Stupid shit in Medellin

[JjBee62]

Again you never said anything about wanting to meet and when and where. You said if I wanted to speak to you directly I could reach out to you via WhatsApp. I chose not to. That doesn't mean I broke my word because I never agreed to meet you.

I the first post I said "I would meet you anytime you wanted" but you never specified that you wanted to meet. You dumbass. You obviously have a lack of comprehension skills. Also the only reason I mentioned exito Aranjuez had to do with me telling someone else to meet me there earlier in the year but he declined. I wasn't saying I will meet you there at any specific day or time so therefore I didn't go back on my word.

You can keep replying all you want, your still going to be an idiot loser in my opinion (and the opinion of many others) and nothing you can say will ever change that.

I have no dog in this fight. However, on this one SubCmdr is 100% correct. When you said you'll meet at the Aranjuez Exito any time, his only options were to publicly decline, ignore your statement, or send a PM giving contact information. Is he supposed to just show up at the Exito and start asking everyone "eres Gabacho?

He sent the PM and gave alternate contact information. Makes sense. It gives you the option of contacting him and either discussing your differences privately, or setting up a time and place to meet in person. And that's exactly what you should have done.

Why pick Aranjuez? Other than its convenience to you. Was it because you figured nobody would be brave enough to venture there? If you're serious, there are hundreds of bars, coffee shops or other public spots to sit down with another person and discuss your differences, all more easily accessible for people who have less experience in Medellin.

I'm speaking from experience. I've met up with guys in Medellin who I've had a prior beef with (or the appropriate vegan beef substitute). Turns out, once you get off the keyboard and away from the internet chest bumping, most guys turn out to be alright.

[JjBee62]

It was you who dragged it into the general information thread. I'm Surprised the admins didn't delete both our posts in there to keep it clean in the general information thread. Or atleast moved the posts into here. But the admins of this site are lazy and do a lousy job; they are also biased as to what they allow to be posted. And they won't allow you to delete your account and posts either. Don't believe me? Look for an option to delete account like on any other social media, it's not there. It says in the FAQ that you have to PM them and ask to be deleted but even if you do do that they just ignore you. That may be grounds for litigation as there are privacy laws in regards to allowing users to delete there accounts but that isn't what we are discussing here is it?

Also what the hell is wrong with you; "a WWF verbal beat down" lmao again you are making yourself look like a child. "Ima give you a verbal smack down" ok seor shitcmdr you go aright ahead and do that just like when you were in 6th grade LOL. And actually I believe it's called WWE now, not that I watch that stupid wrestling shit because I don't, but I know enough that I remember it changed its name to WWE some years ago.

Although I don't know how to do it, it is possible to get the admins to delete your account and all of your posts. I know of at least one person who has done it. There was also an incident several years ago, if I remember correctly, which resulted in several accounts, all associated PMs and posts being deleted. Apparently, some guys were using ISG (or USASG) to exchange information on illegal activities.

Getting your account deleted is easy. First, post something in a regular thread which you know will get blocked and get you an infraction warning. Then, quote the redacted post and argue with the admins over the decision. If this doesn't get you banned, it will probably get you an email from Jackson or one of the admins. The email will say something to the effect that you fucked up and that you're 1 more mistake away from being banned. It will also tell you that any response will get you banned. Yes, I'm speaking from experience. Simply reply to the email with your opinion about the admins. Account deleted.

Of course the easy thing to do is just stop visiting the site.

Although I've had more than my share of dustups with the admins, they do an incredible job. Every day they have to review and approve thousands of posts, plus review thousands more to see if anything violates the rules. Many of the posts are completely garbled by someone who doesn't speak English, or are so poorly written that it's difficult to grasp what they're trying to say. I've run online forums before and it's mostly a huge pain in the ass.

[Gabacho]

This post I am quoting from the main medellin thread is proof that the admins of this site are biased. I posted a screenshot with a phone number and my entire post gets deleted but yet this guy posts a phone number and it is all fine and dandy?

FUCK ISG.

Juliet. I can't find her ad anymore, but I just saw her yesterday..

