Tokyo

[CCRider1008]

My pleasure! I realized there were some typos in my note, not enough coffee yesterday morning when I wrote it so glad it was helpful!

Although not a comprehensive list, I did a google map of the area that has a high concentration of Soaplands.

https://www.google.com/maps/search/soapland/@35.7245257, 139.7942702,18 z / data=!4 m2!2 m1!6 e1.

These are in an area that is North West of the heart of Tokyo, an area named Taito City. This matters because of choosing where to stay and recognizing that it could be a trek to get to them if you stay in the south of the city.

Also, if you're a public transportation guy, and use an iPhone, I suggest adding the Suica card to your Apple Wallet and then spending a bit of time learning the subway system in Tokyo. It's an amazing way to get around the city!

Thanks HK. I am a mass transportation guy depending on ease of use and cleanliness. BKK all the time. Other places mostly uber or lyft.

Luckily, I've been to Thailand so much that piece of trip was planned in about 10 minutes. Japan on the other hand. Holy shit that's a big and complicated looking city. One needs a PhD for the subway system map. I'm going to have to dig into the research once I'm back from quick trip to Rio in couple weeks. Since I do tourist stuff too I'm assuming I need to find a happy middle ground for hotel basecamp from the point you mentioned? Maybe dilemma of how much time one will monger versus sight see and explore.

I generally stay at higher end hotels (usually Marriott JW or Hyatt like hotels). I'm reading most in Tokyo will not hassle you for bringing in girls. True? I'm assuming it's like NYC and they wouldn't know or give a shit anyway.

I try and make effort learning key words and phrases when I travel (at least makes girls smile sometimes) so I can have some rapport. But obviously will be relying on iphone translators in Japan. How has your experience been with that and the interaction with the girls? Some like PHI and Thailand use it better than I do with no issue establishing rapport. Some like Cambodia its mood killing I'd rather jerkoff experience.

[HkPunter99]

HK thanks for the info. Also an east coast USA guy. After reading your suggestions and fact that I'm a tourist + punter on trips I'm leaning toward Japan + Thailand. Try something new as you say, and your roadmap is excellent.

My pleasure! I realized there were some typos in my note, not enough coffee yesterday morning when I wrote it so glad it was helpful!

Although not a comprehensive list, I did a google map of the area that has a high concentration of Soaplands.

https://www.google.com/maps/search/soapland/@35.7245257, 139.7942702,18 z / data=!4 m2!2 m1!6 e1.

These are in an area that is North West of the heart of Tokyo, an area named Taito City. This matters because of choosing where to stay and recognizing that it could be a trek to get to them if you stay in the south of the city.

Also, if you're a public transportation guy, and use an iPhone, I suggest adding the Suica card to your Apple Wallet and then spending a bit of time learning the subway system in Tokyo. It's an amazing way to get around the city!

[David032]

HK thanks for the info. Also an east coast USA guy. After reading your suggestions and fact that I'm a tourist + punter on trips I'm leaning toward Japan + Thailand. Try something new as you say, and your roadmap is excellent.

It all depends on your preference as purely a punter trip Thailand wins hands down. As a tourist / punter trip Japan wins for me personnelly. Japan generally does take a little more effort as you've more than likely read as FS isn't exactly legal. Put there are quite a few places that bridge that. But a little more effort into and you'll get everything you want.

[AlwaysWatching]

So was visiting Japan for work, read the forum here and took some of the advice. I was staying in Yokosuka which is as dead as hell. So decided to try gfesoapland up in Kawasaki. Let tell you what, it was fun as hell. The girl I saw Marin tried to convince me to come back because they are running a threesome discount in September. I think I just might because no cover was offered as an option. Which normally isn't offered from what I have read She also hinted that return customers get access to a special hole if they will give her bonus. Will repeat and try the threesome, she recommend a threesome with her and a girl called a Rana think I am going to try as they are both ranked number one and two at the place.

[Vendelo]

The lone standout there where FS is guaranteed is Asian Mystique. I really had a great experience there the one time I used them.

I ordered 3 girls from AM. All provided FS.

[CCRider1008]

First, my apologies for quoting the whole post! Don't flame me!

Vaginal sex in Japan is quite easy to get if you really understand how the system works in Japan.

1.) There is a loophole in the law that allows Soaplands to offer Vaginal Intercourse. I think you'll find 99.9% of reports from soaplands, FS is standard. The problem is that not every soapland allows foreigners. So, you just have to find ones that do.

