Pattaya Reports

[Werqweq]

My answer is "as long as I can remember" (and that is as long ago as 30 years and as recently as 6 years).

This is based on first-hand experience; that is, knowing the Thais who have visited Cowboy with me. Also, some upper middle / lower "high class" Khmer dudes. One held a Secretary position in the Thaksin Adminstration. (And, I don't mean a "clerk-typist. LOL) Another was a Thai whose father was the Thai Ambassador to a European country.) Another, an assistant professor at a well-known Thai uni. The Khmer were very successful entrepeneurs and government officials in Cambodia.

Generalizations aside, can be very difficult to really know whether a person is Thai, Khmer, or even Filipino. Even among those groups, they can have difficulty in identifying nationality just by appearance.

Now, in only one case did any of them barfine a "dancer". They were just curious about the scene and all thoroughly enjoyed the evenings. In the one case when one of the Thais did barfine, the mamasan explained that the girl could not be seen leaving with him. He was told that the girl could have a boyfriend in the area and it could make for a problem. She did not want to set a precedent. (Maybe the boyfriend would think she was going to get a lower payment. Ha ha ha) I should note that he did choose a "stunner"; what you might call "the pick of the litter". LOL.

In the handful of occasions of which I speak, not once were my Thai or Khmer friends refused entry or service or ignored by the girls at the biggest and "best" bars on Cowboy.

Sam.

More likely it was because the boyfriend was ok about her going with a farang for money (that she would later share with him), as we don't count, while drama would ensue if he saw her go with a Thai man.

While I've long since put the guy you responded to on ignore due all the useless nonsense posted, he does have a point here I believe. You're friends were obviously upper class, and that would be obvious to the bar staff by their appearance and behaviour, no doubt resulting in the usual thai deference to another Thai of higher status. You say you went with other Thai guys too, but I suspect if your friends were motorbike taxi guys, or of similar stature, they'd be much less welcome.

One mamasan I fucked a few times (for free, when I was still young and handsome, after meeting here at a regular club the first time) said she did not want thai men inside her bar because they worried they could be undercover police, but I suspect a bigger part of the reason was the aforementioned "sex with farang for money doesn't count to the thai boyfriend".

[SoberHans69]

For me it's hands down Jakarta right now and has been for years. Walk into Classic and you'll wonder why you haven't been going there for years. Jakarta is mainly point and shoot like Soi 6 with rooms on premise. Read the Jakarta forum. I try posting updates every few days only to have LoveItHere continue to rag on me that all my posts are story telling. Of course he doesn't post any reviews and says he's there. Anyways off topic.

On a way different rate scale is Japan but you'll be used to it paying Oase girls 200 euro per hour. Beautiful Japanese girls in RLD. No, I'm not referring to Tokyo's old ladies. No, you won't videos of these places on YouTube cause everyone is afraid of backlash from the Yakuza. Expensive? Damn right for a cheap arse like myself but you have to spoil yourself once in a while.

Beautiful girls in HCMC too but quick FS options other than online stuff is limited to massage places. Check out YouTube videos of Cherry Linh Spa. Stunning lineup. I think it's Asian Nights that posts some good YouTube videos.

Another favorite for many guys is PP. Khmer girls aren't really my look so I don't go.

I've read plenty of times that the girls at Classic are pretty much forced to work there. Main thing that's put me off trying Jakarta.

[Banana Boi]

Your final paragraph is interesting. If FKKs and Thailand have descended out of the top two (for me they are still in both slots!) where do you prefer?

For me it's hands down Jakarta right now and has been for years. Walk into Classic and you'll wonder why you haven't been going there for years. Jakarta is mainly point and shoot like Soi 6 with rooms on premise. Read the Jakarta forum. I try posting updates every few days only to have LoveItHere continue to rag on me that all my posts are story telling. Of course he doesn't post any reviews and says he's there. Anyways off topic.

On a way different rate scale is Japan but you'll be used to it paying Oase girls 200 euro per hour. Beautiful Japanese girls in RLD. No, I'm not referring to Tokyo's old ladies. No, you won't videos of these places on YouTube cause everyone is afraid of backlash from the Yakuza. Expensive? Damn right for a cheap arse like myself but you have to spoil yourself once in a while.

