Bangkok Reports

[Banana Boi]

The problems and the costs are exactly why most of us residents avoid GoGos at all costs.

That's the beauty about actually living in Thailand. Anyone living in Thailand never has to pay a barfine. You get the girls to come over on their days off, before or after work. Always skip the expensive middleman.

Bottom line really is how much does a person feel comfortable spending on girls and drinks each night. Some may feel 2500 baht is the limit for a nights fun other may say 20,000 baht. I'm currently living in Japan and pay around 3000 baht per 15 minutes for a young slim extremely pretty top end pale skinned car show girl. My budget is no different than Thailand I just see way fewer girls.

[Steve 9696]

Here's full day one report out. Best day I suppose tho we had several good days.

Chris and I landed in the afternoon and planned to hit it hard. Chris is kinda a single shot, single venue kinda guy, but I was able to convince him to live on the edge! .

We figured let's go BJ bar for a day gig to release the tension. Then hit the gogos at night. The vibe I got from the forum is that Nana is better than Cowboy (and I now agree) so we planned that for the night venue. But since Chris's hotel was near Cowboy we figured we'the just get the lay of the land and wandered down Soi cowboy even tho most things were closed.

Happened upon a great Irish pub as you exit Cowboy at the far end — to the left and across the street. Large place called Gritty McDuffs or some such. Zillion Brit's and Aussies watching rugby. Played some pool upstairs and enjoyed a couple pints and some nachos and satay that was quite tasty. Recommend.

After that, decided to start slow with a veggie massage as we waited for things to open. Found a place that looked legit and had good reviews. 300 baht ($10) for an hour Thai massage. Love that! Very solid job by both ladies. We repeated the following day. Now, bodies all relaxed, we went to get our dicks relaxed.

We decided to check out Haven first because one of the board members liked it. But yikes. I guess we roll differently. Some 4-5's out front and dark and dingy inside with a random toddler roaming about. No thanks.

Went to 7-Heaven, not too far a walk away, where again a board member recommended (thanks guys!) where it's tablet format. They show you available girls on the iPad and they are pretty close to pics it turns out. Pricing is 1300 for BBBJ w / CIM standard and they have a few options — pretty sure Google maps pics shows price list but it's in Chinese! Funniest is there is small upcharge for COB and COF but CIM is free. Wtf? There is a note on the price list that says 40 minute time limit and one shot. Ok no problem.

I picked a real cutie who seemed in her twenties and was maybe just a bit thick but not problematically so. Beautiful face and lips and what great attentive service. Makes you feel like a king. The rooms are nice and clean and there is a mat bed on the floor. Doesn't seem at all dirty or dicey like say Kasalong. Nice place and worth the 500 baht premium over Lolita's or Kasalong for both facilities and girls, no contest.

Attentive dick wash in the sink and then the BJ was on. On my back for most of it and nice technique. She had nice firm tits I could access from time to time. When it took a long time to finish, we moved to me standing and her on her knees looking up submissively. Hands in her hair and a bit of direction (I like it slow) plenty of BLS and that did the trick. Rewarded her with some nice shots her mouth. Ahhhh, one down.

Kicked around a bit and eventually ended up at Nana plaza — only 5 min walk from my hotel. Sat at the big center bar and had a Jack and coke and a beer just shooting the shit and marveling at how great it is to be back. We got there at 7:59 and the barmaid was nice enough to give us the happy hour prices that expired at 8. There was a girl at the table across the aisle, outside Bunny, making strong eye contact as me and Chris drank. She was hot and had on cat ears (love that!) so we filed her for future reference.

Can't really remember where but I think we poked our heads in a few spots before deciding to hit the well recommended Billboard on the third level. Wow. It was hopping. The waitress seated us "pool side" if you will. There is a big Jacuzzi tub with foam in it and maybe ten girls doing the Bangkok shuffle on the platform adjacent to it and in the suds in the tub itself. Pretty good mix of fake tits and naturals and all pretty girls.

We spent quite some time marveling at this and just enjoying the vibe and drinking more. I will def say Billboard is very fair — no extra drink charges and not continuously pushing girls and girl drinks on you. If it's your thing you can prob just have a drink or two and ogle hotties and go whack off. Damage would be however many 180 baht ($6) drinks you have. That's it. Of course we had other plans.

