American Politics

[Axel Heyst]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxNAdilyqow

Listen to this speech. It's more noble and truer than anything that was said in Chicago.

[EihTooms]

However, my main point was that the market is not a good measure of how a presidency is doing.

I agree that ups and downs in the Stock Market are not saying much if anything positive or negative about how a president is doing his job. For one example, there could be a steep sell-off in the market exactly the same time that a potus is called out on some perceived blunder. But if that sell-off is only due to the Stock Market having hit multiple all-time closing highs and Christmas time is nigh, well, I would say people are simply raking off some profits to go shopping and buy stuff. Nothing negative about it. And not anything to do with that perceived blunder by the potus.

However, the Stock Market being a forward looking entity where investors are betting on better times ahead and the fact that major Bear Market declines almost always accompany notable Recessions, I would say greater Stock Market gains will be in the mix, historically, along with greater jobs creation, greater GDP Growth, fewer or shallower GDP contraction (recessions) and so on.

Therefore, in that way, better Stock Market performance and results are very likely to be an indication that the policy and stewardship at hand is also doing well and avoiding or averting disaster as much as possible.

Are Republicans or Democrats Better for the Stock Market?

https://retirementresearcher.com/are...-stock-market/

From 1926 to 2023, we have had a Republican president for 47 years, and a Democratic president for 51 years. The difference in returns between the parties is pretty stark. The average annual return for the S&P 500 index when we had a Republican President was 9.32%. When we had a Democratic President, the S&P 500 average 14.78% per year. Thats a premium of 5.5% per year on average. To put it mildly, this is a really big difference.

Now, we can look for every nuance and subtlety in those results, Congressional make up, etc as is mentioned in that article as well.

But when you combine that with the 3 X as many jobs created under Dems vs Repubs over the past 100 years, 50 million for Dems to 1 million for Repubs just in the past 35 years (so it is only getting far worse for Repubs over time, not better), that every Depression or Great Recession of the past 100 years started on the Repub potus' watch and often well into his presidency and on and on, it begins to strain credulity to continue to chalk it up to all these extenuating circumstances and that "stuff happens" when extenuating circumstances and stuff happens during Dem potus terms too.

There are simply too many "wild coincidences" and too much "luck" on the side of the Dem potuses and against Repub potuses and for too many decades. Imo, it is long past time we come to the unavoidable conclusion that Dem potuses are making their own good luck while Repub potuses are working very hard to make their own bad luck.

[Spidy]

Ah, yes, Grisham the woman who wrote a Trump tell all book called "I will take your questions now" while never holding press conferences and raking in a $183,000 government salary. Once the gravy train with Trump was over, she saw there was cash to be made stabbing Trump in the back and making peace with Democrats who in 2019 she called "human scum"...

Stabbing someone in the back is a neat trick, I'm sure she learnt it from Trump. As a fellow Repub, I'm surprised you aren't extremely proud of her handy work at "back stabbing another Repub", as Trump has made a political career out of it.

But why on earth would you as the "Paycheck Superhero", deny anyone who wants to make a salary or paycheck, outside of gov't? Doesn't that go against your creed? Once again, you sound like a hypocrite, and not the "Paycheck Superhero", you claim to be!

As for Pritzker and this DEI bullshit, it is not a good time. The bullshit excuses for the Trump assassination from the SS are getting too hard to stomach. The roof was tilted. It was too hot...the head of the SS resigned ... The last SS scandals ....SS agent who fucked a Colombian woman who did not say she was a hooker...SS agency is in trouble and this crazy female SS agent is caught breaking into a salon to use the bathroom...

Ahhh...is all that crazy talk of SS agents and plots unknown, is you giving up on your Repubs?

But fret not, Repubs will be "back stabbing" more than just Trump, it would seem. As Texas will be "back stabbing" voters and "suspending" (aka. illegally purging) 2 million voters from voting lists, and making them drive miles to the state election office, to validate themselves as voters.

Texas 'voter suspense' list climbs past 2 million as election gears up: report
https://www.rawstory.com/news/register-to-vote-texas/

A real threat to our Democracy is...

Trump! Odious Texas voting "suspension" laws!

Spidy, you are so warped by the MSM that you think a political candidate getting shot was good for Democracy. In your fucked up head, isn't that right? Isn't Trump not being president good for Democracy even if he were shot and killed? It was okay that he was shot though because he was so immoral and unethical right? Jesus.

