Sugar Life

[Steve 9696]

Well, scores of contacts and messages in the first week, majority of the messages stretching to the eloquence of "Hi, how are you" - ffs I make more effort than that, & I'm not the one trying to sell anything. Opened some communications but not acted on them yet.

Anyway, interested in your comment re threats & extortion. Was this just a threat to reveal identity to partner / employer (which I don't give a flying fuck about), or something a bit more sophisticated &/ or physical?

BTW thanks Steve9696, all makes sense.

But so far at least still prefer the clubbing scene.

Speedo.

I like the clubbing scene too. What I call the "buffet of girls". It's def a favorite kind of approach. But don't mistake it as an alternative to Seeking. Seeking is a completely different experience. Like a real life date. There's a bit of seduction involved. And it's more like date sex than hooker sex. It just has a whole different feel, particularly as you repeat with girls. There is true AFFECTION involved which is a whole different beast. Like when I hadn't seen my SA girl in a few weeks and she ran to me threw her legs around my waist and peppered me with kisses. It was indescribable.

And don't underestimate the repeatability factor. I can descend on a handful of cities and be assured of a GFE experience by just telling my girl I'm coming. Some of these girls go back 3-4 years and all ready to have a great overnight date (most bareback at this point) without any hassle. That's a great thing too!

But still love me the club scene for variety.

[SpeedoGhost]

I prefer to take the conversation offline as soon as possible and discuss the money offline.

SA has a lot of fake profiles. Also, some extortionists, so be careful of how much info you share before meeting. I know a friend who has been threatened and extorted on SA.

Well, scores of contacts and messages in the first week, majority of the messages stretching to the eloquence of "Hi, how are you" - ffs I make more effort than that, & I'm not the one trying to sell anything. Opened some communications but not acted on them yet.

Anyway, interested in your comment re threats & extortion. Was this just a threat to reveal identity to partner / employer (which I don't give a flying fuck about), or something a bit more sophisticated &/ or physical?

BTW thanks Steve9696, all makes sense.

But so far at least still prefer the clubbing scene.

Speedo.

[Steve 9696]

Hi guys, although not a fan of on-line mongering have finally taken the plunge with Seeking (obviously not an early adopter). Appreciate a couple of pointers from those who are more familiar with the site, either directly here in the open forum or to my PM:

* Rates when clubbing, usually stick to Dhs500ST or Dhs1,000 to 1,500 all night, less if from York or Ratsky (usually Dhs800 all night). Is this going to work with the Seeking girls? Impression I get is they will be looking for more, in some cases significantly more, especially with western / Russian / Caucasians? Am obviously not going to be paying the ridiculous amounts some posters have reported (eg Dhs5 k) but what is realistic?

* How to raise the payment issue? Have seen posts about potentially getting banned. But many of the website bio's talk about "benefits" and "financial arrangements" so it can't be taboo. Assume best to switch to WhatsApp and if possible talk direct rather than message? And just make an offer (at levels given above?) - phrased as a "gift" - rather than asking what they expect. And if they shut it down immediately, move on?

* I've seen quite a few of the bio photos before on Tinder (especially those of the African beauty queens). They're fakes. I'd hoped Seeking would have been able to filter these out, but how prevalent is bait&switch? I'm guessing its usual on Seeking to meet for a drink or meal first, so if any of the girls offer immediate outcall then likely they're fakes?

Anyone looking at my previous posts should see that I'm not a manger, so appreciate any feedback.

So I wrote a guide to Seeking some years back but it's still mostly relevant. Outside the US you can be a bit more direct but guessing conservative Middle East is pretty much like USA. I've reproduced here wit minor edits. Good luck.

This is guide primarily for the USA, though I did Argentina and UK with similar approach. And this was written for fly-in and may need adjustment for hometown game. Others who have done more pro / liberal destinations like MDE or MTY may want to augment.

So how do you do it properly? I suppose this could vary widely depending on what you are after. But I am after a girl who FEELS like a girlfriend. She's affectionate, appreciates an evening above her usual stature in life, and is able to actually enjoy herself with you. She views the allowance / gift (I. E. Money!) as a bonus. Not the only thing she is after. Any girl where I feel money is the primary motivation and she will go with anyone for a high enough price, gets kicked straight to the curb. She's got to be a girlfriend first, and benefit second.

