American Politics

[RamDavidson84]

You make a fair point about not reducing the struggle for equality and comparing the race card, when used inappropriately, and the and word. I can see where you are coming from. I will say this. It's a really dirty move to publicly call some one a racist when it is not deserved and just used to win an argument. Not the same as what I stated before, but it is still a painful traumatic experience which one will never forget. Sorry, I am unfamiliar with McCarthy and Wallace. I know of McCarthyism and the red scare of the 1950's but don't know much of the individual or the exact point you are making.

My thoughts on Trump for the longest time were I would prefer any other Republican candidate, but I strongly supported most of his policy. He had moments of extreme failure to say the least. The Unite the Right rally was a disgrace and I just can't explain how he didn't denounce everything associated with that event sooner. Same thing with Jan. 6. As for his dinner with Fuentes, I believe Kanye West was there as well and it is without a doubt one of the strangest things I have ever heard and I can see where your coming from and your concern is valid. Had Biden even been just half way competent, I would be more inclined to with hold my vote as I did in 2016. Biden was just so bad even after Trump had those moments, I was still going to vote for him because I believed his economic policies would make up for his lack of action in those critical moments of failure I spoke of earlier.

After his assassination attempt and seeing him in that moment stop the secret service and put his fist in the air, I think that really convinced me what he is fighting for. I really think he is on a quest of personal redemption and he wants to leave behind a legacy of success as President. Not just for Republicans, but all Americans. If he does what he says he is going to do, I really think American will be much better off. When I see Trump, I see a guy who had it all. Money, power, women, respect. He had anything he wanted whenever he wanted it and brought to him on a silver platter. The last eight years have been absolute hell for him. It has been scandal after scandal, his family has been slandered and their reputations damaged. Impeached twice and now a convicted felon. He has lost millions and millions of dollars, and yet he is still here eight years later and still fighting. Look, its no secret at this point I support him and I do see him as kind of a anti-hero underdog who is fighting for the right reasons.

As for the QNON and Proud boys and Incels. I just don't see them as significant. Maybe they make up. 01 percent of the Republican Party. I am sure there are a few thousand morons with personality disorders or just plain psychopaths who form those groups. But your always going to have a certain percentage of the population who are extremists no matter what group of people you single out. Just as you don't see "Defund the Police" as being a significant part of the Democratic Party. I could be wrong, I just don't see any of the Republican extreme right in my everyday life. I have never heard of anyone in the real world belonging to any of those groups.

As for the media. My god they are so biased. Fox News isn't biased LOL? CNN? Stephen Colbert? Tucker Carlson? ABC? MSNBC? They are absolutely shamelessly and unapologetically biased to a degree it's comical and frightening at the same time. I challenge you to give me "THREE UNBIASED MAINSTREAM MEDIA SOURCES" That being said, of course science, academia, statistics, and surveys are all absolutely of paramount importance. I am just saying, here in this forum and in everyday water cooler discussions where anyone can pull up what ever study they want to prove the point they are arguing, I trust the opinions of people I respect who over a long period of time have displayed unbiased wisdom and sound judgement. You have to look beyond stats and try to understand the true motives for the politicians. Usually, it is to remain in office and in power. The true motive for the campaign donors. Usually for them, in some way it is to gain the support of politicians who can pass laws or agendas or support social movements which will benefit the campaign donors financially. They you must understand how all these convergent ideas, legislation, and agendas mesh together to form the core of a political party.

Who is donating money and what do they have to gain? Why do certain industries support certain political parties? What groups of people benefit if a particular piece of legislation is passed and who is pushing the agenda? Those are the real questions you have to understand when determining political issues. Analyze stats all day, but you need to think deeper to get the highest level of understanding.

Trust me, I am the furthest thing from a sheep who follows the guy who says shit that just makes me feel good in the moment. Not brainwashed or indoctrinated either LOL.

[SubCmdr]

I have a friend visiting me in Thailand who told me he thinks this may be the year the cold civil war in the United States of America may turn hot. We will see.

