Tokyo

[David032]

Hi, I am an active contributor to USAG and have seen many jgirls, written plenty of guides. I have also used Japan for a very long time. So I can directly compare. I know I am disagreeing with David here on some things and I think it is important we each give our own honest opinion. I am not saying he is wrong, his opinion is very valuable. I do think he would be very satisfied if he tried these jgirls in the US. So I am just giving my own opinion and experience to paint a better picture. I don't intend to post about this topic anymore, it's been beaten to death by people who should be asking in USAG instead. I or someone else will answer it there.

The price is more in the US, but for what you get there is absolutely no contest for FS. The US is way better. The least attractive jgirls I saw in the US were way younger and more beautiful than the average jgirl I saw in Japan FS. I will post below the two least attractive girls I saw. Both were early 20's. Most girls coming were 20-24 and looked it, there are very few older girls but they'd have to bring something to compensate. The caveat is jgirls struggle to beat kgirls at service (DFK, BBBJ skill and duration, begging for cock, etc.). A lot of people won't touch jgirls because they acknowledge they are cute but don't compare to kgirls. I visit jgirls not expecting them to.

Whether looks or service, the very worst jgirl I had in the US was still better than the average Japan FS girl. Which is to say she was way younger, way cuter, and sucked and fucked way better. I have hours of video but no I'm never going to post them just to win some internet contest. You just do whatever you want and give your own opinion after, how about that.

I will say many of the fs jgirls in the US were more attractive than many jgirls even in oppai pubs. If we compare the average, the average is slightly higher for US jgirls. As someone who has gone to oppai pubs a ridiculous number of times over 20 years, I can say that.

Of course I have to point out every time I say jgirl I am referring to OP's question of jgirls who fly from Japan to work in the US. I am not talking about some Japanese American independent girl or someone who happens to be Japanese in the US. You can find Japanese milfs, it's not common but they exist. No, I am answering OP's specific question about touring jgirls. Emphasis on touring.

In the US, the average rate I paid was 330 for 60 minutes across 8 girls. Video is 200, bb is 100. Yes in New York the corgs have some exclusive pricing where a girl can be 400 or 500 but that is usually literally a few days before it drops towards 350. It is the early simp price, or some people joke the stretch her out first price. Almost no one pays that. At least I can't remember anyone paying 500 out of the last pages of reviews.

The corgs and korgs do not allow any girl to last even a few days if she doesn't perform to standard. I have seen girls get cut and sent off on their very first day. If she didn't get cut it is too late because word is out among us. My personal experience is If I am one of the first couple of customers I get texted after by booker asking if they should keep a girl or not (I have always said yes but others do not and the girl gets cut). It's brutal. Most girls are above an 8 out of 10 on T** (I guess that site is censored here?), under a 7 will get you cut. I'll be completely honest most FS girls in Japan would barely get a 5 to 7 due to the service gap. I have tried well over a hundred girls in both countries but go ahead and share your own comparison if you have it. Just talking averages here. I'm not even going to compare the looks which is a way bigger gap.

The reason jgirls in the US perform way better is they are competing against kgirls and they have to perform the full menu or don't even bother coming to the US. Shower preview, DFK, proper cock worship, MSOG. In Japan they even have charts showing which girls do what. Cool. Jgirls in the US do not get those charts, they are expected to do everything kgirls do with some leniency if they are super cute. Which is exactly why most of the girls who come end up being very cute and young in a roundabout way. If a jgirl (or even a young enough kgirl) misses a menu item like a proper shower preview on demand, we cut them slack if they're cute and suck our dick well. Otherwise they get cut. Word spreads fast it is not just USAG that is all I'll say.

Jgirls come because corgs and korgs will book them 8-12 appointments a day, and the percentage cut is way more than Japanese shops. I LINE my second favorite girl and asked why she doesn't just work at a shop in Japan. She said it doesn't make enough money. It's less than a third and closer to a fourth. I know how much she made in the US but won't say for safety. It is ridiculous. It checked out when I calculated an estimate (I know some kgirls' take and jgirls make more because of how they tour and offering video for 200). They are not just coming to the US BTW, it's a lot of countries. None of the top girls work in Japan at all. No point in trying, I see my favorite girl post updates and it is all of her having fun all summer. It is wild. I will admit I then jerk off to her videos. Everybody does.