[Elvis 2008]

When JBeez or Sub Commander or Mr. E uses the Term Girlfriend I don't think they're talking about this (although they can correct me if I'm wrong). When they use the term Girlfriend they mean essentially fuck buddy that they have an emotional attachment to. I. E. Someone they trust enough to sleep over engage in uncovered sex do non sexual things with, But they don't mean that they will put them in their wills The relationship or situationship lasts as long as both parties want it to. Or Black Pilled thinking meaning that women are always looking to trade up in someway for example Jada Pinkett marrying Will Smith because he's rich yet cheating with Tupac on the side.

Trip, I know you hung with Mr. E in Cali and am trying to excuse him, but if these three guys have GFs, then every guy here does too.

Speaking for me personally I reserve the right to take as much time as possible to find the "right woman" and will run through thousands until I find her. I'm not sure I can be monogamous but I can defenitely make a emotional physical and financial comittment to the "right woman"which would include funding beyond the grave. For that I demand absolute loyalty and fidelity and if I can't get that then the vast majority of my money stays with me.

Trip, in the above statement, you are letting the feminists win. You are a man and are a magnet for responsibility. If I go out on a woman, I should have been the one in better control. I should not have committed. But when you do that, you are letting women off the hook.

If you have a woman getting you off twice a day, are you physically even able to cheat on her? And even if you could, would you even want to?

Outside of not being around her or health issues, when a man is off seeing other women, it is the woman's fault. If a woman is putting conditions on sex or not giving it to a man and a man is getting elsewhere, the first one to cheat was her, and she has no right to complain.

And if guys have to get sex elsewhere while having "girlfriends", then their "girlfriends" are literally nothing special. The special women take care of their men.

The nature of women is to get out of responsibility and to feminize men with shaming. So they will say "You taste funny down there" or "You need to shower before we have sex" and guys take on the responsibility of being clean and showered. If you "taste funny down there" really was an issue, how hard is it to not say anything take a wash cloth and clean the guy? They are testing you and seeing how much you will give to get laid. In reality, their ultimate goal is to get you so tame that you pay for everything and take on all the work and responsibility in the partnership in exchange for a taste of pussy.

A GF / wife does not own your dick. She just gets first dibs, and the smart and special ones take care of you such that you are too exhausted to look at another woman.

[Elvis 2008]

What happened was you sent me a PM rambling about Elvis and a flame war and this and that and the other (in your broken albeit improving English). Then you left me your Las Vegas phone number telling me to WhatsApp message you to which I declined.

Anyone can ask Elvis too if they don't believe me because I forwarded the PM to him so he could see it. And after reading your PM I determined you were some fucking weirdo and most likely had some ulterior motive as to why you wanted to meet me. So out of safety and security reasons I decided not meet you or message you back. If that makes me a keyboard warrior then so be it. I don't really care what the fuck you think Seor ShitCmdr.

And to be quite frank with you, ShitCmdr, the people of the United States do not want you there. So why don't you do us all a favor and go back to whatever shithole country or rabbit hole you crawled out from?

Gabacho, the guy is worthless. Just put him on ignore.

[Gabacho]

Stop dragging your beef with me into other threads. You are just getting a WWF verbal beatdown that (even with your SUPERIOR English skills) is not making you look to good. Why you so angry my ISG Brother? Elvis tell you he does not want you as his fanboy anymore?.

It was you who dragged it into the general information thread. I'm Surprised the admins didn't delete both our posts in there to keep it clean in the general information thread. Or atleast moved the posts into here. But the admins of this site are lazy and do a lousy job; they are also biased as to what they allow to be posted. And they won't allow you to delete your account and posts either. Don't believe me? Look for an option to delete account like on any other social media, it's not there. It says in the FAQ that you have to PM them and ask to be deleted but even if you do do that they just ignore you. That may be grounds for litigation as there are privacy laws in regards to allowing users to delete there accounts but that isn't what we are discussing here is it?

Also what the hell is wrong with you; "a WWF verbal beat down" lmao again you are making yourself look like a child. "Ima give you a verbal smack down" ok señor shitcmdr you go aright ahead and do that just like when you were in 6th grade LOL. And actually I believe it's called WWE now, not that I watch that stupid wrestling shit because I don't, but I know enough that I remember it changed its name to WWE some years ago.

[Gabacho]

You and Elvis really entertain me. Neither of you have anything intellectually to add nor any useful intelligence. Instead you both choose to call names. Anyone who disagrees with you. You are both original pussy colonizers.

