Medellin Reports

[DriftClouds]

I am planning my second visit to Medellin for personal pleasure, my American friend invested a house in Medellin to a local Colombian, I don't really trust his local friend because I think it is a bad investment. The next time when I visit medellin alone or with my friend, we will stay at that house. And I don't know if I should be honest about what I do, maybe there are some anti-america in the local community? Or are they actually respect US government employee? Now I am not a DEA agent but let's say I can't be in a hostile country.

[Zeos1]

I spent a week there. I cannot speak Spanish (I may have learned 20 words after this trip). Safety and comfort were first, and cost was second. I stuck to these three venues.

La Isla Club.

50 K cover. Drinks are 50 K. Girls are 600 K plus 50 K Tips. Way too many bros are making it rain using 2 peso notes.

Fase II.

20 K to 50 K cover. Drinks are 40 K. Girls are 400 K plus 50 K Tip.

Loutron.

No cover if you select a girl. 600 K + 50 K Tip. Loutron had the best-looking girls in a relaxed environment, so this is where I was almost every day. Best to go around 6 PM.

Yes, I was paying above-average prices, but still, 1/5 of what I will spend in LA for the same quality.

Just a note on the 2 K peso tips. That is the common way of reimbursement for the girls that dance in all the clubs I have been to. Especially the strip clubs where it is just locals (or mostly). So not a gringo thing or whatever. Girls does a dance, goes and collects 2 K tip from those that are there. Of course you don't have to pay, but it is how they get paid aside from trips to the rooms for services that might be anywhere from 60 or 80 mil to much much more at high end strip clubs. My point is. Don't bother fighting that battle. It is just how things work there. Girl dances. Give her the 2 k when she comes around.

Not necessarily the same thing as making it rain with bills. That is a whole different issue.

[Casa No Va]

Hey Nounce,

Thanks for responding.

But I'm still a bit in the dark. Are the prices you listed from 150 k to 250 k what a good price for an hour in Lleras with one pop.

Or YMMV and seasoned mongers are paying girls from Lleras that price for Todo La Noche, bareback, and multiple shots on goal.

If that's the case then yes I should be trying to negotiate more or getting a Facebook list of chicas.

That's what I mean there are a lot of posts talking prices but not specifying if it was for a short time, 2 hrs, MSOG, BBFS.

You say that searching the forum I can find that info. But I read the Medellin thread often and rarely see usual overnight prices being talked about.

Or adicionales which factor in. Some go out looking specifically for an overnighter taking all the other necessary precautions mentioned on these forums and internet.

In Bogota I work backwards. If a casa girls price is 120 k + 80 for BBJ+ 100 k extra for BBFS house takes at least half so getting her digits (90% aren't answering their own ads).

I can expect her to come over to my Hotel for 1/2 of 300 k. 150 k plus taxis maybe after 11 pm or on a Sunday for an HR or two same service or better. Which both they usually end up staying extra and sleeping over for double the price breakfast plus a good tip. So 400 k overnight all included Most off the bat from the start will want 600 TLN.

Which makes sense because most casas have them charging 1,000,000 cop overnight.

Agency prices another story. Haven't tried to take out middleman in that situation yet. To.

Be continued. Thanks for chiming in and all the extra info guys.

[Belem148]

First time in Medellin in a year and everything has changed. The immigration officer asked to check my phone and thank goodness I had just gotten a new phone the day before and had nothing on it. Both immigration officers looked at me with disgust regardless. First La Isla prices are through the roof and are not worth it. The women there keep hounding you for money. It's a complete gringo trap now. They charge $150-200 for one bang not including entry fee and drinks. I went with a girl and I didn't last 10 minutes and I felt like a complete idiot. $150 for that? What a complete ripoff!

On facebook tons of girls are gone and there are barely girls advertising now. Its like only the fuglies remain. I did find one keeper, she was 20 yr old spinner. I am very very discreet and checked her ID. 20 minutes after she arrives, I hear the loudest banging on my door and it's 4 police officers! They came in furious, screaming asking questions. Apparently, a lady in the building called the cops. Now the girl who was aggressive in negotiating played victim. They asked for her ID and it was fake! Luckily she turned out to be 18 and she was just too lazy to get her own ID but what a terrible experience. What if she was 17? I would've gone to jail and my face would've been all over the news. They took pictures of me. All the neighbors were in the hallways wondering what was going on. It was 3 hour debacle..

I've noticed a lot of the Facebook girls went to work in Spain and Mexico, including some I know personally.

[JustTK]

When I can't speak more than 10 words of Spanish, and want Loutron-quality girls..

I would love to know what a loutron quality girl is because as far as I can tell the only thing they have in vommon spart from same number of body parts is that they all charge crazy price. So if that's what you want simply pay the next girl you meet 600. *Smile*.

[Mr Enternational]

Some have said that the girls know their worth. This one will be at the top at La Isla, Gusto or anywhere she goes, if one likes slender, model type figure and pretty face, she will be at the top with little competition. She does not know her worth or she has not met the men who know her worth. I treat and pay her just like a 6, 7. They are all the same rate. LOL. She is eager to get my business. She wanted to see me but I didn't have time and not that eager to see her so she kept nagging me. haha.

