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  1. #43097

    I still don't see where it says P4 P is illegal in Thailand

    Quote Originally Posted by EverythingThai  [View Original Post]
    If you don't know then don't say. It is illegal, but tolerated in certain circumstances. The main law that focuses on the service providers is this 1st one.

    The Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act:

    This Act prohibits both male and female prostitution in public places and brothels and classifies prostitution as illegal. Anyone who is caught offering sexual services will be fined a minimum of 1,000 THB. Penalties for those supervising them, such as brothel owners, are higher, as this Act is not focused on punishing the sex workers themselves.


    The Penal Code Amendment Act:

    Section 286 of the Penal Code Amendment Act states that anyone over the age of 16 who subsists on the earnings of a prostitute will be imprisoned for 7 to 20 years and fined from 14,000 to 40,000 THB. Convicted offenders can even be imprisoned for life.

    This does not apply to those who rely on financial support from a prostitute who is required by law or morality to provide it.

    The Anti-Trafficking in Persons Act:

    This Act criminalizes all forms of human trafficking, including sex trafficking which involves the recruitment, transfer, and exploitation of individuals for the purpose of forced prostitution. The Act also imposes severe penalties on those who assist and patronize the traffickers.

    Fines and Penalties.

    To demonstrate what is prohibited and what is not and the consequences that come from infractions, below are two of the many laws stated in the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act:

    Section 6: Anyone who associates with another person in a prostitution establishment for the purpose of prostitution will be imprisoned for up to 1 month and fined no more than 1,000 THB. Penalties increase after repeated offenses, and deportation and blacklisting from Thailand are also possible. Furthermore, should the solicitation violate other laws and codes, as detailed below, the penalties can accumulate.

    Section 8: Anyone who has sexual intercourse with or acts otherwise against a person over the age of 15 but under 18 in a prostitution establishment, with or without their consent, will be imprisoned for up to 3 years and fined between 20,000 to 60,000 THB. However, if it's sexual intercourse with a minor (under the age of 15), the offender will be imprisoned for 2 to 6 years and fined between 40,000 to 120,000 THB.

    Below are a few of the laws taken from the Penal Code:

    Section 277: Sexual intercourse with a minor (under the age of 15) who is neither the wife nor the husband will result in imprisonment for 4 to 20 years.

    Section 279: Anyone who commits an act of indecency to a minor (under the age of 15) will be imprisoned for up to 10 years and face a fine of 20,000 THB. If the act of indecency was committed through threat, violence, or fraud, the offender will be imprisoned for up to 15 years and fined no more than 30,000 THB.

    Section 280: Anyone who commits an act of indecency to a minor (under the age of 15) and causes bodily harm will be imprisoned for 5 to 20 years and fined between 10,000 to 40,000 THB. If this results in the death of the minor, the offender will receive a death sentence or lifetime imprisonment.

    Section 282: Anyone who procures, seduces, or takes a male or female in order to gratify the sexual desire of a third party without their consent will be imprisoned for up to 10 years and fined up to 2,000 to 20,000 THB. If that person is over the age of 15 but under 18, then the offender will be imprisoned for 3 to 15 years and fined between 6,000 to 30,000 THB.

    So, in the end, it's illegal, but the large fines and punishments are given to the brothel owners and people who live off of the girls, not the girls and the customers. After looking at these laws, one would wonder how Pattaya even exists. The answer is very simple. TIT.
    Most of what you wrote is in the Thai Penal Code link I posted earlier. Still, none of it, including the part you highlighted, addresses the issue of someone accepting money for sex or paying money for sex.

    Soliciting in public has long been an offense that street hookers can and do get busted for. Which aligns with laws about public nuisance.

    Trafficking? Essentially the same as the "procurement" issue.

    Brothels? Same as go-go bars and clubs where the owners or management are profiting from someone else in their establishment engaging in prostitution.

    But the simple act of prostitution as practiced between consenting aduls is nowhere to be found in the Thai Penal Code or in your post here.

