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08-22-24 11:34 #15320Of course, that isn't true. The S & P was up 26.29% in 2023. The Dow was up 13.70%. The NASDAQ was up 49.32%. So maybe you're talking about the market for used up Seeking hookers? Or the market for silver; that market reached its high oh 50 years ago with the Hunt brothers.
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08-22-24 08:43 #15319
DAY #1 at the DNC: Thank You Joe!...
Indeed, it's been a pleasure to watch. And DAY #2 is sure to be even better with the Obama's. Originally Posted by EihTooms
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With a whooping 20 Million viewers, beating both Night #1's of the 2024 RNC and the 2020 DNC (during a lockdown with COVID), it was a masterful demonstration of a coalition and democratic union, united in a joyous fellowship of Dems and Repubs, to beat fascist Trump and Project 2025, in ROEvember.
IMHO, FWIW the outstanding and notable performances, were by:
- Rep.Jamie Raskin: "...and defeat Donald Trump the career criminal and encourage-able, recidivist, con man and his pet chameleon JD Vance." He then goes on to say, "...and America, let's make it a landslide, so big, that not even Trump and his Kangaroo court, Supreme Court Justices can try to steal it." {...crowd erupts}
Rep.Jasmin Crokett: The up and coming, Democrat superstar delivered an "American dream" vs. "America's nightmare" speech, that was full of play on words and alliteration magic. Best line
in her speech was "...America who would you hire? One has a resume, while the other has a rap sheet!" {...crowd erupts}
Senator Raphael Warnock (GA): Brilliant sermon! Talking about the same "sacrifice" and "humble" upbringings, he has in common with the with the next president of the USA.
Joe Biden, will be remembered as exiting the office of the WH, with Love, Gratitude, Honor, Sacrifice and 50 years of an illustrious career of Service to the American people.
Thank You Joe, Thank You Joe, Thank You Joe!
- Rep.Jamie Raskin: "...and defeat Donald Trump the career criminal and encourage-able, recidivist, con man and his pet chameleon JD Vance." He then goes on to say, "...and America, let's make it a landslide, so big, that not even Trump and his Kangaroo court, Supreme Court Justices can try to steal it." {...crowd erupts}
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08-22-24 08:12 #15318
Another Economic Fact That MAGAs Probably Won't Get
In Bill Clinton's terrific speech at the Democratic National Convention tonight he reminded the world of a remarkable economic fact regarding jobs creation under Dem presidents' policies and stewardship vs jobs created under Repub presidents' policies and stewardship.
Of the 51 Million jobs created since the end of the Cold War in 1989, here is the scorecard:
Dem presidents = 50 Million.
Repub presidents = 1 Million.
https://www.youtube.com/live/tSzM0lZ...UIYwH_idTmtRu3
I see some Factcheckers quibbling over the total number, some say it was 49 Million to 1. 5 Million and stuff like that. And, naturally, pro Repub Mainstream Media are rushing in to provide one lame excuse after another for their beloved Repub presidents' crap jobs creation results. We all know the drill: poor Repub GW Bush was "unlucky" enough to have been in office when his Repub / GW Bush Financial Crisis hit at the end of his presidency and poor Repub Donald Trump was "unlucky" enough to lay the foundation for, embrace, create, exacerbate and lie the world into Trump's Pandemic and all that crap.
And, if you only go back to the last couple of Repubs, I might, uh, might be able to excuse the ill-informed for being conned by MSM into believing maybe it was just a couple of back-to-back "unlucky" Repub presidents.
But nope. LOL.
The great President Bill Clinton inspired me to finally get around to checking out something I have been meaning to check for a while.
It turns out the number of USA jobs that have been created over the past 100 years, since 1925, give or take 1-2 Million, is roughly 137,000,000.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs...idential_terms
Here is the 100 year scorecard:
Dem presidents = 100,000,000.
Repub presidents = 37,000,000.
Those are the parameters and numbers the world should be made aware of as much or more than Clinton's "since 1989" economic fact.
Mind you, other than FDR taking over just as Coolidge / Hoover's Great Repub Depression was crashing down around our ears, factoring in WWII and Barack Obama taking over just as GW Bush's Great Repub Recession was crashing down around our ears, all of the top 5 Government Debt creators of the past 100 years were among those lousy Repub jobs creating Repubs as well. (Wilson had WWI to deal with. But that was more than 100 years ago).