Some that are reported as being foreigner friendly in Tokyo are:

- Versaille - https://y-versailles.com/access/.

- why Shirt - https://www.y-shirt.jp/sp/top.php.

- Silky Doll.

- Cream Lemon.

- Prima Donna.

- Etc.

consider.

HK thanks for the info. Also an east coast USA guy. After reading your suggestions and fact that I'm a tourist + punter on trips I'm leaning toward Japan + Thailand. Try something new as you say, and your roadmap is excellent.

[HkPunter99]

I've mongered pretty much all of Asia (SE anyway. Thai, Phil, Cambodia, Vietnam, Bali). Have not been to Japan; I understand the nuisance of the law (no vaginal). I've read the threads.

1. Japan Thread Summary. Bias against foreigner sex, but there are some soaplands and massage places that are friendly. Some agencies to hotel as well. However, whether you can get good ole FS vaginal sex is entirely hit or miss. It is more "no" then "yes". Fucking without a condom pretty rare, even with understanding it will cost more (which is only fair).

Correct?

2. Honest Vote. Understanding this is Tokyo forum and likely a favorable bias to Japan, my question. I have a month in late March / early April.

Choice A. Back to Thailand. Phuket and BKK for entire 4 weeks.

Choice be. 2 weeks Thailand and 2 weeks Japan.

+ Thailand Only. FS and usually BB for me is pretty much given with little issues on past 4 trips (money talks as does some charm and a smile). Nice beaches and I can train muay thai while fucking at night.

- Thailand Only. Been to Thailand 4 times. My favorite place but I've seen it all.

+ Japan. Fascinated with looks of Japanese women and would like to see the place.

- Japan. While I combine tourism and mongering on trips, if I only got BJs and occasionally FS (particularly if always covered) I'd consider it a letdown. Like I said I am willing to pay more.

Recommendations? A or be.

First, my apologies for quoting the whole post! Don't flame me!

Vaginal sex in Japan is quite easy to get if you really understand how the system works in Japan.

1.) There is a loophole in the law that allows Soaplands to offer Vaginal Intercourse. I think you'll find 99.9% of reports from soaplands, FS is standard. The problem is that not every soapland allows foreigners. So, you just have to find ones that do.

Some that are reported as being foreigner friendly in Tokyo are:

- Versaille - https://y-versailles.com/access/.

- why Shirt - https://www.y-shirt.jp/sp/top.php.

- Silky Doll.

- Cream Lemon.

- Prima Donna.

- Etc.

What I understand is that you might not get a choice of any girl you want, only some of the girls service foreigners.

There is one in Gotanda (near Shinagawa station) that I went to called Happiness.

https://tokyo.happiness-group.com/top.html

If you want to go, just call and ask if they speak English (33521;35486;12434;35441;12379;12414;12377;12363; / Eigo o hanasemasu ka) and they will pass you on to a guy there that does.

I had a GREAT experience there in April 2023 (44 000 JPY for 80 minutes).

2.) Delivery Health Services. Like Tokyo Hentai Club. Some girls will offer FS, but as been said on this board.

A.) it costs more (assume 10 000 JPY or more).

Be.) sometimes it comes down to whether the girl likes you.

Here are a list of places, if you want FS, look for girls who offer FS.

(prices in JPY for 2 hour sessions. Includes delivery fee to Shinagawa area, + CIM option).

THC - https://hentaitokyo.com/ (56000 + 10 K min for sex).

Tokyo Style - https://www.tokyostyle-delivery.jp/top.php (48000).

Aroma Fantasy - https://aroma-fantasy.com/en_top/ (40000,90 minutes, HJ only).

Paradise - https://paradise-tokyo.net/home (51000).

Mana - https://manatokyo.com/top.php (50000).

Shady Motion - https://www.shadymotion.com/en/top/ (51000).

Asian Mystique - https://asianmystique.com/ (35000, guaranteed FS).

Amateur Tokyo - amateurtokyo.com/ system. Php (41000).

Gingira - http://www.gingira.jp/lang/en/index.html (65000).

The lone standout there where FS is guaranteed is Asian Mystique. I really had a great experience there the one time I used them.

Now, as someone who has been to Tokyo twice and Bangkok twice (and Hong Kong 9 times over the last 10 years). Nothing really compares to Thailand. But Thailand is just a pain to get to from the East Coast of the US where I am. I always loved the Wan Chai bar scene pre-COVID, a bit more expensive than Bangkok, but loved the bars and the variety (I dig the GFE you get from Pinays).