What is the strata of the place where your residence in Medellin again? I've asked you before. My residence and my business operations is in a strata 3.

Another thing, I am not an "original pussy colonizer. " what the fuck does that even mean? That means nothing that isn't even a thing. It's just some stupid ass terminology that you made up in your dumbass mind.

And why does it matter what estrato my barrio is? Just so you can brag and show off to others on ISG that you live (or stay) in a higher estrato barrio than I do?

You are just proving that I was correct in that you have the mentality of a child. Who the fuck brags about shit like that? "I live in a richer neighborhood than you do. " that's shit little kids would say!

Now get off my dick you dumbass idiot, ShitCmdr!

[Elvis 2008]

Whether or not you get a divorce doesn't determine you were a failure.

Nope, you tried to build something and it didn't last. That is a failure. You are just saying it is not because you are divorced.

It's how you handled the divorce. Was there months of screaming and fighting? Were the police called? Do you both hate each other for all eternity? That's a failure

Right. If you do it, it is not a failure.

that's what you get when you buy a girlfriend, either directly, or by trying to be someone you're not.

And here we go again. You are spending money on your "girlfriend", having sex with her, but you are success because you are not buying her.

And spreading Covid around Colombia when you were symptomatic was okay too.

tIf a girl licked Elvis's ass, she's got to be a keeper. She stuck her tongue in the crack of a man too fat to wipe his own ass. Her breath had to have smelled like shit for 3 months.

Reading my private messages does not mean you know me dumbass. You have never seen me in real life. With you, Paulie has. Thing he has told us is if you ever had a woman stick their tongue up your ass, you would have cardiac arrest.

I love how you and the nonjealous Mr. E have "girlfriends" now. What is next? Are you going to show us pics of all the beauty queens you dated?

[Gabacho]

Yes, I know. They are calling for Gabacho. We want Gabacho, Give us Gabacho. We know he fucks hos but we still want Gabacho. They want a guy who is a original pussy colonizer like you and friend Elvis to return to their shores. They need for you to give good girls of the (Dis) United States of America with privilege of getting down on their knees and sucking your dick. But we know they are not going to get that are they? As you are in Colombia until early next year. I think you mentioned that. But I could be mistaken.

Stop dragging your beef with me into other threads. You are just getting a WWF verbal beatdown that (even with your SUPERIOR English skills) is not making you look to good. Why you so angry my ISG Brother? Elvis tell you he does not want you as his fanboy anymore?.

Its spelled "hoes" you idiot we already went over this but apparently you have a bad memory. Even if the singular was "ho" you would still have to add an es to make it plural. Same like potato plural is potatoes and tomato plural is tomatoes.

[Gabacho]

Thank you for reacting my phone number as the rules of ISG require. That is why your other post was deleted because you violated the rules. You must have read the FAQ's and learned your lesson. That is great. Shows you are teachable.

"Anytime you want to speak to me directly I'm available. Let's see if you are just a keyboard warrior are if you really exist. ".

That part of my PM it the part where I indicate to you that I am perfectly willing to speak with you directly. In person. But you are in fear of me. So, no problem. Continue to hide behind your computer screen and beat on your keyboard. I understand why.

You and Elvis really entertain me. Neither of you have anything intellectually to add nor any useful intelligence. Instead you both choose to call names. Anyone who disagrees with you. You are both original pussy colonizers..

Again you never said anything about wanting to meet and when and where. You said if I wanted to speak to you directly I could reach out to you via WhatsApp. I chose not to. That doesn't mean I broke my word because I never agreed to meet you.

I the first post I said "I would meet you anytime you wanted" but you never specified that you wanted to meet. You dumbass. You obviously have a lack of comprehension skills. Also the only reason I mentioned exito Aranjuez had to do with me telling someone else to meet me there earlier in the year but he declined. I wasn't saying I will meet you there at any specific day or time so therefore I didn't go back on my word.

You can keep replying all you want, your still going to be an idiot loser in my opinion (and the opinion of many others) and nothing you can say will ever change that.

[JjBee62]

I got a divorce because I chose to get a divorce. My name is listed as the plaintiff because I did not want to be married anymore. If that is considered a failure then people fail at things sometime. That is life. How did I make myself out to be better than others? If you feel I am better than you then those are your own issues.