  2. #43096
    Quote Originally Posted by Mogwai  [View Original Post]
    Prostitution is not illegal. Only profiting from it is illegal. Like a pimp, for example.
    EihTooms has made several posts about this in the past, and so has a forum member who's name I forgot, but he was a Belgian lawyer IIRC.
    If you don't know then don't say. It is illegal, but tolerated in certain circumstances. The main law that focuses on the service providers is this 1st one.

    The Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act:

    This Act prohibits both male and female prostitution in public places and brothels and classifies prostitution as illegal. Anyone who is caught offering sexual services will be fined a minimum of 1,000 THB. Penalties for those supervising them, such as brothel owners, are higher, as this Act is not focused on punishing the sex workers themselves.


    The Penal Code Amendment Act:

    Section 286 of the Penal Code Amendment Act states that anyone over the age of 16 who subsists on the earnings of a prostitute will be imprisoned for 7 to 20 years and fined from 14,000 to 40,000 THB. Convicted offenders can even be imprisoned for life.

    This does not apply to those who rely on financial support from a prostitute who is required by law or morality to provide it.

    The Anti-Trafficking in Persons Act:

    This Act criminalizes all forms of human trafficking, including sex trafficking which involves the recruitment, transfer, and exploitation of individuals for the purpose of forced prostitution. The Act also imposes severe penalties on those who assist and patronize the traffickers.

    Fines and Penalties.

    To demonstrate what is prohibited and what is not and the consequences that come from infractions, below are two of the many laws stated in the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act:

    Section 6: Anyone who associates with another person in a prostitution establishment for the purpose of prostitution will be imprisoned for up to 1 month and fined no more than 1,000 THB. Penalties increase after repeated offenses, and deportation and blacklisting from Thailand are also possible. Furthermore, should the solicitation violate other laws and codes, as detailed below, the penalties can accumulate.

    Section 8: Anyone who has sexual intercourse with or acts otherwise against a person over the age of 15 but under 18 in a prostitution establishment, with or without their consent, will be imprisoned for up to 3 years and fined between 20,000 to 60,000 THB. However, if it's sexual intercourse with a minor (under the age of 15), the offender will be imprisoned for 2 to 6 years and fined between 40,000 to 120,000 THB.

    Below are a few of the laws taken from the Penal Code:

    Section 277: Sexual intercourse with a minor (under the age of 15) who is neither the wife nor the husband will result in imprisonment for 4 to 20 years.

    Section 279: Anyone who commits an act of indecency to a minor (under the age of 15) will be imprisoned for up to 10 years and face a fine of 20,000 THB. If the act of indecency was committed through threat, violence, or fraud, the offender will be imprisoned for up to 15 years and fined no more than 30,000 THB.

    Section 280: Anyone who commits an act of indecency to a minor (under the age of 15) and causes bodily harm will be imprisoned for 5 to 20 years and fined between 10,000 to 40,000 THB. If this results in the death of the minor, the offender will receive a death sentence or lifetime imprisonment.

    Section 282: Anyone who procures, seduces, or takes a male or female in order to gratify the sexual desire of a third party without their consent will be imprisoned for up to 10 years and fined up to 2,000 to 20,000 THB. If that person is over the age of 15 but under 18, then the offender will be imprisoned for 3 to 15 years and fined between 6,000 to 30,000 THB.

    So, in the end, it's illegal, but the large fines and punishments are given to the brothel owners and people who live off of the girls, not the girls and the customers. After looking at these laws, one would wonder how Pattaya even exists. The answer is very simple. TIT.

  3. #43095
    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyBoy99  [View Original Post]
    Prostitution is illegal no matter the age, but obviously allowed by the police.
    Prostitution is not illegal. Only profiting from it is illegal. Like a pimp, for example.
    EihTooms has made several posts about this in the past, and so has a forum member who's name I forgot, but he was a Belgian lawyer IIRC.

  4. #43094
    Quote Originally Posted by Werqweq  [View Original Post]
    I'm no lawyer, but I believe the law is that prostitution is illegal (or more illegal) if the girl is under 20. It's not illegal to bang a 18 year old girl, so there is no reason the hotel should deny her entry. It is however, afaik, illegal to pay her money to bang her.