So it's not like we got lousy jobs creation out of Repubs but at least they didn't add the most government debt! No, we got the worst of BOTH economic worlds from them!
https://www.investopedia.com/us-debt...entage-7371225
Also, there were the same number of different Repub presidents as Dem presidents since 1925.
And I know how MSM would respond to it:
"Oh, the poor Repub was unlucky enough to be in office when the Great Repub Depression just happened out of nowhere. ".
"Oh, the poor Repub was unlucky enough to be in office when a series of 3 Recessions hit on his watch out of nowhere. ".
"Oh, the poor Repub was unlucky enough to be in office when the Nixon / Ford Recessions hit out of nowhere. ".
"Oh, the poor Repub was unlucky enough to be in office when his Great Reagan / Repub Recession just happened to hit out of nowhere. ".
"Oh, the poor Repub was unlucky enough to be in office when his Financial Crisis just happened at the end of his presidency out nowhere. ".
"Oh, the poor Repub was just unlucky enough to be in office when he added $2. 5 Trillion to the deficit just to create 1 million fewer jobs with his economic "stimulus" legislation than without it and when his Trump's Pandemic just happened out of nowhere. ".
Seriously. At some point during that inarguable pattern of "Once in 100 Years" Repub Economic Disasters, the World can simply no longer believe in THAT much "bad luck" for one political Party any more than they can believe in the Tooth Fairy after age 6.
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08-22-24 01:29 #15317
You want lower gas prices and lower Fed Funds Rates?
This should be great news for anyone craving lower gas prices and a reduction in the Fed Funds Rate / Interest Rates!
No, it doesn't increase the chances of a Recession; Quarterly GDP Growth during this period has not been revised downward yet. No, it doesn't change the overall historic jobs creation record for Biden-Harris. No, it does not change the upward jobs creation since March of this year. And, no, it does not predict a change in the usual pattern of upwardly revised jobs reports immediately following similar downward revisions.
Jobs growth gets its biggest downward revision since 2009. Why this time is different.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/21/us-j...ndroidappshare
But it does demonstrate that the Fed's concerted effort to articially induce a slow-down in the roaring economy Jobs Creation of Bidenomics, as wished for.
It further demonstrates that the dollar amounts of Biden's post-Trump's Pandemic Recovery Legislation were as close to the dime as humanly possible of being exactly what was necessary to produce the Best Recovery from Trump's Pandemic on the Planet while also averting a Great Repub Global or Domestic Depression, Great Repub Global or Domestic Recession and a Hard Crash Landing.
And it predicates the wished for reduction in the Fed Funds Rate and oil and gas prices, which today is only 49 cents more for a gallon for regular gas than it hit in 2019:
Fed minutes point to likely rate cut coming in September.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/21/fed-...ndroidappshare
U.S. crude oil falls below $72 per barrel as jobs growth revised lower.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/21/oil-...ndroidappshare
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08-21-24 21:03 #15316
Why should MINORITY rule and nonsense "culture wars" hold the US hostage?
YES, this is the same David French. As both your articles/links, mirrors what I previously posted, about him bemoaning the decline, the degeneration and the decay among Republicans, Conservatism and Christianity in America. Largely in part all attributed the cult of MAGA and Trump. Originally Posted by Elvis 2008
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Keep in mind, Trump is the same guy that ditch service through a fake heel spurs on his foot. So the point your making is Repubs are cowardly military draft dodgers, who then turn around and make fun of those Americans that have sacrificed and served?
French's conclusions about "voting for Harris", while trying to save Conservatism from itself and Bill Maher's CURRENT views on who is the better candidate for the presidency, the White House and to governing America for is spot on, in the belief that Veep Harris is better for the country and as it so happens Conservatism.
Point being, good COMMON SENSE people, despite their religious, socio-economic or political differences, can change their views, when their beloved affiliations, organizations or country are clearly facing an existential crisis, in Trump.
As for the culture wars" part of your post:
With regards to the "wars", those of you on the extreme right of insanity, like to dream up every day, here's what I'll say about that extreme nonsense, that rails against true equality.
That, from the "war of the sexes", the "war on the LGBTQ community", the "war on DEI", the "war on white men", the "war on purple dinosaurs (my fav.)" and all the other culture wars, those on the extreme right, love to beat their chests over everyday...I'd thought it was pretty obvious, that by now:
- We (mostly) in America, settle or differences at the BALLOT-BOX:
1. in a "civilized" country (at least today), such as we have in the USA, many of your nonsensical extreme right "culture wars" and the major issues, that the MAJORITY of Americans want to resolve, are hard fought, and either won or lost at the BALLOT-BOX.