Beautiful girls in HCMC too but quick FS options other than online stuff is limited to massage places. Check out YouTube videos of Cherry Linh Spa. Stunning lineup. I think it's Asian Nights that posts some good YouTube videos.

Another favorite for many guys is PP. Khmer girls aren't really my look so I don't go.

[CaliGuy33]

Keeping it 100. First visit to Pattaya my friends taught me the system. I have yet to visit a bar or restaurant that has not followed the structure you outlined. One time a waitress at one of my favorite restaurants made a mistake on a bill charging me a side order when it was included in my meal. I pointed her error out on menu. She said she served me two the the particular item (she had not). I paid the bill and simply did not return anymore. When it comes to business I simply vote with my baht. There are too many business competing for my money to allow myself to get caught up in games any business owner wants to play.

A bar bill dispute is not a situation that requires the use of deadly force. Period!. Criminal charges should be filed against the security that used deadly force inappropriately.

I have the same mentality. If I am being short changed or overcharged, I let them know that and if they don't rectify it I let them know that I will not be returning. As you said, let your money do the talking.

I have only had a few instances of this anyways and it was only for a 100 THB one time and a few hundred THB the other, no big deal. But it's about being treated with respect.

My. 2 cents is to not frequent Soi 6 bars. So many reputable bars and GCs in Buakho and around Pattaya and Jomtien where you don't have to worry about this kind of stuff, especially getting your a $$ kicked or killed. That's why when Indo go to the 6, I simply talk to the ladies from the curb, negotiate and head up for ST. I have never and never will I frequent a Soi 6 bar for drinks.

[PayForIt]

Thanks PFI. I haven't been to a FKK in years nor do I read the Germany FKK forum of the same person replying to himself under multiple handles. Was considering going next Spring but you have just made is abundantly clear to me that Germany is out forever. My approach in Thailand is also very different than most "tourists". I do not pay barfines or buy tons of LD's just to get a girl to go with me. On occasion I may rack up a bigger drink bill than anyone wants to admit to but none of that bill will be for a barfine or because a girl wanted 10/20/40 drinks before she would go with me.

The bottom line is neither of these 2 places should be tops in your sex destination. They are both pricing themselves out of the market for top talent. Now if you want average or below average girls then both countries still have lots of options like Soi 6, Beach Road or Soi 25 in Thailand or Totalclub Osnabruck for 35 euro for 30 minutes or the AO clubs.

Your final paragraph is interesting. If FKKs and Thailand have descended out of the top two (for me they are still in both slots!) where do you prefer? I've not done South America despite a lot of mongers urging the trip. I have a pal who went out to Columbia and Brazil for 3 weeks. For sure the girls were pretty but he was mugged twice in Brazil, robbed at gunpoint one of those times and was sure they would have killed him but for him paying up, and had two guys beat him up and steal his wallet outside a bar in Medellin. To be clear. This friend of mine is over 6 ft tall, 42 yrs old and has a good physique. He is no pushover but as someone once correctly said "muscles don't do well against bullets". So not sure SA is on my bucket list anytime soon. I've done Cambodia. Cheap but not stellar options. I have mongered in Spain for 30 years. Again - no longer cheap and poor options. Same is true of France, Germany outside of FKKs, Australia, Bali, Singapore. Dubai has fabulous options but is far from cheap. So I'm interested in which would be your top 3 for example and why.

I'm also not a huge BF fan. Indeed when in Thailand I much prefer the Gents Clubs for atmosphere and general relaxation. Never done the AO clubs in Germany. Bareback definitely not for me.

[Kontiki]

Lots of bars on soi six are infamous for this, had this occur during my last trip in April when I was sitting with the same girl and had ordered her a ld and myself a new beer, got the updated bill and it had gone from 2 ld+1 beer to 5 ld+2 beer, I pointed out the mistake, the girl went to talk with the mamasan who offered a quick apology and it was fixed.

No point in causing a scene or being upset or aggressive like these guys but on the other hand don't be stupid and naive, these people aren't your friends.