[EihTooms]

Be careful you are going to show everyone how dumb Tooms and Spidy are. If I hired anyone in Texas at any time in 12 of the last 16 years except for when Trump was president, it did not matter if Texas was red, or the county was Republican, or the city was Republican. It did not matter if I hired the person or the person dud the work and got the training to do the job.

Nope, the ONLY thing that mattered was who was president when I hired them. I did not create a job. Obama and Biden did! Can you believe how dumb these two are?

But yes, Dems are great at creating worthless government jobs. Hell, we saw what happened when Musk took over Twitter and fired 80% of the staff, and nothing changed. In fact, Twitter got better.

If you can fire 80% of Twitter and not see any difference, can you imagine what would happen if Elon Musk took that same approach with the Federal government? He could probably cut 90% of the jobs and we would not notice anything.

But jobs, even jobs that are not necessary and people who screw up their jobs, in Tooms and Spidy's eyes are good. Job creating is good and therefore Democrats are responsible for it.

I wish there were accurate figures for jobs creation vs jobs lost, the unemployment rate in pre-FDR rural America areas and so on. If there were, I have little doubt they would show that Republican presidential economic policies and stewardship have not created 1 net gain job since 1860. Repubs might even be in deep negative job creation territory since the inception of the Party.

The Repub presidents' policies and stewardship results, overall, could not possibly have been any better in the 60 years prior to 1925 than they have been in the 100 years since 1925. How could they be? Why would they be? The one lone Repub "job-creating Star" in history, Calvin Coolidge, wasn't even curious to find out just how desperately poor and jobless the American people were outside of his tuxedo and ball gown-wearing elites in the biggest cities.

Just a passing thought.

[CheckMate1]

When the economy is not top of mind for voters, but instead, women rights, abortion rights and other social issues are supplanted as the #1 issues and policies Americas want to address, it that impending doom for Repubs?
Let's hope it does become contagious...all the way to ROEvember!!!

Infrastructure bill was signed into law Nov. 15,2021. Economy doesn't just turn around on a dime. That's simpleton thinking that a law is somehow how magic and will work overnight. Most social laws take about a year to begin and effect of the law, case in point FL HB 7/ SB 300 was passed April 13,2023. Most economic laws are about 2-3 years before it shows up in real america. So an unforced error on FL to get this right into election of 2024 and a relatively quick turnaround of an economic law passed give you this situation in FL where I still believe can go for the DEMs.

Intentional political timing is something I am not a fan of because it leads to complacency and incompetency, never good for a country.

[Spidy]

When the economy is not top of mind for voters, but instead, women rights, abortion rights and other social issues are supplanted as the #1 issues and policies Americas want to address, it that impending doom for Repubs?

More Voters, Especially Women, Now Say Abortion Is Their Top Issue
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/31/u...mp-harris.html

And:

A louder voice in fighting abortion bans: Men in red states

"More men are speaking out in defense of reproductive rights because of harrowing experiences that wives or partners have suffered when a pregnancy went awry."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...scarriage-men/

For those ISG conspiracists on "Soy Boy" watch, it appears there's been a good crop this year, of "soy" in red states.

Could be contagious, though? So ISG conspiracists, misogynists and He-Men, might wanna consider getting your "Anti-Soy Boy" vaccine shots! Oh right vaccines aren't your thing! (....kkkk!)

Let's hope it does become contagious...all the way to ROEvember!!!

[Spidy]

Excellent, well-written post. The only thing substantive I'd disagree with is Trump's 2nd impeachment. He deserved it, and should have been convicted by the Senate. But yes, the lawsuits and prosecutions in New York were shams. He lost because the cases were tried in Manhattan, and people in Manhattan hate him. The part about societal design and a true perfect utopia is satire, right?

Good you didn't fall for Spidy's request for data and info. He would have just figured out a way to ignore it.

Ahhh YES, that "well written" and rousing unfounded opinion piece, essentially all about, "The opinion that, there are NO FACTS, NO DATA, NO INFO, just opinions and only opinions...", was most definitely a treat of gobbledygook and gish gallop, the likes of which would put some well known ISG conspiracists to shame.

