Pattaya Reports

[Mr Enternational]

This is how the Nightwish group discourages taking the girls out of the bar early. They want them there drinking until midnight. I know managers there and they tell me if they didn't do this, all the girls would be gone by 10 PM and they may as well just close early.

And who is going to be taking "all the girls"? On Soi 6 there is like a 10 to 1 girl customer ratio. So unless every guy is coming through taking 5 girls each, there would still be a shitload of chicks on Soi 6 to sell drinks.

Seems more likely that if every guy was to come through and barfine a chick then there would be NO GUYS left to buy drinks for the shitload of chicks that are still in the bars. So in order to keep guys coming in to buy drinks, jack up the price of barfines to discourge barfining. That makes more sense.

[Mr Enternational]

To be fair, quoting a price without a picture of the WG is unhelpful. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder but price is a factor with beauty and youth in Pattaya.

Not really. You say Palace is your favorite gogo. If I am correct, every girl in Palace goes for the same amount. Let's say 4000 baht. Are you telling me that you will take a Palace girl sight unseen because for 4000 baht she must be young and beautiful?

There are ugly and beautiful girls at every price point. Why do people act like if she is cheap then she must be ugly; if she is expensive she is beautiful? If that was the case then every single girl at all these gogos would be drop dead gorgeous because they all go for the same exorbitant price. But we know that is not true. One of the prettiest chicks I have been with I got from Beach Road for 500 baht back in the day.

[EverythingThai]

Prices have only risen if you tend to hang out in the places where East Asian tourists go. I haven't been down Walking Street in more than 6 years; I simply don't see any point. Same goes for the other 'tourist strips' like LK. You know your going to pay more than you need to, so why bother?

This is my first trip in almost 5 years, and prices have gone up for me. Accommodation almost no increase, food. Barely any increase, beer. Inflation, girls. Maybe 10-20% increase in price. Hardly above inflation. The only notable exception is Soi 6, which used to be my regular haunt but is now part of the 'Tourist Strip'.

For those who are hung up on pricing, Soi 6 has become a a no go. Why? Because they want to take the girls out of the bar. If you want to fuck a soi 6 girl outside of the bar, they will get you for 2500 Barfine before 10 PM. It slowly goes down until closing time. If you don't want this, fuck them in the short time rooms above the bar. This is how the Nightwish group discourages taking the girls out of the bar early. They want them there drinking until midnight. I know managers there and they tell me if they didn't do this, all the girls would be gone by 10 PM and they may as well just close early.

Bar fine after midnight if the inflated price bothers you. Or just fuck them ST in the rooms upstairs.

[JustTK]

1500 ST for 1-2 hours.
2500-3500 Baht Long time for an overnight with multiple pops YMMV on the number of pops.
Give or take 500 Baht either way. These are the normal prices.

On the other hand, guys who post prices that are not realistic for bar girls, will give false expectations to the readers. Like the 1300 Baht LT guy. Thats just not a normal price to expect walking intone type of bar or even from a normal freelancer.

Finally, nobody ever wins a price debate.

Those are your normal prices. To me, your prices are unrealistic. I don't get why you insist on trying to normalise high prices. Are you a go-go club owner or smthg, is that your motive? You say you don't want to debate, yet you keep debating.

[JustTK]

Presumably, prices will continue to increase at an absurd rate, until (or unless) the demand by East Asian drops like a rock. So, even the money you saved that day will soon be a distant memory when it will be time to pay a higher price. By and large, Pattaya is a playground for East Asians in my opinion.

Prices have only risen if you tend to hang out in the places where East Asian tourists go. I haven't been down Walking Street in more than 6 years; I simply don't see any point. Same goes for the other 'tourist strips' like LK. You know your going to pay more than you need to, so why bother?

This is my first trip in almost 5 years, and prices have gone up for me. Accommodation almost no increase, food. Barely any increase, beer. Inflation, girls. Maybe 10-20% increase in price. Hardly above inflation. The only notable exception is Soi 6, which used to be my regular haunt but is now part of the 'Tourist Strip'.

[SubCmdr]

2500 Baht Long time is not overpaying. It's more than fair for any girl from a bar or freelancer. Don't listen to guys who say otherwise. Most of the ones that say this are doing things that most tourists or even expats can't be bothered with.

1500ST for 1-2 hours.

2500-3500 Baht Long time for an overnight with multiple pops YMMV on the number of pops.

Give or take 500 Baht either way. These are the normal prices.

Lets give or take 500 THB either way.

1000 THB Short time defined as 1 HR - 1 shot.

2000 - 3000 THB Long time; Defined as an over night. Number up of shots is always defined by the customer. Not the girl nor the OP.