My comparison does not even account for the fact that jgirls in the US are 100% foreigner friendly, not to mention extra options like bb and video should you choose. Or that you aren't even guarateed FS in delivery and it usually adds a tip. To state the obvious, while I can get service in Japan because I speak Japanese, obviously most American's have many hurdles not just language when visiting. I did have a good time in Japan with some weird options I can't try in the US. It just is not in the same league. I think I only try it out of curiosity alone while I happen to be in Japan. I basically have unlimited funds.

Where Japan really shines is everything besides FS. Dirt cheap and legal As David says, bjs are a steal in Japan. The best value anywhere in my opinion. You could go cheaper if you are willing to compromise a little. =) Amazingly, certain bj and hj bars do have very cute girls. See my post about them earlier.

Oppai pubs and some of the better hj/bj bars do have some cute girls, better than typical fs girls. Everybody knows this, no contest. I have often chatted with the Manzoku staff before and after for fun and Japanese customers make that comparison all the time. Even I'm tired of hearing it. The staff asks if they'd rather go delivery or soap and the Japanese customer says they're just going to get another baba (grandma but it's hyperbole of course) there. Baba bakkari another person said. I've seen the reverse where the Japanese customer asks the staff about FS and the staff first asks if they're okay with expecting slightly older women, the guy says nah and so the staff this time says yeah FS is baba anyways right. Not saying all delivery are like this but this is a bit of Japanese humor to exaggerate the reality. Many years ago when I went to Yoshiwara as I've told, I went with a friend. We poked our heads in many shops and my friend who is Japanese asks if the girls are "really 22" as advertised (they are fucking not BTW 22 could mean 25-35). And the staff guy gets super defensive and a bit pissed, he said - I still remember this vividly - "What (the fuck) did you expect? Morning Musume?" I added the fuck because his rude way of talking was basically saying that. His rudeness gives away the reality, he simply admitted it. That is how laughable the claim you find cute girls in soapland is - even the staff can't say it with a straight face. Hope that clears things up.

There are a few super high end soaps that promise this or that. I'm sure the girls are better looking, better service, or JAV stars. Cool. But at that point we are well past US prices.

Look, let's be real. The cutest girls don't do fs in Japan, or they fly to the US and get paid for being cute for fs (they won't in Japan). Maybe you or I can find a cute young girl in delivery health a few times. Sure. That is not the norm. I've talked to too many guys who got that reality check. I don't like hearing about people wasting money. If you are curious though and Japan is closer than the US, then cool. By all means you will have fun in Japan.

Cherry picking our best experiences doesn't count. So what I've done is compare my two worst jgirls. I'll post their public ad photos they used below. They both had decent skill and could both take a pounding, many positions, a long time. That's them with extra make up on (they don't do full make up for FS or it would get all over you). The girls don't look as good without make up but were still cute. Just not as cute as the other 6, 2 of whom were simply beautiful.

Can we now just stick to Tokyo threads here? I hope people have their question answered now. Ask US questions in the US forum. That's what I do.

He is actually spot with many points but the main point I disagree with is Japanese places do have FS yes the girls don't offer it because that's illegal. But most girls will offer it privately. But then again remember it's business they want repeat customer yaIdon't go to most of the agency's alot of you go to. They foreigner friendly ones tend have the older girl while the Japanese ones have the younger girls. But the Japanese agencies have plenty of girls who offer FS. But the average person on this forum just won't crack that nut. I always get FS so my view is skewed because of it. To me it does cost more in the US and way less in Japan. Also the service is 100 times better here. Truthfully I think it does really come down Ymmv. But the bottom line for me is I won't get arrested for visiting a girl in Japan. I have 4 Japanese girls ready at all times two of which have a standing offer for creampies. So please disregard that FS can not be found in Japan. My prices below.

For 8 girls in Japan.

90 minutes (I never do less) 40000 FS included multiple pops.

[Traveler X]

From reading USA Sex Guide and other sources on t seems that there's an influx of Japanese women escorting in the USA, especially in New York City. So it seems it has become easier to be services by Japanese women in NYC than in Japan, at a similar cost. Right or wrong?

Hi, I am an active contributor to USAG and have seen many jgirls, written plenty of guides. I have also used Japan for a very long time. So I can directly compare. I know I am disagreeing with David here on some things and I think it is important we each give our own honest opinion. I am not saying he is wrong, his opinion is very valuable. I do think he would be very satisfied if he tried these jgirls in the US. So I am just giving my own opinion and experience to paint a better picture. I don't intend to post about this topic anymore, it's been beaten to death by people who should be asking in USAG instead. I or someone else will answer it there.