It is unfortunate that most guys fall for the women speak. They say a bunch of shit to make it sound like they are saying something meaningful, but when the rubber meets the road it actually does not mean shit. It is just some affirmation bullshit. But guys go on to defend the women by parrotting the same bullshit affirmations on their behalf.

Just recently broke up with my girlfriend in Brazil because she tried to pull that bullshit on me. She is going to tell me she knows her worth. Well I guess she has never met a mf like me who will actually ask what her worth is. So when I asked she tried to deflect and say I should be asking what my own worth is. I said hey I did not say anything about worth. It came out of your mouth so you need to clarify what your worth is so we can be on the same page. Then she wanted to pull the I don't have to tell you. I am just not used to having weak men by my side. I said okay. So in other words you don't know. She then says we will see. I said we don't have to see shit. If you said it then you can tell me now.

Then a few days later she comes crawling back talking about don't be upset with her and that she misses me. Shit that ship has already sailed. The same way I found her is the same way I was already looking for another one. If a chick tells me something then that opens it up for me to ask questions (to which they never have answers to). I am not going to go along to get along just thankful that I am getting some pussy. She is going to get tried by fire over here.

[Nounce]

I think the biggest driver is personality. Some guys don't have the personality to try to bargain for a lower price. Some guys act like the girl is doing them a favor, so they are quite alright with and as we see many times even volunteer to pay extra. My personality is that I do not see it as something I need to pay a lot for. My attitude is that I am not about to pay all that money just for some pussy. Others' attitude is oh boy this is my lucky day to be getting some pussy from a fairly attractive chick and all it will cost me is money.

Some have said that the girls know their worth. This one will be at the top at La Isla, Gusto or anywhere she goes, if one likes slender, model type figure and pretty face, she will be at the top with little competition. She does not know her worth or she has not met the men who know her worth. I treat and pay her just like a 6, 7. They are all the same rate. LOL. She is eager to get my business. She wanted to see me but I didn't have time and not that eager to see her so she kept nagging me. haha. I do not want to post our other conversations because I don't want someone to rat me out. But she is just like all others. A longtime friend in high places introduced her to me because I am too infatuated with another paisa so he tried to save me. I follow the same deal, so I don't spoil this girl. I could not let her leave early because that would break the deal. So, I traded for 1 minute of DFK for each 10 minutes she has to stay. That got me hard very quick. LOL.

In reality, hot girls don't provide better sex. 10 in appearance and 10 in bed is a rare combination.

I see a lot of people saying what prices are too High to be quoted in lleras.
But not a lot of info on what amount newbies should be countering with or what price point to stick to depending on diferent venues.
Seems like one poster was speaking about club prices. Are those not usually set by the establishment. Or just the exit fee.
What are seasoned mongers paying in lleras short time compared to TLN. Also adicionales always plays a factor.
Seen mostly the prices that should be expected and quoted in Centro but not much on Lleras in todays market or clubs where girls set their own prices

Just a general observation and you can find the similar pricing information on ISG. You need to have basic discipline to not overpay. You can get decent looking girls for no more than 250. 200 is common, 150 is also doable. These prices do not include Uber. I guess very few people will start their offer at 150 and probably not many girls will accept 150 so we don't hear about 150 as much. I put these numbers out, but it does not necessary mean you will get it because YMMV and you are starting from fresh. These girls will be discovered too so their price may not stay the same, and you just move on to get new ones

Unless you can't find the girl elsewhere and you must have her, then you pay what you want to get it. The same rule applies if you can't find a suitable girl for 250, then you pay more until you find one that costs less, then you can drop one expensive one. It's simple logic. I went thru the process that I thought I had to pay more but I have been here a long time and know some generous friends that share their knowledge so now I know I don't need to.

You will be quoted tourist price if you go to the places that target tourists. You are just paying more to the the girl with the same background from cheaper places. The girls at Lleras are not hotter so why do they cost more?

I would love to know how to get this type of deal (600 K, 2 girls, all night).

It's not automatic. If you have regular, then you can start from there. It's well documented on ISG that the girls will stay longer for free if they like you. In the case I am talking about is that you pay a little extra to have regular to stay longer, or overnight.

[TheDerilious]

In my opinion, A 3 4 5 are "not lazy". Would you say B and 6 are "not lazy".

Depends, but yes, some can probably be considered lazy. On the other hand, this job is often about being ready for random calls. A full time job interferes with that. If you have to be out late a night every all of the time, you'll be tired the next morning. If you have to waste hours everyday texting punters who string you along and bail or waste your time texting them to get a date, those are hours you lose.

This same argument applies to all of us where we could all work three jobs and 100 hours a week to get it rich, but no one would consider you lazy for just doing one 40 hours a week job. As a person who has dabbled in normie content creation, I know this well. Your "work" isn't just the time you record; it's the time you research topics, edit videos, respond to comments. It's the strain of doing that day in and day out, and eventually, how a real job will interfere with it. You will find that most content creators eventually quit because it is very difficult to balance both.