For someone who celebrated this attempted shooting and "wet-your-pants" with the premature celebration of Trump wining in ROEvember, you sure do sound like someone with case of sour grapes! Or is it buyers remorse over a nominated "weirdo" Veep JD Vance, the "Childless Single Woman Cat Ladies" candidate?

What is next Spidy? You believe the hookers saying you got a 12 inch cock?

This time, you sound like yet another Repub, comparing "crowd sizes" with a Dem! (...kkkk!)

FYI, the Repubs has lost that comparison by 2x and 3x the size and by 7+ million viewers on Day #2 of the DNC! (...kkkk!)

PS: For almost several months now, Elvis 2008, hasn't even been able to tell us, what the hell is the Trump/Vance campaign stands for, is running on, or the policies or plans they are looking to put in place to make the lives of Americans better, other than tax-cuts for the billionaires and ["drill, baby drill".

[FFlintstone69]

Tell us EXACTLY what you know about the hiring of a United States Secret Service special agent candidate and the subsequent training the occurs Federal Law Enforcement Training Center AND James J. Rowley Training Center? I will save you the trouble. You don't know a thing about it. You are just talking out the side of your neck. Because if you did you would understand they a candidate for Special Agent of the United States Secret Service must successfully pass through of the training centers. Then a 1 year on-the-job training program. At least two years of an investigative assignment before being accepted into a protective detail.

Who is going to say that the United States Secret Service agents working that day were not qualified? We have those of lesser intelligence (putting diplomatically) that will say that. But they are only showing their bigotry and ignorance as republicans.

https://nypost.com/2024/08/17/us-new...to-breastfeed/

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/secret-...rump-shooting/

https://nypost.com/2024/08/23/us-new...ttempt-fiasco/

https://nypost.com/2024/08/22/us-new...s-source-says/

[CheckMate1]

That's just the price change in the index and ignores dividends and thus is not an accurate measure of return.

However, my main point was that the market is not a good measure of how a presidency is doing.

[SubCmdr]

So the whole concept of white privilege does not affect me because I have around black men and women my whole life!

So far from the truth as to make me laugh In no way would you speak to them IRL the way you speak to me and others up in this thread and others in ISG.

The level of disrespect that you show online would have gotten your head knocked clean off long before now in IRL. Which tell me that you are truly nothing more than a keyboard warrior with strong personal opinions and views with a desire to express them.

[EihTooms]

It sure seems like "All the Best People" the very stable genius Donald Trump knows, hired and appointed to collect a taxpayer-funded paycheck turned out to be "hookers" who quickly figured out he is an idiot, dope and a moron and now refuse to endorse him for, well, for any job that I know of.

But definitely not for a second shot at creating an even worse result of his key economic and national security decisions as president than the Trillions of taxpayers dollars he flushed down the shitter on a counterproductive supposedly economic "stimulus" legislation, Trump's Pandemic and its millions of deaths, business and school closures, millions upon millions of jobs destroyed, the collapse of global supply chains, the inflation and skyrocketing costs of rent, food and gas, the historic spikes in violent crime and illegal border crossings and that violent mob of insurrectionists he led into battle on American Soil in his War Against America and American Democracy based on his Big Lie.

Just a few examples:

'Idiot, Dope, Moron': How Trumps aides have insulted the boss.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...oodward-806455

Full List of Former Donald Trump Officials Refusing to Endorse Him.

https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-f...se-him-1882733

Or maybe most of them are not really "hookers" at all but merely folks telling the truth as they clearly saw, heard and experienced it.

Is a puzzlement.

[Spidy]

So Kamala Harris is the person to vote for who is a good conservative? I just had it out with Viliany when he called himself an economic conservative and yet he endorsed he $10 trillion Covid money printing operation. There is very little difference between borrow and spend Trump and borrow and spend Harris and Biden. Trump can negotiate better deals because he is not burdened by the legacy deals. Biden and Harris cannot cut anything ...

Allow me to debunk the usual Repub poppycock and nonsense on "anything" economic related. Dems have created 50 million jobs since end of the Cold War in 1989. In that same period, Repubs, 1 million. Enuf Said!

Also please see EihTooms' excellent explanation and significance, of this eye watering, jaw dropping, mic-drop and cold hardcore economic FACT, here: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2939183

... yada, yada, yada

...but you have these white suburban housewives who are voting Democrat out of guilt

... yada, yada, yada

Thank you for your FOXY Muse and QAnon/MAGA talking points and those "suburban kitchen table" issues, that are SO NOT top of mind for Americans!