Knowing that this is the kind of girl I want to attract (and other guys I have talked to also find this persona the most attractive) there is a set of rules you chave to play by. Understand that SA is NOT AT ALL like picking up hookers. It is much more like meeting a girl into a bar and seducing her to leave with you. It's just an online bar. Sure you need money, but you also need some distance game and you need to treat her with respect. If you do, you have a chance of closing the deal. However, the moment you disrespect her, she will be gone.

Most importantly, never discuss sex or money. These things will be implied and they will be done offline. Never discuss sex or money on SA and really never discuss sex at all. As soon as you are that explicit, the kind of girl you are after will feel disrespected and ghost you in no time flat.

So start with some light chat and flirt. Your opener should be something specific to her that you read in her profile -- not something generic. And ALWAYS end every message with a question. This prompts her to respond. If you don't ask a question, she will not take the initiative -- the conversation will just die. You have to drive it -- and you drive with questions. Get her to tell you a few things about herself -- what she likes to eat, her favorite wine, dog or cat person -- It doesn't really matter-- just something that will get her to engage a bit.

At some point you will establish that you like each other reasonably enough and one or the other will suggest to take the conversation off of SA and over to text. If she wants to take you there in the first few exchanges, she is probably a hooker. If she doesn't ask for a pic pretty early on, she is probably a hooker. (Though I have found SA virgins too shy to ask sometimes, so I offer). Often, I am the one to suggest going over to private phone text. You can keep it pretty innocuous, saying you notice she is not on often and it might be easier to connect up by text. Outside US you can push to WhatsApp quicker.

Once over to text, you can discuss allowance / gifts (never "her price" or "how much you charge") though some guys leave that for in person dates. Because I am a fly-in guy and want to close the deal -- I. E. Go to the room and have sex the very first night, I prefer to get this elephant out of the room before the date if possible. But again, you can't go straight here. Start first with how you see the date going.

I usually say something about going out and having an epic time and if the chemistry is right spending some private time (or intimate time or adult time -- insert your favorite euphemism -- but never say SEX! And ask if that sounds about right to them. Most often they will be down with this description -- I mean we are all on SA for a reason.

This opens the door for the pricing discussion. I usually say something like "Of course I'the want to give you a gift. Did you have something in mind?" and the negotiation is underway. As of this writing, with A LOT of searching and false starts I'the say most big cities post COVID you are going to have to pay 500 for a pretty girl (lots will ask more) with SF and NYC even that might be hard. $400 is more like it for second tier cities.

Once you have established "we are going to have sex, right" -- without saying it -- and money discussion out of the way, you should be good to go. Just keep on with the flirty texts without being too frequent, clingy or annoying and then meet up at the appointed day and time. More often than not, if you are not terribly objectionable looking, have a little bit of charm, and follow the "let's get out of here" model you might use with a regular pickup, you will end up in the room with your girl and have a rocking time.

[ClitLover2012]

I prefer to take the conversation offline as soon as possible and discuss the money offline.

SA has a lot of fake profiles. Also, some extortionists, so be careful of how much info you share before meeting. I know a friend who has been threatened and extorted on SA.

Hi guys, although not a fan of on-line mongering have finally taken the plunge with Seeking (obviously not an early adopter). Appreciate a couple of pointers from those who are more familiar with the site, either directly here in the open forum or to my PM:

* Rates when clubbing, usually stick to Dhs500ST or Dhs1,000 to 1,500 all night, less if from York or Ratsky (usually Dhs800 all night). Is this going to work with the Seeking girls? Impression I get is they will be looking for more, in some cases significantly more, especially with western / Russian / Caucasians? Am obviously not going to be paying the ridiculous amounts some posters have reported (eg Dhs5 k) but what is realistic?

* How to raise the payment issue? Have seen posts about potentially getting banned. But many of the website bio's talk about "benefits" and "financial arrangements" so it can't be taboo. Assume best to switch to WhatsApp and if possible talk direct rather than message? And just make an offer (at levels given above?) - phrased as a "gift" - rather than asking what they expect. And if they shut it down immediately, move on?