However, to the untrained eye and the uninitiated, the rant, did manage to provided the perfect "hook and bait" invitation, to those who would be gullible enough to follow, RamDavidson 84 down his own fictional "NO Facts, NO DATA...ONLY Opinions" rabbit hole.

And as it so happens, I was watching to see who'd take the bait. Well imagine my surprise, we have a winner! I guess congratulations are in order, Tiny 12?

But now that I think about it, it does rather explain a lot, since you are, overly fond of the "world of political hypotheticals and conjecture"?

And BTW, he may not of fallen, for my so called "okey doke", when I simply asked RamDavidson 84, to provide FACTS/LINKS to substantiate his "opinions", but dare I say, you certainly did fall for his "okey doke" (...kkkk!)

Should be quite the ride, down...enjoy!

[Elvis 2008]

Good luck having the federal government run a program like Portugal's. It fucks up everything it touches.

As to Governor Abbott, now who's off topic. I strongly disagree with some of his preferred social policies. Whatever he's doing with voter rolls probably will work to the benefit of Democrats. Because of Trump they're more motivated to do what they need to do to go to the polls, like register to vote. I don't really know what's in the article though. Using your reasoning, because it has nothing to do with drugs, I didn't read it. And I detest Paxton. If I were still able to vote in Texas come November, I'd vote for a Democrat over Paxton, although there would probably be a Libertarian running so I wouldn't have to.

That said, I lived in a Texas county where the majority of the population was Hispanic, that voted overwhelmingly for Republicans, including the Hispanic mayor. And local and state government worked where I lived. We got value for the taxes we paid. My community and state, run by Republicans, spent our money wisely, instead of flushing a large part of it down the toilet like the bozos in Washington.

Be careful you are going to show everyone how dumb Tooms and Spidy are. If I hired anyone in Texas at any time in 12 of the last 16 years except for when Trump was president, it did not matter if Texas was red, or the county was Republican, or the city was Republican. It did not matter if I hired the person or the person dud the work and got the training to do the job.

Nope, the ONLY thing that mattered was who was president when I hired them. I did not create a job. Obama and Biden did! Can you believe how dumb these two are?

But yes, Dems are great at creating worthless government jobs. Hell, we saw what happened when Musk took over Twitter and fired 80% of the staff, and nothing changed. In fact, Twitter got better.

If you can fire 80% of Twitter and not see any difference, can you imagine what would happen if Elon Musk took that same approach with the Federal government? He could probably cut 90% of the jobs and we would not notice anything.

But jobs, even jobs that are not necessary and people who screw up their jobs, in Tooms and Spidy's eyes are good. Job creating is good and therefore Democrats are responsible for it.

[Spidy]

Where did I write anything about states rights?

Arrh Here:

The solution lies at the state and local level. Communities and states, not the Feds, can change drug laws, and push counseling, rehabilitation and jobs programs for addicts...

If drug decriminalization isn't handled by the Febs, and YOU say "the solution lies at the state..." level, then if that's not state's rights, then what is it?

Good luck having the federal government run a program like Portugal's. It fucks up everything it touches.

The leftist Feds in Portugal say otherwise, proving once again, societies around the world are generally better ran by center left or left liberals democratic parties.

Face it, the gullible Repubs have essentially turned into muppets. So just like Trump, under Trumps influence, everything they touch...turns to shit! Ergo, can't be TRUSTED!

As to Governor Abbott, now who's off topic. I strongly disagree with some of his preferred social policies. Whatever he's doing with voter rolls probably will work to the benefit of Democrats

In case you missed it, Gov. Abbott, is just the latest case of grade A assholes exerting fascist rule, that the Repubs have descended into, trying desperately to hang onto power. The hubris of Gov. Abbott doing anything to benefit Dems, is very comical to say the least. With that kinda help, who needs enemies. (...kkkk!)

Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton raids Latino Democrats' homes, including those of LULAC members, Aug 26, 2024. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-a...s-lulac-homes/

So when did kicking down the doors and harassing American citizens and state residents become social polices. I hate to see his anti-social policies! (...kkkk!)