Just to note, my argument isn't that there are no lazy women, rather that the act of doing sex work as a main profession is not lazy and too often, we see punters complain about lazy women who are generally grinding every night for customers.

[Nounce]

It seems you have not been in mongering long. I know ugly chicks in various countries that have been at the job in excess of 20 years. Wonder how they could be at it day in and day out if nobody is paying to bang them. And maybe you have not seen half the pictures posted on this forum.

And you can see them in Park LLeras, and getting attention too.

[Nounce]

I'll go slow.

Scenario A: Girl gets paid $10 a day for 8 hours of work at a restaurant. She lives in abject poverty, scraping to make ends meet for herself (and her kid, potentially), and is constantly tired and stressed due to working all of the time.

Scenario be: Girl gets paid $100 dollars a day to spend those hours being available to turn tricks. She lives better, maybe enough to buy stuff for herself (and her kid, potentially), and has less stress than before.

Is she being lazy to not want to do Scenario A or making a "somewhat" rationale choice to do be?

In developing countries, you see more women from better backgrounds get into the business to just make side money (e. G. Sugaring) and they charge more because of that. It's why we often complain about prices in our home countries being jacked up. One can argue that the women are being "lazy" because there are more ways to earn a decent living that aren't super strenuous. But in poorer countries, those opportunities are not as available, so you often see girls choosing to get into the business.

Scenario 3. A girl who works full time like Scenario A, and also has a job like B does.

Scenario 4. A girl who goes to Centrol to work everyday from 10 AM to 7 PM. It can be any jobs.

Scenario 5. A girl who goes to New Life to work everyday.

Scenario 6. A girl who sits at home doing nothing meaningful except when she got no more than 1 date / per day.

In my opinion, A 3 4 5 are "not lazy". Would you say B and 6 are "not lazy".

[Turgid]

......In developing countries, you see more women from better backgrounds get into the business to just make side money (e. G. Sugaring) and they charge more because of that......

My concern about sugaring viz. Seeking is that the girls there may just be prostitutes seeking higher pay.

[TheDerilious]

I am wondering what do you call this?
The girls who I have asked will generally tell me they don't work because the pay is little.

I'll go slow.

Scenario A: Girl gets paid $10 a day for 8 hours of work at a restaurant. She lives in abject poverty, scraping to make ends meet for herself (and her kid, potentially), and is constantly tired and stressed due to working all of the time.

Scenario be: Girl gets paid $100 dollars a day to spend those hours being available to turn tricks. She lives better, maybe enough to buy stuff for herself (and her kid, potentially), and has less stress than before.

Is she being lazy to not want to do Scenario A or making a "somewhat" rationale choice to do be?

In developing countries, you see more women from better backgrounds get into the business to just make side money (e. G. Sugaring) and they charge more because of that. It's why we often complain about prices in our home countries being jacked up. One can argue that the women are being "lazy" because there are more ways to earn a decent living that aren't super strenuous. But in poorer countries, those opportunities are not as available, so you often see girls choosing to get into the business.

[TheDerilious]

It seems you have not been in mongering long. I know ugly chicks in various countries that have been at the job in excess of 20 years. Wonder how they could be at it day in and day out if nobody is paying to bang them. And maybe you have not seen half the pictures posted on this forum.

Look, I also enjoy being obtuse from time to time to troll, but it's not useful here. We are clearly talking about broader trends, not your anecdotes and over-exaggerated literal reading. The point is that women who do this business are prized for their looks in some way, shape, or form. Those who can tip the scale on making that look "worth" the money you spend get more customers. Those who have less to offer on that front, charge less (hence why you often see uglier women charge less). It makes it more difficult for those people to earn a living so it's less worth the hassle. I'm not saying only 9's and 10's become working girls, simply that it explains why a less attractive girl will be less likely to consider the business. It's the same reason a guy without a GED is less likely to apply for a manager position compared to an MBA grad. I didn't expect to have to explain the basics of economics, but here we are.

If anything, your point only reinforces mine. In poor areas, it is more likely to see girls of all types get into the business because there is a strong economic incentive.

[Knowledge]

Colombians absolutely wear shorts around the barrios, on weekends, and in and on the way to or from the gym. Tourists wear shorts all the time, anytime, anywhere. Here is the difference. Colombians rarely if ever wear shorts in the following places / situations but tourists do: at night, when the weather is cold and / or rainy, in high end restaurants, in office buildings and banks, in discos and nightclubs.

Nah. Walk around the malls you'll see plenty of Colombians wearing shorts. Why wear pants and long sleeve shirts when its 80 degrees outside? Its silly. Anyways be yourself. Your a gringo whether you wear pants or shorts.

[ElSexoChino7]

First time in Medellin in a year and everything has changed. The immigration officer asked to check my phone and thank goodness I had just gotten a new phone the day before and had nothing on it.

What was the reason for searching your phone? Did they search everyone else phone in immigration line? Or was just you? I was just there in Medellin few weeks ago and never encountered this scenario before. I dress down whenever I visit Medellin and strictly no jewelry, watch, or anything shiny. I bet they only do this when there's not many people in immigration so your arrival time does play a role for this activity.