This reminds me and I know all you pros know this but for the newbies. All the clubs bring a little wooden cup with your bill in it when you order. You don't need to pay right away. Each time you order they will add to it. But make SURE to check your bill esp after first drink and if you get ladies drinks. The less reputable clubs will try to tack shit on. So beware. Had this happen at Red Dragon but not Billboard, Butterflies, Crazy House, or Bunny.

OK. Back to the action. We really enjoyed Billboard. After a drink or two we moved to the revolving stage. I fucking love this. It's a round stage with slots for 12-15 girls at the perimeter. It rotates so you get to see every girl and about every 20 minutes they change out the lineup.

Night one they were wearing white and the camel toe was on point! You are looking up at all these pussies going by, plus make some eye contact if you want to, or just focus eye level and watch black stripper fuck-me heels of all kinds flood past. It's just epic. I could do this for hours. And did! Hahaha.

We eventually decided to check out Butterflies, as it came well recommended also. Very obvious same format, menu, and prices, but no revolving stage. On later reflection, we noticed almost NO silicone in here and wondered if that is sorta the requirement of management. Younger and more natural than Billboard.

Chris had been telling me he's a one shot guy and shot it at 7-Heaven. But I knew better. It took a bit but suddenly this little 24 year old pixie (4-11,80 lbs?) caught his eye and he was slain. Called her down and it was clear in five minutes that it was on and I needed to find my hottie.

I decided to take a tour of the other stage and see what was on offer. All the girls were doing the Bangkok shuffle except one who was really bringing some energy and sex appeal. She was also a full womans build, not your typical Thai pixie and that appealed since I've been doing the pixies of late (including my Asian GF back home). So I called her down and we all four gathered by the stage.

Both girls the chemistry was great. Chris's girl was twerking on him and simulating doggie fucking in front of a pile of old Chinese and white dudes just a few feet away. And my girl backs into me, puts my hands on her tits (nice firm be-see cups) and was reaching behind her back and stroking my now hard dick. Ok girls. We get the message — you want to fuck. What a coincidence — Us too!

We settle up with the mamasan (see other posts which advise against this — just pay barfine and then pay girl directly after) and the girls go to change. Chris's pixie is dressed just like his old GF used to and he's a goner. Mine is also sexy AF and we are ready to rumble. We walk most of the way together but Chris grabs a cab for him and his girl since he's a bit farther.

In the room my girl and I shower separately and return in towels. We have a truly lovely BFGF time together. I learn she's a 21 year old college student and it shows. But I love that! We make out some and she's an OK kisser but not tops. But I can tell there is passion and that is all that matters.

Despite her club persona she's a shy girl and wants the lights down low but I convince her otherwise. I start with some nice tit sucking and damn she likes that. Def likes her tits sucked in hard and I am enjoying soft hand circles with her amazing tits.

After a bit of that I head down south but teasing along the way. Maybe lick down to her belly button but then back to tits. A little further next time. Licking and sucking that hollow between thigh and pussy and brushing over her clit when changing sides. She is squirming like a girl that's had nothing but college age losers fuck and forget and enjoying every minute.

Eventually I reward her with full soft mouth action and she is wet as a fucking fountain. Lots of good clit licking and sucking keeping a nice rhythm. I slip a finger inside (she's tight!) and start some gspot work while still working clit with tongue. Then slide two fingers in gently vertically and slowly rotate to horizontal and gspot tweaking and she is bucking while her pussy walls keep clamping. It is just one sloppy pussy clamping fiesta!

Honestly I love getting fresh girls off like that so it could be a highlight. But the rest is very good. Very nice BJ and BLS with a nice attentive nature.

At some point I want to move her around to 69 and this is where you can see she is so new to this. Most girls know the universal gesture and soft body leading that swings her to 69. But she is not sure what I want. She kinda pivots into a reverse Cowgirl sumata very awkwardly and realizes this can't be right. We both laugh hard and so we reposition her till she's in 69 and have a great time.

After that the fucking is epic. Damn. Can't remember it all. But we do the Steve forever (clear she hasn't done this before). Several times I lean in and we make out urgently like new lovers do. Finally with a foot on the bed for extra leverage I pound out an earthshaking shot in the condom. Ah. Shot two is always a labor of love but amazing when you get it.