I wouldn't trust Repubs to judge, grade or be trustworthy enough to implement a 4th Grade finger painting contest. But sure enough Americans will undoubtedly, tell Repubs, just what they think of them come ROEvember.

PS: Keep in mind TEXAS is just a blue state, temporarily posing as a red one, with a thinly cloaked red wrapper with noticeable cracks forming. Maybe just a matter of time before it turns blue!

[Tiny 12]

You tell me, is it an oxymoron? And Yeah, I know what I wrote!

As far as oxymorons go, your post suggesting Repubs and their "state's rights" (when convenient), is the "solution" IS DEFINITELY an oxymoron.

I see very little evidence of the notion, that Repubs and ruby red states, would serve and protect the rights of ALL Americans, residing in their state, equally and with out prejudices, if left to their own devices, is folly and a large amount of hubris.

Yeah, you should have led with this in your first reply to my post. Perhaps then, your post would have contextually made sense.

But I think you'd be wrong. Long story short, as I alluded to in my initial post on the subject, basically Repubs can't be trusted to carry out and do the right thing for ALL American residents, living in their state. Their "culture war" politics are too divisive and not inclusive.

Just look at voting rights, LGBTQ rights, abortion, Mifepristone, IVF and book (dictionary) bans are great examples of Repubs and red states, having no intention of keeping these issues, as only "state rights" issues or applying them equally to their constituency. I am in favor of an top down approach, to ensure consistent uniformity in basic decriminalization rights, every American would have no matter the state.

And NOT like the voting system, that is a disastrous, hodgepodge of "state's rights" laws, made up to gerrymander, suppress and deny legal American citizens their right to vote, so as to artificially hold onto power. As with voting rights, Repubs can't be trusted to do the right thing.

Texas as a prime example:
Take the State of Texas, where Gov. Abbott, has created new a voting law, to give him powers to "suspend" (ie. suppress and purge) +2 million registered voters from voter lists.

Texas has removed a million people from the voter rolls. Why are we finding out now?, Aug 30, 2024
https://www.tpr.org/news/2024-08-30/...inding-out-now

And when "suspending" voters doesn't work, Gov. Abbott, decides to weaponize the Texas AG (Ken Paxton), LE and the police, to kick-down doors and harass tax paying American citizen voters, who's ONLY "crime" has been, according to Gov. Abbott, is NOT voting for him and the Repub Party.

Texas AG raids homes of Latino civil rights group members, setting up a voting rights showdown, Aug 27, 2024. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/...lac-rcna168216

Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton raids Latino Democrats' homes, including those of LULAC members, Aug 26, 2024. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-a...s-lulac-homes/

Good advice! I always thought, it helps to clear the air, before hand and gets everyone focused on the right path to justice. Don't you feel better, already? I know I do!

Glad you agree, because that's exactly what I said. If American's had even 20 of those 40+ years (of "The War on Drugs"), put into funding a 'Portuguese solution', it's a good bet we'd be having a very different kind of conversation.

Since decriminalization, Portugal has gone from having one of the highest drug rates, to one of the lowest drug addiction rates in Europe. Now I'm pretty sure that if this type of drug rehabilitation program, where Portugal decriminalized small amounts of "hard" and "soft" drugs, WERE NOT initiated by the Feds, as a nationwide program, Repub Conservatives, would sooner have their heads explode than to accept such a thing.

As funny as, Repubs Conservative, exploding heads maybe, it would be, "a cold day in HELL", before any such laws by their own making, to the decriminalizing of small amounts of "hard" and "soft" drugs, would ever pass muster, in their ruby red states.

Meaning, as I stated in my initial post, Repubs and Conservatives would rather continue to demonize drug users with addiction problems and use it as campaign fodder (especially against minority residents) for "tougher police and LE measures", than to ACTUALLY SOLVE the problem.

So that's an unequivocal...NO!!! I think you're wrong, and leaving it up to "state's rights", IS NOT the answer or the solution!

PS: BTW, that 'Portuguese solution', that you favor so much, was created, adopted and implemented by a leftist Portugal government.