Everyone's lifestyle is not the same and one is not better than the other in my eyes. Of course you have expressed your girl and your relationship to be "better than others" notwithstanding that may not even be what someone else wants. I have never encouraged people to go out and be like me, while you have constantly said that if people are not being like you then they are not shit.

Of course. I never said dick was not dick. Men are a dime a dozen the same as women are. There are billions of PEOPLE to choose from on the planet. People are not rare.

Unlike me? When did I ever say there is no pain in a breakup? Depends on the people. When you get old enough and have enough experience you tend to realize that people come and people go and there is no reason to beat yourself up over it.

But I can understand a guy like you who puts all his eggs in one basket and spends tens of thousands of dollars on a chick to be torn up when all that money you spent can not keep her.

What pitfalls? What is special? Two women can do things identical to how you like them. They can both have the same physical features as well. What makes one special and the other one not special? That special shit is in your head. My French Literature professor once said we choose who we love. I think that is a very valid statement because you can love one person that does things the same as another, but you do not love the other. That was your choice to love that person and consider them special.

Whoaaaa. You had to spend money and ask a chick to lick your ass. Fool, too many women have done that to me without me spending a dime or asking for it. Nothing special.

There is the difference. You do what you HAVE to do, while I do what I WANT to do.

If you think of spending money on hookers is a payment of 50,000 pesos to fuck for a few minutes well I guess I do. The most I have ever spent on a hooker is $60. And that was a chick in Thailand for all night. I routinely give them $30 for all night. Not in Brazil, not in Colombia, not in anywhere have I ever spent more than that ON a hooker. I just do not see PUSSY as something I need to pay a bunch of money for.

I spend money WITH my girlfriend. In other words we go out and do nice, and in most cases simple things TOGETHER that they remember the rest of their lives. I do not need to buy them an iPhone or pay their rent or buy scooters for them the way guys like you do. They are with me for me and not because I am spending money.

And when my girlfriends need something they save their own money for it. They don't expect me to be their personal bank.

Whether or not you get a divorce doesn't determine you were a failure. It's how you handled the divorce. Was there months of screaming and fighting? Were the police called? Do you both hate each other for all eternity? That's a failure, and that's what you get when you buy a girlfriend, either directly, or by trying to be someone you're not.

How can you spend years loving someone then start screaming how much you hate them? Sometimes the relationship falls apart. This is quite common with young couples. People change, not always in the same way. The adults realize it's no longer working and end it peaceably. Screaming perceived faults at one another won't fix it.

The pain comes before the breakup. It's when you realize things have changed beyond where you want to be. Once you understand that happiness apart or misery together are the options, you move past the pain.

If a girl licked Elvis's ass, she's got to be a keeper. She stuck her tongue in the crack of a man too fat to wipe his own ass. Her breath had to have smelled like shit for 3 months.

I'm wondering why these guys haven't published their "How to find the perfect woman" books yet.

[SubCmdr]

And to be quite frank with you, ShitCmdr, the people of the United States do not want you there. So why don't you do us all a favor and go back to whatever shithole country or rabbit hole you crawled out from?

Yes, I know. They are calling for Gabacho. We want Gabacho, Give us Gabacho. We know he fucks hos but we still want Gabacho. They want a guy who is a original pussy colonizer like you and friend Elvis to return to their shores. They need for you to give good girls of the (Dis) United States of America with privilege of getting down on their knees and sucking your dick. But we know they are not going to get that are they? As you are in Colombia until early next year. I think you mentioned that. But I could be mistaken.

Stop dragging your beef with me into other threads. You are just getting a WWF verbal beatdown that (even with your SUPERIOR English skills) is not making you look to good. Why you so angry my ISG Brother? Elvis tell you he does not want you as his fanboy anymore?.

[SubCmdr]

Thank you for reacting my phone number as the rules of ISG require. That is why your other post was deleted because you violated the rules. You must have read the FAQ's and learned your lesson. That is great. Shows you are teachable.

"Anytime you want to speak to me directly I'm available. Let's see if you are just a keyboard warrior are if you really exist. ".

That part of my PM it the part where I indicate to you that I am perfectly willing to speak with you directly. In person. But you are in fear of me. So, no problem. Continue to hide behind your computer screen and beat on your keyboard. I understand why.

You and Elvis really entertain me. Neither of you have anything intellectually to add nor any useful intelligence. Instead you both choose to call names. Anyone who disagrees with you. You are both original pussy colonizers.