After some nice cuddles, she can't stay because she has a field trip in the morning. (And of course I'the booked ST). Gentleman that I am, I say I will walk her back to Nana. Who does this! I do.

Back at Nana I see her off to Butterflies with a kiss. And as I turn to go home I think. Well, I don't have a third shot but a little camel toe never hurt anyone! And there is a camel toe parade going on right now two floors up! Plus I can do some research for the forum, dedicated poster that I am.

So off I go to billboard. Of course it's amazing and I enjoy a drink there. But I feel dedication to the forum and decide I should have a beer a couple other places and report out.

First up is Angelwitch. Def a heavy rock vibe and about ten girls on stage. There are a couple doable ones but I clearly see why Billboard is a fave.

Next up is Bunny where all my best intentions go to hell in a hand basket. The greeter seats me at the first table and before long I am getting the death stare from a very slim hottie in the closest position. Shortly I notice cat ears girl from earlier at the far end of the stage and get the serious doe eyes. Damn. She's hot and seductive. A dangerous combo!

Both girls come join me and I am in a nice Steve sandwich. I am not really in the market tho and particularly not for two. So when the Mamasan comes and asks if I will buy both a drink I think for a sec but then say "no thanks". You might think this is offputting but it's just the opposite. Instead both girls redouble their efforts!

The tiny pixie girl on my right starts massaging my shoulders and back and it's very nice. Not to be out done, cat girl starts massaging my dick! In full view of everyone. I'm not shy so I let her keep on and before long I have a full fledged boner. She's impressed and now with both hands she is pressing my shorts flat to show my full glory and showing her friend how long and thick my dick is. OMG! It's so naughty it's just great. King of the fucking world.

Ok. Fuck. How can I not take this minx! So with apologies to her friend, I bar fine cat girl and we are off (she says later her friend was really sad and wanted me to take her — oh well. I've only got one dick. Sorry.).

In the never a dull moment category, as I give the mamasan the bar fine, she points out that this is not Thai currency! It's from another Asian country. LOL. Not to be deterred, they assign the stocky barmaid to escort me to the ATM. It's one of those life experiences when she marches me past security and then goes into the busy street and stops traffic both ways so I can get to the ATM across the street. Thai service rules!

Having settled up, we head to the room where we have a great time. Not quite the same college girl newness passion as the first girl but really quality BJ and sex. I'm prob 8 or so drinks in so can't remember fuck all at this point except that it's perilously hard to finish me.

At some point maybe 40 minutes in I take off the condom to maybe finish by mouth. She does some great BJ but she is determined to finish me so she mounts up bareback! Wow! Super nice in cowgirl and the Steve but no dice. Not even bareback. We try every trick in the book including her BLS and me jacking. Or me jacking and her mouth open and tongue tapping a bit and maybe I slide it in for a few pumps. I mean all amazing stuff but no dice.

Just goes to show these girls are not all hardcore because when I finally pack it in she is so disappointed. I owe her 3000 baht for her part and she is saying she doesn't deserve it all because I didn't cum! Fuck she worked hard. Not her fault, so I gave her the full amount and sent her on her way (not walking back a second time! What a nice girl. Two for two.

And that is the end of day one. Yep. Just one day. Bangkok rules!

[Chan Chalupa]

The problems and the costs are exactly why most of us residents avoid GoGos at all costs. There are exceptions, but the majority will frequent certain oily parlors and a lot of us are quite heavily into the online scene. I totally understand why tourists don't want to spend the time working fiwfans. It takes a lot of time and a lot of research, speaking Thai is a big help, but yesterday I had a gal in a hotel less than 10 minutes from my house for 1500 baht, one shot l, one hour, and I'll tell you she looks every bit as good if not better than any of the girls you would see at Billboard or Butterflies. And tomorrow I'm looking at an auto show quality pretty for 2,500 for an hour. And this is white skin, amazing figure, no baby, and will absolutely blow the doors off anything in Nana plaza.