But fear not, Elvis 2008, I'm sure your "suburban kitchen table" issues are well covered in your newly minted Repub "bible", Project 2025.

So let's see how well Americans resonate with your "culture war issues", I mean "suburban kitchen table issues", at the BALLOT-BOX shall we?

[Spidy]

With a steady, 20.2 million viewers on Day #3 at the DNC, compared to 18M viewers on Day #3 of the RNC. BTW, the DNC 21M on Day #2, had 7+ million more viewers than the 14M by the RNC on their Day #2 (if we're measuring or counting crowd sizes...kkkk!).

That 7+ million is eerily close to the number President Joe Biden won the 2020 Election and popular vote with, as a point of interest. Hmmmm...coincidence or perhaps would that be the Obama effect and REAL "presidential" power from a REAL former president.

IMHO, FWIW the outstanding and notable performances, were by:

• House Minority Leader, Hakeem Jeffries
  Opera Winfery
  Maryland Gov., Wes Moore
  Secretary of Transportation, Pete Buttigieg
  Tim Walz

The Best Speech of the Night: Bill Clinton
Former President Bill Clinton - YES, the mind blowing economic fact, that of the 51 million jobs created since end of the Cold War in 1989, Dems have been responsible for creating 50 million of those jobs. President Clinton, tell us he had to fact check this amazing piece of economic data 3x times.

I think, EihTooms, best explains the significance, of this eye watering, jaw dropping, mic-drop and cold hardcore economic FACT, here: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2939183

This economic (gold nugget and gemstone) FACT, will for me at least, FINALLY shut the door, debunk and put to rest the perception, pretense and perceived reality, that any such right-wing, Repub, QAnon\MAGA, Conservative, Republican Libertarian nonsense, about them being better at the economy is nothing more than a myth, trotted out by paid MSM to uphold that myth, as long as paid advertising dollar are flowing into their coffers.

This will be a stark reminder for any Repub or Repub Libertarian, who continues to cling to that myth, that Repubs are better at the economy than Dems.

Day #3 was alright, and a good start for the nomination for the DNC Veep, Tim Walz.

[Huacho]

The actual sentence was Spidy seems to have forgotten the market was down in 2022 and 2023

Except none of the three most watched indices was down in 2023. All those numbers I quoted are from 2023. The stock market was down in 2022 and up in 2023. Repeating bullshit does not stop it from being bullshit.

I get a COVID booster every four months now as recommended, and I get a 10% off grocery coupon for every shot. That's a better return on investment than the stock market in 2022, but not as good of an investment as the stock market in 2023.

[Huacho]

December 31,2021 S&P 4775.21.

December 30,2022 S&P 3829.06 -946.15 or 19.8%.

December 30 2022 S&P 3829.06.

December 28,2023 S&P 4786.44 +957.38 or 25%.

That's just the price change in the index and ignores dividends and thus is not an accurate measure of return.

[Elvis 2008]

Stephanie Grisham - While not a great or really good speech, IMHO, it expounded upon Trump's delusion.

Ah, yes, Grisham the woman who wrote a Trump tell all book called "I will take your questions now" while never holding press conferences and raking in a $183,000 government salary. Once the gravy train with Trump was over, she saw there was cash to be made stabbing Trump in the back and making peace with Democrats who in 2019 she called "human scum".

So she is another Kamala, a hooker who instead of screwing johns screws the public. She will tell you whatever you want to hear if the price is right. You had her talking about morals and empathy? Why? Were Stormy Daniels and Michael Cohen busy? I think Stormy Daniels is a more honest hooker than Kamala or Grisham because those two are taking money from me and the taxpayer.

What is next Spidy? You believe the hookers saying you got a 12 inch cock?

As for Pritzker and this DEI bullshit, it is not a good time. The bullshit excuses for the Trump assassination from the SS are getting too hard to stomach. The roof was tilted. It was too hot. The women who were in charge of security had it handled. When Regan got shot, the head of the SS resigned and I do not recall anyone calling for his head. He just did it. The movie in the line of fire was about a SS agent racked with guilt of a president shot on his watch.