Perfectly fine with me. A keyboard is better than a pen. I pen runs out of ink. A keyboard won't. And so, you do not have to believe me. All you have to do is stop replying to my posts. Or we can keep this up for as long as the Administrator allows.

Here is your stupid PM (with your phone number redacted) that you sent me the other day, ShitCmdr.

Please do tell me exactly where you are stating that you wanted to arrange to meet me in person and where I gave you my word that I would meet with you?

I'll wait.

As you can see you are just some loser masquerading as a business owner and the fact is that you are full of shit, Seor ShitCmdr.

It is irrelevant at this point. You have already shown that your word means nothing. You have said you will not meet with me after saying that you would.

Ill meet you anytime you want, maybe you got more balls than MiamiBoy and want to meet at Exito Aranjuez?? It not near where I live but it's a half way point between my barrio and Centro.

Who is the one without balls now? I am not the one in need of instruction in the use of the English language. Spin what you wrote anyway you want. It is clear as black and white for everyone to see what you wrote with your English skills that are truly superior to mine.

What is the strata of the place where your residence in Medellin again? I've asked you before. My residence and my business operations is in a strata 3.

Its not bragging if you can back it up. ― Muhammed Ali.

[JjBee62]

So, according to JJbee, aka Prince Charming, a man does NOT need to put any time, effort, money into finding a real girlfriend. Also, no luck is required to find one. All you guys need is to be able to talk to a woman for a couple of hours, (don't forget to sound sincere though) and the next thing you know, she moves in with you and treats you like a king. I guess, having a dick is optional.

Oh Mami'sBoy. You're so cute when you're being stupid, which is 100% of the time.

Living your life takes time. You can't save up the time you used doing nothing and spend it later. What you spend that time doing should be what you want to do. For example, at this time, I want to spend some time making fun of fools. Does the length of my life change if I spent the time sleeping? Probably not, unless I'm also driving.

It doesn't take any time to find a girlfriend, unless you see finding a girlfriend as a poor use of your time. Unless you're one of those INCEL's, who are terrified of meeting a woman on equal terms, finding a girlfriend is fun. Of course, the secret is, finding a girlfriend only works if you're not trying to find a girlfriend.

If you're trying to find a girlfriend you've already set obstacles to block your own path (months of online back and forth messages? Seriously?) and you're either going to miss the right one, or lower your standards and take the wrong one.

You simply say Hello, share a few pleasantries and see if there's any mutual interest. You've brightened someone's day and have given yourself something to smile about. The trick is to do that with everyone. Take a few seconds to just be a decent human being and if you are a decent human being (the difference between being sincere and "sound sincere" soon people will notice. Doors open.

Effort? Once again, life requires effort. If you make being nice, friendly and sincere as part of your life, then finding girls to date requires no effort at all. If you're dating (and you're nice, friendly and sincere) you'll find a girlfriend.

Putting money into the search? That's just stupid. All you'll find is someone who wants money. Sure, if you're dating you'll spend money, but the amount you spend is irrelevant. I've bought my girlfriend a lot of gifts, some have been quite expensive. But the gift which always gets the best reaction costs about $3. Instead of going to the most expensive restaurants we go to places where she can experience new treats, or revisit treats which I've shown her. It's not the price tag, it's the experience.

Luck? There's a Mark Twain short story about a legislative case in Kentucky. The legislature had ruled that a certain card game was illegal because it was a game of chance. The challengers to the law said to put it to a test. If it was a game of chance, then the legislators would have an equal chance of winning as the card players. So they played. The end result was that the law was rescinded because calling a game of skill a game of chance only hurt the people who believed it was a game of chance.

Finding a girlfriend isn't a game of chance. What qualities are you looking for? What type of background? What do you expect from her? Then you find an area with lots of potential girlfriends and start talking to women. Of course you've got to have something of interest to the girls. A personality would be a good start. Unfortunately you can't buy that. Self-esteem is good, along with personal hygiene and a sense of humor. Actually, in your case it's going to require luck, because other than personal hygiene, the other factors seem to be beyond your grasp.

[JjBee62]

It's so much fun watching you flounder with subjects you obviously know nothing about.

It may take a few years / months and 10's or 100's of dates, or months of back and forth correspondence before you even get to the point of meeting the right person. But if your standards are low and you can date any human with a pussy, then yes, the task becomes less time consuming.