But hey, I totally get wanting to go to a gogo bar and have a good time, It's such a shadow of its former self, as is thermae, that me and my mates pretty much shun it. And don't get me wrong, we like to go to bars, but we like to go to bars where we can talk have a nice craft beer, or a nice whiskey, and some decent food. And if you add a fiwfans girl on to that still probably spending less than 2,500 Baht for the whole evening. It's a whole different and much better ball game when you live here.

Actually 2,500 for a car model does seem fair. Remember if she is a 5,000 girl at LAbelle or somewhere equivalent. Guess how much is her cut.

Voila. 2,500.

[Steve 9696]

The problems and the costs are exactly why most of us residents avoid GoGos at all costs. There are exceptions, but the majority will frequent certain oily parlors and a lot of us are quite heavily into the online scene. I totally understand why tourists don't want to spend the time working fiwfans. It takes a lot of time and a lot of research, speaking Thai is a big help, but yesterday I had a gal in a hotel less than 10 minutes from my house for 1500 baht, one shot l, one hour, and I'll tell you she looks every bit as good if not better than any of the girls you would see at Billboard or Butterflies. And tomorrow I'm looking at an auto show quality pretty for 2,500 for an hour. And this is white skin, amazing figure, no baby, and will absolutely blow the doors off anything in Nana plaza.

But hey, I totally get wanting to go to a gogo bar and have a good time, It's such a shadow of its former self, as is thermae, that me and my mates pretty much shun it. And don't get me wrong, we like to go to bars, but we like to go to bars where we can talk have a nice craft beer, or a nice whiskey, and some decent food. And if you add a fiwfans girl on to that still probably spending less than 2,500 Baht for the whole evening. It's a whole different and much better ball game when you live here.

No I think you are on point here. What you are doing is very efficient and the gogos are highly inefficient for getting pussy. I just enjoy the experience. It used to be I longed after the dating type experience and so Seeking Arrangement was my fave method. But now that I've had a home GF for going on two years I long for the "club experience" and what I call the girl buffet. No question I can go to an oily and get something quick. And that has its place too. It's wonderful to have a BJ bar like 7-heaven. That's another great format. I just love checking out the girls and the camel toe and spike heels and knowing I can have any one I want! That’s why I love Thai and Russian gogos and the Boates of São Paulo. The wonderful thing is there are like a ton of formats for us to choose. And we get to pick! Heavenly.

[Goatscrot]

Like most situations there is the right think to do and the easy thing to do. The right thing is of course to walk ten minutes back to the club and have an argument. The easy thing to do is send her home and go get a BJ a block away.

So yeah. I know the right thing. But I chose the easy thing. And was happy lightening my balls down the street and hitting the sack.

The problems and the costs are exactly why most of us residents avoid GoGos at all costs. There are exceptions, but the majority will frequent certain oily parlors and a lot of us are quite heavily into the online scene. I totally understand why tourists don't want to spend the time working fiwfans. It takes a lot of time and a lot of research, speaking Thai is a big help, but yesterday I had a gal in a hotel less than 10 minutes from my house for 1500 baht, one shot l, one hour, and I'll tell you she looks every bit as good if not better than any of the girls you would see at Billboard or Butterflies. And tomorrow I'm looking at an auto show quality pretty for 2,500 for an hour. And this is white skin, amazing figure, no baby, and will absolutely blow the doors off anything in Nana plaza.

But hey, I totally get wanting to go to a gogo bar and have a good time, It's such a shadow of its former self, as is thermae, that me and my mates pretty much shun it. And don't get me wrong, we like to go to bars, but we like to go to bars where we can talk have a nice craft beer, or a nice whiskey, and some decent food. And if you add a fiwfans girl on to that still probably spending less than 2,500 Baht for the whole evening. It's a whole different and much better ball game when you live here.

[Gloryjack]

Guys. I won't hit the pubs tonight as there is an alcohol ban. Are there any nice dinner buffets in star hotels in sukhmvit that in can go and enjoy? Thinking of going late night.

[Nyezhov]

He paid 4,000 baht upfront in the bar. Another poster has followed up with some girls in Billboard quote 4,000 baht. I have never been quoted above 3,000 baht for short time by any girl in Billboard or Butterflies. I may have been quoted more by a mamasan before I learned to never talk to a mamasan unless I needed her for something and I don't need her to pay a barfine. I simply tell the girl what we're going to do in the room and give her the money to pay the bar, she can deal with the mamasan if she needs to. I always pay the girl after the service.