The price is more in the US, but for what you get there is absolutely no contest for FS. The US is way better. The least attractive jgirls I saw in the US were way younger and more beautiful than the average jgirl I saw in Japan FS. I will post below the two least attractive girls I saw. Both were early 20's. Most girls coming were 20-24 and looked it, there are very few older girls but they'd have to bring something to compensate. The caveat is jgirls struggle to beat kgirls at service (DFK, BBBJ skill and duration, begging for cock, etc.). A lot of people won't touch jgirls because they acknowledge they are cute but don't compare to kgirls. I visit jgirls not expecting them to.

Whether looks or service, the very worst jgirl I had in the US was still better than the average Japan FS girl. Which is to say she was way younger, way cuter, and sucked and fucked way better. I have hours of video but no I'm never going to post them just to win some internet contest. You just do whatever you want and give your own opinion after, how about that.

I will say many of the fs jgirls in the US were more attractive than many jgirls even in oppai pubs. If we compare the average, the average is slightly higher for US jgirls. As someone who has gone to oppai pubs a ridiculous number of times over 20 years, I can say that.

Of course I have to point out every time I say jgirl I am referring to OP's question of jgirls who fly from Japan to work in the US. I am not talking about some Japanese American independent girl or someone who happens to be Japanese in the US. You can find Japanese milfs, it's not common but they exist. No, I am answering OP's specific question about touring jgirls. Emphasis on touring.

In the US, the average rate I paid was 330 for 60 minutes across 8 girls. Video is 200, bb is 100. Yes in New York the corgs have some exclusive pricing where a girl can be 400 or 500 but that is usually literally a few days before it drops towards 350. It is the early simp price, or some people joke the stretch her out first price. Almost no one pays that. At least I can't remember anyone paying 500 out of the last pages of reviews.

The corgs and korgs do not allow any girl to last even a few days if she doesn't perform to standard. I have seen girls get cut and sent off on their very first day. If she didn't get cut it is too late because word is out among us. My personal experience is If I am one of the first couple of customers I get texted after by booker asking if they should keep a girl or not (I have always said yes but others do not and the girl gets cut). It's brutal. Most girls are above an 8 out of 10 on T** (I guess that site is censored here?), under a 7 will get you cut. I'll be completely honest most FS girls in Japan would barely get a 5 to 7 due to the service gap. I have tried well over a hundred girls in both countries but go ahead and share your own comparison if you have it. Just talking averages here. I'm not even going to compare the looks which is a way bigger gap.

The reason jgirls in the US perform way better is they are competing against kgirls and they have to perform the full menu or don't even bother coming to the US. Shower preview, DFK, proper cock worship, MSOG. In Japan they even have charts showing which girls do what. Cool. Jgirls in the US do not get those charts, they are expected to do everything kgirls do with some leniency if they are super cute. Which is exactly why most of the girls who come end up being very cute and young in a roundabout way. If a jgirl (or even a young enough kgirl) misses a menu item like a proper shower preview on demand, we cut them slack if they're cute and suck our dick well. Otherwise they get cut. Word spreads fast it is not just USAG that is all I'll say.

Jgirls come because corgs and korgs will book them 8-12 appointments a day, and the percentage cut is way more than Japanese shops. I LINE my second favorite girl and asked why she doesn't just work at a shop in Japan. She said it doesn't make enough money. It's less than a third and closer to a fourth. I know how much she made in the US but won't say for safety. It is ridiculous. It checked out when I calculated an estimate (I know some kgirls' take and jgirls make more because of how they tour and offering video for 200). They are not just coming to the US BTW, it's a lot of countries. None of the top girls work in Japan at all. No point in trying, I see my favorite girl post updates and it is all of her having fun all summer. It is wild. I will admit I then jerk off to her videos. Everybody does.

My comparison does not even account for the fact that jgirls in the US are 100% foreigner friendly, not to mention extra options like bb and video should you choose. Or that you aren't even guarateed FS in delivery and it usually adds a tip. To state the obvious, while I can get service in Japan because I speak Japanese, obviously most American's have many hurdles not just language when visiting. I did have a good time in Japan with some weird options I can't try in the US. It just is not in the same league. I think I only try it out of curiosity alone while I happen to be in Japan. I basically have unlimited funds.

Where Japan really shines is everything besides FS. Dirt cheap and legal As David says, bjs are a steal in Japan. The best value anywhere in my opinion. You could go cheaper if you are willing to compromise a little. =) Amazingly, certain bj and hj bars do have very cute girls. See my post about them earlier.

