Pattaya Reports

**Explorer8939** · 06-30-23 05:36

Originally Posted by BionicMan [View Original Post]

I agree.

A real civvy girl, employed in whatever serious and regular job, can't simply disappear from the office for 1-2-3 weeks depending on the wish of the guy she met (how did she meet him?

Unless she takes officially days off from her job (yearly leave) and for which she is paid anyhow. This can happen in a normal relationship, making it like a holiday together.

By the way, will the guy be #1 of the year, or #5?

What's so special she decides to use her days off to spend with the guy?

Why then money should be involved?

Are we paying a girl to compensate her for the missed work in our country?

No, because this situation will not happen. At the best it can be a weekend together, ie not missed work.

The ladies I have been going with live in the village, and do odd jobs. Plus, they have Thai husbands.

So, they can leave whenever they want.

**BionicMan** · 06-30-23 05:32

Originally Posted by MrEnternational [View Original Post]

Then you have to define what a substantial portion is. I do not know anyone who holds certain qualifications, but can only hold the title of that job if they derive x amount of money from doing that job. I grew up doing carpentry work. Every so often I may pick up a small job from someone. Are you telling me I can not be considered a carpenter since I do not make much money from it these days; nevermind me having a garage full of the tools of the trade?

If someone actually has a regular job like that then they most certainly can not take time off simply because you said you want them to spend time with you. In addition, they more than likely would not be making 1000 baht per day. I do not know any chick with a normal job that would not think it a bit strange for me to hand them 5000 baht because we returned from being in Koh Samui for 5 days. They would be like what is this money for?

Maybe she is not a P4 P girl, but it seems that is what you are making her out to be by giving her cash for spending time with you. Would she have gone if you were not going to give her cash? If yes, then I do not see the need to bring money into it. If no, then I can't see her being not a hooker.

I would never have a live in girlfriend, much less one that did not work. If a chick is living with me then she will have to pitch in just the same. I do not need anyone just taking up space and being an extra bill for me. Give her a couple of bills to pay, and the rest of her money she can do with how she pleases. But I am definitely not a rest haven for chicks.

We used to always eat at this restaurant. I never thought much of the waitress until one day Cool showed me her facebook page and she was all done up on a lot of the pictures. I was blown away. Eventually I saw her on Thai Friendly and we started talking and going out and she has been coming over spending the night for years now. She has never asked me and I have not given her for 1 baht all this time. Sometimes she even gives me her motorbike to drive around and I have my own damn motorbike. The other week ago I had stopped by the gogo to see my girl who is a cashier there. As I was coming out I saw the waitress and her friends. I was headed home and they said they were going to 808. I gave her 1000 baht and told her to have fun. That is a civvy!

I agree.

A real civvy girl, employed in whatever serious and regular job, can't simply disappear from the office for 1-2-3 weeks depending on the wish of the guy she met (how did she meet him?

Unless she takes officially days off from her job (yearly leave) and for which she is paid anyhow. This can happen in a normal relationship, making it like a holiday together.

By the way, will the guy be #1 of the year, or #5?

What's so special she decides to use her days off to spend with the guy?

Why then money should be involved?

Are we paying a girl to compensate her for the missed work in our country?

No, because this situation will not happen. At the best it can be a weekend together, ie not missed work.

**EihTooms** · 06-30-23 04:40

Originally Posted by HorseTrader [View Original Post]

In my book, to be a P4P girl she needs to derive a substantial portion of her income from the sex trade.

Supposed you meet a girl (online or in person), get to know her over a period of days to months without money involved, and then ask her to miss some time from work to be with you. Then you spend a week to a month with her and you know that her missed work has caused financial stress. What do you do? In that situation I give her money to compensate for money lost because she didn't work. If her normal work day nets her 1000 baht, I'll give her 1000 baht per day with me. I want to compensate her for lost work, but I don't want her to think of me as the golden ticket. Do you consider that girl a P4P girl? I don't.

Now suppose you have a live in girlfriend who does not work. You pay all of her expenses (food, rent, clothes, etc.). Do you consider her a P4P girl? I don't.

I don't consider a girl in your scenario to be a P4 P girl. She is a civvie. Particularly if the reason she does not work or have a job is because you asked her to quit her job or to not take a job. It would be unfair to expect a lady in this environment that you / we want to hang out with, travel here and there with, stop everything to have lunch, dinner, explore and enjoy that kind of freedom with her at the drop of a hat, essentially to live the life of a retired expat with a sizable and guaranteed income stream when that is not her financial reality in any way, shape or form. So if we want her to behave that way for a long while, months, maybe years, for our convenience, pleasure and benefit, where is the money she is no longer making at her job in order to be our daily and nightly playmate supposed to come from? Should we only choose crusty old retired and monied ladies for our playmates?