2. your minority "culture war" issues, are a great example of why we need to do away with the Electoral College and a disproportional Senate, IF IT IS TRUE EQUALITY, that you're arguing for.
It's 2024 and America is still being held hostage by MINORITY rule at the BALLOT-BOX.
3. if you're not winning things like the "purple dinosaur" culture wars at the BALLOT-BOX, may I suggest changing your messaging to something Americans ACTUALLY care about?
- We (mostly) in America, settle or differences at the BALLOT-BOX:
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08-21-24 20:09 #15315
Touche' Newt and water is wet
The Democrats hate Democracy. Originally Posted by Elvis2008
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They are lapdogs for the Oligarchy.
https://www.breitbart.com/2024-elect...power-brokers/
And David French is most certainly a woman with a beard.
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08-21-24 19:45 #15314
Yeah, I do not get the economic posts
When you rack up a trillion in debt every few months, you can add 2 million government jobs at $50,000 per year. The latest Biden / Harris juking the stats was a downward version of nearly a million jobs 818,000 jobs to be exact. Who but government can misplace a million jobs BTW? https://mishtalk.com/economics/bls-r...000-per-month/. Originally Posted by MarquisdeSade1
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Racking up the credit card to give people jobs is not economic progress. Spidy seems to have forgotten the market was down in 2022 and 2023 and this year have seen the stock market go ever higher, but that has been on the price part of the PE ration not earnings. And are earnings going higher due to companies doing better or is it just due to companies having higher earnings and sales number due to inflation?
Thing is you get to a point where the bond market punishes the government to the point that it cannot keep spending like a drunken sailor. That is happening and if you compare this market to 2000, if you recall, there was talk of us not having any debt. Those were the days. We are racking up more debt in a year or two than we had total debt in 2000.
Of course, in those days, we just talked of cutting government spending and raising taxes. If you asked the American people if they had to pay more taxes to get a 2000 style economy, I bet they would but not now not with this much government gluttony.
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08-21-24 19:07 #15313
One of the best 1st night DNC speeches
From someone who knows:
The UAW president says Kamala Harris is a fighter for the working class.
And he called Trump a 'scab.'
Aug. 19, 2024
https://www.politico.com/live-update...peaks-00174857
View the full great 10 minute speech here:The president of the United Auto Workers had one big question for the crowd while delivering a fiery speech at the Democratic convention Monday night.
Which side are you on? UAW President Shawn Fain asked.
He became nationally known for his leadership of strikes at the Big Three automakers last year, which also drew Joe Biden to the picket line making him the first sitting president to join striking workers. As a senator, Harris had also joined a UAW picket line.
Fain said on one side, the Republican ticket nominees are lap dogs for the billionaire class who only serve themselves. While on the other, Fain touted Harris who the UAW has endorsed as a defender for the working class.
She is a a fighter for the working class, and Donald Trump is a scab, Fain said as a chant of Trumps a scab broke out in the convention center.
https://youtu.be/HZ4W9_TMi_c?si=0aEeDRKRdcii7xfy
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08-21-24 18:49 #15312
Care for a Non Denial Denial, anyone? LOL
Man, this is a classic Non Denial "Denial" if ever there was one.
What happened to the word "no"?
Aren't these Target dudes the same ones who got busted for blaming a pro Repub Mainstream Media-hyped "organized retail crime wave" on the closures of some of their most dreadfully mismanaged stores? LOL.
Target CEO addresses 'price gouging' accusations in retail.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/21/targ...ndroidappshare
In a follow-up statement, he added "blah blah blahbidy blah blah. ".Target CEO Brian Cornell said theres no room for price gouging in the competitive retail landscape.
Cornell was asked whether the tactic boosted Targets profits, after Democratic presidential nominee Kamala Harris outlined a plan to stop price gouging.
He spoke to CNBC after Target beat quarterly earnings expectations.
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08-21-24 18:28 #15311
Does a Stein supporter dwell just above or below you in the basement?
