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[SubCmdr]

It is easy to tell the guys who are on here to try to boost their ego among a bunch of anonymous mongers. They post stuff like - I bang only the hottest girls in (insert name of country or brothel) or all the girls give me BBFS. Posting stuff like that makes them feel good. I suspect that those guys are the losers among us.

Agreed

Had no idea there were 2000 baht Beach Road girls.

Why would you? No one except for me hires prostitutes from Beach Road. You see all prostitutes renting their pussies all over Pattaya except for the the ones on Beach Road are high quality and worthy of the upper class monger we have posting up in her.

Yes, I have been quoted 2000 THB on Beach Road and they would not take 1500 THB. Might have been me. Don't worry about it because there are enough 1000 THB girls that are serviceable for me. Plus I have my repeats. There is a poster with a low post count that thinks I am the only man who goes with Beach Road girls. I am telling you from first hand experience that the last time I grabbed a Princess standing under a Palm Tree on Beach Road we had to wait in line for a room at The Love Inn. There is a whole lot of fucking going one in there.

Let me add some. Just walking around minding your own business and girls will hit on you. While riding a baht bus and girls start talking to you. While eating at S&P and waitress starts flirting with you not for extra tips.

Yes, agreed. I have yet to have a girl hit on me yet. At least not a hot one I was interested in going with. But I did met a hottie on the Baht Bus and related the story here. Was told she was a prostitute. Well she is one of the few girls I met that was not pressed to meet me for a formal date. I lost touch with her when I was banned from Line. She was a smoker. Pretty face, tight body and going to massage school.

I always felt it's financially based. Expats retire here 10-20 years ago on a set pension. They retired thinking girls and drink prices would stay the same or the baht would remain weak. Now it's much more expensive so they can't afford to hobby as much or can't afford to hobby where the best looking girls are.

If I don't double my income every ten years I'm doing something wrong. Who does not realize that with inflation being "sticky" and constant that your buying power is slowly eroding over time? Inflation makes speculators out of us all. My 1000 THB prostitutes are going to be charing 2000 THB in ten years. So I got to keep my mind right and put some work in. I so happy to be living in this day and age. So, easy to make money on your screen and your computer.

[SubCmdr]

I am not going to debate this anymore. If you want to fuck those girls, it's your choice. I choose not to.

It was never a debate with you. You presented a false narrative that justified in your mind the reason for not going with girls from Beach Road. When refuted by multiple members it has now become a debate that you will no longer engage in. It is and always has been the choice of the man to spend his money how he wants to and go with who he wants. You of all people should have understood that. You don't want to hear all the reasons why you should not pursue BBFS with your prostitutes.

It's because many of the very active members of this forum aren't active mongers anymore, mainly because of age and health. They're just reliving their best years. That's why there are so many emotional debates with no practical implications whatsoever. Practical actionable posts are so rare. It's also why some people think they know best what is happening because they had a few dozen years of experience (making them 65-75 year old). Also explains why there's so much bitterness. Please note, this is a general remark, I am not talking about anyone specific..

This should be the place where people provide actionable intelligence instead everyone wants to comment on the actions of others. But the truth is most of the posters are truly infrequent visitors to Pattaya. That is ok. Not saying that an individual has to be in Thailand in order to post. But this is the Pattaya Reports thread. There are other threads for casual conversation and being critical of others. Young men out there be aware that I am living my best life right now. I don't need to look back and relive the "glory days" and I have commented on it. Enjoy your life right now. Hope you get to be 65 - 75 years old. I know I do!

My practical answer to the BBFS question: it's your choice and your (high) risk. Relatively few girls will agree to it beforehand, many will agree when you claim to have no condom, many will agree when you offer them extra money in the room, and many will not agree under any circumstances. Exact proportions depend on the venue, the age and experience, and your own personality. If you want BBFS, definitely avoid the girls who mention condoms in the bar / on TF when negotiating. The very unexperienced and the least popular (aka old dogs who get few customers) are your safest bets, but remember these are still bets, you can never be sure.