* I've seen quite a few of the bio photos before on Tinder (especially those of the African beauty queens). They're fakes. I'd hoped Seeking would have been able to filter these out, but how prevalent is bait&switch? I'm guessing its usual on Seeking to meet for a drink or meal first, so if any of the girls offer immediate outcall then likely they're fakes?

Anyone looking at my previous posts should see that I'm not a manger, so appreciate any feedback.

[SpeedoGhost]

Hi guys, although not a fan of on-line mongering have finally taken the plunge with Seeking (obviously not an early adopter). Appreciate a couple of pointers from those who are more familiar with the site, either directly here in the open forum or to my PM:

* Rates when clubbing, usually stick to Dhs500ST or Dhs1,000 to 1,500 all night, less if from York or Ratsky (usually Dhs800 all night). Is this going to work with the Seeking girls? Impression I get is they will be looking for more, in some cases significantly more, especially with western / Russian / Caucasians? Am obviously not going to be paying the ridiculous amounts some posters have reported (eg Dhs5 k) but what is realistic?

* How to raise the payment issue? Have seen posts about potentially getting banned. But many of the website bio's talk about "benefits" and "financial arrangements" so it can't be taboo. Assume best to switch to WhatsApp and if possible talk direct rather than message? And just make an offer (at levels given above?) - phrased as a "gift" - rather than asking what they expect. And if they shut it down immediately, move on?

* I've seen quite a few of the bio photos before on Tinder (especially those of the African beauty queens). They're fakes. I'd hoped Seeking would have been able to filter these out, but how prevalent is bait&switch? I'm guessing its usual on Seeking to meet for a drink or meal first, so if any of the girls offer immediate outcall then likely they're fakes?

Anyone looking at my previous posts should see that I'm not a manger, so appreciate any feedback.

[SuperMan26]

So now I am flaking on many SBs who seem to want a ppm + free meals / drinks at high end places.

As an Arab, preferring Arabs, I have been chatting with a Moroccan SB for quite sometime and we always rescheduled. On that day, I had a casual date planned with one polish SB, we agreed we're just going for drinks to have fun as friends as I didn't like her ppm of 2 k. Just an hour before, the Moroccan SB asks me if I'm free, she asked for 2. 5 k, ridiculous, told her my limit is 1 k but I will do 1. 5 k only for you. Apologized for the polish lady and sent her flowers (don't burn bridges man, 300 AED flower box will ensure you get her hooked next time). Met the Moroccan for drinks at bar near my home, just for a vibe, hygiene, look check. All good, looks better in person, and has many fantasies which I liked. So we're back to my apartment, after playing with her while driving home.

First shot best sloppy BBBJ I had in my life. Spent 3 hours chatting drinking and cuddling at my place. Tried the second one, but damn man, with stress at work I had erection problems. Just another BJ to get me finished. She was not willing to leave and wants to sleep at my home, but I am just not in the mood for that, got work 9 in the morning and also for safety reasons. Ordered her a taxi. It was a great 7 hours with her.

I have another Lebanese SB for Thursday night, but looks I will also flake on her.

[SuperMan26]

Chatting with few SBs at the moment, one Moroccan that I met yesterday, who claimed to be on her period once I did not agree going to GAL in address hotel for drinks.

She didn't want to look awful, so agreed that we go to a bar of my choice, LOL. Went to some nice bar, 2 whiskey shots for me and 2 cheap wine glasses that I selected for her. Total damage 1. 5 HR of my time and 230 dirhams, not bad, haha. I enjoyed my time as I was already drunk and did not have any plans of going out anyway.

Lebanese SB, beautiful, very private and hesitates to share non-disappearing photos. I will meet her later this week.

Few others, I'm just shortlisting, too many choices and I'm distracted.

Dubai is just flooded with hungry SBs that agree to 1-1. 5 K PPM which is OK for me as long as she's clean, nice, and will satisfy my needs.

See you in another report soon! Cheers.

[Mad Hatter]

She selected an extremely overpriced joint, the type that sprinkles salt as a trademark.