The thing to look for on girls profiles is if they offer Anal, that typically means there is a FS option. .

I would say try Japan for a few days. It is a fun city, the food is amazing and there is lots to do in addition to our hobby. It is more expensive though, you can pretty much assume spending twice as much on a hotel per night but I like it.

One other thing, I also noticed BBFS is pretty common at Nana now. I was 4 for 4 on my trip last December. I don't think it as common in Tokyo though. So that is something else to consider.

[RafaelX12]

This traveler guy is half right about k-girls in Japan.

But he forgets one thing and it's the little things that count.

There ain't no K-girl with big titties who will do outcall to your home and go a-level on camera with no cap.

That's where Jpn has you beat my friends, LOL. Sure I can get nice FS from a regular K-girl, but sometimes I'm too lazy to go out hunting for it. When I can just order custom delivery to my shack.

[CCRider1008]

I've mongered pretty much all of Asia (SE anyway. Thai, Phil, Cambodia, Vietnam, Bali). Have not been to Japan; I understand the nuisance of the law (no vaginal). I've read the threads.

1. Japan Thread Summary. Bias against foreigner sex, but there are some soaplands and massage places that are friendly. Some agencies to hotel as well. However, whether you can get good ole FS vaginal sex is entirely hit or miss. It is more "no" then "yes". Fucking without a condom pretty rare, even with understanding it will cost more (which is only fair).

Correct?

2. Honest Vote. Understanding this is Tokyo forum and likely a favorable bias to Japan, my question. I have a month in late March / early April.

Choice A. Back to Thailand. Phuket and BKK for entire 4 weeks.

Choice be. 2 weeks Thailand and 2 weeks Japan.

+ Thailand Only. FS and usually BB for me is pretty much given with little issues on past 4 trips (money talks as does some charm and a smile). Nice beaches and I can train muay thai while fucking at night.

- Thailand Only. Been to Thailand 4 times. My favorite place but I've seen it all.

+ Japan. Fascinated with looks of Japanese women and would like to see the place.

- Japan. While I combine tourism and mongering on trips, if I only got BJs and occasionally FS (particularly if always covered) I'd consider it a letdown. Like I said I am willing to pay more.

Recommendations? A or be.

[Gaijinsg]

Hi, Newbie here.

Currently in US and planning a short visit to Japan in September. Can speak fluent Japanese but no mongering experience either in Japan or US.

Before moving to Japan, I am tempted to try Japanese girls in the US. I know this is not a question on this forum, but would appreciate any pointers for Chicago area from Traveler X.

Also, what are the best value for money options for someone speaking fluent Japanese in Tokyo area, both for soaps as well as deli health.

I am interested in meeting genuine slender Japanese girls.

Hi, I am an active contributor to USAG and have seen many jgirls, written plenty of guides. I have also used Japan for a very long time. So I can directly compare. I know I am disagreeing with David here on some things and I think it is important we each give our own honest opinion. I am not saying he is wrong, his opinion is very valuable. I do think he would be very satisfied if he tried these jgirls in the US. So I am just giving my own opinion and experience to paint a better picture. I don't intend to post about this topic anymore, it's been beaten to death by people who should be asking in USAG instead. I or someone else will answer it there.

The price is more in the US, but for what you get there is absolutely no contest for FS. The US is way better. The least attractive jgirls I saw in the US were way younger and more beautiful than the average jgirl I saw in Japan FS. I will post below the two least attractive girls I saw. Both were early 20's. Most girls coming were 20-24 and looked it, there are very few older girls but they'd have to bring something to compensate. The caveat is jgirls struggle to beat kgirls at service (DFK, BBBJ skill and duration, begging for cock, etc.). A lot of people won't touch jgirls because they acknowledge they are cute but don't compare to kgirls. I visit jgirls not expecting them to..

[Bbowman117]

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Thank you for the run down Traveler, thanks to your post (and my experiences last year in Japan and Korea) I'm also lowering my expectations for exceptional FS service in Japan. To keep things on topic, last year when I was in Japan I kept getting harassed by a Chinese lady offering "massages" while walking around Shinjuku. I told her I only wanted a "massage" from an actual Japanese girl. She took me to a love hotel and walked me into a room with a tall Thai / Filipino looking lady, I laughed and walked out. She then kept following me outside while making phone calls in Japanese, she said that a very beautiful Japanese girl was ready and only 5 minutes away. To my surprise a very beautiful Japanese girl showed up 5 minutes later and we agreed on 30 k for an hour of FS. I took her to my hotel where we both showered, I ate her out, she gave me CBJ, and the we fucked for about 15 minutes. There was very little if no kissing, and after I came she was already putting on her clothes and getting ready to leave. I'm definitely not going with street walkers the next time I go to Japan.