Oppai pubs and some of the better hj/bj bars do have some cute girls, better than typical fs girls. Everybody knows this, no contest. I have often chatted with the Manzoku staff before and after for fun and Japanese customers make that comparison all the time. Even I'm tired of hearing it. The staff asks if they'd rather go delivery or soap and the Japanese customer says they're just going to get another baba (grandma but it's hyperbole of course) there. Baba bakkari another person said. I've seen the reverse where the Japanese customer asks the staff about FS and the staff first asks if they're okay with expecting slightly older women, the guy says nah and so the staff this time says yeah FS is baba anyways right. Not saying all delivery are like this but this is a bit of Japanese humor to exaggerate the reality. Many years ago when I went to Yoshiwara as I've told, I went with a friend. We poked our heads in many shops and my friend who is Japanese asks if the girls are "really 22" as advertised (they are fucking not BTW 22 could mean 25-35). And the staff guy gets super defensive and a bit pissed, he said - I still remember this vividly - "What (the fuck) did you expect? Morning Musume?" I added the fuck because his rude way of talking was basically saying that. His rudeness gives away the reality, he simply admitted it. That is how laughable the claim you find cute girls in soapland is - even the staff can't say it with a straight face. Hope that clears things up.

There are a few super high end soaps that promise this or that. I'm sure the girls are better looking, better service, or JAV stars. Cool. But at that point we are well past US prices.

Look, let's be real. The cutest girls don't do fs in Japan, or they fly to the US and get paid for being cute for fs (they won't in Japan). Maybe you or I can find a cute young girl in delivery health a few times. Sure. That is not the norm. I've talked to too many guys who got that reality check. I don't like hearing about people wasting money. If you are curious though and Japan is closer than the US, then cool. By all means you will have fun in Japan.

Cherry picking our best experiences doesn't count. So what I've done is compare my two worst jgirls. I'll post their public ad photos they used below. They both had decent skill and could both take a pounding, many positions, a long time. That's them with extra make up on (they don't do full make up for FS or it would get all over you). The girls don't look as good without make up but were still cute. Just not as cute as the other 6, 2 of whom were simply beautiful.

Can we now just stick to Tokyo threads here? I hope people have their question answered now. Ask US questions in the US forum. That's what I do.

[David032]

From reading USA Sex Guide and other sources on t seems that there's an influx of Japanese women escorting in the USA, especially in New York City. So it seems it has become easier to be services by Japanese women in NYC than in Japan, at a similar cost. Right or wrong?

It's actually not really a similar cost. The girls I have seen in NYC where charging like 400 500 bucks an hour the cheapest was 300 an hour. In Japan I can 2 hours unlimited pops for the cheaper price or those prices. For 500 US I can get like 4 hours in Japan. The reason most are going is because they know they can make way more there than in Japan. I can get just a BJ in Japan for as cheap as 40 bucks.

[Baygon01]

From reading USA Sex Guide and other sources on t seems that there's an influx of Japanese women escorting in the USA, especially in New York City. So it seems it has become easier to be services by Japanese women in NYC than in Japan, at a similar cost. Right or wrong?

[NRandom940]

I also visited Amateur Tokyo recently and felt the same. I arrived in the late afternoon and was shown a binder with the system prices. I think locals may get a cheaper price because I noticed that the page I was shown showed prices that were cheaper than on the web site. I had thought I was in the wrong place but then the guy working there showed me another page with the same prices as on the web site. There is no signage outside of the building but the access page on the web site is accurate and the shop is the only thing upstairs. I don't speak any Japanese and I am unsure about the English level of the worker there because he didn't say much. I was shown a handful of girls available and after making my selection was told to pay 27.5 k for 65 minutes: 21 k + 2 k admission +2 k nomination fee + 2. 5 k?. It was unclear what the extra 2. 5 k was for; I think maybe because it was my first time there. I was given a ticket and told to return in 45 minutes.

When I came back, they told me to go to Hotel Top (two buildings down) and the girl came to the room a couple of minutes later. The girl was pleasant enough but did not speak and English. The face on the pictures are a little photoshopped but I would say it is pretty accurate and the age of the girl seemed correct. It was the standard SOP (shower, some play on the bed, BBBJ, another shower).

I did have to pay the hotel 5 k for the room because it was after 5:00 PM (which seems a bit high IMO) so all in I was out 32.5 k for an hour of play. For that amount, it doesn't seem like a good value and if I'm spending that amount I would look at other places next time.

P.S. The guy working at the hotel has a surely attitude and seems like an asshole. I would avoid Hotel Top.

