Stupid Shit in Tijuana

[BrotherMouzone]

Did she mention the penalty if those 100 drinks wasn't met?

I messaged her earlier tonight about if there was a penalty after seeing your question and her exact response was "No se. No creo." ("I don't know. I don't think so. ").

[RexRiver]

Been curious like most of the guys on here about whether or not the girls have a quota. 20 in a day / shift seems impossible. The girls would either spend half their time in the restroom or most of the shift flat ass drunk. As one other mentioned, how do you reconcile those girls standing around or not hustling the fichas. Maybe the quota is a tactic that the club uses to circumvent the prohibition of pimping. The girl doesn't reach her quota, she owes HK a certain fee, which she would naturally have to pay out of her own monies earned going arriba.

On an aside, I had a Sugar Baby several years back that briefly worked in a strip club in Colorado. She had to pay a fee to work there. She didn't last long, said she didn't get enough in tips to justify the cost of working there. Not sure is this is a standard practice in the USA, much less in the Zona.

You gave a reasonable answer. You're coming around, old-timer keep it up. I appreciate that and so now I will give you a response.

When I say "forcing," I'm referring to setting quotas.

You mentioned, ". Tricks by girls in order to make more money without drinking too much. " Think about what you wrote. According to your earlier argument, if there are no quotas, the girls wouldn't need to drink to make money, yet they do, and they receive cards confirming their sales.

The fichas are the club's bread and butter, which makes the horrible quotas makes sense. I was shocked when a girl told me she was expected to sell 20 bottles in a day, and because she doesn't drink, she ends up paying for the drinks out of the "arriba" money she earns. Seemed exaggerated at the time but I accepted there is some truth to it.

I really hope you're right though. I'the like to believe the girls are encouraged rather than forced to sell the drinks, because I want to interact with them without any added pressure. This is why this issue matters to me. My main enjoyment in the zona comes from connecting with the girls at a true fun vibe and I love to feel that feminine energy close to me when it is fun and positive. If they're under pressure from the club, on top of what they're already dealing with, it's hard to find someone who's truly relaxed and fun to be with.

When I was there three weeks ago on a Thursday night, the girls seemed tense to me, and I attributed that to the pressure of meeting quotas.

Anyway we are beating a dead horse keeping at this subject. This will be my lost post about it. Cheers.

[Zenduka1]

The incentive is the girls make money from the drinks. Of course the bar wants them to sell a certain amount but they aren't fined or forced to pay if they don't.

Pouring the beer out is one of the oldest tricks by girls in order to make more money without drinking too much. Also they often work with waiters to have their drink taken before it's empty so you buy another drink. None of this information is new if you go back and read this forum.

You gave a reasonable answer. You're coming around, old-timer keep it up. I appreciate that and so now I will give you a response.

When I say "forcing," I'm referring to setting quotas.

You mentioned, ". Tricks by girls in order to make more money without drinking too much. " Think about what you wrote. According to your earlier argument, if there are no quotas, the girls wouldn't need to drink to make money, yet they do, and they receive cards confirming their sales.

The fichas are the club's bread and butter, which makes the horrible quotas makes sense. I was shocked when a girl told me she was expected to sell 20 bottles in a day, and because she doesn't drink, she ends up paying for the drinks out of the "arriba" money she earns. Seemed exaggerated at the time but I accepted there is some truth to it.

I really hope you're right though. I'the like to believe the girls are encouraged rather than forced to sell the drinks, because I want to interact with them without any added pressure. This is why this issue matters to me. My main enjoyment in the zona comes from connecting with the girls at a true fun vibe and I love to feel that feminine energy close to me when it is fun and positive. If they're under pressure from the club, on top of what they're already dealing with, it's hard to find someone who's truly relaxed and fun to be with.

When I was there three weeks ago on a Thursday night, the girls seemed tense to me, and I attributed that to the pressure of meeting quotas.

Anyway we are beating a dead horse keeping at this subject. This will be my lost post about it. Cheers.

[Zenduka1]

"Ficha" not "fecha. " Ficha is the Spanish word for card (like maybe an index card, not a credit card which is usually tarjeta), or maybe token. Because they receive a "ficha" when the drink is sold.

A "fecha" is a date, as in calendar.

Ok, got it. Thanks. Seen it written both ways and Fetcha, Ficca, and all other sorts.

[Phordphan]

I don't know what the truth is with regards to quotas but I did ask two of my regular chicas about this yesterday given the discussion here. The first, who works at HK and who I trust the most, said the following (verbatim):

"Si cada semana deben ser 100 bebidas. Pero no todas cumplen con eso <laughing while crying tears emoji > . La mayoria no. ".

So she's saying that every week there's a quota of 100 drinks but most of the chicas don't comply with / meet that quota. I commented that that's a lot of drinks, that I was asking mainly because I've heard some other dudes say that girls who claim there is a quota are lying, and that it was odd that she rarely asks me to buy her drinks given the high quota. Her response was simply: "Es que yo si hago mis bebidas*babe. " So basically saying she doesn't need me to buy her drinks because she regularly sells enough drinks.