Now, if a hole is a hole and the primary if not almost sole reason to spend any time with these ladies is to have sex with them otherwise we can't be bothered, of course, there is no reason to wait for any one of them to finish her regular job before we meet them or for one of those 3-day Thai holidays to come along before we can travel with them. At the worst possible time in terms of crowds and costs, BTW.

Bearing in mind there is a school of thought that considers anyone, male or female, who marries or establishes a regular relationship where sex is in the mix with someone who has more income and assets and who pays a greater than 50% share of expenses to be a "prostitute. " Some would even argue that if you had sex with a lady after buying her dinner she is a "prostitute". I might have even shared that opinion over the years. LOL.

But now I am an old, free-living retired expat with a guaranteed income stream that far surpasses that of virtually any non go-go girl, non escort, non P4 P, regular civvie girl I am likely to meet. I have spent the past decade or more experiencing hole after hole after hole on a daily and nightly basis here in Thailand and, lo and behold, have met a regular girl who has never worked as a P4 P girl, has barely even heard of ThaiFriendly or Tinder. She is 26, fluent in English, well-educated, sweet as they come, I would say adorably cute leaning well toward Lovely, is more sexually satisfying in every way that matters to me than all but the most rare P4 P girl or even regular girlfriend in my life and is a hell of a lot of fun and good company for anything we do together.

Overall, it is very much like the scenario you mentioned. I met her working in a restaurant. For the first several weeks it was dating, romance and sex with zero money in exchange for it. She had a job, not a great paying job, but a job. She paid all her own bills, rent and so on. Yes, I picked up the tab for dinner, movies, exploring, whatever. But she was adamant I would not be paying for the sex we had. She began to stay overnight at my place more than in her apartment, at my urging.

But, by god, I grew to hate her work schedule. It was interfering with our fun time together. Which days, which hours she worked, all day, many times until 2-3 am, the usual crappy young girl server in a late night restaurant-bar work schedule. I no longer wanted to fit my fun and my time with her around that crappy work schedule. Or much of any full time work schedule really. My crappy work schedule days are over. But if I wanted to be with her, which I did, and if I expected her to keep her job and pay her own bills, then I was back in a world of crappy work schedules.

So, at my urging, she reluctantly quit her job so she could hang out with me on my retired expat with a guaranteed income stream schedule. For how long? Who knows. It has only been 2-3 months so far. Oh, she is back to being a university student, taking language classes 1-2 days a week. It's great. She comes home in the afternoon wearing that black skirt and white blouse and it is a major violation of youth event I have to say she enjoys perhaps even more than I do. If that is possible. I replaced her monthly income at her old job, which roughly equaled about 1 week of my usual fuck and suck go-go girl and FL budget. I would have said getting it "free" is more expensive than paying for it. Not so. I am saving a ton of money in this arrangement. Also at my urging, she has kept her old apartment and pays the rent for it out of, to me, the relatively insignificant sum I give her each month.

No doubt about it, the one big thing neither she nor any one girl can provide me is variety. But so far I have not really missed fucking and getting blown by other girls. I prefer to be with her. Again, for how long? Who knows. Oh, I still have enough free hours here and there to squeeze in a pop with other girls in the area. Hell, I live in Thailand.

**LittleBigMan** · 06-30-23 02:41

Originally Posted by HorseTrader [View Original Post]

In my book, to be a P4P girl she needs to derive a substantial portion of her income from the sex trade.

Supposed you meet a girl (online or in person), get to know her over a period of days to months without money involved, and then ask her to miss some time from work to be with you. Then you spend a week to a month with her and you know that her missed work has caused financial stress. What do you do? In that situation I give her money to compensate for money lost because she didn't work. If her normal work day nets her 1000 baht, I'll give her 1000 baht per day with me. I want to compensate her for lost work, but I don't want her to think of me as the golden ticket. Do you consider that girl a P4P girl? I don't.

Now suppose you have a live in girlfriend who does not work. You pay all of her expenses (food, rent, clothes, etc.). Do you consider her a P4P girl? I don't.

I can only speak for myself LOL.

1. Agree,

2.. Freelancer.

3. This one is a bit more complicated, this is what I consider old-school thinking where the man provides everything while the woman stays home. I guess if you are well off rich and brought up that way it works knock yourself out. I personally don't have the responsibility I believe in a woman being strong enough that is willing to try to be independent and to work if something happens to me.