In bars that I frequent a lot the mamasans are my friends after getting to know each other and we help each other. They bring me new girls that they know I will like and I tip them.

In bars that I'm less known if the girl wants to bring the mamasan over I simply hand the mamasan the money for the bar fine and tell her that I will take care of the girl in the room. Sometimes that mamasan will ask the girl if she's okay to be paid by me in the room. They almost always say yes, but if they do say no, I take my money back and walk.

I give the bar fine to who's ever responsible for it, most of the time my waitress. I've been quoted stupid money in every go-go in Thailand from girls. I pay what I think is fair or what it's worth to me. I don't get fooled with two lady drinks either because I'm the rare occasion that I order one, and make sure that the waitress is clear in her mind that it is one lady drink.

[Nyezhov]

Why are you paying 4700 baht at Billboard? That's 1,000 over the going rate. I hope you're not getting the price from one of the mamasans instead of the girl.

What's the going rate? The going rate for anything is what I'm willing to pay. Don't know of any going rates posted anywhere.

[Steve 9696]

Other venues we tried were Poseidon and a oil massage. We had been to Poseidon before. It is a nice high end experience without being crazy pricey like Maria. Girls range from 3200-6500 or so. It's a little out of the way up north but worth a trip. Payforit since I know how you roll, I think you would like it.

Apparently the fishbowl died with COVID but the third floor models floor is going strong. Chris and I had a Gin and Tonic and checked out the lineup. There was a bit of pick one pressure but not offputting and we said we wanted to relax w our drinks. They had the 3-4 K girls on the right and the 5-6 K girls on the left. To be clear if you are about optics not so much the experience then it's going to seem high. The 5-6 K girls are like Butterflies quality and the 3-4 K girls def not quite up to that tier. But really it's not just about fucking in your room — there is the soapy experience here.

Chris grabbed a Q girl 5200 I think and mine was a SR I believe and 6 K. She kept giving me the doe eyes and I caved. Great in room experience. Lovely bath play (no mat play — all in a shallow tub) and of course fucking on the bed. I was spent after one round but apparently two is possible as Chris's girl mounted up for round two! All in all a really nice time.

Last night in town was BOO a legal holiday and all the clubs closed. And no alcohol sold. Double boo. We found a Korean BBQ in Korea town that would sell beer in cups up on the second level. Great time and great find. And then went to nearby massage for happy ending for me and FS for Chris. Def middle aged ladies but nice service. No complaints.

Only venue we didn't try was freelancer clubs like Mixx etc. So maybe next time.

[Steve 9696]

Not useful to me till next trip but def some good info for the other guys in here. Worldwide I always try to pay after but it never occurred to me as possible in this setting. I let the mamasan lead the game but next time I will know better and separate the bar fine from the girl pay after. Good advice!

As far as luck in the pull, we both pulled girls the first night we adored. And did pull them second night again. Third night my friend made another great pull. And my Bunny pull on night one was a homer also. So I guess we were lucky (4/5) . I am usually quite good at gauging girls but def was off with that one pull. It wasn't even so much the CBJ. She was just not happy to be there (in the room) and I can't fuck an unhappy girl. Just doesn't work for me. Attitude is everything.

I am not trying to have BBFS, which I cant imagine just going w the flow and getting. Although when I proved a beast to get off, after 40 mins my Bunny girl mounted up bareback to get me off. In the end she didnt succeed despite all sorts of tricks and really everything. She was soooo sad that she couldnt get me off. And now that I think about it she was pay after. Cuz when I went to pay 3000 baht she really didnt want to take full payment since I didnt cum. So not all these girls are sharks. (And my Butterflies girl is just a regular college girl I love that!)

Reminder. My strong take is Butterflies girls are younger and more genuine than billboard (obv limited sample but my friend Chris agrees). Our plan next time will be to replicate the party at billboard and pull at butterflies that we did two nights.

[Houston Player]

Thanks for the reports.

Unless I misread it, your "first two pulls" were the same girl from Butterflies and in all three cases you paid the girl's 3,000 baht quoted fee upfront in the bar, right?