Did she mention the penalty if those 100 drinks wasn't met?

[Phordphan]

I think the fechas are where they make money the most. I have seen buckets on a table where each would cost $120 or so. 3 girls at a table, 3 buckets of fechas, for example. That is $360 in say 2 hours plus the normal booze guys buy for themselves. Not sure about the Meseros fees but the girls would have to be forced to sell those drinks.

"Ficha" not "fecha. " Ficha is the Spanish word for card (like maybe an index card, not a credit card which is usually tarjeta), or maybe token. Because they receive a "ficha" when the drink is sold.

A "fecha" is a date, as in calendar.

[Sol12]

My point is, if there weren't quotas or incentives pushing the girls to sell them, I doubt they would even touch those drinks. Most of the girls actually dislike them in fact, I've seen some pour the contents into the ice bucket just so the mesero would open another bottle.

The incentive is the girls make money from the drinks. Of course the bar wants them to sell a certain amount but they aren't fined or forced to pay if they don't.

Pouring the beer out is one of the oldest tricks by girls in order to make more money without drinking too much. Also they often work with waiters to have their drink taken before it's empty so you buy another drink. None of this information is new if you go back and read this forum.

[Sol12]

I think the fechas are where they make money the most. I have seen buckets on a table where each would cost $120 or so. 3 girls at a table, 3 buckets of fechas, for example. That is $360 in say 2 hours plus the normal booze guys buy for themselves. Not sure about the Meseros fees but the girls would have to be forced to sell those drinks.

Congratulations! It's only taken you a supposedly 10 years to figure out what most guys realize on the first trip.

Now it will probably take you another 10 to realize that the girls don't pay to work there.

[Zenduka1]

Anything that they would squeeze out of the meseros and the bargirls is tiny compared to their income stream from drinks and the hotels.

I think the fechas are where they make money the most. I have seen buckets on a table where each would cost $120 or so. 3 girls at a table, 3 buckets of fechas, for example. That is $360 in say 2 hours plus the normal booze guys buy for themselves. Not sure about the Meseros fees but the girls would have to be forced to sell those drinks.

[BrotherMouzone]

I don't know what the truth is with regards to quotas but I did ask two of my regular chicas about this yesterday given the discussion here. The first, who works at HK and who I trust the most, said the following (verbatim):

"Si cada semana deben ser 100 bebidas. Pero no todas cumplen con eso <laughing while crying tears emoji > . La mayoria no. ".

So she's saying that every week there's a quota of 100 drinks but most of the chicas don't comply with / meet that quota. I commented that that's a lot of drinks, that I was asking mainly because I've heard some other dudes say that girls who claim there is a quota are lying, and that it was odd that she rarely asks me to buy her drinks given the high quota. Her response was simply: "Es que yo si hago mis bebidas*babe. " So basically saying she doesn't need me to buy her drinks because she regularly sells enough drinks.

So you can take that response for whatever you think it's worth. I'll say that this particular chica basically never asks me to buy her drinks and there've even been multiple times I've offered to buy her some drinks and she declines, preferring just to spend time in my room instead. So don't know that she has a reason to lie to me given that I don't buy her drinks anyway but again you can take her answer for whatever you think it's worth.

Also asked another, older chica who used to be one of my regulars at Adelitas, working there for around 15 years. Her response was: "Siempre hay una cuota para las cuchas posible que que son 120 fichas por semana. ".

I think she's saying there's always a quota for older women like her, possibly as much as 120 drinks a week. She hasn't worked in the clubs for well over a year, makes her money meeting regular clientele outside the clubs and meeting guys at local casinos, so don't know that she'd have a reason to lie about the quotas either given that she's no longer in the clubs trying to sell drinks. But you can take that response however you want to take it.

My thought is maybe there is a "soft" quota that has the potential to be more strictly enforced depending on the girl (eg, girls with low sales or disciplinary issues are more strictly enforced). But that's just me speculating.

The only one I ever heard of that made any sense was when one told me they had to have a certain number of ficha sales before being allowed to go upstairs. That was a long time ago and, as with all the other stories, I had no way to verify the truth.

Yes, I've heard the same when I asked two different chicas to come up to my room at HK a couple years or so ago. One girl who worked at Adelitas said she'd prefer just to come up to my room at HK rather than me take her arriba at Adelitas because Adelitas at the time said she had to sell 15 drinks (which was a sharp increase from whatever the quota was previously) before she could take a customer arriba. So she wanted to just come to my room at HK before she went to work so she could make money without dealing with the quota. That saved me money also as I didn't have to buy her any drinks.

The other chica worked at HK and I asked her to come to my room before her shift. She told me she wasn't allowed to do that since she worked at HK, that she had to sell 10 drinks before she was allowed to come up to my room.

[Zenduka1]

How does HK make money? They sell beers that wholesale for maybe 25 cents and sell them for $6. They sell pony beers that, from what I have been told by people who work there, are free promotional items, for $13 or whatever the going rate is. Add in liquor sales and that silly wine thing and you have a shitton of money rolling in. Of course, there may be gravy, we don't know. Forcing meseros to pay per day to work? Can't hurt, right? (Assuming it's true). And, technically, the hotel is a separate entity, but we know it's not. $40 for 40 minutes, or whatever they're charging now? Yuge income stream.

