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05-18-24 13:20 #7248
Posts: 16400Originally Posted by JjBee62 [View Original Post]
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05-18-24 13:09 #7247
Posts: 642What is the point of this covid vaccine debate?
I think we can all agree on one point. No one is going to change their mind.
Anti-covid vaccine believers think the other side are idiots and mindless sheep.
Covid vaccine believers think the other side are idiots and uneducated.
You can go back and forth but it accomplishes nothing. Isn't there better things to do?
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05-18-24 09:05 #7246
Posts: 5496Originally Posted by MrEnternational [View Original Post]
Science is never "dead wrong (explanationat end). " Scientists can be dead wrong, but that's extremely rare. Most often, when a scientist turns out to be dead wrong it's because they falsified data for their own benefit. Take Andrew Wakefield for a relevant example.
In order for science to be accepted as valid (based on the data currently available) it has to be repeatable and observable by other scientists, the peer review process. Most of the "science" which is supposedly being suppressed won't be submitted for peer review and is only published in fringe publications which don't require peer review.
Putting it in golf terms, in any tournament play, each golfer scores his own round, but his card must be reviewed by his opponent. Any errors result in penalties. Now imagine a tournament, 72 players. At the end of the round, 71 players had their card reviewed by someone they played with. All good. However, number 72 refused to let anyone check his card and claimed to have shot 20 under par for the round. He's disqualified, canceled, suppressed and it's all big golf trying to control the world, and not a guy cheating at golf.
Science is a constant attempt to find better answers, not right answers, better answers. Opium probably works quite well on headaches, heroin is derived from opium, as is morphine. Now we have aspirin, ibuprofen, acetaminophen and others to provide better answers for headaches. We've also found better answers to using leeches or fire to remove evil from a person.
All those planes you fly on, science did that. Your car, your guns, your food and the bed you sleep on all brought to you by science.
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05-18-24 08:24 #7245
Posts: 1926Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]
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05-17-24 21:08 #7244
Posts: 3640Originally Posted by AmorPorFavor [View Original Post]
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05-17-24 20:45 #7243
Posts: 3640Originally Posted by AmorPorFavor [View Original Post]
In an ongoing, placebo-controlled, observer-blinded, multinational, pivotal efficacy trial, we randomly assigned 44,165 participants 16 years of age or older and 2264 participants 12 to 15 years of age to receive two 30-956;g doses, at 21 days apart, of BNT162 b2 or placebo.
Reactogenicity events among the participants who were not in the reactogenicity subgroup were reported as adverse events, which resulted in imbalances between the BNT162 b2 group and the placebo group with respect to adverse events (30% vs. 14% related adverse events (24% vs. 6% and severe adverse events (1. 2% vs. 0. 7% New adverse events attributable to BNT162 b2 that were not previously identified in earlier reports included decreased appetite, lethargy, asthenia, malaise, night sweats, and hyperhidrosis. Few participants had serious adverse events or adverse events that led to trial withdrawal.
During the blinded, placebo-controlled period, 15 participants in the BNT162 b2 group and 14 in the placebo group died; during the open-label period, 3 participants in the BNT162 b2 group and 2 in the original placebo group who received BNT162 b2 after unblinding died. None of these deaths were considered to be related to BNT162 b2 by the investigators.
Then there was this study from 9 months earlier.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577
The incidence of serious adverse events was low and was similar in the vaccine and placebo groups.
LOL Whoops!
And this was the line that got the vaccine approved: A two-dose regimen of BNT162 b2 conferred 95% protection against Covid-19 in persons 16 years of age or older.
Originally Posted by AmorPorFavor [View Original Post]
Because any sane person who looks at the data and the projections made when the vaccines came out knows the vaccine is / was a fucking joke. Without the 3.5% death rate hysteria made up to get Trump out of office, these vaccines NEVER would have been approved nor should they have been.
And before you say the vaccines "worked" against Covid, keep in mind the all time high number of Covid cases by far were in Spring 2022 one year after the vaccines were made widely available. The boosters were made available because the vaccines were not working.
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05-17-24 19:45 #7242
Posts: 586Originally Posted by MrEnternational [View Original Post]
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05-16-24 23:39 #7241
Posts: 16400Originally Posted by AmorPorFavor [View Original Post]
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05-16-24 20:58 #7240
Posts: 3640Originally Posted by MrEnternational [View Original Post]
If vaccines were looked at for what they are, poisons you are trying to get your body used to, instead of as a measure that lowers your immediate risk of disease, the military might be the place for people to get more rational. As it stands now, I was talking to one military man, and the new recruits were just pounded them with vaccines their first day. The military assured the recruits the vaccines were safe, but the next day they had a slew of doctors around checking for side effects. He wondered to himself and later said to me, "Hey, if these vaccines are so safe, why were there so many doctors around the next day?
There was controversy with the MMR vaccine, and there was an autism doctor I knew who questioned it. He was not anti-vaccine but he said why are you packaging three diseases (measles, mumps, rubella) at one time. No one gets all three of those diseases at once in real life. Why don't you split it up? It makes perfect sense if you look at vaccines as mimicking nature and if you look at vaccines as poison you are trying to get used to. I suspect they are lumped together because of money.
The military is one group that could stand up to the drug companies. It would be interesting to see if some general allowed for his soldiers to opt out of getting vaccines and study which group was healthier, the vaxxed or unvaxxed.
After looking at the data from that doctor Paul Thomas, I would suspect the people not getting massive doses of poison all at once would be healthier.
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05-16-24 20:54 #7239
Posts: 586Originally Posted by MrEnternational [View Original Post]
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05-16-24 20:38 #7238
Posts: 3640Originally Posted by Villainy [View Original Post]
The second was ten months later when the vaccine did not work and was mandated for travel.
I guess your little brain does not understand the difference between the words voluntary and mandate or the words effective and not effective. All it can handle is provaxx and antivaxx.
Maybe your brain is as alcohol and aluminum soaked as Huacho's is.
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05-16-24 02:38 #7237
Posts: 770Originally Posted by AmorPorFavor [View Original Post]
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05-16-24 01:22 #7236
Posts: 16400Originally Posted by AmorPorFavor [View Original Post]
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05-16-24 00:55 #7235
Posts: 819Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]
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05-15-24 23:16 #7234
Posts: 586Originally Posted by MrEnternational [View Original Post]