I agree that if a Japanese girl really wanted to fuck like American men want (BBBJ DT, DFK, condom-optional, multiple positions, multiple pops per hour) she would just come to America and make a shitload of money at a Korg or Corg. Unfortunately for me I am only verified at Korgs and they never seem to have any J girls working. I am going to get my fill of K pussy before I go to Japan next month and then test my luck at the Oppai bars.

[Traveler X]

But the Japanese agencies have plenty of girls who offer FS. But the average person on this forum just won't crack that nut. I always get FS so my view is skewed because of it. To me it does cost more in the US and way less in Japan. Also the service is 100 times better here. Truthfully I think it does really come down Ymmv. But the bottom line for me is I won't get arrested for visiting a girl in Japan. I have 4 Japanese girls ready at all times two of which have a standing offer for creampies. So please disregard that FS can not be found in Japan. My prices below.

Yes at delivery and soap anyone can get FS, foreigners included. To be clear this advice is for other people and not you - soap is a bit easier because it's always included. So language barrier solved. No girl is going to ask you for a tip. So as a foreigner even without any Japanese, that's going to be your better bet. With delivery you are going to have to ask and frankly some girls won't even if most do. And most ask for a tip, some girls have straight up said it depends on the guy (they will fuck one guy for free and charge another guy). You may not have had girls refuse FS at delivery, but plenty of Japanese locals have. It is not just a race thing but what the girl thinks of you and there are some girls who really don't do FS. There are some disgusting Japanese customers after all.

So I try to say that the most important questions for guys is your Japanese level, and if you are visiting Japan anyways or actually already coming from the US. As I said, I try to be cautious because I don't like hearing people say it was a waste or they were disappointed in Japan. There is plenty of fun but you have to match it with what you want and have realistic expectations. When I say you are better off going non-FS in Japan if you have options at home, that's just my opinion. Some guys are obsessed with it so go ahead but research back a few pages to get a better picture first.

With a big caveat, I don't agree on the service being better in Japan. I think it's good in Japan, and anyone who has had random FS in the US is not always going to get good service. Anyone who gets FS at a kgirl shop will. It's a lot better than fs in Japan, if you see those charts of sex acts a particular shop girl will do in Japan, most of what girls won't do is not just standard but required at korgs. The charts include bareback blowjob, deep kiss, nipple licking, licking pussy, fingering, (plus some weird shit) etc.. that for some girls are less than half filled out when it is the norm for kgirls. So I can understand people saying "FS in the US is worse" because it sure is. FS at a kgirl shop is superior however. Very few jgirls deep kiss and most don't know how to suck dick is my main complaint, I can overlook everything else honestly. I have seen well over a hundred girls between the two countries, I am not trying to bash Japan, I had lots of fun. I'm not sure there is anyone here besides me who has actually tried enough of both to compare. Please speak up if you had.

So I just do not want people who have actually gone to a korg to come to Japan expecting "100 times better" because they are in for a shock. Lucky if it is even half is good. The only thing that amuses me is getting soaped up like a JAV or harassing a girl in uniform before fs, everything else is half as good. They are going to waste their money even if it's cheaper, when they could have tried something like an oppai pub that doesn't exist back home.

But again, everyone has to give their own take. I think David's experiences are a good example of how far you can get if you just learn the local language. Especially as he says if you pick girls you like to see again. That's a win. I would say a few years of serious study got me in most places, but the more the better.

The original OP's question was about touring jgirls. Not random FS in the US, even with people who happen to be Japanese or Korean for example. Everything I've said are about jgirls at korgs. Jgirls at corgs are one tier down, they are sometimes as good, or not. Corgs hire by looks and will try to book 12+ guys a day. I wouldn't touch them, but locals must love them. The girls get good fast. If jgirls are good enough, they get hired at the korg through that route. My #2 favorite was originally a corg and you can tell from her corg reviews that she didn't know what she was doing (she started at 19 and it was her first time doing sw ever). But after 500 happy cocks she got hired at a korg months later. I don't want to make another long post but New York is a very different situation than LOS Angeles. But we share a few of the same girls.