    I suspect that is also why e.g. Fiwfans, a p4p site that caters to Thai people, does not have anyone under 20. You cannot even search for anyone under 20.
    Prostitution is illegal no matter the age, but obviously allowed by the police.

    https://thailandexplained.com/prostitution-in-thailand/

    https://www.siam-legal.com/thailand-...l-in-thailand/

  5. #43093

    Sunday Traffic

    Just got to Pattaya after a 10 month hiatus on Sunday. Once I have been for a week, reports will follow. But damn, there was a ton of road traffic in central Pattaya and the malls were packed. Is this an every weekend occurrence, or was some event (s) going on?

    As an aside, on my first day I was tired and just wanted an oil massage before heading back to my room for rest. I wasn't planning on a happy ending but as the massage neared it's end, the massage lady made the jack off hand motion LOL. I replied how much. She replied 1,000 thb and I laughed and said no thanks. She then said how much to which I said 500 thb. Done deal. Had a nice massage and release for 800 thb total. I'm sure I could get it for 600-700 thb total but I didn't care.

    Damn it feels good to be back in Pattaya!

    Reports coming soon.

  6. #43092
    Quote Originally Posted by HorseTrader  [View Original Post]
    Per check of Thai ID at hotel check in, I've pulled a number of under 20 girls from Thailand bars. Of course, the quantity of over 40 girls far exceeds the quantity of under 20 girls.
    I'm no lawyer, but I believe the law is that prostitution is illegal (or more illegal) if the girl is under 20. It's not illegal to bang a 18 year old girl, so there is no reason the hotel should deny her entry. It is however, afaik, illegal to pay her money to bang her.

    I suspect that is also why e.g. Fiwfans, a p4p site that caters to Thai people, does not have anyone under 20. You cannot even search for anyone under 20.

  7. #43091
    Quote Originally Posted by Gabacho  [View Original Post]
    So far I have paying between 1200 to per session..
    Sorry for the typo. I meant to say between 1200 and 1500 baht per session*.

    Update: the numbers are now 6 total of which 5 were BBFS.

    The most recent one (a 26 year who normally works in a bar on soi buakhao) told me she usually makes ​50 baht per lady drink that guys buy her, she was very happy with the 1200 baht I gave her for the service and I was completely satisfied as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pimpampoumpipo  [View Original Post]
    Sorry but you should know that the inappropriate and too often incorrect use of antibiotics has contributed to the development and spread of bacteria that have become resistant to antibiotics. This resistance develops when a bacterium transforms and develops defense mechanisms, reducing or canceling the action of the antibiotics that fight it.

    This resistance of bacteria to antibiotics, called antibiotic resistance, has developed gradually and could become one of the main causes of mortality in the world.
    Thank you for your concern, however your misguided post is in the wrong section. This is the Pattaya Reports section. As per the forum rules you should post this comment in the safe sex in Thailand section. I believe there was a whole big discussion not too long ago about posting in the appropriate sections.

    -Gabacho.

  8. #43090
    Quote Originally Posted by Mogwai  [View Original Post]
    I believe that the visitors have to be at least 20 years old, not the girls working there. The latter have to be at least 18.
    Quote Originally Posted by Parasitius  [View Original Post]
    You shouldn't be able to find what you want in Thailand as the legal age to enter a bar in any circumstance is 20 so there should not be 18 and 19 year olds working to get lady drinks in there.
    Per check of Thai ID at hotel check in, I've pulled a number of under 20 girls from Thailand bars. Of course, the quantity of over 40 girls far exceeds the quantity of under 20 girls.

  9. #43089
    Quote Originally Posted by EverythingThai  [View Original Post]
    Because he was too cheap to use a land border run agent.
    Please elaborate on the difference: because the agents have connections?

  10. #43088
    Quote Originally Posted by Parasitius  [View Original Post]
    You shouldn't be able to find what you want in Thailand as the legal age to enter a bar in any circumstance is 20 so there should not be 18 and 19 year olds working to get lady drinks in there.
    I believe that the visitors have to be at least 20 years old, not the girls working there. The latter have to be at least 18.

  11. #43087

    The G-Man has arrived in Thailand

    I just got here yesterday (Friday) morning. Arrived via China Airlines from SFO to TPE to BKK then took the 143 baht bus to Pattaya. I'm staying at a nice Airbnb near Beach Rd and so far have seen 5 women from Thai Friendly. All have been BBFSCIP except for one and not one of them has upcharged or asked for extra money. So far I have paying between 1200 to per session.