Some guys will pay more where others will try their strategies to pay less. It's up to the lady, her looks and if she needs money or not.

Has nothing to do with looks. Until you present us with evidence where you correlate price with appearance then this remains your opinion.

Even you have to admit that prices range on the bell curve in any market (you are smart man and you know this). That being a given I have gotten prices on what would would be considered on the extremely low end. I have also been quoted prices on the extreme high end which I have not accepted.

Finally, nobody ever wins a price debate or a safe sex debate. It's been that way on here for years.

In my opinion, it is only a debate in the minds of some people. If individuals truly believed in my time, my money, my dick, my call they would not make comments like this:

If someone wants to go to beach road and find a girl for 500-800 Baht ST who looks like their face just got ran over by a truck and looks like they eat buckets of KFC everyday, goes through their pockets when they are in the shower, and gang bangs groups of guys who surround them to negotiate a group rate on multiple occasions then so be it. It's their money and their problem, not mine.

I can't figure out why guys travel half way across the world and want to be a Cheap Charlie. The Cheap Charlie will go to bars and try to avoid the bar fine by slipping their contact details to the girl and won't even pay the ST room fee.

Hey. If you want to fuck 500 Baht short time girls on beach road and you don't care about looks, that's up to you.

So, now when you make the statement below I find it to be somewhat disingenuous.

Like I said before, if guys want to fuck girls on beach road for cheap, it's up to them. Just have a good time.

This is the first time you have ever expressed the concept of my time, my money, my dick, my call in a neutral fashion without the false narrative and derisive commentary you have presented before.

Do what you want and pay what you want. The only issue is that some guys will ridicule others for not using condoms or paying too much. That is what I don't like.

Posters will also ridicule others for how much they pay, where their source their prostitutes and what they do with them.

You know this because well, because you do it. There are also guys that want to say that "my hos are better that your hos because I pay more for them. Therefore I am better that you". I have never read where you have wrote this explicitly but you have most certainly implied in the past (please refer to the quotes of previous posts written by you).

This is very curious to me. As a favorite place of yours is Maggie Mays. You find the girls attractive there or else you would not go. I've been to Maggie Mays (Jomtien). Price for the girl ST was 1000 THB. Same price of a girl of of Beach Road. The only difference is in the price of the short term room and no drinks. Given that the prices are equal, how is that you make the statement the price is equal to attractiveness? If that is your hypothesis then by definition the girls of Beach Road are of equal attractiveness to those in Maggie May.

On the other hand, guys who post prices that are not realistic for bar girls, will give false expectations to the readers. Like the 1300 Baht LT guy. Thats just not a normal price to expect walking intone type of bar or even from a normal freelancer.

You do not know that the prices are unrealistic. Mr. E reports 1200 LT. Personally, I do not think Mr. E is lying on his dick. If he says he gets girls 1200 LT then he does. Mr. E has been around for a long time. If he was putting out inaccurate information he would have been found out long ago.

It like when you said that BBFS is always available for you. I changed up my methods and now BBFS is available for me about half the time for the same price or 500 THB more. What was important is that you reported what was possible. I used that information in a positive manner.

The thread is not for you to decide what is realistic and what is not. People who actually put boots on the ground and start hiring prostitutes for themselves will soon figure out what the pussy market presents them in the price ranges they wish to pay.

The most important thing is for people to be armed with the total range of what is possible. Not one persons idea of what the range should be. If someone says the price is normally 1500 THB plus or minus 500 THB. That is a range of 1000 to 2000 THB. THAT is a big difference. Double from the lower price until the upper price. I challenge anyone to go into a store ask to purchase something and they are given a price for the item as 1000 - 2000 for it. Personally I would say WTF it is the same thing, what makes difference if I pay 1000,1500 or 2000. The sales person will tell me, you decide. But no matter what you decide to pay, you still get the same pussy as everyone else. Why? Pussy is Pussy! LOL!

What I don't like is that individuals present pricing information based on their own personal preferences. They add their personal commentary about the pricing and the sourcing. I have pointed out more than once the problem with those types of posts. Price ranges are facts and they will be outliers in pricing that are not lies if the person actually got them. It is also important that the person lets everyone know it was an outlier price.

I have gotten a half dozen girls off Thai Friendly between 600 - 800 and a freelancer on the street not Beach Road for 500. These are not normal prices. But unless someone is going to accuse me of lying on my dick or take the girly man passive aggressive route of accusing me of bumping uglies then it simply is what it is. If you don't believe me then that is your opinion. Posters should not present opinions as if they facts. That is something I don't like.