To me a woman who is willing to come to live not to work as you indicated might now be a P4 P, even a Freelancer in society as to how we were raised is close to being one. In my opinion sure we can label it love but even in a situation like Pacino, him being 80 plus and the woman 20? Who gets pregnant in my book being kind is a gold digger you can take that and conclude from there.

Like my dad use to say "You are just renting " until you have to buy the cow.

**Explorer8939** · 06-30-23 02:36

Originally Posted by VijayMohan [View Original Post]

Hi brothers,

Going to visit Pattaya for first time. Just learning via articles hire to pick-up a girl from bar. Well I assume 2-3 lady drinks needs to be offered?

Once you fix the amount for LT, when do you usually give the amount? When you reach the hotel or even the girl is about to leave next day? What ids the standard practice?

Do you dine and have a drink before going to hotel? Or you have it at hotel? Could be just silly questions. Please forgive. It's the first time.

There are any articles you suggest please share it. Thanks much.

Cheers.

Vijay.

I will usually buy a ladydrink and observe the lady before pulling trigger. I watch her body language.

Some ladies are only good for Short Time, they don't want to spend the night with a customer.

If you go Long Time, and it's still early, can dine before going to the hotel.

Watch out for the Key Trick, if the lady agrees to go all night.

**Explorer8939** · 06-30-23 01:07

Back in Pattaya after a short trip to Singapore.

Went to Hunny Lounge on Soi Honey, and bought drinks for a bargirl. Some customer who I don't know came up to me asked "How was Singapore?

I've been in Pattaya too long, I guess.

**Mr Enternational** · 06-29-23 23:43

Originally Posted by HorseTrader [View Original Post]

In my book, to be a P4P girl she needs to derive a substantial portion of her income from the sex trade.

Supposed you meet a girl (online or in person), get to know her over a period of days to months without money involved, and then ask her to miss some time from work to be with you. Then you spend a week to a month with her and you know that her missed work has caused financial stress. What do you do? In that situation I give her money to compensate for money lost because she didn't work. If her normal work day nets her 1000 baht, I'll give her 1000 baht per day with me. I want to compensate her for lost work, but I don't want her to think of me as the golden ticket. Do you consider that girl a P4P girl? I don't.

Now suppose you have a live in girlfriend who does not work. You pay all of her expenses (food, rent, clothes, etc.). Do you consider her a P4P girl? I don't.

Then you have to define what a substantial portion is. I do not know anyone who holds certain qualifications, but can only hold the title of that job if they derive x amount of money from doing that job. I grew up doing carpentry work. Every so often I may pick up a small job from someone. Are you telling me I can not be considered a carpenter since I do not make much money from it these days; nevermind me having a garage full of the tools of the trade?

If someone actually has a regular job like that then they most certainly can not take time off simply because you said you want them to spend time with you. In addition, they more than likely would not be making 1000 baht per day. I do not know any chick with a normal job that would not think it a bit strange for me to hand them 5000 baht because we returned from being in Koh Samui for 5 days. They would be like what is this money for?

Maybe she is not a P4 P girl, but it seems that is what you are making her out to be by giving her cash for spending time with you. Would she have gone if you were not going to give her cash? If yes, then I do not see the need to bring money into it. If no, then I can't see her being not a hooker.

I would never have a live in girlfriend, much less one that did not work. If a chick is living with me then she will have to pitch in just the same. I do not need anyone just taking up space and being an extra bill for me. Give her a couple of bills to pay, and the rest of her money she can do with how she pleases. But I am definitely not a rest haven for chicks.

We used to always eat at this restaurant. I never thought much of the waitress until one day Cool showed me her facebook page and she was all done up on a lot of the pictures. I was blown away. Eventually I saw her on Thai Friendly and we started talking and going out and she has been coming over spending the night for years now. She has never asked me and I have not given her for 1 baht all this time. Sometimes she even gives me her motorbike to drive around and I have my own damn motorbike. The other week ago I had stopped by the gogo to see my girl who is a cashier there. As I was coming out I saw the waitress and her friends. I was headed home and they said they were going to 808. I gave her 1000 baht and told her to have fun. That is a civvy!

**VijayMohan** · 06-29-23 21:21

Hi brothers,

Going to visit Pattaya for first time. Just learning via articles hire to pick-up a girl from bar. Well I assume 2-3 lady drinks needs to be offered?

Once you fix the amount for LT, when do you usually give the amount? When you reach the hotel or even the girl is about to leave next day? What ids the standard practice?

Do you dine and have a drink before going to hotel? Or you have it at hotel? Could be just silly questions. Please forgive. It's the first time.