T** (I think the site is censored here) is a good example. Most random white / latina girls on T** get anywhere from a 3 to a 7. A few excellent outliers exist above 7. Every jgirl in the past 6 months in my area has been 8-9, excepting girls who were kicked no surprise. The kicked girls were a 7 BTW. A kgirl will not last unless she's a 7-9. Of course T** is actually two ratings, looks and service. No surprise the jgirls are always higher on their looks rating and lower on their service rating. Every one. Kgirls are 50-50 which one is higher. Speaks volumes on their gimmick. There is a huge difference between a 7 and an 8 on T** assuming the reviews are legit. The reviews have to be legit once they reach multi-page and I know a lot of the reviewers by name.

So I will then say about the previous poster's original question, it is about the recent trend of touring jgirls. In the last 2-3 years only. When they work for a kgirl shop, their service is superior because they get cut if they don't. That's why I don't even touch a corg, she might be good she might not. No different in Japan actually. I have tried FS at non-Japanese places and it straight up sucks. The worst jgirl I saw in the US was better than the best jgirl I saw in Japan.

At first there were a dozen girls who were former JAV stars. 100% confirmed as the real girls, I literally sent screenshots to reviewers and they confirmed them. Most of the JAV was in the early waves, but there's a lot less now. Because most JAV girls can't cut it and get kicked. But a really young cute girl just might.

[David032]

Hi, I am an active contributor to USAG and have seen many jgirls, written plenty of guides. I have also used Japan for a very long time. So I can directly compare. I know I am disagreeing with David here on some things and I think it is important we each give our own honest opinion. I am not saying he is wrong, his opinion is very valuable. I do think he would be very satisfied if he tried these jgirls in the US. So I am just giving my own opinion and experience to paint a better picture. I don't intend to post about this topic anymore, it's been beaten to death by people who should be asking in USAG instead. I or someone else will answer it there.

The price is more in the US, but for what you get there is absolutely no contest for FS. The US is way better. The least attractive jgirls I saw in the US were way younger and more beautiful than the average jgirl I saw in Japan FS. I will post below the two least attractive girls I saw. Both were early 20's. Most girls coming were 20-24 and looked it, there are very few older girls but they'd have to bring something to compensate. The caveat is jgirls struggle to beat kgirls at service (DFK, BBBJ skill and duration, begging for cock, etc.). A lot of people won't touch jgirls because they acknowledge they are cute but don't compare to kgirls. I visit jgirls not expecting them to.

Whether looks or service, the very worst jgirl I had in the US was still better than the average Japan FS girl. Which is to say she was way younger, way cuter, and sucked and fucked way better. I have hours of video but no I'm never going to post them just to win some internet contest. You just do whatever you want and give your own opinion after, how about that.

I will say many of the fs jgirls in the US were more attractive than many jgirls even in oppai pubs. If we compare the average, the average is slightly higher for US jgirls. As someone who has gone to oppai pubs a ridiculous number of times over 20 years, I can say that.

Of course I have to point out every time I say jgirl I am referring to OP's question of jgirls who fly from Japan to work in the US. I am not talking about some Japanese American independent girl or someone who happens to be Japanese in the US. You can find Japanese milfs, it's not common but they exist. No, I am answering OP's specific question about touring jgirls. Emphasis on touring.

In the US, the average rate I paid was 330 for 60 minutes across 8 girls. Video is 200, bb is 100. Yes in New York the corgs have some exclusive pricing where a girl can be 400 or 500 but that is usually literally a few days before it drops towards 350. It is the early simp price, or some people joke the stretch her out first price. Almost no one pays that. At least I can't remember anyone paying 500 out of the last pages of reviews.

The corgs and korgs do not allow any girl to last even a few days if she doesn't perform to standard. I have seen girls get cut and sent off on their very first day. If she didn't get cut it is too late because word is out among us. My personal experience is If I am one of the first couple of customers I get texted after by booker asking if they should keep a girl or not (I have always said yes but others do not and the girl gets cut). It's brutal. Most girls are above an 8 out of 10 on T** (I guess that site is censored here?), under a 7 will get you cut. I'll be completely honest most FS girls in Japan would barely get a 5 to 7 due to the service gap. I have tried well over a hundred girls in both countries but go ahead and share your own comparison if you have it. Just talking averages here. I'm not even going to compare the looks which is a way bigger gap.