I have been saying it is each man's choice since I started posting in ISG. Still baffles me why individuals posting here still do not understand this. Still baffles me that people need to comment on the activities of others. Actually my boots on the ground experience with is you simply ask for the sexual services you want from your prostitute. Negotiate. Sometimes a girl will do a switch up on in the room. I have had girls agree to give the ass only to say no in the room. Oh well! I enjoy my session and then I simply don't go with them anymore.

I don't give a fuck what any of you like or don't like. But I do like to read about it because a report from another person may lead me to something I might like. Note that I said report. The back in forth of being critical about the actions of others does nothing for me.

[Turgid]

Can someone tell me why people are making a big deal (looks like bragging to me) about getting BBFS from prostitutes that they are paying to have sex with?......

It is easy to tell the guys who are on here to try to boost their ego among a bunch of anonymous mongers. They post stuff like - I bang only the hottest girls in (insert name of country or brothel) or all the girls give me BBFS. Posting stuff like that makes them feel good. I suspect that those guys are the losers among us.

[LocalExplorer]

Can someone tell me why people are making a big deal (looks like bragging to me) about getting BBFS from prostitutes that they are paying to have sex with?

The prostitute does BBFS as the normal course of business or they do BBFS for an additional charge or they simply don't do BBFS.

You are hiring prostitutes. The job of a prostitute that you hire is to provide the sexual services you desire. If they are not going to provide the sexual services you desire, then you simply do not hire them. I don't understand. Please help a brother out.

Did I miss something here?

LOL, that's a good summary, basically I wrote the same thing. Yes, why do so many people on this forum discuss "do all the women in Pattaya do BBFS or just some of them" instead of "how do I get BBFS in Pattaya"? "Are the prices fair and just" or "will the prices rise by next season" instead of "what are the current prices per venue and venue type"?

Well, rhetorical questions, really.

[EverythingThai]

Can someone tell me why people are making a big deal (looks like bragging to me) about getting BBFS from prostitutes that they are paying to have sex with?

The prostitute does BBFS as the normal course of business or they do BBFS for an additional charge or they simply don't do BBFS.

You are hiring prostitutes. The job of a prostitute that you hire is to provide the sexual services you desire. If they are not going to provide the sexual services you desire, then you simply do not hire them. I don't understand. Please help a brother out.

Did I miss something here?

Because after my post on Pattaya, the guys keep harping on it. It's human nature.

[MassageLover81]

How much a sponsor sends to bar girl largely depends on the earnings of a bar girl, and the income of the sponsor. Or whether the bar girl has other sponsors.

One lady I know gets 30,000 baht to go back to the village. She would probably go for less, because she has a husband in the village. The sponsor knows she has a husband, he's just a simp.

I'm curious, how much do you think bar girls makes on average month? What is the range and rough estimate from low to high?

[UglyAzzMan]

No one is telling a certain Member how to spend his money.

There are a few of us laughing at What he spends his money on- Big Difference. Hahaha.

Imagine buying a Mattel Mickey Mouse watch and trying to convince the world it's a Seiko.

[SubCmdr]

Have you read the DTA between Thailand and the USA? It's online and downloadable. It clearly states that all USA government pensions, and Social Security are exempt from taxes in Thailand. Other forms of income (way too many to detail here) are either taxable in Thailand first with a credit toward USA taxes or are taxable in the USA first with a credit toward Thai taxes.

Yes!

This does not mean that you will not have to file the required forms with the Thailand Revenue Agency if you meet the qualifications and become a "Tax Resident" in Thailand as defined by the law in Thailand (previously covered). Even if there is no tax liability in Thailand there still may be a reporting requirement. I have not received any clear guidance on that issue other than just wait and see.

[EihTooms]

Have you read the DTA between Thailand and the USA? It's online and downloadable. It clearly states that all USA government pensions, and Social Security are exempt from taxes in Thailand. Other forms of income (way too many to detail here) are either taxable in Thailand first with a credit toward USA taxes or are taxable in the USA first with a credit toward Thai taxes.