Are you experienced in Tokyo? What do you think is the best value? It's always disappointing when FS isn't on the menu.

Have you (or anyone else here) tried sites like this one.

https://www.milf-escort-tokyo.jp/girls_list.html

Is it a high probability that if I pay for anal as extra service that it will end up being FS (vaginal)?

[King Squared]

I also visited Amateur Tokyo recently and felt the same. I arrived in the late afternoon and was shown a binder with the system prices. I think locals may get a cheaper price because I noticed that the page I was shown showed prices that were cheaper than on the web site. I had thought I was in the wrong place but then the guy working there showed me another page with the same prices as on the web site. There is no signage outside of the building but the access page on the web site is accurate and the shop is the only thing upstairs. I don't speak any Japanese and I am unsure about the English level of the worker there because he didn't say much. I was shown a handful of girls available and after making my selection was told to pay 27.5 k for 65 minutes: 21 k + 2 k admission +2 k nomination fee + 2. 5 k?. It was unclear what the extra 2. 5 k was for; I think maybe because it was my first time there. I was given a ticket and told to return in 45 minutes.

When I came back, they told me to go to Hotel Top (two buildings down) and the girl came to the room a couple of minutes later. The girl was pleasant enough but did not speak and English. The face on the pictures are a little photoshopped but I would say it is pretty accurate and the age of the girl seemed correct. It was the standard SOP (shower, some play on the bed, BBBJ, another shower).

I did have to pay the hotel 5 k for the room because it was after 5:00 PM (which seems a bit high IMO) so all in I was out 32.5 k for an hour of play. For that amount, it doesn't seem like a good value and if I'm spending that amount I would look at other places next time.

P.S. The guy working at the hotel has a surely attitude and seems like an asshole. I would avoid Hotel Top.

Day 1: I went to the incall location of http://amateurtokyo.com/. They had only 2 girls for me to choose from at around noon. The girl was heavier than her pictures. If I would have been choosing in person, I would have declined everything. The total cost for 50 minutes (including a short time hotel room next door) was 25,500 yen (about $172 usd). This price is too high for what it's worth to me, with girls you can't see before buying and BJ only.

[Traveler X]

I am more sympathetic towards non-Japanese-run establishments than most, perhaps because I work with a lot of foreign nationals (chiefly Filipinos, Africans) around Kabukicho. I think these girls bars are a great option for those who don't speak a lick of Japanese. There is certainly a higher degree of caution that must be taken. Don't use your credit card. Don't follow random African touts if it can be helped. Don't stick around if nobody's in the bar, or if things feel off.

If anyone's interested I can give a few examples of international kyabakura that are safe and worth your time.

Yes there are certainly good non-Japanese establishments. But not always easy for a newer tourist to know which to go to, and as you say there is some risk. Both news and the US consulate warn in particular of underground Kabukicho bars recommended by touts, and lately even downtown Yokohama bars. It is just a few shady bars a tout might take you to but that is the risk.

To give one example of what the term underground bar means. In one case when someone was drugged and overcharged / robbed at a bar, they were the only customer. He filed a police report and when the police went to the bar, it was completely emptied and gone. It is no surprise that the bar would be near empty if drugging was going on. And emptying the bar when not scamming just shows that's all the bar exists for and even the bar owner is involved - this was no mistake or one-off at their bar. But other scams involve over-charging with a low entry fee but a higher "2nd hour" fee, including where girls invite guys and dash to leave them with the whole bill. All kinds of variations of these. This video covers just 2 examples:
https://youtu.be/NeZUOFKOUeI?t=315

I'd even say that when I was in other cities like Nagoya, every tout was legit because they were either a direct shop employee (standing outside on a slow day) or a manzoku employee. Probably on account of Nagoya being not a tourist destination, so downtown caters to locals. Manzoku would not send you to a bad place because they money off repeat visits. I have a 100% success rate going with their recommendation. That is how I found Luxe, Hosekinobako, Leicester, etc. Every shop is clearly advertised on the wall so these are not underground places, they are legit establishments competing to give good service. I've gone to oppai pubs sporadically for 20 years and service is emphasized there just like the rest of Japan.

I have written this already but there was one Chinese run kyabakura that was actually good, and the girls were open to take out. I spoke enough Chinese to have fun. The problem is the Chinese tout took me to 12 places in a row that sucked before finally taking me there, probably because the other places offered bjs and more and probably gave a better finder's fee. It would be pages to write them all out but I would just sum them up by saying they really sucked and the girls were ugly. I am easy to please so I don't say that for nothing. I am sure there are other good non-Japanese bars, I've heard of them, but that is just my experience. If there is a reliable non-Japanese shop I hope we recommend and support them.