This clarifies you've never been on an actual date, or had an actual girlfriend. The clincher is "months of back and forth correspondence. ".

When I was setting up dates online, I usually spent 20-30 minutes to make the date. Why waste months talking online? Unless you're so butt ugly that you have to spend months convincing a girl that you don't have some terrible disfiguring disease, get to the point. "I'm going to be in town next week. Let's go out and do something fun. ".

What next stage? We are talking about dating, not just getting laid. Time and effort go hand in hand. Going on multiple dates requires not only time (see p. 1), but effort to do so as well.

There's your problem. You see going on a date as effort. That declares you can't afford to relax and be yourself. You have to constantly remember to be the person you're pretending to be. Dates are fun. You laugh, discover new things and decide if there will be another date with the girl. That's the next stage, another date. As for time, I don't consider having fun as a use of my time to be monitored and rationed.

You have actually defined game later in your post. "If you can't strike up a conversation, be interesting and get inside her defenses". Yes, you have to have some social skills to strike up a conversation. You have to be interesting, fun, intelligent. And you got to overcome any objections she might have. This is all part of game.

If she has objections and you're trying to overcome them, you're not on the road to a real girlfriend, you're simply trying to get laid. Relationships are a mutual endeavor. You shouldn't try to convince a girl to enter a relationship she doesn't want. I think most of us made that mistake when we were first dating. Once again, if you had ever dated, or been in a relationship, you would have known better.

I said "money", not "a lot of money". Yes, dumbass, you need to have money, unless your ideal date is dinner at KFC followed by a romantic night at Motel 8. And even KFC is not free. Does your "girlfriend" fly to the USA On her dime? Does she pay when you go out with her? I bet she doesn't. The one spending required money is you.

Actually you said:

Getting a real girlfriend requires a lot of time, effort, game, money and luck.

In that sentence, "a lot" applies to each noun. Otherwise it makes no sense. Are you trying to say "A lot of time, a significant amount of effort, some game, a little money and a smidgen of luck?" Or did you not understand how to properly construct a sentence?

Dates require no money. You've never just taken a girl to the park? Or to a nearby beach? Never just watched the fireworks? Dating is about spending time with the other person. You can spend a lot, or nothing at all. Some of my best dates started with simple, free activities.

Does my girlfriend spend her own money? Not usually, but that's the difference between having a relationship and just dating. I would never pay a girl I'm just thinking about dating to come to me.

You have to be at the right place at the right time. And that is luck. Then everything else comes into play (time, effort, money, etc).

Nonsense. You had to be in the right place, at the right time to catch Hank Aaron's 714th home run. Women are literally everywhere. There's 4 billion of them. If you see meeting a woman the same as buying a lottery ticket, then it all makes sense.

It's simple. You see a girl who appeals to you. You introduce yourself. Each step along the way you see if she checks the right boxes. If she doesn't, you either move on, or keep her on the back burner for sex, while you search for something better.

For the record, the girl who you're now referring to as my girlfriend, I didn't bother to try and set up a date. Travel bans were in place, so she was just one of the many girls I talked to each day. When the bans were lifted and I could travel, I simply told her when I was coming to Medellin. Then I said I had everything set up except finding a ride from the airport. She immediately offered to come (with her sister) to pick me up. I already knew I wanted to meet her, and I wanted to see if she would jump at the chance to meet me. She did. She even made a cute sign with my name on it and brought me a donut.

In exchange for a free ride from the airport, I took them both out to dinner. Nothing more. I had other girls to see and I knew there was no need to push her. On my next trip, we spent more time together, mostly with her sister and friends. Again, there was no rush, I still had other girls to see. By the end of the trip we started dating. The next trip we went off alone together for 6 days. The rest is history.

At each stage, no effort, no time, no game, not much money, since we just did things I was already planning to do. Not really any luck either. I found a potential source for both regular girls and prostitutes and decided to see if it was worth checking out. At each step I simply gave her an opening to suggest getting together. From the ride from the airport, to the first time alone with me, to the first night I spent in her house, I just dangled the possibility and she asked me.

Does it require effort to maintain? Yes. A little. I have to remember things, and use my knowledge of her to find new adventures. However, that's fun and the rewards make it all worthwhile.