Who wants to meet me at Maggie Mays?

[LittleBigMan]

I have friends that have lived in Pattaya a long time that only get chicks from gogos and only take them to short time love motels like Viva. They do not want to stay the night with them and they do not want them in their homes.

What you talking about! LOL.

[EverythingThai]

Pro tip - If you pick up a girl from a bar like Kinnaree that closes before 6 pm, you get the girl LT from 6 pm until the next morning or even afternoon if she's just staying with you til she heads back to work at Kinnaree at 2 pm. No need to pay a barfine either since she's off work. Just pay the girl what you think is fair. I used to pay 2500 LT which is likely overpaying but for the numbers of hours I get I think it's worth it. Caveat Emptor. I haven't done this since pre COVID so I have no idea how much a current Kinnaree girl asks for LT.

2500 Baht Long time is not overpaying. It's more than fair for any girl from a bar or freelancer. Don't listen to guys who say otherwise. Most of the ones that say this are doing things that most tourists or even expats can't be bothered with.

1500ST for 1-2 hours.

2500-3500 Baht Long time for an overnight with multiple pops YMMV on the number of pops.

Give or take 500 Baht either way. These are the normal prices.

Some guys will pay more where others will try their strategies to pay less. It's up to the lady, her looks and if she needs money or not.

Finally, nobody ever wins a price debate or a safe sex debate. It's been that way on here for years.

Do what you want and pay what you want. The only issue is that some guys will ridicule others for not using condoms or paying too much. That is what I don't like. Like I said before, if guys want to fuck girls on beach road for cheap, it's up to them. Just have a good time.

On the other hand, guys who post prices that are not realistic for bar girls, will give false expectations to the readers. Like the 1300 Baht LT guy. Thats just not a normal price to expect walking intone type of bar or even from a normal freelancer.

[Rocko20]

I paid THB 500 at CBs today. I could have had 8 girls for THB 4000. I fear you are normalising high prices.

To be fair, quoting a price without a picture of the WG is unhelpful. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder but price is a factor with beauty and youth in Pattaya. Having been to many go-gos on WS throughout the years, no one on this site controls or influences prices. Its the Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese tourists and most of them won't be on an English speaking website posting in English.

Presumably, prices will continue to increase at an absurd rate, until (or unless) the demand by East Asian drops like a rock. So, even the money you saved that day will soon be a distant memory when it will be time to pay a higher price. By and large, Pattaya is a playground for East Asians in my opinion.

[Rocko20]

You don't like Opium? Why not? Maybe we like different types of girls. I like mine under 22, petite, cutesy, smiley, happy, very cute face, decent legs, slim. I agree the topless models at Opium aren't the best.

I like the opposite. I like tall, mature, big natural bust, curvy ass, fair skinned. But everyone has their preference. Palace for me is my go-to spot. I have no idea how they get a lineup like that.

Funny enough, the security at XS and Pinup were staring at my eyes before they let me in, maybe they thought I was stoned? I don't smoke and my eyes were not red so that was weird.

My feeling is that you are past the wide-eyed boy phase. You are no longer the child in the sweet shop. You see the girls now for what they really are and always were.

I agree. There's definitely a transition from "I need 6 different girls per night" to "let me just take my time and find 1 good one for the entire trip.

Based on my current trip:

As many of you already know who frequent the go-gos and compared their trips to many years ago, full payment is now made upfront which means there is no incentive for the WG to provide good service. Also, as everyone already knows, some WGs only give covered blowjobs (although some have changed their mind once barfined). And even more alarming, WGs at the go-gos are begging and whining for you to pay for their lady drink targets BEFORE you bar-fine them. No more 1 drink then barfine, they want 3-4 drinks. And a drink for the staff and the mamasan.

So yup, as you stated, many mongers are in their "I see the real pattaya" stage with this new generation of WGs and bar price system that nickel and dimes the customer to death.

I am talking about bar girls too. But I am talking about getting them after they are finished at the bar

Based on my personal experience, most bar girls generally want you to pay to get them out of work (pay barfine + pay drink target + pay LT). They dont want to see you after work, when you could've easily got them out of work, most are already tired and want to go home after work.

There is no shortage of men who want to see them after work, so they simply want the one who gets them out of work.

So in my book, there is a distinction between bar girls and freelancers. Bar girls want their transaction to go through the bar.

What happened to the good looking girls? Is it education and better opportunities now?

To be fair, Pattaya still has plenty of good looking girls. Im simply comparing it to 10-15 years ago. I presume a lot of them are now married, retired, moved abroad, etc. and they were not replaced with other good looking girls. Maybe it is education and better opportunities. There was also less tattoo's, fake tits, and plastic surgery back then.

