Pattaya Reports

[JordCo]

I understand Angeles City in the Philippines is dead, killed by Koreans.

It would informative to know if the same death spiral is starting to happen in Pattaya. Specifically, Koreans paying top dollar, and making Pattaya too expensive for everyone else.

It would play out a little different as Pattaya and Angeles are only similar in their purpose. Main differences are that there is really no need to go to Angeles once it started to get ruined due to the fact there's many other parts of Philippines to find girls in. Pretty much every part due to language easiness etc. Many just gave up on Angeles when Covid hit and didn't return. Whereas I know in Thailand there are some options but Pattaya does dominate that scene. There's a lot of money in Pattaya and it's not only Korean. Westerners are spending a lot too and more are coming. Whether that's a good or bad thing is yet to be seen.

[Raj Patela]

You are right about the barfines being to high. But again. There is some "logic" in this.

1. Salaries have go up a LOT since covid for the ladies.

2. Lower barfines = Empty agogos what would hurt their drinking business.

3. Higher barfines = more chicks in the gogo, more attractive for customers, more drinking revenue.

A model makes about 20.000/10 days these days. With a 50 drink quota minimum (200 for a drink to make things easy).

50 x200 = 10.000 in drinks (revenue not profit). Barfine 1 k? That would be 10 k MAX (10 day contract) = 20 K. Basically meaning they are not making much money of the girl to justify the 20 K salary.

The owner (France dude) of Pinup told me his place would be empty if he lowered the barfine to precovid numbers before 10 pm.

The argument always comes up. But the Salaries are so high.

How many of the Pin Up girls are making Full salary.

15%. ?

I just day after day see Bars top tier to those that last 2 weeks without Customers.

9 n my way to Buakhao to eat dinner I walked thru Myth Beet Bar. Some of them are having Girls in Bikinis. LOL.

If I recall some were quite Acceptable as far as Looks go.

[MartinFlevo]

All I'm saying is they should make it easier for the girls to get Barfined. 2,500 barfine isn't getting it done. WS has attractive girls but OMG that 2. 5 barfine is a turnoff.

Contrast that to Nana Plaza Rainbows where girls are being barfined all the time.

One barFine to the bar is 1,000 baht in income,. Repeat, rinse, wash. Girl, bar, customer Happy.

For the Love of Buddha some very attractive girls in Pattaya are just left to rot on the Vine.

You are right about the barfines being to high. But again. There is some "logic" in this.

1. Salaries have go up a LOT since covid for the ladies.

2. Lower barfines = Empty agogos what would hurt their drinking business.

3. Higher barfines = more chicks in the gogo, more attractive for customers, more drinking revenue.

A model makes about 20.000/10 days these days. With a 50 drink quota minimum (200 for a drink to make things easy).

50 x200 = 10.000 in drinks (revenue not profit). Barfine 1 k? That would be 10 k MAX (10 day contract) = 20 K. Basically meaning they are not making much money of the girl to justify the 20 K salary.

The owner (France dude) of Pinup told me his place would be empty if he lowered the barfine to precovid numbers before 10 pm.

[Raj Patela]

I made sure to read a bunch about Bangkok and pattaya before making my plans so thanks everyone. I'm planning on a 6 day trip to Pattaya from Feb 16 to Feb 22. I'm currently deciding between staying at Talay 6 or LK the empress, they seem like they'd give good access to Terminal 21 and walking street so I could get to a bit of everything. I'm worried about my timing, wondering if anyone thinks my current timeline would be out of high season. It's tough negotiating with my job and a decently priced flight. I'd be landing in Bangkok too, but I'd be able to take a two hour bus or train to Pattaya. It's been fun planning my google doc with all the info. But yeah if you see something glaringly wrong with my plan please let me know. I'm also happy to scope a place out that someone's curious about or wants an update on, I'll add it to the list.

So dangerous.

Come to Pattaya when you feel like it. Don't let the Scare Mongerer scare you.

It's not like Las Vegas where Hotels are sold out.

This past weekend apparently there was a Big Festival in Pattaya. I only read it in the Papers yesterday. Fri- Sun I had no clue.

Didn't see much difference in a tivity.

[AggieDad1]

I understand Angeles City in the Philippines is dead, killed by Koreans.

It would informative to know if the same death spiral is starting to happen in Pattaya. Specifically, Koreans paying top dollar, and making Pattaya too expensive for everyone else.

Just a quick check and I found there are all ready more direct flights between Seoul / Inchon airport (18) to Bangkok, than Clark (3) and Manila (10) combined. So the Koreans already like Thailand. Just wonder if they bring their families to Thailand and use the Philippines for parties?

[Paolo99]

I suspect the policy you cited varies from bar to bar.

If I were a customer who rang the bell, I would not be happy if the bar allocated my money to people not in the bar. Come to think of it, some people might ring the bell when they see there aren't many bargirls in the bar at that moment, and would not want to have to shell out cash for the ladies who are upstairs, or ran out to buy food, or are out smootching with their boyfriend, or maybe don't exist.

I talk about a Nightwish bar on soi 6, and given that they applie the same policy in all their bars, that's how it works in more than half of the soi.

I suspect that non-Nightwish bars do the same too, because it is in the favor of the bar's business.

Did you ever ring the bell? I never did it but I was there numerous time when these guys did it. They don't look around and count how many girls are around before ringing the bell, they know very well they are blowing some cash. Most of the time, there are well more than fifteen girls in the bar when they're doing this, no way they are going to check their bill one by one, especially when you know they are most of the time drunk when they do it.