Your lord and savior laughs at you and Elvis and considers you "basement dwellers. " So I was just wondering if you'd heard what he thinks of Jill Stein supporters, as quoted in your link. In Trump's mind, are they just above you and Elvis or well below you and Elvis in the basement? Originally Posted by MarquisdeSade1
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Ex-Trump press secretary Stephanie Grisham says he mocked his supporters as 'basement dwellers'.
Grisham disavowed her former boss in a speech at the Democratic convention, where she endorsed Harris. "I love my country more than my party," she said.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...ent-rcna167476
Trump White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham disavowed her former boss Tuesday evening and voiced support for Kamala Harris for president in remarks at the Democratic National Convention in Chicago.
In her brief speech, Grisham said that she used to be not just a Trump supporter but also a "true believer" who became part of Trump's family and spent major holidays with him.
"I saw him when the cameras were off, behind closed doors. Trump mocks his supporters. He calls them basement dwellers," she said.
Grisham shared a few anecdotes about her experience working with Trump, including a story about a hospital visit he made during the Covid pandemic and she said people were dying in the intensive care unit.
"He was mad that the cameras were not watching him. He has no empathy, no morals and no fidelity to the truth," she said. "He used to tell me, 'It doesn't matter what you say, Stephanie say it enough and people will believe you.' But it does matter what you say matters, and what you don't say matters."
Representatives for Trump's campaign did not immediately reply to a request for comment.
Grisham said that on Jan. 6, 2021, she asked first lady Melania Trump whether they could tweet out that while peaceful protest is the right of every American, "there's no place for lawlessness or violence."
"She replied with one word: 'No,'" she said. "I became the first senior staffer to resign that day. I couldn't be part of the insanity any longer."
Grisham said she was criticized when she was press secretary because she never held a White House briefing in that role.
"It's because, unlike my boss, I never wanted to stand at that podium and lie," she said. "Now here I am behind a podium advocating for a Democrat, and that's because I love my country more than my party. Kamala Harris tells the truth. She respects the American people, and she has my vote."
Grisham was Trumps White House communications director and press secretary from July 2019 to April 2020 and went on to be Melania Trumps press secretary and chief of staff.
In an interview on MSNBC after her remarks, Grisham said that if she can reach any undecided voters, she wants to convey that she understands what it's like to believe in Trump. But she praised Democrats for pushing a message of unity and said that people may not agree on policies but that it's important to "talk to each other like humans again."
She said that the Harris campaign has been "brilliant" at communicating that people's freedoms are being taken away that it's not just abortion rights, but also access to birth control.
"I really believe, a lot of people especially Republican women are going to vote for Kamala but maybe not tell their husbands," said Grisham, who called Trump and his running mate, Sen. JD Vance, of Ohio, "short sightedness" and "misogynistic."
Soon after Jan. 6, Grisham distanced herself from Trump world, and she eventually cooperated with the House committee that investigated the insurrection. In October 2021, she said on NBC News' "Meet the Press" that she tried to resign from the White House "a couple of times" but that Melania Trump persuaded her to stay.
In fact, I had a resignation letter written out with some very specific points in it that I was ready to hand over at any moment, she said. Jan. 6, of course, was my breaking point. And I was really proud that I was, well, the first in the administration to resign.
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08-21-24 04:05 #15310
And water is wet
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...working-class/ Originally Posted by EihTooms
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08-20-24 22:50 #15309You mean this David French? Originally Posted by Spidy
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https://www.wral.com/story/david-fre...trum/21410442/
Headline: One party has a serious foreign policy. The other has a tantrum.
Or this one.
The Trump presidency was a catastrophe for American Christianity.
https://www.vox.com/22188646/trump-e...y-david-french
In that article, there is this, We don't need to go into all of the details, but this is a man who evaded military service, who has serially cheated on wives, who is terribly out of shape, is so cowardly in a lot of his personal interactions, that he delegates to others the task of firing people. There's so much that if you were going to map out who is the archetype of the masculine leader prior to Trump, he would be the opposite of that.
No, but what's happening is a lot of Republican Christians are getting catechized in politics through conservative media, through Fox News, through talk radio. As I've told a lot of people, if you had the information inflow that a lot of my neighbors have, French lives in Tennessee, you'the be MAGA also. A lot of it is just a product of information that makes it not that hard to support Trump, if that's your information flow.
End of link. That is all well and good until you saw that two fox news anchors and Trump had it out. In fact, I have not talked to one Republican who has not bristled at how Trump speaks and how they liked his polices but not his personality. IOW, this guy French does not even get why people vote for Trump. It is the same old NYT shit, MAGA people are stupid. Yawn.