The last SS scandals were some fraternity type person who snuck into a White House function and a handsome SS agent who fucked a Colombian woman who did not say she was a hooker and later demanded $800 in payment which would be like an American woman asking for $10,000. When this woman tried to scam the agent, Dan Bongino went around getting money to placate the woman and keep the agency's name out of trouble.

This is what the current SS does: https://www.facebook.com/reel/1452833418594572.

The SS agency is in trouble and this crazy female SS agent is caught breaking into a salon to use the bathroom.

A real threat to our Democracy is when a lunatic tries to kill a political leader. That is what the SS is supposedly paid to stop. That is their job. What happened with Trump is someone failing at their job.

The previous SS director thought her "job" was to get more women on the federal payroll. Yeah, look at all the jobs we Democrats created. Of course, doing the job is optional as is not being a fucking embarrassment.

Spidy, you are so warped by the MSM that you think a political candidate getting shot was good for Democracy. In your fucked up head, isn't that right? Isn't Trump not being president good for Democracy even if he were shot and killed? It was okay that he was shot though because he was so immoral and unethical right? Jesus.

[Spidy]

Of course, that isn't true. The S & P was up 26.29% in 2023. The Dow was up 13.70%. The NASDAQ was up 49.32%. So maybe you're talking about the market for used up Seeking hookers? Or the market for silver; that market reached its high oh 50 years ago with the Hunt brothers.

Don't mind whatever Elvis 2008, thinks he knows about the markets. Which IMHO, is very little, outside of what the dumbasses on FOXY Muse tell him, or the good folks over at CNBC.

But know this for good measure! That it has been almost four (4) years now, that Elvis 2008, has been droning on, about how the markets, the economy, the job numbers, all are going into a recession type crush and how "the economy has been performing so badly, even worse than when Trump was...blah, blah, blah". Just parroting the latest MAGA economic nonsense, talking points.

All no doubt, because that has been the utter crap that was coming out of Trump, then pickup by right-wing MSM and regurgitated by the MAGA cult (and sometimes often the other way around). And we now all know, that when Trump says:

• "It doesn't matter what you say, [Stephanie or insert whatever Trump ex-advisor you want], say it enough and people will believe you."

As I've told Elvis 2008, before:

"Even the sun shines up a dog's ass some days". But in YOUR case, you've been calling for a market crash and economic recession, for almost the last 4 years now. And you've been WRONG every time!

So the sun hasn't exactly shone much up your ass for four years. But I'm sure, if you say it long enough and often enough...that sun will surely shine some day! (....kkkk!)

For almost several months now, Elvis 2008, hasn't even been able to tell us, what the hell is the Trump/Vance campaign stands for, is running on, or the policies or plans they are looking to put in place to make the lives of Americans better, other than tax-cuts for the billionaires and "drill, baby drill".

[Spidy]

With a stunning, 21 million viewers on Day #2 at the DNC, Dems delivered unwavering blow after unwavering blow against Trump and at times without even so much as calling his name. The Obama's delivered two of the all-time great speeches and some stay should even be studied.

IMHO, FWIW the outstanding and notable performances or zingers, were by:

> DJ Cassidy Spins & Performance by Lil' Jon - The DNC Roll Call was truly spectacular, uplifting and joyous, as the individual pieces of music accompanying the 50 states on Roll Call was wonderfully tailored to suit the personalities of each states. (And even better knowing the music that Trump wanted to use, the musicians barred him from using. Even the Rappers, like 50 Cent, told Trump, NO THANKS!)

> Stephanie Grisham - While not a great or really good speech, IMHO, it expounded upon Trump's delusion, that he thinks his "Jedi mind trick" is working.

• Grisham says:"He has no empathy, no morals and no fidelity to the Truth. He used to tell me, 'It doesn't matter what you say, Stephanie, say it enough and people will believe you.'"
  
  I love this quote from her, because it dovetails nicely into the proof positive narrative, found in the recent posts here, w/r to the books and videos on "Ministry of Truth", which shows details his lack of respect for anyone (let alone his supporters) and poignantly reveals the "House of Lies Trump Built".
  
  {See EihTooms' post here, http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2939033, for full coverage}

> Governor of Illinois, JB Pritzker: Had some good zingers. He repeated comments made by Democrats, calling Trump and other Republicans "weird" over their rhetoric and actions. This was probably the best zingers outside of Michelle Obama's speech.

• JB Pritzer said: "Let's be clear, it's not 'woke' that limits economic growth, it's 'weird...'"
  