I believe you can see an example of a Manzoku shop just left-center of this video with big red letters. I'm not great at kanji but the first two characters are "muryou" as in "free information booth":
https://youtu.be/NeZUOFKOUeI?t=492

If you are shy and not sure, just ask any guy inside if "English ok" or just walk around quietly looking at the signs. Someone there might be able to speak enough. We all start somewhere. They get paid a small finders fee if they connect you to a shop that accepts you, so they will help you if they think they can. Depending on what you want.

[NRandom940]

Day 1: I went to the incall location of http://amateurtokyo.com/. They had only 2 girls for me to choose from at around noon. The girl was heavier than her pictures. If I would have been choosing in person, I would have declined everything. The total cost for 50 minutes (including a short time hotel room next door) was 25,500 yen (about $172 usd). This price is too high for what it's worth to me, with girls you can't see before buying and BJ only.

Day 2: Went to Kira Kira soapland in a Yokohama. I know there's a separate Yokohama forum, but it's close enough to Tokyo so I hope it's okay to post it here. I went there just after 1 pm. They showed me photos of 3 girls that I could choose from. I didn't like any of them so I asked if I could pick a girl from the website and make a reservation for later. They said yes. I picked a girl and they told me she doesn't accept non-Japanese speakers. Then they brought me photos of the girls I could make reservations with. Luckily, one of them was to my taste, then I had to wait until 2:30 p to meet her. It was cool sliding around on the inflatable mattress and getting all soapy and slippery. But on the other hand it kind of wastes a lot of time. It made me think of a time I was in Sao Paolo Brazil and the girls were wasting too much time in the shower so my 30 minutes ended up being only 15 and I felt scammed. It felt like she was trying to rush the sex once we got to it. And when I didn't finish quickly through either sex, oral, or hand. Then she asked me to finish myself with my hand. So I finished myself 99% then let her take over for the last 1% when I finished with her handjob. The cost was 31000 yen, but they said if I visit 8 times I become a member then it becomes 15000 yen (for 70 minutes). Overall, I'd say it was OK. That goopy soap they use for sliding around on the mattress makes for some interesting sex lubricant.

[Juniper1111]

The girls clean after each customer but it is up to your level of comfort. A fast food version of US strip clubs where you might do the same.

Kissing limits things. Some are lfk while a few are dfk. You ask about the risks and while I'd say the risks are low I will list them. Most people in the US already have oral herpes (50 to 80) but if you haven't kissed girls much this might be your first exposure. Those cause cold sores in the mouth, it is so common not worth mentioning. Not to be confused with genital herpes which is more associated with fs. Then there is also some strains of HPV which there is a vaccine for. Kissing has a pretty short list of stds compared to fs. I have never had any issues, only problem was when trying FS places. Again it is up to your level of comfort.

So I am only speaking of Shinjuku. The Manzoku staff which is a 3rd party service said Luxe were the only openly foreigner friendly oppai pub in that area. But implicitly they mean Japanese-run with Japanese girls. The customers were majority foreigner so the girls know a little English or at least how to roll with it. The staff speak English and are expecting their share of foreign customers.

Shinjuku has the most oppai pubs in Japan as far as I'm aware. Other cities and parts of Tokyo have them, some only one. It is funny that in Japan, certain cities specialize in certain clubs or have a lot of one type. It is very regional.

Thank you for the detailed response. I will consider this before taking a decision.

[Bonico]

I agree on kyabakura as far as language. When I could barely speak Japanese, I could get into some oppai pubs and full play (but not FS) places. But not kyabakura. Now that I can speak well, looking back it wouldn't have been fun.

Most of the girls holding up signs are for girl's bars, maid cafes, or some variation of it. More casual than kyabakura. Some areas have non-Japanese girls and I would not trust them since scams are a risk there. With legit Japanese-run establishments you can even see the IG for some of them, some are kind of cool small but owned and run by the girls themselves (this is not the norm). There's all kinds whether girls rotate or where it's just a small shop with 2-3 girls as the bartenders with no rotation - they stop by and check on you but on the plus side they don't ask you to buy them a drink.

I don't think it is what most guys are interested in since it is pretty tame, but I did go to one long ago in Osaka where it was very casual and the girls were nice. It's just to chat, a few have very cute girls and it was fun even with middling Japanese skills. I would say the one advantage is if you click with a particular girl, you can start with her. Once the shops get filled and the girls start working, they are no longer holding up signs outside of course. It was worth doing out of curiosity, but not a main attraction.