"They sell beers that wholesale for maybe 25 cents and sell them for $6. They sell pony beers that, from what I have been told by people who work there, are free promotional items, for $13 or whatever the going rate is. ".

This is the main point, isn't it? It's obvious that HK makes their money by selling drinks at highly inflated prices. The real profit, though, comes from those buckets of "fechas" they sell. Those tiny bottles, called "fechas," cost them almost nothing, yet they're selling them for $12 these days. My point is, if there weren't quotas or incentives pushing the girls to sell them, I doubt they would even touch those drinks. Most of the girls actually dislike them—in fact, I've seen some pour the contents into the ice bucket just so the mesero would open another bottle.

As you mentioned, management is fully aware when a girl sells a drink. Her time "arriba" is limited and monitored, ensuring she returns to the club floor as quickly as possible.

In summary, my perspective is that HK and similar clubs make their money in two ways: first, by enticing gringos with the girls so they spend exorbitant amounts on alcohol; second, by pushing or incentivizing the girls with quotas to sell those fechas, where the real profit lies.

[Phordphan]

Anyone has specific answers excluding the blubber we got below? I am curious. It is important to know because the girls and meseros are always saying they are under pressure to pay HK to work there via fechas or other ways, hence extracting more money out of you.

Truth be told, I don't trust what the girls and meseros tell me, nor do I accept the occasional over the top fallacy I read on forums like some posts below.

Love to engage with calm reasonable posters, not delirious ones.

I have heard many different stories from the girls. Personally, I think, being Mexico, that it's a YMMV thing. If management doesn't like a girl, they can impose some kind of quota. If she's a relative, or GF of the manager, or whatever, then she can get away with murder. And all variations in between. The only one I ever heard of that made any sense was when one told me they had to have a certain number of ficha sales before being allowed to go upstairs. That was a long time ago and, as with all the other stories, I had no way to verify the truth.

What I DO know is that they know when the girl sells a ficha. They know what waiter took the order. They know how many each girl sells in a given period. They know when the girl leaves the place, when she checks into the hotel, when she checks out of the hotel, and when she checks back into the club.

Knowing human nature in general, they are NOT collecting all of this information because they are bored and have nothing else to do. So, is it logical to assume they have some kind of quota system, or whatever name you'd like to give it? Yes, it is. Do they? I have no idea.

How does HK make money? They sell beers that wholesale for maybe 25 cents and sell them for $6. They sell pony beers that, from what I have been told by people who work there, are free promotional items, for $13 or whatever the going rate is. Add in liquor sales and that silly wine thing and you have a shitton of money rolling in. Of course, there may be gravy, we don't know. Forcing meseros to pay per day to work? Can't hurt, right? (Assuming it's true). And, technically, the hotel is a separate entity, but we know it's not. $40 for 40 minutes, or whatever they're charging now? Yuge income stream.

This is the way. Buy your product low, sell for astronomical prices, and keep your labor costs to a minimum. We know gringos will pay any price, and tolerate any abuse, if you dangle pussy in front of them. HK understands this, and this is why they make money.

[AgaveBoy]

Anyone has specific answers excluding the blubber we got below? I am curious. It is important to know because the girls and meseros are always saying they are under pressure to pay HK to work there via fechas or other ways, hence extracting more money out of you.

Truth be told, I don't trust what the girls and meseros tell me, nor do I accept the occasional over the top fallacy I read on forums like some posts below.

Love to engage with calm reasonable posters, not delirious ones.

This is a silly thread. Invest in a calculator.

Wholesale cost of beer in MX is about US $1. 50 a liter, which means a little over 50 cents for a 12 ounce bottle. HK charges you $6 for that bottle. Non-alcoholic drinks cost them even less. Check out HK sometime in the morning when they're exchanging empties for a fresh supply and see how many bottles are involved.

Next, think about how much they make from the rooms in Cascadas and Rizo. This stuff isn't hard to figure out.

Anything that they would squeeze out of the meseros and the bargirls is tiny compared to their income stream from drinks and the hotels.

[Huacho]

Anyone has specific answers excluding the blubber we got below? I am curious. It is important to know because the girls and meseros are always saying they are under pressure to pay HK to work there via fechas or other ways, hence extracting more money out of you.

Truth be told, I don't trust what the girls and meseros tell me, nor do I accept the occasional over the top fallacy I read on forums like some posts below.

Love to engage with calm reasonable posters, not delirious ones.

Bars make money by selling beer for more than they paid for it.

[Zenduka1]

LOL. I am still waiting to read how HK make their money without quotas de las fechas.

Anyone has specific answers excluding the blubber we got below? I am curious. It is important to know because the girls and meseros are always saying they are under pressure to pay HK to work there via fechas or other ways, hence extracting more money out of you.

Truth be told, I don't trust what the girls and meseros tell me, nor do I accept the occasional over the top fallacy I read on forums like some posts below.

Love to engage with calm reasonable posters, not delirious ones.