So tell me, is it just "off with their heads" or does such a program even exist, anywhere in the world, currently under a right-wing gov't (or didn't inherit it, from a left-wing gov't)? (Note: Confirming the point, I was making in my initial post on the subject.)

Where did I write anything about states rights?

I'm a little to the left of Bernie Sanders and possibly you on social policies. That's part of why the Marquis de Sade thinks I'm Evil Incarnate. That and my genuine love for Mitt Romney and free markets. So most of your commentary above is irrelevant.

Good luck having the federal government run a program like Portugal's. It fucks up everything it touches.

As to Governor Abbott, now who's off topic. I strongly disagree with some of his preferred social policies. Whatever he's doing with voter rolls probably will work to the benefit of Democrats. Because of Trump they're more motivated to do what they need to do to go to the polls, like register to vote. I don't really know what's in the article though. Using your reasoning, because it has nothing to do with drugs, I didn't read it. And I detest Paxton. If I were still able to vote in Texas come November, I'd vote for a Democrat over Paxton, although there would probably be a Libertarian running so I wouldn't have to.

That said, I lived in a Texas county where the majority of the population was Hispanic, that voted overwhelmingly for Republicans, including the Hispanic mayor. And local and state government worked where I lived. We got value for the taxes we paid. My community and state, run by Republicans, spent our money wisely, instead of flushing a large part of it down the toilet like the bozos in Washington.

[SubCmdr]

Yeah I was joking about societal design, but I am serious when I say we should all be contributing to some degree and always trying to solve the problems our societies face. As for the border, sometimes I think if they legalized and sold cocaine in USA it would eliminate the earning potential for the cartels and create a legitimate industry for Colombia and Peru where the cocaine is grown. People are doing it anyway. I don't know if that would work, but who knows, maybe? Alcohol and weed is legalized.
If border is secured and immigration is made much easier and is regulated, it also eliminates the earnings for the cartels from human trafficking. With no earning potential, the cartels would cease to exist or their power and influence would be drastically reduced. I am also sure if they are earning billions, the logical conclusion is they are paying off politicians and capitalists all over Latin America, USA, and Europe as well.

This post show true perspective on this issues. I agree completely. But the problem is that war on drugs enriches the Plutocracy in the United States of America. So, does illegal immigration. The same Republicans that are screaming about the securing the border out the front door are hiring illegal immigrants at the back door.

[CheckMate1]

Agree!

Instead of purging millions of from the voter roll as in Texas. How about an easier solution, costing almost nothing relative to the endless on going political battles. Here's a thought:

Example (opinion):

CA has about 313 K in deaths in 2022, divide that by 260 (number of days a single employee work each year), divide that by 8 hours, and you have 150 per day of data entry to remove from roll. Now you say, "well that's to much for a single person to verify each day. " Okay, we'll hire 10 people at $60 K a year, that's $600 K a year total, or about 1 lawyer's pay to work on this crap. 3 to maintain the roll ongoing, and the other 7 will work backward to clean up the previous years. Once the 7 are caught up with all the backward data, they can end that contract. Instead of going to courts year after year to fight this non-problem problem costing soooo much more money.

Death data source: https://www.kff.org/other/state-indi...%22Location%22,%22 sort%22:%22 asc%22%7 D

[Spidy]

Antithetical and emblematic. Is that an oxymoron?

You posted:

You tell me, is it an oxymoron? And Yeah, I know what I wrote!

As far as oxymorons go, your post suggesting Repubs and their "state's rights" (when convenient), is the "solution" IS DEFINITELY an oxymoron.

I see very little evidence of the notion, that Repubs and ruby red states, would serve and protect the rights of ALL Americans, residing in their state, equally and with out prejudices, if left to their own devices, is folly and a large amount of hubris.

The solution lies at the state and local level. Communities and states, not the Feds, can change drug laws, and push counseling, rehabilitation and jobs programs for addicts

Yeah, you should have led with this in your first reply to my post. Perhaps then, your post would have contextually made sense.