    More details and reviews to come soon after I get some rest.

    I also want to send a special thanks out to SubCmdr who helped me out with lots of valuable information that I used to plan my trip. His knowledge and expertise in Pattaya is unparalleled and thanks to his help everything from the airport bus to airbnb to using the ATMs and sourcing from TF has been a smooth process.

    I will check out the freelancers on beach road after I get some rest and report back on what I find. I don't descriminate just based off the fact they are freelancers on beach Road. That doesn't necessarily mean they have Stds or steal from customers. But I will take precautions when I do pull from Beach Rd. So far Thai Friendly definitely has not disappointed.

    Also a thank you goes out to Mr Enternational who gave me some good advice about not specifically asking for BBFS beforehand because that is like inviting them to charge you more. I've been just going with the flow and I only had 1 out of 5 that insisted on using a condom. That's an 80% BBFS rate so far from Thai Friendly providers. Of course I'm taking doxycycline so please I don't need any lectures or disrespectful comments from the peanut gallery, post it in the safe sex section if you must.

    -Gabacho.

  12. #43086
    Quote Originally Posted by Explorer8939  [View Original Post]
    Most Pattaya ladies I know are constantly hounded for money by family and the Thai boyfriend, so if a customer doesn't have money, they have to find another.

    Maybe your ladies are different.
    Like I've always said, we seemingly hang out with an entirely different group/quality of girls. I'm with above average gogo girls not girls who work on Soi 25. They already make tons of money. They likely have multiple Sponsors but I never ask them about that crap. They don't scramble to make money for food daily, for rent money at the end of the month, or ask me to help them with money issues to feed their Hamsters.

  13. #43085
    Quote Originally Posted by DerTyperb  [View Original Post]
    Hello,

    I'm looking for GFE, BBFS-CIP, DFK, LT (overnight) only with slim girls (40 kg) aged 18-20 max.


    Pattaya, Bankok or another Asian country for me?
    You shouldn't be able to find what you want in Thailand as the legal age to enter a bar in any circumstance is 20 so there should not be 18 and 19 year olds working to get lady drinks in there.

    Also in a sense Pattaya beauties are a needle in a haystack, you're not going to see beauty there at the level of 18-20 year olds you could catch sight of in a Bangkok mall (especially Central Embassy), not even close.

    Yes in truth when I'm in Thailand I often find myself lusting over the high society rich girls who are untouchable, in my mind they mostly have a completely different look you're not likely to find in any prostitution venue.

    Being from the US I honestly feel you're missing out if you are not hitting up Vienna venues like Relax Studio. The costs in Europe are unbelievably low, you can easily bang outside Frankfurt BBFS for 50 euros. The same service in the USA is 250-400 USD. And in Asia or Colombia prices are generally only a tiny bit cheaper than Germany. The problem is that your target age range isn't common in Vienna. Best bet where it's easy to consistently find 18/19 I guess is the Philippines and Medellin, Colombia.

  14. #43084
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaBoi  [View Original Post]
    ..........Try getting a FKK girl to go with you overnight. The cost will be astronomical. I'm not a LT guy but overnight stays is a huge advantage in places like PP, PI, Thailand, etc over many places in the world.
    When I first started going to FKKs in the early 2000's it was easy to spend time outside the FKK with working girls especially women from Hungary and some other Eastern European countries. Sometimes you did not have to pay for sex if you showed them a good time by taking them to restaurants and clubs. It is totally different now. For over ten years now the girls would make you pay through the roof.

  15. #43083
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaBoi  [View Original Post]

    In Thailand there are those types of girls too but when you live there girls get used to your ugly mug and start developing deep feelings for you whether you want them to or not. Even when the money stops they don't leave cause you're still better to hang out with than the riff raff paying for their time.
    Wow. You must be very special to have money guys hanging out with you after your money runs out.

    Most Pattaya ladies I know are constantly hounded for money by family and the Thai boyfriend, so if a customer doesn't have money, they have to find another.

    Maybe your ladies are different.

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