  Pritzker, then took the sentiment further by delivering his next line with such zest and zeal, not it just shattered (IMHO) those who cry foul, by citing DEI instances when Black or brown-skinned Americans are "derided as a DEI hire for the sin of being successful while not white." ---Just Brilliant!

> Barack Obama - He was right, when he said, I Am the Only Person Stupid Enough to Speak After Michelle Obama, while his speech was great, I think Michelle's was just that much better.

The Best Speech of the Night (must see video): Michelle Obama

> Michelle Obama - Great Speech and one of the all-time best, IMHO (even better than her husband's). I won't be able to do it justice, so go watch it for yourselves. Many pundits say, that speech should be studied. She systematically dismantled Trump without ever having to say his name! Genius! Brilliant! Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z832P-efBaM

Highlights of best of Michelle Obama's Speech:

• --Her use of the word "sacrifice", throughout parts of her speech was epic. Again something Trump knows very little about.
  --Her ode and tribute to her mother's work ethic and teachings of don't just sit there "do something" were both tearfully moving and joyful.
  --Her mother's WE gotta "do something" stories began a long chant and crowd ruckus of "Do Something, Do Something...."
  --Her quip about "Hope is making a Comeback!" got a big eruption and applause from the crowd.
  
  BEST of the BEST:
  --All while never saying his name: "...most of us will never afford the grace of failing forward or we will never benefit from the affirmative action of generational wealth, if we bankrupt a business or choke in a business, we don't get a 2nd, 3rd or 4th chance. If things don't go our way, We don't have the luxury of whining, or cheating others, to get further ahead...NO! We don't get to change the rules, so we always win. And if we see a mountain in front of us, we don't expect their to be an escalator to take us to the top...NO!, we put our heads down and get to work!"
  
  ---Her best was this line, "...wait, wait...I wanna know, whose gonna tell him, that job he's currently seeking, might just be one of those Black jobs". Again, total crowd eruption and standing ovation. It was hilarious, poignant, politically funny and hit the target on some many levels, w/r to several gut-punches to Trump, reference to his racist NABJ interview comments.

Day #2 is gonna be hard to top!

[Elvis 2008]

French's conclusions about "voting for Harris", while trying to save Conservatism from itself and Bill Maher's CURRENT views on who is the better candidate for the presidency, the White House and to governing America for is spot on, in the belief that Veep Harris is better for the country and as it so happens Conservatism.

So Kamala Harris is the person to vote for who is a good conservative? I just had it out with Viliany when he called himself an economic conservative and yet he endorsed he $10 trillion Covid money printing operation. There is very little difference between borrow and spend Trump and borrow and spend Harris and Biden. Trump can negotiate better deals because he is not burdened by the legacy deals. Biden and Harris cannot cut anything.

Point being, good COMMON SENSE people, despite their religious, socio-economic or political differences, can change their views, when their beloved affiliations, organizations or country are clearly facing an existential crisis, in Trump.

And this is why you are a follower Spidy. A week ago, you said no one really knows what Trump's positions are and now he is going to end the world as we know it. The reason this came up is the only reason you are voting for Harris is she has Democrat after her name. So now you know what Kamala Harris stands for? How? She has not given one interview or held one press conference about what she is going to do.

You are not using common sense. You are an authority humper repeating what the MSM tells you.

That, from the "war of the sexes", the "war on the LGBTQ community", the "war on DEI", the "war on white men", the "war on purple dinosaurs (my fav.)" and all the other culture wars, those on the extreme right, love to beat their chests over everyday...I'd thought it was pretty obvious, that by now:

If you are 75% white on your birth certificate and your relatives owned slaves, what does it even mean when you call yourself black? How can there be a war on the sexes when you cannot even decide what a woman is? The fact is the party that used to be against prejudice and sexism is now prejudice and sexist against white men. Race based shaming is racism. Sex based shaming is sexism. In fact, for those of us with working brains, we know shame can be used to deflect from the faults of others. If you hire on race or sex versus competence, you are going to pay the price.

So the whole concept of white privilege does not affect me because I have around black men and women my whole life, but you have these white suburban housewives who are voting Democrat out of guilt. And they need to atone for freaking out when a person of color moved into their neighborhood or viewing blacks as subhumans to be feared. And the one thing that guilt ridden white suburban housewives and the minorities can agree on is that everything is the fault of the white man. Give me a fucking break!