There are any articles you suggest please share it. Thanks much.

Cheers.

Vijay.

**HorseTrader** · 06-29-23 21:12

Originally Posted by Explorer8939 [View Original Post]

For anyone wondering, I give civvies 2000 a night.

Originally Posted by MrEnternational [View Original Post]

Then that ain't a civvie!

Originally Posted by Explorer8939 [View Original Post]

I don't know what to call them. Don't work bar, don't live in Pattaya.

Originally Posted by LittleBigMan [View Original Post]

I think what is being a reference and I would agree if they don't work bar, living in Pattaya or not isn't relevant, if you are paying them then they aren't " Civvies " they are usually called Freelancers in many people's book.

Originally Posted by Banana Boi [View Original Post]

Hooker? Prostitute? Imagine going out with a non-P4P girl in USA and then handing her money after your real date? I went out with a RLD bartender in PP. I didn't know if I should pay her or not in the morning. I handed her money. She threw it back at me saying "I'm not a hooker!" and was very angry. Your "civvy" girl should have reacted the same way.

In my book, to be a P4P girl she needs to derive a substantial portion of her income from the sex trade.

Supposed you meet a girl (online or in person), get to know her over a period of days to months without money involved, and then ask her to miss some time from work to be with you. Then you spend a week to a month with her and you know that her missed work has caused financial stress. What do you do? In that situation I give her money to compensate for money lost because she didn't work. If her normal work day nets her 1000 baht, I'll give her 1000 baht per day with me. I want to compensate her for lost work, but I don't want her to think of me as the golden ticket. Do you consider that girl a P4P girl? I don't.

Now suppose you have a live in girlfriend who does not work. You pay all of her expenses (food, rent, clothes, etc.). Do you consider her a P4P girl? I don't.

**Banana Boi** · 06-29-23 12:52

Originally Posted by FrilledLugworm [View Original Post]

Hi folks. I'm a pretty regular guy, but I do have my kinky side, my main one being exhibitionism / voyeurism. Seeing other people have fun makes me want to have fun. Are there are any gogo bars, clubs, BJ bars, etc. In Pattaya where I can see other mongers getting serviced?

All Gentleman's clubs and BJ bars have the option of guys enjoying their girls right at the bar or on a sofa nearby. Don't think Soi 6 is an option for this any longer. Gogo bars with rooms upstairs are a thing of the past. None for over 5 years now.

Originally Posted by Explorer8939 [View Original Post]

I don't know what to call them. Don't work bar, don't live in Pattaya.

Hooker? Prostitute? Imagine going out with a non-P4P girl in USA and then handing her money after your real date? I went out with a RLD bartender in PP. I didn't know if I should pay her or not in the morning. I handed her money. She threw it back at me saying "I'm not a hooker!" and was very angry. Your "civvy" girl should have reacted the same way.

**LittleBigMan** · 06-29-23 12:49

Originally Posted by Explorer8939 [View Original Post]

I don't know what to call them. Don't work bar, don't live in Pattaya.

I think what is being a reference and I would agree if they don't work bar, living in Pattaya or not isn't relevant, if you are paying them then they aren't " Civvies " they are usually called Freelancers in many people's book.

**Chan Chalupa** · 06-29-23 05:54

Originally Posted by Explorer8939 [View Original Post]

I don't know what to call them. Don't work bar, don't live in Pattaya.

Prostitoot works for me.

I'm not Hating on them it's just a description of Thier job. I pay to see them. So Chill.

**Explorer8939** · 06-29-23 01:02

Originally Posted by MrEnternational [View Original Post]

Then that ain't a civvie!

I don't know what to call them. Don't work bar, don't live in Pattaya.

**Frankypanky** · 06-28-23 22:11

Originally Posted by YumiYum [View Original Post]

Hi guys, this will be my first visit to Pattaya next week. I want to know which massage saloon can offer me best massage and sex. Also I like going out, have a drink and catch a girl.

Dors anyone have advice for me about massage saloons and bars for girl? Thanks a lot.

For massage, Soi Pothole or soi chaiyapoon. You might try VIP Massage at Soi Bua Khao. Stay away from the soapy massage like Sabai or PP Massage. Total rip-offs!

To have a drink an catch a girl? Depends on where your hotel is? Don't pick up girls near your hotel. To keep a distance. Otherwise try TreeTown beerbarcomplex. If you have a bigger budget or a very good money-management, try some Agogo at Walking Street. Skip Skyfall, XS and Mamasan Agogo! Pick a smaller agogo like Tantra, Sharks or Bliss.