[SubCmdr]

Well run bars bring you the bill after every order and it sits in front of you. Very well run bars even make you sign the drink bill after each drink you order. ALWAYS check your bill EVERY time you get a new one. Dispute it on the spot if it's padded. Pay for your drinks round by round if they don't bring you a new bill after every order. Mistakes happen on bills. It's happened to me at a regular gogo bar I attend. My girls yelled at the cashier for me!

Keeping it 100. First visit to Pattaya my friends taught me the system. I have yet to visit a bar or restaurant that has not followed the structure you outlined. One time a waitress at one of my favorite restaurants made a mistake on a bill charging me a side order when it was included in my meal. I pointed her error out on menu. She said she served me two the the particular item (she had not). I paid the bill and simply did not return anymore. When it comes to business I simply vote with my baht. There are too many business competing for my money to allow myself to get caught up in games any business owner wants to play.

A bar bill dispute is not a situation that requires the use of deadly force. Period!. Criminal charges should be filed against the security that used deadly force inappropriately.

[Sam Sanuk]

Well run bars bring you the bill after every order and it sits in front of you. Very well run bars even make you sign the drink bill after each drink you order. ALWAYS check your bill EVERY time you get a new one. Dispute it on the spot if it's padded. Pay for your drinks round by round if they don't bring you a new bill after every order. Mistakes happen on bills. It's happened to me at a regular gogo bar I attend. My girls yelled at the cashier for me!

Examining every bill when it is delivered is standard procedure for Thais. I know this from having dinners or lunches with them and they pick up the "check bin". There is nothing rude about doing this. SOP in Thailand. Legitimate mistakes can be made.

Sam.

[Newton York]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wTHnxyf1MUk

What is wrong with some of these touristy types out there? They think just cause they're of a certain nationality they can mess with the locals? I'm firmly on the side of the Thais on this one. Don't mess with the locals! In any country you're in. Have some respect for the local customs and people, and learning some phrases of Thai go a long way too. I bet these idiots got drunk, went all belligerent and thought they could punch their way out like they would do in some shitty british pub somewhere. But boy did they get what they deserved. Can't get away with that shit in Thailand. Granted, I'll just say that certain types of foreigners will get treated like Gods in Asia, even if they look like freaking Danny Devito, but in this case these morons crossed the line, and you know what that line be? Cash money baby. Cash money.

Although those 2 kiwi idiots that tried to kill a cop, definitely got what they deserved. Just looking at the reports from the NZ side of things, they can't seem to be neutral at all, blaming everything on the Thai cop, but read the full story and you'll see the cop was just doing his job. Don't be that guy fellas. Don't be the ugly foreign tourist. Let's learn a thing or two from our fellow East Asian brothers, who monger quietly, respectfully, under the radar. Never causing problems. Just saying. I spent some years of my youth in South East Asia, cause of Uncle Sam of all things, so trust me, I know a thing or two about conflict.

Be nice.

[Banana Boi]

Well run bars bring you the bill after every order and it sits in front of you. Very well run bars even make you sign the drink bill after each drink you order. ALWAYS check your bill EVERY time you get a new one. Dispute it on the spot if it's padded. Pay for your drinks round by round if they don't bring you a new bill after every order. Mistakes happen on bills. It's happened to me at a regular gogo bar I attend. My girls yelled at the cashier for me!

[ThatGuy101]

It is sad reality these freelancers are hired by a bar or a number of them but the police, media making sure names arent throw out. Hopefully just making them apology and claiming they are going to face charges regardless happens but don't hold our breath.

In the end is it really worth it pay the bill which is what is written one guy had a problem. It was reported one farang struck first and as of now refuse to press any charges.

Maybe she was on the phone with the other bar to send security over it's all speculation as we weren't getting to many details at the moment but maybe just maybe the girl got them to rack up a bill of lady drinks than refused to be bar fined (golden rule one drink rule always ask if she's open to be bar fined) maybe that's why the disagreement followed by one of the friend on his bill or maybe they padded his bill we can't say for sure but yes always just pay your bill and never go back if you were scammed lesson learnt but getting a beat down that brutal over 110 $ Canadian bucks (2800 bhatt) is not worth it and one article says he's in the ICU in serious condition with no more updates but than u saw a video of him getting up so who really knows. I personally thing he’s in the hospital that’s why the Thai police were quick to arrest the guards I think the bar should be held responsible for the guards actions they should've called the police not send in blood thirsty goons to brutal assaults someone that bad. Just intimidation and they were judge jury and Executioner.. laws for a reason let the police handle it

[LittleBigMan]

Some article mentioned them as freelancers. In the video that starts inside, it seems she (mamasan) is contacting someone by phone. This is the point when the customer is irate in front of her. Soon after the guards came running in from another place.