He paid 4,000 baht upfront in the bar. Another poster has followed up with some girls in Billboard quote 4,000 baht. I have never been quoted above 3,000 baht for short time by any girl in Billboard or Butterflies. I may have been quoted more by a mamasan before I learned to never talk to a mamasan unless I needed her for something and I don't need her to pay a barfine. I simply tell the girl what we're going to do in the room and give her the money to pay the bar, she can deal with the mamasan if she needs to. I always pay the girl after the service.

In bars that I frequent a lot the mamasans are my friends after getting to know each other and we help each other. They bring me new girls that they know I will like and I tip them.

In bars that I'm less known if the girl wants to bring the mamasan over I simply hand the mamasan the money for the bar fine and tell her that I will take care of the girl in the room. Sometimes that mamasan will ask the girl if she's okay to be paid by me in the room. They almost always say yes, but if they do say no, I take my money back and walk.

[Venturi34]

So here is a question for experienced BKK forum members, but including the recent tourists: assume you have 4 nights in BKK. How do you spend them? Easy to say 1 night Nana, 1 night Soi Cowboy, 1 night 7 Heaven, etc.

My last trip was end of June and beginning of July. What I did is visit a massage parlor during the day and then hit the GoGos at night. There was a noticeable step down in the amount of girls for low season compared to my trip back in April so I would stick to the bigger places if I were you. I still think most of the top girls at at the GoGos, Thermae is alright on a Friday and Saturday but it felt relatively sparse otherwise. No matter the night though, Billboard always felt it had the most customers and girls.

So my recommendation is do the massages during the day and Nana at night. If it's early Friday / Saturday then can try Thermae for ST and hit the GoGos after.

[PayForIt]

So, have read all of Steve 9696's reports and found them very valuable indeed given my upcoming trip. His reports in other forums (London / Spain / Germany) are also very good. Following on from his experiences of Nana bars (recommends Billboard and Butterflies) I enjoyed the report from Expat American, mainly due to his experience at Pimp.

I tried Pimp last year and found it a cold experience, but I wondered if I didn't stay long enough? I felt I was being ripped off so left early. Despite this, I really like the idea of an excellent high end gentlemans bar where you can enjoy a whole night of on stage performances, VIP room pool, KTV with a few girls, fun etc. Yep - "expensive" by Thai standards, but not by European standards. Paying circa 12-15,000 baht equates to about 400 euros. Truth is that most guys who visit FKK clubs in Germany, or one of the top clubs in Spain (Vive Madrid, Scandalos Malaga, E92 Fuengirola) will very easily spend 400 euros in a night for an hour or so with one girl, entry, drinks etc. Ok it is very tempting, when its possible to go to a BJ bar in BKK or Pattaya and be well serviced for a tenth of that price to think its crazy to spend this sort of cash. But for a tourist to come to BKK and enjoy a night in a top club / top venue like Maria's, Black Caviar, Sherbet Club, M club, Elite (13 Thonglor) as a one off is not a bad deal. But only of course if the quality of the girls is top rate and the entertainment the same.

So here is a question for experienced BKK forum members, but including the recent tourists: assume you have 4 nights in BKK. How do you spend them? Easy to say 1 night Nana, 1 night Soi Cowboy, 1 night 7 Heaven, etc. But what of other options? Nobody reports on Soi Thaniya yet a see a YouTube video from Jonny recently visiting Sena Club there where some of the girls look really attractive. The recent videos of Thaniya look like there are a lot of good options. Would that be one of your four nights? Thermae? What about one of high end soapies. La Belle? Or even the quirky Stocking Massage Spa? My trips to BKK inevitably result in nights barfining from agogos. I would really like to look at other options this time, but am strictly limited to four nights. Budget is happily not a consideration. Don't like escorts so Thai Friendly etc totally out. That's possible the world over. And I hate bait and switch. I like to select from a (real not ipad) line up so I can see exactly what I'm buying (renting! So, how would you guys choose to spend 4 nights only if budget wasn't an option? Steve 9696 might STILL say he'the spend at least one of them at Butterflies? But I think the answers would illuminating. And of course helpful.

[EihTooms]

Re Steve9696's Report:

Thanks for the reports.