If anyone looks to eat at Saltbae, I take that as a red flag. That restaurant is a place for sinfluencers and wannabes. Some of the worst food that only sells because of social media hype. Shows me that the girl has no taste. Any girl who wants to go to Saltbae is a girl I want nothing from.

[Mad Hatter]

I'm recently seeing a lot of SA profiles with this tag line or sometimes in the body of the text asking how one would impress her. Am I missing something here. I am the one going to pay for a date, dinner and for time in the sack and I need to impress you?? Seriously?

Yeah the "Impress Me" shit really annoys me. Like, you are the one interviewing / trying out for this position. I am the one with the money. If anything, you need to impress me.

[Blood Red]

I think he's saying she wants to have dinner at a really expensive place and PPM just for that meet with no time in the bedroom. Which as we all agree is just crazy!! Where do these girls get these ideas?

Well, IF that's the case, then yes, he should walk away as that is indeed nuts. That girl needs her head examined LOL.

[PopamRaj]

I'm recently seeing a lot of SA profiles with this tag line or sometimes in the body of the text asking how one would impress her. Am I missing something here. I am the one going to pay for a date, dinner and for time in the sack and I need to impress you?? Seriously?

[PopamRaj]

Either my reading comprehension skills suck, or you just contradicted yourself.

Or did she insist on a PPM for just dinner and discussion? If that is the case, then you can clearly tell her to fuck off, but you haven't mentioned such a scenario in your post, unless like I said my reading comprehension skills suck.

I think he's saying she wants to have dinner at a really expensive place and PPM just for that meet with no time in the bedroom. Which as we all agree is just crazy!! Where do these girls get these ideas?

[LocalMode12]

Either my reading comprehension skills suck, or you just contradicted yourself.

I wasn't clear. At the start I told her I wanted a PPM relationship, she said sure, OK. Lets discusses at dinner. I said fine, booked the reservation. Yesterday I asked her if she can host, she said she doesn't do PPM for atleast a month or so, and after multiple dinners to get to know each other. I responded with I'm not on this app for multiple dinner dates, to which she responded her PPM is 7 k. Which is ridiculous. Bullet dodged.

[Blood Red]

Quick question, I recently agreed a dinner date, to see 'if we click, and can discuss further, a mutual benefit relationship' with a 'real estate broker'. She selected an extremely overpriced joint, the type that sprinkles salt as a trademark. Which is fine, I don't mind eating out, provided I get to eat in after, at my place or hers, for an additional agreed donation. (not exceed 1. 5 k PPM).

However she insists it's just dinner, and discussion. I'm not OK with that. What would you suggest.

Note. Europe is far more easier, Dubai SBs seem to live on a different planet.

Either my reading comprehension skills suck, or you just contradicted yourself.

In the first paragraph, you stated that you agreed with her to a dinner date to see if you click and can discuss further a FWB relationship and you both agreed and she selected an overpriced place for dinner which you are also OK with. Then you said she just wants dinner and discussion. Which is the same as what you agreed upon.

LOL. What am I missing her? Sounds like what you should have really agreed upon was a dinner date, discussion and a guarantee from her that whatever way the discussion goes, you'll get to fuck her with a PPM agreement.

Or did she insist on a PPM for just dinner and discussion? If that is the case, then you can clearly tell her to fuck off, but you haven't mentioned such a scenario in your post, unless like I said my reading comprehension skills suck.

[EdAdams]

Walk away! . Simples 😁.

Really? I mean seriously?

I don't understand for the life of me how you can expect to be paid an allowance just for a meeting? Get real! And stop wasting people's time.

Value is given for value received. There is no value exchange in a meet and greet. Hopefully you get a nice meal and enjoyable company, and if you don't have the entitlement mentality, perhaps a nice gift. Allowances don't start until the arrangement is consummated. If you can't understand this reality. Get off the site and go to WhatsYourPrice.com.

I think you're either delusional or in your dreams. But anyway, to each their own! Ping me when you snap out of it or when you wake up and we can take it from there.


IN MY EXPERIENCE - This clearly conveys that you’re not a simp and a no-nonsense SD. Most of them were willing to meet after that message with the exception of obvious time wasters.