There was a “golden age” of music, porn stars, and it appears there was also a golden age of mongering. Prices were dirt cheap, service was good, and there were good looking natural women everywhere. Just my opinion.

[Explorer8939]

I took a civvie lady out to Walking Street last night. She said she likes ladies, so off we went.

First stop: Skyfall. Not too many dancers, it was a little quiet, but we were there early. Had 2 drinks and left.

We went to Opium, which was very busy, and had a ridiculous number of dancing ladies. Not very many high quality ladies, and there were too many of them on stage.

By this time, the lady was pretty drunk, so we went to Windmill, where she saw a lifetime supply of pussy. As you know, most Windmill ladies are older, flat-chested, but eager to please. They practically gang raped the civvie, too much pussy for her.

When she said she liked ladies, I think she likes one specific lady.

[Banana Boi]

Sometimes the ladies from a bar come early, and I pay their barfine.

If their bar closes at 9 pm, they may come after work.

Pro tip - If you pick up a girl from a bar like Kinnaree that closes before 6 pm, you get the girl LT from 6 pm until the next morning or even afternoon if she's just staying with you til she heads back to work at Kinnaree at 2 pm. No need to pay a barfine either since she's off work. Just pay the girl what you think is fair. I used to pay 2500 LT which is likely overpaying but for the numbers of hours I get I think it's worth it. Caveat Emptor. I haven't done this since pre COVID so I have no idea how much a current Kinnaree girl asks for LT.

[Mr Enternational]

This might be a dumb question but do bars at gents clubs and soi 6 serve non-alcoholic and non-carbonated drinks (besides water)? For example, are there juices and tea / coffee available and if so, do they charge more for these compared to even some alcoholic beverages and soda?

Yes. They do not charge more. I usually drink club soda in the bars. I have friends that just order water. I know what you are talking about. I was in a cabaret in Nice and mixed drinks were 40 euro. The cheapest thing in the menu was water at 35 euro.

[CaliGuy33]

Hey CaliGuy,

I will stipulate that I can buy lunch for 2. 5 days with 250 THB. But when I go out I am a millionaire for the night, because I do not do it that often, I have both taken girls to my room off of Beach Road and gone to the Short Time Hotel across the street. If I am doing just one girl I use the Short Time hotel. If I plan to fuck multiple girls I get a regular hotel room. When fucking multiple girls in a hotel room together or separately your have to make plans for towels for the girls. I try to do that by tipping the room cleaner to get extra towels or just requesting them.

The short time hotel has rooms that are clean, cool, well lit, hot water showers, real towels and mirrors all over the damn place. I really like that. The other thing I like about the short tine hotel is the ambiance of it. Nothing says we are just here to fuck like a short time hotel. The walk to the hotel; the girl presenting her ID; getting on the elevator; going into the room; getting naked; showering together;.

OH YEAH! Spontaneous. Right Now. Seedy without being dirty.

Now we have guys that want to think they are superior to others because they don't go with Beach Road girls. I understand preferences. But the the idea that is proffered that "my hos are better than your hos therefore I am better than you". I completely reject.

I like variety. I take Beach Road girls. I goto Gentleman's clubs. I goto Blow Job Bars. I goto Soi 6 (on rare occasion). I goto agogos (Kink is one of my favorites). I'll snatch a girl out of a beer bar. Invite a girl off of Thai Friendly. I will also do naughty massage sessions.

I personally don't understand the mentality of guys that only hire their prostitutes one way. Then again I do not think I am superior to others (even though intelligence wise I am) because of my preferences or how I do things.

Thanks for the response. Makes sense. I'll have to give the ST rooms a try. I plan to partake in Beach Road gals a fair amount on my next trip.

And I get the seediness of the ST rooms. I'll never forget on my first trip to Thailand some 7 years prior, taking a street girl around Soi 4 in Bangkok and we used a filthy ST room which I would never use again. But it was a great memory as it was kind of fitting for what I had read about BKK, just that dirty seediness mixed with the humidity and the carnal nature of the act of exchanging money for ass.

[Allover]

This might be a dumb question but do bars at gents clubs and soi 6 serve non-alcoholic and non-carbonated drinks (besides water)? For example, are there juices and tea / coffee available and if so, do they charge more for these compared to even some alcoholic beverages and soda? Believe it or not, I had a bar in Medellin, Colombia that charged more for just cranberry juice than beer.

All of the bars will allow you to buy juices, soft drinks, etc. In many cases, especially at happy hour, they may cost more than beer. Don't be shy about asking for pricing when you go into a bar.