And as I said earlier, it's in the favor of the bar to do it that way, it helps both the business and the girls, they would be stupid to not do it that way.

[SubCmdr]

Not many Customers on Beach Road. What are the chances it's SubCommabder in the Clip.

Pretty much zero, unless they are photographing me on the Bath Bus as I roll down beach road.

What are the chances that Raj Raj actually files a report that provides useful information on having sex with girls?

[Raj Patela]

Well its obvious you don't run a gogo. I do the math for you.

I do in THB.

Let's say a gogo has 100 ladies. According to YOUR calculations they could have a MAX revenue of 2. 000 THB*100 = THB 200.000 a day.

In reality on average girls are barfined 1-2 times during their contract. SO that's 20%.

20% of 200.000 = 40.000 THB a day.

Your 200.000 THB a day only works if ALL ladies are barfined ALL the time. And who walks into an Gogo with not many ladies?

See the problem with your theory?

They do have 100 ladies working with a drink target of 5-6 a day. 200 THB a drink.

100 * 5 = 500 drinks * 200 THB = 100.000 THB a DAY.

Thats half of your target of 200 K.

Thats excluding ALL drinks for customers themselves.

Thats excluding all drinks ABOVE their target (if a lady not meet her drink target she pays for the drinks in full!

Thats excluding revenue from barfines (estimated at 40 K a night).

So how they operate now. Thats 100 K in drinks, 40 K in barfines. 140 K.

In your case to get 140 K (out of the 200 K revenue from barfines) = 70% barfine rate.

Not going to happen.

All I'm saying is they should make it easier for the girls to get Barfined. 2,500 barfine isn't getting it done. WS has attractive girls but OMG that 2. 5 barfine is a turnoff.

Contrast that to Nana Plaza Rainbows where girls are being barfined all the time.

One barFine to the bar is 1,000 baht in income,. Repeat, rinse, wash. Girl, bar, customer Happy.

For the Love of Buddha some very attractive girls in Pattaya are just left to rot on the Vine.

[Raj Patela]

LOL. That's one angry ladyboy.

Not many Customers on Beach Road. What are the chances it's SubCommabder in the Clip.

[Werqweq]

Guy needs yo learn how to leg sweep

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gSZakNVSmQ

LOL. That's one angry ladyboy.

[TerryHintz]

I made sure to read a bunch about Bangkok and pattaya before making my plans so thanks everyone. I'm planning on a 6 day trip to Pattaya from Feb 16 to Feb 22. I'm currently deciding between staying at Talay 6 or LK the empress, they seem like they'd give good access to Terminal 21 and walking street so I could get to a bit of everything. I'm worried about my timing, wondering if anyone thinks my current timeline would be out of high season. It's tough negotiating with my job and a decently priced flight. I'd be landing in Bangkok too, but I'd be able to take a two hour bus or train to Pattaya. It's been fun planning my google doc with all the info. But yeah if you see something glaringly wrong with my plan please let me know. I'm also happy to scope a place out that someone's curious about or wants an update on, I'll add it to the list.

[IntBond0]

Best place for new years eve? Phuket, pattaya or Bangkok?

[Mr Enternational]

Where do they rate on your scorecards out of 10? I will tell more about them once some scores are in. Things like where they are, but you can see already, so prices, drinks required, negotiating time / games etc.

Just look like normal ass chicks to me. I do not play the rating game though. If you like them then have fun. If you don't then find someone else. I used to have a chick at Wrath come over sometimes after work. Usual 1,000 LT. I have not talked to her since December though at which time she told me she was in Phuket. I posted about her a couple of times before. One was when I went there on her birthday and some guy on a video call had bought a bunch of drinks.

[MartinFlevo]

I swear these bars and Agogos are leaving millions of USA dollars on the table concentrating on drinks. Do both you Numbskull Bars.

One barFine in total costs the customer $75.

2 drink cost $8. 00.

Do the math Fellas.

Well its obvious you don't run a gogo. I do the math for you.

I do in THB.

Let's say a gogo has 100 ladies. According to YOUR calculations they could have a MAX revenue of 2. 000 THB*100 = THB 200.000 a day.

In reality on average girls are barfined 1-2 times during their contract. SO that's 20%.

20% of 200.000 = 40.000 THB a day.

Your 200.000 THB a day only works if ALL ladies are barfined ALL the time. And who walks into an Gogo with not many ladies?

See the problem with your theory?

They do have 100 ladies working with a drink target of 5-6 a day. 200 THB a drink.

100 * 5 = 500 drinks * 200 THB = 100.000 THB a DAY.

Thats half of your target of 200 K.

Thats excluding ALL drinks for customers themselves.

Thats excluding all drinks ABOVE their target (if a lady not meet her drink target she pays for the drinks in full!

Thats excluding revenue from barfines (estimated at 40 K a night).

So how they operate now. Thats 100 K in drinks, 40 K in barfines. 140 K.

In your case to get 140 K (out of the 200 K revenue from barfines) = 70% barfine rate.

Not going to happen.

[Explorer8939]

Camel Toe is a MILF / GILF bar.

But, for about a m.

Oops.

For about a month in 2021, Camel Toe was the only bar open in Pattaya. So, top ladies were working there. I probably posted about it a lot.

Now, its basically a Darkside MILF bar, not the same.