doing a lot of DR and Colombia I believe, dude said SA is the spot.

[DgWarMyMan82]

Like any other major cosmo city. Present well, interact well with women and you're fine. Women are fine with older relationships, but do keep in mind, if you're an older white man and looking to date younger attractive black women then you may run into a few issues here and there as some girls don't want to seen as sugar babies publicly and the biggest tip off is a white older man and younger black lady.

But generally speaking, go to the right lounges, social spots and you'll see women in spades.

Thanks a lot for the info. By the way, I'm African-American and so I appreciate the tip on race and relationships. That's part of the reason I'm moving to South Africa to be honest. Long story short, Brazil has been a nightmare for me due to its issues with racism / colorism. It's easy to meet women here but it's everything else that's the problem. It's one of those places that's great for a temporary stay but once you live here everything changes. Anyway, I'm just looking for a new country where I can live without always looking over my shoulder with concerns about xenophobic and racist locals, crime, and thereat there's a high quality-of-life. Along with beautiful women. I've chosen South Africa mainly due to the high standard of living and modern infrastructure although I still don't know much about the women there. I tried doing some scouting using Tinder and other dating apps just to see what the women look like but the results have been very disappointing thus far. It seems like attractive women (in South Africa) don't use dating apps because all I predominately see are 'big girls' looking for a date. I won't lie that does concern me a bit but at this point my first priority is improving my quality-of-life versus the mistake I made with moving to Brazil with women as the priority.

[Zakmo]

I'm a 40-year old American expat living in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil on a retirement visa but intend to relocate to South Africa in early-2024 on a permanent residence permit as a retiree. That said, I'd like some insight in terms of how easy is it to meet normal women in Johannesburg and / or other major cities in SA? Also, how do the younger women (mid-20's to early-30's) view relationships with older men in my age range (40-45)? I'd greatly appreciate any info anyone can offer.

Like any other major cosmo city. Present well, interact well with women and you're fine. Women are fine with older relationships, but do keep in mind, if you're an older white man and looking to date younger attractive black women then you may run into a few issues here and there as some girls don't want to seen as sugar babies publicly and the biggest tip off is a white older man and younger black lady.

But generally speaking, go to the right lounges, social spots and you'll see women in spades.

[DgWarMyMan82]

I'm a 40-year old American expat living in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil on a retirement visa but intend to relocate to South Africa in early-2024 on a permanent residence permit as a retiree. That said, I'd like some insight in terms of how easy is it to meet normal women in Johannesburg and / or other major cities in SA? Also, how do the younger women (mid-20's to early-30's) view relationships with older men in my age range (40-45)? I'd greatly appreciate any info anyone can offer.

[Param Ahmad]

"The South African government has introduced a plan to decriminalize prostitution, hoping to combat the growing violence against women. . . . It is hoped that decriminalization will reduce human rights violations against sex workers."

https://thecradlelife.com/legislatio...ony-ademiluyi/

[Boomshaka]

Wondering if anyone would advise on the Tinder and Seeking Arrangements scene in Cape Town. It it a long game, or are there plenty of fish in the sea? Also, any recommendations or directories on erotic massage in Cape Town -- not really into the escorting scene, but always appreciate a good rub and tug.

It's been a while since I partook in South Africa, but Escort South Africa was the go-to resource back then and, based on the current posts, it seems like little has changed.

Back then all escorts also offered massage and most were pretty good at it, too. They just charged the same as with full service so I never just did a rub / tug.

In terms of locals, I'm in the US and I regularly get matched with South Africans (specifically) on Bumble and that's without even trying. Not so much on Tinder, but that may be due to location settings. At any rate, I don't think you'll have any shortage of local women matching with you on either app.

That said, my experience with locals in South Africa is that they're very clingy and don't always put out. I ended up spending more connecting with locals than I did with professionals and the experience / performance was rarely as good. Towards the end of my travels there I connected with bar girls outside the bars. Just had to buy them food and perfume (or a nice outfit) and you were good for at least a week.