The reason jgirls in the US perform way better is they are competing against kgirls and they have to perform the full menu or don't even bother coming to the US. Shower preview, DFK, proper cock worship, MSOG. In Japan they even have charts showing which girls do what. Cool. Jgirls in the US do not get those charts, they are expected to do everything kgirls do with some leniency if they are super cute. Which is exactly why most of the girls who come end up being very cute and young in a roundabout way. If a jgirl (or even a young enough kgirl) misses a menu item like a proper shower preview on demand, we cut them slack if they're cute and suck our dick well. Otherwise they get cut. Word spreads fast it is not just USAG that is all I'll say.

Jgirls come because corgs and korgs will book them 8-12 appointments a day, and the percentage cut is way more than Japanese shops. I LINE my second favorite girl and asked why she doesn't just work at a shop in Japan. She said it doesn't make enough money. It's less than a third and closer to a fourth. I know how much she made in the US but won't say for safety. It is ridiculous. It checked out when I calculated an estimate (I know some kgirls' take and jgirls make more because of how they tour and offering video for 200). They are not just coming to the US BTW, it's a lot of countries. None of the top girls work in Japan at all. No point in trying, I see my favorite girl post updates and it is all of her having fun all summer. It is wild. I will admit I then jerk off to her videos. Everybody does.

My comparison does not even account for the fact that jgirls in the US are 100% foreigner friendly, not to mention extra options like bb and video should you choose. Or that you aren't even guarateed FS in delivery and it usually adds a tip. To state the obvious, while I can get service in Japan because I speak Japanese, obviously most American's have many hurdles not just language when visiting. I did have a good time in Japan with some weird options I can't try in the US. It just is not in the same league. I think I only try it out of curiosity alone while I happen to be in Japan. I basically have unlimited funds.

Where Japan really shines is everything besides FS. Dirt cheap and legal As David says, bjs are a steal in Japan. The best value anywhere in my opinion. You could go cheaper if you are willing to compromise a little. =) Amazingly, certain bj and hj bars do have very cute girls. See my post about them earlier.

Oppai pubs and some of the better hj/bj bars do have some cute girls, better than typical fs girls. Everybody knows this, no contest. I have often chatted with the Manzoku staff before and after for fun and Japanese customers make that comparison all the time. Even I'm tired of hearing it. The staff asks if they'd rather go delivery or soap and the Japanese customer says they're just going to get another baba (grandma but it's hyperbole of course) there. Baba bakkari another person said. I've seen the reverse where the Japanese customer asks the staff about FS and the staff first asks if they're okay with expecting slightly older women, the guy says nah and so the staff this time says yeah FS is baba anyways right. Not saying all delivery are like this but this is a bit of Japanese humor to exaggerate the reality. Many years ago when I went to Yoshiwara as I've told, I went with a friend. We poked our heads in many shops and my friend who is Japanese asks if the girls are "really 22" as advertised (they are fucking not BTW 22 could mean 25-35). And the staff guy gets super defensive and a bit pissed, he said - I still remember this vividly - "What (the fuck) did you expect? Morning Musume?" I added the fuck because his rude way of talking was basically saying that. His rudeness gives away the reality, he simply admitted it. That is how laughable the claim you find cute girls in soapland is - even the staff can't say it with a straight face. Hope that clears things up.

There are a few super high end soaps that promise this or that. I'm sure the girls are better looking, better service, or JAV stars. Cool. But at that point we are well past US prices.

Look, let's be real. The cutest girls don't do fs in Japan, or they fly to the US and get paid for being cute for fs (they won't in Japan). Maybe you or I can find a cute young girl in delivery health a few times. Sure. That is not the norm. I've talked to too many guys who got that reality check. I don't like hearing about people wasting money. If you are curious though and Japan is closer than the US, then cool. By all means you will have fun in Japan.

Cherry picking our best experiences doesn't count. So what I've done is compare my two worst jgirls. I'll post their public ad photos they used below. They both had decent skill and could both take a pounding, many positions, a long time. That's them with extra make up on (they don't do full make up for FS or it would get all over you). The girls don't look as good without make up but were still cute. Just not as cute as the other 6, 2 of whom were simply beautiful.

Can we now just stick to Tokyo threads here? I hope people have their question answered now. Ask US questions in the US forum. That's what I do.