Bill Maher got to the MAGA core when he said he talked to Republicans who admitted not being fond of Trump but that Trump was all that stood in the way of leftist insanity. I was all for liberals pushing for racial and sexual equality and then women won the war of the sexes. Who said that?
Bill Maher did 13 years ago in what IMO was his best video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r11Vl0zrrcM.
If women won the war of the sexes, and they did. What next? Well, there was GW Bush a guy who could project feelings and then Trump who was as anti-PC as they came and why? Because DEI is about sexism towards men and racism towards white men. Because LGBTQ is not about sexual equality. It is about demonizing heterosexuals. Hell, 30% of young children in California are LGBTQ. I know from my own life about suppressed homosexuality and trans, but 30%? Get the fuck out of here! I do not need Fox News to tell me that is bullshit.
It is not even MAGA as much as MASA. Make America sane again.
Hell, I watch Kaitlyn Clark and marvel at her supernatural basketball passing and shooting. Ratings hit all time highs with her because she was fun to watch. She had the IT factor.
On the flip side, I watch the Algerian Olympic boxer, and it is disgusting, a guy beating up women. Where is the sport in that? But I needed Fox News to tell me that? Give me a fucking break. All I needed was to watch a bit of the match and to see the guy's photo. If you say I am sexist over that, then YOU have the problem.
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08-20-24 21:58 #15308You mean 5 years ago before Fauci's illegal experiment in China blew up and he became super paranoid and parlayed a virus with a 0. 2% mortality into the plague. Oh yeah, that was Trump's fault for not keeping the "science" team in China to cure the mess "science" created. This is Loony Tooms rewriting history at best. Originally Posted by EihTooms
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I said Kamala's support was an inch deep. She played the game well in the beginning. She showed up on Tik Tok and on youtube looking all fresh and shiny with a soothing, intelligent tone. Guys might even be doing high 5's and bragging they would date her. Of course, the new and different moniker was gong to come down because well, she is the fucking VP. Hell, she is in power right now.
And then the drinking rumors swirled up, and it appears Kamala loves her gin. Some estimated she was drunk over half the time she was in office. That was one I put in the memory banks and then I saw this photo. Not only does she look old. She looks like an old drunk.
Her economic plan was right out of the old USSR. In fact, it was nothing new. It was all taking your tax money and giving it to someone else. Or printing money and devaluing what you had. Yes, let us all pay directly with taxes or indirectly with inflation so Kamala can look good.
So the pretty young thing looks like a old witchy drunk and now you look into her beliefs and even Democrats are going to be scared away as she is way to the left of even them. You can see why Kamala is going down with two photos.
Of course, mixed in with the facts are the feelings. I have to admit that to having those upbeat feelings and buying into the new and different almost child like feeling of the shiny new Kamala. She was the new and improved irrationally pleasing happy meal. But once you taste reality, it is the same crap in new packaging and once the people sense that, it is down goes Kamala.
It was these two photos and new and improved became the same old, same old.
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08-20-24 21:44 #15307
Saving Repub Conservatism from itself...many Repubs are voting for Harris!
So David French, considered a Republican Conservative Liberal, couldn't have wrote a more truer, sensible and calming words, w / are to Republican Conservatives who truly want to "do the right thing" and save the Republican Party from Trump (and themselves).
NYT, David French (OPINION), "To save Conservatism from itself, I am voting for Harris...",Aug. 11, 2024
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/11/o...-abortion.html
- David French: "I believe life begins at conception...I want prospective parents to be able to use I.V.F. to build their families, I do not believe that unused embryos should simply be discarded thrown away as no longer useful."
"But I'm going to vote for Kamala Harris in 2024 and ironically enough I'm doing it in part to try to save conservatism."
Here's what I mean.
"Since the day Donald Trump came down that escalator in 2015, the MAGA movement has been engaged in a long-running, slow-rolling ideological and characterological transformation of the Republican Party. At each step, it has pushed Republicans further and further away from Reaganite conservatism...
"It has divorced Republican voters from any major consideration of character in leadership and all the while it has labeled people who resisted the change as traitors..."