Excellent info. I will check that out. I rarely if ever have a need to transfer more than the amount of my Social Security / Government Pension from the USA into Thailand in a tax year to cover all my living and recreation expenses with cash. If Thailand honors that DTA as written going forward they should leave me and others in a similar situation alone on the tax issue.

[Houston Player]

I think the jury is still out on whether or not an expat or anyone else who resides in Thailand for more than 180 days in a tax year is considered a Thai "tax" resident rather than merely a Thai resident if their income comes from a country with a Double Taxation Treaty / Agreement with Thailand:

Thailands foreign income tax changes now in force.
April 25, 2024

https://www.internationaltaxreview.c...s-now-in-force

The above site does go on to mention the tax exempt feature referenced by Houston Player and XXL previously. But not with regard to pension and / or Social Security income specifically. Unless that is covered in the terms "income from an employment":

And more on Double Taxation Treaties:

Double Tax Agreements in Thailand.
30/01/2023

https://belaws.com/thailand/double-tax-agreements/

Have you read the DTA between Thailand and the USA? It's online and downloadable. It clearly states that all USA government pensions, and Social Security are exempt from taxes in Thailand. Other forms of income (way too many to detail here) are either taxable in Thailand first with a credit toward USA taxes or are taxable in the USA first with a credit toward Thai taxes.

[SubCmdr]

Can someone tell me why people are making a big deal (looks like bragging to me) about getting BBFS from prostitutes that they are paying to have sex with?

The prostitute does BBFS as the normal course of business or they do BBFS for an additional charge or they simply don't do BBFS.

You are hiring prostitutes. The job of a prostitute that you hire is to provide the sexual services you desire. If they are not going to provide the sexual services you desire, then you simply do not hire them. I don't understand. Please help a brother out.

Did I miss something here?

[Banana Boi]

Just read the visa exempt stamp will increase from 30 to 60 days effective June 1. May need to change my travel dates to Thailand to take advantage of this.

Even though this was to take effect today people are landing in Thailand only to get 30 day stamps.

[SubCmdr]

Whoever says "because someone told me" is operating on heresay: A statement which a witness has heard another person say, or a written statement offered in evidence without producing the author to testify as to the issues stated. Presentation of one item of evidence that you did not witness for yourself is hearsay. To draw a conclusion from that evidence is to make the:

The Hasty Generalization Fallacy

This fallacy occurs when someone draws expansive conclusions based on inadequate or insufficient evidence. It goes a little something like this: I have never heard from anyone (with whom I consider a reliable source) being stolen from by any type of prostitute in Thailand. Therefore it never happens. Am I the only one that realizes how ridiculous that sounds? The other side of the story is if some says "I never hear of girls (insert the type you wish here) stealing from guys therefore it never happens. ".

Those who are making expansive conclusions based on anecdotal evidence have made a logical fallacy in their argument. That makes what they are saying illogical. Now if they wish to take actions on those conclusions they are certainly within their right. But to insist that something is a fact when they KNOW it is just their opinion is wrong. Unfortunately they don't realize they are just giving their opinions. I don't care if they have been living here for 14 years or own 3 condos. It is still their opinion and the appeal to their own authority is just another logical fallacy.

I will not buy 40 LDs and drink with the prostitute I want to hire all night just to BBFS. LOL! Don't mean anyone else should do it or that I am better than anyone else that does that. I have never had a problem with any girl stealing from me yet and I have been traveling for 40 years. Therefore it simply does not happen.

One of the things I learned over the years is how to prepare so that you don't get got. The individuals who get stolen from are dumb mother fuckers who gave the thief and opportunity to steal from them. They take them back to their own room (dumb move). They goto a Short Time room with the girl and do not secure their things or take the shower together so that she does not leave out the his watchful eye.

That is one reason I do not do a threesome with girls I don't know. Perfect way to get ripped off! I do threesomes with girls I know in a natural place. Only bringing the items I need to bring with me. I keep a separate phone for when I am on the street that does not have my financial information on it. A "ho phone" for lack of a better word. Now if you are so important of a person that you cannot be out of touch with your "people" for an hour or two, then you are probably better off buying 40 LDs and paying outrageous amounts of money to fuck. Better safe than sorry. Yep, that type of person should not be on the street. Why? Because they are not street smart.