Again, beware of non-Japanese establishments.

I am more sympathetic towards non-Japanese-run establishments than most, perhaps because I work with a lot of foreign nationals (chiefly Filipinos, Africans) around Kabukicho. I think these girls bars are a great option for those who don't speak a lick of Japanese. There is certainly a higher degree of caution that must be taken. Don't use your credit card. Don't follow random African touts if it can be helped. Don't stick around if nobody's in the bar, or if things feel off.

If anyone's interested I can give a few examples of international kyabakura that are safe and worth your time.

[Traveler X]

I will be visiting Japan soon and I was hoping to get some more information.

I have read the forums and luxe seems to be the only option for English friendly oppai bar. So, I had a few questions:

1. How safe is it in terms of hygiene of girls there at luxe? Do they clean up after every customer?

2. Are these bars safe in terms of STDs? I do understand that kissing has lower probability but since it is there, I wanted to know how prevalent it is. Or what the risks are?

3. Are there any other places apart from luxe? Which are good and safe?

Thanks!

The girls clean after each customer but it is up to your level of comfort. A fast food version of US strip clubs where you might do the same.

Kissing limits things. Some are lfk while a few are dfk. You ask about the risks and while I'd say the risks are low I will list them. Most people in the US already have oral herpes (50 to 80) but if you haven't kissed girls much this might be your first exposure. Those cause cold sores in the mouth, it is so common not worth mentioning. Not to be confused with genital herpes which is more associated with fs. Then there is also some strains of HPV which there is a vaccine for. Kissing has a pretty short list of stds compared to fs. I have never had any issues, only problem was when trying FS places. Again it is up to your level of comfort.

So I am only speaking of Shinjuku. The Manzoku staff which is a 3rd party service said Luxe were the only openly foreigner friendly oppai pub in that area. But implicitly they mean Japanese-run with Japanese girls. The customers were majority foreigner so the girls know a little English or at least how to roll with it. The staff speak English and are expecting their share of foreign customers.

Shinjuku has the most oppai pubs in Japan as far as I'm aware. Other cities and parts of Tokyo have them, some only one. It is funny that in Japan, certain cities specialize in certain clubs or have a lot of one type. It is very regional.

[David032]

Found this on my Twitter feed there are many sites like it. They take pictures of working girls and there customers and post it on twitter. Sometimes the people don't even know they have been photographed.

[Juniper1111]

If it's a scam, it's going to be at a scam bar worst case. You can just go to a legit foreigner-friendly places like Luxe:

https://luxe-shinjuku.jp/

I will be visiting Japan soon and I was hoping to get some more information.

I have read the forums and luxe seems to be the only option for English friendly oppai bar. So, I had a few questions:

1. How safe is it in terms of hygiene of girls there at luxe? Do they clean up after every customer?

2. Are these bars safe in terms of STDs? I do understand that kissing has lower probability but since it is there, I wanted to know how prevalent it is. Or what the risks are?

3. Are there any other places apart from luxe? Which are good and safe?

Thanks!

[Traveler X]

1) Are those prices I quoted realistic? E. g. If I just want to speak to a girl touching her for an hour, is 8000 legit, or will she rip me off for drinks for a load of money?

2) I know sex is illegal to sell in Japan, and e. G. "legit" brands like THC officially say they don't do it, but unofficially you can talk to the girls about it. I know also at THC the prices are MUCH higher than 15 k, like, if you want sex, it would be upward of 35 k in total. So, is what's the deal with the 15 k offer from a street guy?

3) How do I know a scam from not-a-scam? My guess is the african people must be scam, but the Japanese wouldn't be, what do you think?

If it's a scam, it's going to be at a scam bar worst case. You can just go to a legit foreigner-friendly places like Luxe:

https://luxe-shinjuku.jp/

It is 6000 yen to 8000 yen (depends on hour of the day) for their promo rate. I don't deal with the Nigerian touts but any tout could take you there if you absolutely insist on it. They get paid a finder's fee from Luxe, it's all open and honest there. Luxe is a "touch girls all you want" club (kissing and boobs okay but don't touch a girl's privates) and at least has Japanese girls. Many of the staff at Luxe are native English speakers who have clearly lived many years in the US. Search this forum about the club. It is pretty good for a club that caters to foreigners.