"Its not just Trumps lies that are contagious, but his cruelty as well, and that cruelty is embedding itself deeply within one of Trumps most loyal constituencies, conservative evangelicals. It is difficult to overstate the viciousness and intolerance of MAGA Christians against their political foes. There are many churches and Christian leaders who are now more culturally Trumpian than culturally Christian. Trump is changing the church..."
French goes on to basically say, that he's so disgusted with Trump and his enablers, for letting conservatism lose its way, and he feels voting for Harris, is the way to save it, ...from itself.
Bravo!!! I for one applaud, and do enjoy listening to a good common sense Repub voter (rare as they are) with a spine and backbone, that stands up to the cult of MAGA and wants to bring normalcy back to Conservatism and a Republican Party, lost in the cult of Trump.
David French, long time "Republican Partisan", reborn again Conservative and now voting for the Harris/Walz...Bravo!
- David French: "I believe life begins at conception...I want prospective parents to be able to use I.V.F. to build their families, I do not believe that unused embryos should simply be discarded thrown away as no longer useful."
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08-20-24 21:01 #15306
Technology v Human
I seen a lot of technological development. I own a lab top computer, an iPad, iPad mini, iPhone, and a Fire 11 tablet. Please do not get the idea that I am a technophobe or some old man who can't keep keep up progress of technology. Here are my thoughts:
Technology
Ever try to get a girls phone number when the battery of your cellular phone is dead. Better have a pen or pencil and some paper. LOL! Now there is nothing like scanning the QR code for the phone number exchange in social media. But, back up plans are important.
Crypto currency
No my brother I believe in BTC and the others that a based on their basic formula. LTC, BCH. Everything else is basically unproven junk on which to speculate. The majority of crypto is a huge casino. Does not mean I don't play.
My belief in BTC, has noting to do with the ledger and everything to do with the fact that is of limit supply. It is digital gold. And the fact that it is permission less. I do not have to ask permission to send value to another person 24/07/365 as long as I have a internet connection. That is the power of crypto. Lastly, BTC and others like it are decentralized. China banned crypto mining. Miners picked up an walked. But mining did not completely stop. Because it is almost impossible for a government to stop it. If CBDC gets instituted not only can the government track your money, they can put restrictions on your money, they can take your money, they can put a expiration date on your money.
There are crypto currencies like ETH that have an unlimited supply just like fiat currency. If you want to really understand beyond just a superficial level read the book titled The Bitcoin Standard. Part of the reason this election is so important to me is because democrats are hostile to crypto currency because they realize the power that it takes from the government and gives back to the individual. Unfortunately the republican populace is so DUMB as to run an incompetent pair of racist assholes for the highest office in the land.
Machines
Are black boxes that can be altered, hacked along with being prone to programming errors and backdoors. There is only one type of voting machine I would trust, and that is one with open source code. Currently I use a hardware wallet to store my crypto currency. It is driven by open source code. People way smarted than me can check the code (and do all the time). Prevents errors (more eyes on the code) and malicious actors from adding bad code into the system software. I prefer that over machines run by proprietary code where we have to trust a central authority to maintain our safety.
Humans.
I have a bias towards my fellow man. The US military has a policy. No killing machines. Every machine with the capability of killing a human request a human in the chain of the command that leads to the killing strike.
Democracy requests the same thing. We cannot let our machines decide who our leaders (representatives) are going to be.
Are a sports fan my friend? Can you tell me a sport where you would prefer that machines are the arbiters of the sport? I cannot. But I am biased. I have been a sports officiator. My favorite was baseball umpire. Balls and Strikes are judgment calls. There is a machine that checks up on the umpires not. But in the end it is still a human call. I personally believe that is the way it should be. Human competition decided by human spirt and officiated by humans.
Even video review involves humans taking a "look at the video tape".
We agree on proper instructions. But I still think that votes should be marked by and hand counted. Election service should be like jury service a responsibility of citizenship. If a army of people is needed to count the votes then so be it. There is absolutely no reason that we need immediate results while allowing months before the new government actually takes over. That is some ancient bullshit to me. CEO's take over companies in a day. Change of command ceremonies happen in hours. There is a great scene in Band of Brothers where a office has to be replaced in the middle of an assault that got stalled.
Machines need to be given credit where credit is do. But in mindless reliances on technology is dangerous.
Finally, I want to say I really appreciated your reasoned response and the chance to reply in a equally reasonable fashion. I hope you can take something from my post and even if we agree to disagree then I hope we both had our thoughts patterns stimulated. Originally Posted by CheckMate1
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