He is actually spot with many points but the main point I disagree with is Japanese places do have FS yes the girls don't offer it because that's illegal. But most girls will offer it privately. But then again remember it's business they want repeat customer yaIdon't go to most of the agency's alot of you go to. They foreigner friendly ones tend have the older girl while the Japanese ones have the younger girls. But the Japanese agencies have plenty of girls who offer FS. But the average person on this forum just won't crack that nut. I always get FS so my view is skewed because of it. To me it does cost more in the US and way less in Japan. Also the service is 100 times better here. Truthfully I think it does really come down Ymmv. But the bottom line for me is I won't get arrested for visiting a girl in Japan. I have 4 Japanese girls ready at all times two of which have a standing offer for creampies. So please disregard that FS can not be found in Japan. My prices below.

For 8 girls in Japan.

90 minutes (I never do less) 40000 FS included multiple pops.

[Traveler X]

From reading USA Sex Guide and other sources on t seems that there's an influx of Japanese women escorting in the USA, especially in New York City. So it seems it has become easier to be services by Japanese women in NYC than in Japan, at a similar cost. Right or wrong?

Hi, I am an active contributor to USAG and have seen many jgirls, written plenty of guides. I have also used Japan for a very long time. So I can directly compare. I know I am disagreeing with David here on some things and I think it is important we each give our own honest opinion. I am not saying he is wrong, his opinion is very valuable. I do think he would be very satisfied if he tried these jgirls in the US. So I am just giving my own opinion and experience to paint a better picture. I don't intend to post about this topic anymore, it's been beaten to death by people who should be asking in USAG instead. I or someone else will answer it there.

The price is more in the US, but for what you get there is absolutely no contest for FS. The US is way better. The least attractive jgirls I saw in the US were way younger and more beautiful than the average jgirl I saw in Japan FS. I will post below the two least attractive girls I saw. Both were early 20's. Most girls coming were 20-24 and looked it, there are very few older girls but they'd have to bring something to compensate. The caveat is jgirls struggle to beat kgirls at service (DFK, BBBJ skill and duration, begging for cock, etc.). A lot of people won't touch jgirls because they acknowledge they are cute but don't compare to kgirls. I visit jgirls not expecting them to.

Whether looks or service, the very worst jgirl I had in the US was still better than the average Japan FS girl. Which is to say she was way younger, way cuter, and sucked and fucked way better. I have hours of video but no I'm never going to post them just to win some internet contest. You just do whatever you want and give your own opinion after, how about that.

I will say many of the fs jgirls in the US were more attractive than many jgirls even in oppai pubs. If we compare the average, the average is slightly higher for US jgirls. As someone who has gone to oppai pubs a ridiculous number of times over 20 years, I can say that.

Of course I have to point out every time I say jgirl I am referring to OP's question of jgirls who fly from Japan to work in the US. I am not talking about some Japanese American independent girl or someone who happens to be Japanese in the US. You can find Japanese milfs, it's not common but they exist. No, I am answering OP's specific question about touring jgirls. Emphasis on touring.

In the US, the average rate I paid was 330 for 60 minutes across 8 girls. Video is 200, bb is 100. Yes in New York the corgs have some exclusive pricing where a girl can be 400 or 500 but that is usually literally a few days before it drops towards 350. It is the early simp price, or some people joke the stretch her out first price. Almost no one pays that. At least I can't remember anyone paying 500 out of the last pages of reviews.

The corgs and korgs do not allow any girl to last even a few days if she doesn't perform to standard. I have seen girls get cut and sent off on their very first day. If she didn't get cut it is too late because word is out among us. My personal experience is If I am one of the first couple of customers I get texted after by booker asking if they should keep a girl or not (I have always said yes but others do not and the girl gets cut). It's brutal. Most girls are above an 8 out of 10 on T** (I guess that site is censored here?), under a 7 will get you cut. I'll be completely honest most FS girls in Japan would barely get a 5 to 7 due to the service gap. I have tried well over a hundred girls in both countries but go ahead and share your own comparison if you have it. Just talking averages here. I'm not even going to compare the looks which is a way bigger gap.

The reason jgirls in the US perform way better is they are competing against kgirls and they have to perform the full menu or don't even bother coming to the US. Shower preview, DFK, proper cock worship, MSOG. In Japan they even have charts showing which girls do what. Cool. Jgirls in the US do not get those charts, they are expected to do everything kgirls do with some leniency if they are super cute. Which is exactly why most of the girls who come end up being very cute and young in a roundabout way. If a jgirl (or even a young enough kgirl) misses a menu item like a proper shower preview on demand, we cut them slack if they're cute and suck our dick well. Otherwise they get cut. Word spreads fast it is not just USAG that is all I'll say.