Beauty remains in the eyes of the beholder. Any girl is more attractive after drinking all night with her. LOL!

[SubCmdr]

1.Taxable Person

Taxpayers are classified into "resident" and "non-resident". "Resident" means any person residing in Thailand for a period or periods aggregating more than 180 days in any tax (calendar) year. A resident of Thailand is liable to pay tax on income from sources in Thailand as well as on the portion of income from foreign sources that is brought into Thailand. A non-resident is, however, subject to tax only on income from sources in Thailand.

https://www.rd.go.th/english/6045.html

By definition, a tax resident in Thailand is a person, an individual who is present and resides one or multiple times in Thailand for a period totaling 180 days or more during a calendar year.

https://www.herrera-partners.com/tax-residency/

Juries rule on the facts of a situation as it applies to the law. Judges rules on the law.

[EihTooms]

For me travel is a HUGE time sink and I would rather use my time in another way. So, I am going to see how the tax thing works out before uprooting my newly established life and becoming a pussy nomad wondering the world looking for new pussy experiences.

Pussy is Pussy

But to each their own. I can see the advantage of moving around. If the costs of moving around (plane tickets, temporary housing, my time) is less than paying taxes here in Thailand then I am off to BKK. I like Thailand (Pattaya) as a base. Best place I have ever lived! It offers me plenty of options. Since my life has never revolved around pussy, traveling the world in search it does not have much appeal. The girls in Pattaya are simply a bonus. I would never live in Bangkok just to have access to what some say are more attractive Thai girls. Why do that when I can just hop on a bus and travel there, fuck all I like and then come back to my superior lifestyle here?

I think the jury is still out on whether or not an expat or anyone else who resides in Thailand for more than 180 days in a tax year is considered a Thai "tax" resident rather than merely a Thai resident if their income comes from a country with a Double Taxation Treaty / Agreement with Thailand:

Thailands foreign income tax changes now in force.
April 25, 2024

https://www.internationaltaxreview.c...s-now-in-force

Double taxation relief

Thailand has double tax agreements with over 60 jurisdictions, which can modify the tax treatment under the Revenue Code; e.g., by granting taxing rights to the other country only or allowing a credit for tax paid in the other country against the tax payable in Thailand. The credit will be granted if the foreign tax is paid in accordance with the provisions of the double tax agreement and will in general be limited to the Thai tax payable on the income.

Interestingly, the Revenue Code does not contain provisions to grant personal income taxpayers a unilateral foreign tax credit in the case where the income is from a country that does not have a double tax agreement with Thailand.

The above site does go on to mention the tax exempt feature referenced by Houston Player and XXL previously. But not with regard to pension and / or Social Security income specifically. Unless that is covered in the terms "income from an employment":

One of the benefits granted to an LTR visa holder is an exemption from income tax on foreign income brought into Thailand, pursuant to Royal Decree No. 743 issued under the Revenue Code. The exemption applies to income from an employment or from business carried on abroad, or from a property situated abroad, that has been brought into Thailand.

And more on Double Taxation Treaties:

Double Tax Agreements in Thailand.
30/01/2023

https://belaws.com/thailand/double-tax-agreements/

Double tax agreements, also known as double tax treaties or double taxation agreements, are agreements between two countries that prevent the double taxation of income. Double tax agreements mean that any income earned by individuals or businesses in one country will not be taxed in another (assuming both countries have a double tax agreement in place).

In Thailand, double tax agreements are signed between the Thai government and the government of another country to provide relief from double taxation for individuals and businesses operating in both countries.
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The double tax agreement will be applied to individuals and juristic persons of a signatory state to the agreement.

To be entitled to the benefits of a double tax treaty benefits and be classified as a Thai resident, the person must satisfy the following:

*An individual who stays in Thailand for at least 180 days in a tax year

*A company registered in Thailand with the Ministry of Commerce.