It is sad reality these freelancers are hired by a bar or a number of them but the police, media making sure names arent throw out. Hopefully just making them apology and claiming they are going to face charges regardless happens but don't hold our breath.

In the end is it really worth it pay the bill which is what is written one guy had a problem. It was reported one farang struck first and as of now refuse to press any charges.

[Explorer8939]

There's a video circulating of two Brits being beaten by the security thugs on soi 6 in front of Helicopter.

I've read comments that one of them died after receiving a head quick while on the ground.

The violence used by these fat thugs is trully disgusting.

It is said the guys punched a girl in the face and didn't pay the bill but I've not seen any evidence.

Monger safely everyone and don't ever get in trouble with these fat thugs, it's still better to be scammed than beaten to death by these fat *ssholes.

The alleged dead guy was found on video walking back to his hotel shortly afterwards.

There is another video showing his departure from the scene.

[ThatGuy101]

Everyone knows about security guard attacks but what didn't make the headlines is the dude walking with his girl friend to 7/11 at 430 am in Phuket when he saw a fellow Brit tourist getting ganged by bunch of locals so he went over to what was happening he ended up getting stabbed and stumbling into the 7/11 went to the counter with blooding coming out his mouth trying ask for help but couldn't talk and collapsed on the floor and to undergo surgery.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13437475/amp/Brit-stabbed-break-fight-gang-attack-tourist-Thailand.html

[ThatGuy101]

No the whole altercation started in the bar, 3 on 2, but the fat friend of the guy in white shirt was useless. He was too slow and let his friend being cornered by the 3 pigs and they both got KO'd 3 on 1 and 3 on 1.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1ClOSlyhEY

The rumors of a girl being punched was probably bullshit, they would have been jumped directly in the bar if it was true.

I've seen the video of the mamasan explaining what happened (in Thai), and it all started because of the bill.

They were 2 customers at first and paid their bill regularly but it seems another guy joined them (a fat guy, not clear if it's the same on the video) and this guy moved from table to table and accepted to pay some ladydrinks.


The guy in white shirt paid all his bills and upon leaving one of the stupid girls realized there is one bill not paid and went to them and told them to pay the bill (probably using unappropriated words).

The guy told her he paid everything already. They then told him, yes you have paid but you're friend didn't pay. The guy got angry and called the mamasan a liar and scammer.

It seems his friend was ready to pay the bill but white shirt guy didn't let him do it (probably felt they were being scammed). Then another of his friends (maybe the guy in blue shirt in the vid) verbally and physically assaulted other customers (taking one customer's phone off his hand thinking he was being filmed) and making other customers flee the bar.

That's when she called the 3 security pigs to come in because they didn't want to pay the bill and felt that the guy in white shirt got so angry that he could have hit her too.

It seems the guy that got KO'd didn't do anything wrong, felt scammed and didn't want to back down when the 3 pigs arrived.

I watched one video online it's been removed now I believe but it was CTV footage inside the bar didn't look like he hit that chick on the face at all. When the 3 thugs showed up his friend was holding them back tryna de-escalate it but they were just running up on the guy they weren't there to talk that's pretty obvious when it went outside they beat the shit put him than same thing happened to his friend 2 dudes just kicking the shit out of him while ones on full mount punching his face in non stop than after they finish him the one dude Went Wwe Randy Orton (not even joking) and did the punt kick on his dudes skull he later motionless after that his friend tried to get back up to his feet the (the one who was tryna de-escalate) and one of thugs was still tryna beat him up the bar girls on the street all started holding the thugs back even they knew that was way to much the guy almost didn't stop I think the bar lied about him hitting the girl etc so it wouldn't hurt their business / jobs and to protect the security guards. The business for sure should've called the police not 3 thugs looking for a fight.