Jgirls come because corgs and korgs will book them 8-12 appointments a day, and the percentage cut is way more than Japanese shops. I LINE my second favorite girl and asked why she doesn't just work at a shop in Japan. She said it doesn't make enough money. It's less than a third and closer to a fourth. I know how much she made in the US but won't say for safety. It is ridiculous. It checked out when I calculated an estimate (I know some kgirls' take and jgirls make more because of how they tour and offering video for 200). They are not just coming to the US BTW, it's a lot of countries. None of the top girls work in Japan at all. No point in trying, I see my favorite girl post updates and it is all of her having fun all summer. It is wild. I will admit I then jerk off to her videos. Everybody does.

My comparison does not even account for the fact that jgirls in the US are 100% foreigner friendly, not to mention extra options like bb and video should you choose. Or that you aren't even guarateed FS in delivery and it usually adds a tip. To state the obvious, while I can get service in Japan because I speak Japanese, obviously most American's have many hurdles not just language when visiting. I did have a good time in Japan with some weird options I can't try in the US. It just is not in the same league. I think I only try it out of curiosity alone while I happen to be in Japan. I basically have unlimited funds.

Where Japan really shines is everything besides FS. Dirt cheap and legal As David says, bjs are a steal in Japan. The best value anywhere in my opinion. You could go cheaper if you are willing to compromise a little. =) Amazingly, certain bj and hj bars do have very cute girls. See my post about them earlier.

Oppai pubs and some of the better hj/bj bars do have some cute girls, better than typical fs girls. Everybody knows this, no contest. I have often chatted with the Manzoku staff before and after for fun and Japanese customers make that comparison all the time. Even I'm tired of hearing it. The staff asks if they'd rather go delivery or soap and the Japanese customer says they're just going to get another baba (grandma but it's hyperbole of course) there. Baba bakkari another person said. I've seen the reverse where the Japanese customer asks the staff about FS and the staff first asks if they're okay with expecting slightly older women, the guy says nah and so the staff this time says yeah FS is baba anyways right. Not saying all delivery are like this but this is a bit of Japanese humor to exaggerate the reality. Many years ago when I went to Yoshiwara as I've told, I went with a friend. We poked our heads in many shops and my friend who is Japanese asks if the girls are "really 22" as advertised (they are fucking not BTW 22 could mean 25-35). And the staff guy gets super defensive and a bit pissed, he said - I still remember this vividly - "What (the fuck) did you expect? Morning Musume?" I added the fuck because his rude way of talking was basically saying that. His rudeness gives away the reality, he simply admitted it. That is how laughable the claim you find cute girls in soapland is - even the staff can't say it with a straight face. Hope that clears things up.

There are a few super high end soaps that promise this or that. I'm sure the girls are better looking, better service, or JAV stars. Cool. But at that point we are well past US prices.

Look, let's be real. The cutest girls don't do fs in Japan, or they fly to the US and get paid for being cute for fs (they won't in Japan). Maybe you or I can find a cute young girl in delivery health a few times. Sure. That is not the norm. I've talked to too many guys who got that reality check. I don't like hearing about people wasting money. If you are curious though and Japan is closer than the US, then cool. By all means you will have fun in Japan.

Cherry picking our best experiences doesn't count. So what I've done is compare my two worst jgirls. I'll post their public ad photos they used below. They both had decent skill and could both take a pounding, many positions, a long time. That's them with extra make up on (they don't do full make up for FS or it would get all over you). The girls don't look as good without make up but were still cute. Just not as cute as the other 6, 2 of whom were simply beautiful.

Can we now just stick to Tokyo threads here? I hope people have their question answered now. Ask US questions in the US forum. That's what I do.

[David032]

From reading USA Sex Guide and other sources on t seems that there's an influx of Japanese women escorting in the USA, especially in New York City. So it seems it has become easier to be services by Japanese women in NYC than in Japan, at a similar cost. Right or wrong?

It's actually not really a similar cost. The girls I have seen in NYC where charging like 400 500 bucks an hour the cheapest was 300 an hour. In Japan I can 2 hours unlimited pops for the cheaper price or those prices. For 500 US I can get like 4 hours in Japan. The reason most are going is because they know they can make way more there than in Japan. I can get just a BJ in Japan for as cheap as 40 bucks.