Unless I misread it, your "first two pulls" were the same girl from Butterflies and in all three cases you paid the girl's 3,000 baht quoted fee upfront in the bar, right?

Of course, Your Mileage May Vary as usual. But in my experience your getting a happy experience with the first Butterflies girl after paying her fee upfront in the bar was the rare exception result, a truely rare gem of a girl, while the result you got with the second Butterflies girl, your third pull that turned out to be a disaster, would be the norm in a pay upfront arrangement.

Additionally, I'm guessing you did not specify anything upfront before paying the money in the bar regarding DFK, BBBJ, BBFSCIP or whatever it was that made that first girl experience so happy but that the second girl felt she had no reason to provide anything. Which, unless you did get a specific upfront agreement for those things from that second girl, she is pretty much within her rights to refuse doing them and keep the 3,000 baht you paid upfront.

So, if that is how it was with no upfront agreement from her to do anything that you expected to happen for the money in order for you to be happy about it, "going with the flow and seeing what happens in the room" so to speak, then marching back to the bar to complain might have been interesting for all involved and might possibly have made the mamasan unhappy. But, imo, it would not have been an inspiration for the mamasan or the girl to give your money back or to do anything different for the next guy who comes along.

For me, unless I ask for it upfront before I pay the money and get a clear and unambiguous Yes reply to it, it is highly unlikely it will happen in the room. No matter what it is. And paying the girl's fee upfront instead of after the sex session at any point whether it is paid upfront in the bar or paid upfront 5 seconds before gets into bed is the best way to ensure an unhappy experience for me.

Oops. I see you stated the Butteflies girls' quoted fees were 4,000 baht, not 3,000 baht and the one at Bunny's was 3,000 baht. Yeah, for that plus the barfine I would have needed to cite and get an upfront agreement for every major detail I wanted to happen in the session in order to be happy about it. And I would have walked away from any Pay Upfront deal other than for the barfine.

But that is just me.

Who knows, maybe every Pay Upfront and Go With The Flow And See What Happens In The Room arrangement you agree to from now on with a Thai gogo girl will turn out terrific and that one unhappy experience with the Butterflies girl will turn out to be the rare exception. Anything is possible I suppose.

However, if I followed that approach every time with Thai gogo girls all indications are the ratio of fails to happy experiences would be ridiculously lopsided toward fails. Guaranteed.

[Expat American]

So my amazing wife decided to surprise me on my Birthday with a weekend trip to Bangkok. Most of the time was of course spent with her but as a special birthday present she bought me a 4 hands 2 hour special massage (after I told her about Cherry). I had never been to the old Snow White but the set up is very similar to the old Devils Den. You are not going to find any 10's there but at 4 pm I got a selection of a dozen girls, some young, some older, some chubby, some skinny. Mama san told me which ones offer A+ (anal) and recommended a 25 year old. I also chose another 20 year old chubby girl (sometimes they try a lot harder). All in all a fully satisfying 2 hour romp. Non stop action, Anal, Rimming, Deep Throat and whatever else I wanted. Like directing my own porn shoot. Well worth the 4600 B plus 500 Beach tip I gave them.

Wife had read about the Pimp Club and wanted to check it out. I'm sorry but I don't see the point. Theres a minimum spend of 5000 B so we had to get a bottle. Cost to have a girl just sit with you for an hour was 2 K-3 K. Most of the girls had fake boobs and by no means were they all 8's or 9's either. I didn't bother with taking a girl or a private room so don't know what happens there. There was live music and we got drunk on our bottle so it was okay, but we could have gone to any bar in Bangkok for a good music without spending that much.

Finally last night wife and I checked out Soi Cowboy. Went into Suzie Wong, Afterschool and Sharks. Mixed bag of girls. Out of a dozen on stage maybe a couple were worth a drink. I bought drinks for a cute 22 year old in Suzie Wong and she was fun and interactive. Also bought some drinks at Sharks. Whats the deal with Crazy House at the end of the road? Asshole bouncers at the door saying "members only or 500 B entrance". Rude as fuck too. I've been in there before and it was a wild scene but I'm not paying 500 B just to look inside either.

If I go back ID stick to the massage joints around Soi 24/26 as it was by far the best experience and value for money.