There are "24 hour information shops" all over Shinjuku and you see the "18 years and up only" curtains in front of them. Just walk in and ask for any place that is "English ok". Manzoku is what Japanese use, but there is one I can't remember the name of the shop that is English staff. Plastered on the walls are all the top clubs mostly oppai pubs and hostess bars or fetish clubs. But you won't find FS or delivery clubs, which is what you seem to be curious about. However you did say you want an adventure so you will definitely find something you can't find elsewhere.

If you mean all the girls standing in a row holding up signs, you probably mean this:

https://youtu.be/zK-fGht1QEI?t=333

You wouldn't be interested unless you speak enough Japanese to enjoy it. I mean go ahead if you find a girl your type I guess but there is some minimum of language needed to have fun.

For FS, don't rely on touts and research online before you go. I'd give this same advice even to 100% Japanese customers. Don't rely on touts for fs, it just sucks. I mean, I tried a dozen times and every place they took me to sucked. Zero of the places they took me were Japanese. Believe me, they sucked - the girls were ugly foreign girls and that's not half of it.

What's amazing is considering every place I found myself or through Manzoku was amazingly good. Really says something about the Shinjuku tout's (nigerian / chinese) business plan. Ripping off foreigners.

I did not have this issue with touts in other cities, just Tokyo.

[David032]

Hi everyone,

I recently moved to Japan longer term and looking to explore the night life more. I tried last year Tokyo Hentai Club twice. The experience was good, both girls were very clean, good-looking ladies and overall an amazing company. One of them is still engraved in my memory and I'm thinking at times of visiting her again.

However, I'm still a younger guy and eager to explore, not settling for one option.

Recently I've been to Shinjiku and noticed there are lots of people offering stuff on the streets. I found out they say basically anything is on the table: just talking to a girl - 3000 yen, talking and touching - 8000, sex - 15,000. Others offered a massage for 3000. I like spontaneous experiences much more than pre-arranged ones. Researching the best operation ahead of time, booking a girl in advance. All fine and great but will not compare with a spontaneous decision to follow a stranger while drunk after clubbing.

However, I know there must be a lot of scam in those offers. Like I keep seeing the advice not to engage with the african people who offer such stuff. But I also saw some Japanese people speaking to me about it. And, there are those rows of dressed-up girls just standing along the street advertising something like girl bars, for a similar price?

At this point I'm looking to just get my toes wet, and have an hour-long experience just talking to a girl with possibility to touch, possibly in an intimate setting where it's just the two of us.

Soooo, I'm a bit lost. Basically my questions:

1) Are those prices I quoted realistic? E. g. If I just want to speak to a girl touching her for an hour, is 8000 legit, or will she rip me off for drinks for a load of money?

2) I know sex is illegal to sell in Japan, and e. G. "legit" brands like THC officially say they don't do it, but unofficially you can talk to the girls about it. I know also at THC the prices are MUCH higher than 15 k, like, if you want sex, it would be upward of 35 k in total. So, is what's the deal with the 15 k offer from a street guy?

3) How do I know a scam from not-a-scam? My guess is the african people must be scam, but the Japanese wouldn't be, what do you think?

Honestly no idea how tell what's a scam besides the fact. If they are approaching you on the street as a foreigner it's either a scam or illegal as hell period. The good news is they don't run prostitution stings here like they do in the US. The person your talking to won't be a cop. There version of sting is to watch everything happen then come in stop you and question you. Keep in mind they can detain you for up to 25 days to question you if they want. Sure the likelyhood is low but the possibility is there.

Though I would also say the likelyhood of a street hawkers that approached you first being illegal is low. It's more if you approached them first. The ones that approach you are going off the fact your foreignor and know sex work is legal. So they promise you everything get you into a shady little place. Give you a handjob at most kick you on your way. What are you going to do call the police. Hell if you create an issue the shop itself will call the police. Cause your the one complaining about not getting an illegal service. Of course the shop would never do that. Guess what the speak Japanese you don't and your in a red light area. Your going to lose that argument 9 times out of 10.

Just remember this sex work as a whole is legal. To many foreigners have tried to do things they do in other places thinking they can get away with it. They get rough or aggressive, they make the girl do something she didn't want to do, they try and record it without paying, they take the girls money and run away while the girls in the bathroom. The shops will call the police and the love hotel or hotel will give up the video tapes the day off. Know of a least 5 services members pending legal actions for trying similar things with working girls thinking they wouldn't be reported guess what they got reported career ruined.

Below is a link that lists a bunch of shops that allow foreigners give it a try.

https://yoasobi-heaven.com/en/tokyo/shop-list/