But I think you'd be wrong. Long story short, as I alluded to in my initial post on the subject, basically Repubs can't be trusted to carry out and do the right thing for ALL American residents, living in their state. Their "culture war" politics are too divisive and not inclusive.

Just look at voting rights, LGBTQ rights, abortion, Mifepristone, IVF and book (dictionary) bans are great examples of Repubs and red states, having no intention of keeping these issues, as only "state rights" issues or applying them equally to their constituency. I am in favor of an top down approach, to ensure consistent uniformity in basic decriminalization rights, every American would have no matter the state.

And NOT like the voting system, that is a disastrous, hodgepodge of "state's rights" laws, made up to gerrymander, suppress and deny legal American citizens their right to vote, so as to artificially hold onto power. As with voting rights, Repubs can't be trusted to do the right thing.

Texas as a prime example:
Take the State of Texas, where Gov. Abbott, has created new a voting law, to give him powers to "suspend" (ie. suppress and purge) +2 million registered voters from voter lists.

Texas has removed a million people from the voter rolls. Why are we finding out now?, Aug 30, 2024
https://www.tpr.org/news/2024-08-30/...inding-out-now

And when "suspending" voters doesn't work, Gov. Abbott, decides to weaponize the Texas AG (Ken Paxton), LE and the police, to kick-down doors and harass tax paying American citizen voters, who's ONLY "crime" has been, according to Gov. Abbott, is NOT voting for him and the Repub Party.

Texas AG raids homes of Latino civil rights group members, setting up a voting rights showdown, Aug 27, 2024. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/...lac-rcna168216

Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton raids Latino Democrats' homes, including those of LULAC members, Aug 26, 2024. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-a...s-lulac-homes/

Never pass up an opportunity to bring up Republican gaslighting on slavery or Black History when you're focused on America getting past its differences.

Good advice! I always thought, it helps to clear the air, before hand and gets everyone focused on the right path to justice. Don't you feel better, already? I know I do!

I believe Reagan's War on Drugs was stupid. Furthermore, I don't believe sealing the border air tight is a practical solution. I far favor something like Checkmate's "Portuguese solution," back when Portugal was devoting sufficient resources to the problem to make it work...

Glad you agree, because that's exactly what I said. If American's had even 20 of those 40+ years (of "The War on Drugs"), put into funding a 'Portuguese solution', it's a good bet we'd be having a very different kind of conversation.

Since decriminalization, Portugal has gone from having one of the highest drug rates, to one of the lowest drug addiction rates in Europe. Now I'm pretty sure that if this type of drug rehabilitation program, where Portugal decriminalized small amounts of "hard" and "soft" drugs, WERE NOT initiated by the Feds, as a nationwide program, Repub Conservatives, would sooner have their heads explode than to accept such a thing.

As funny as, Repubs Conservative, exploding heads maybe, it would be, "a cold day in HELL", before any such laws by their own making, to the decriminalizing of small amounts of "hard" and "soft" drugs, would ever pass muster, in their ruby red states.

Meaning, as I stated in my initial post, Repubs and Conservatives would rather continue to demonize drug users with addiction problems and use it as campaign fodder (especially against minority residents) for "tougher police and LE measures", than to ACTUALLY SOLVE the problem.

So that's an unequivocal...NO!!! I think you're wrong, and leaving it up to "state's rights", IS NOT the answer or the solution!

PS: BTW, that 'Portuguese solution', that you favor so much, was created, adopted and implemented by a leftist Portugal government.

So tell me, is it just "off with their heads" or does such a program even exist, anywhere in the world, currently under a right-wing gov't (or didn't inherit it, from a left-wing gov't)? (Note: Confirming the point, I was making in my initial post on the subject.)

[CheckMate1]

I do however feel very strongly that the border needs to absolutely be secured and fentanyl has no place in USA. Cocaine is one thing, but fentanyl kills normal everyday people who just want to party for the night and they end up dead. I also don't think it's fair to just let millions and millions of people into the country unchecked where they will work and not pay taxes. Border should be secured regulated and anyone who comes in to work is paying mother fucking taxes just like me, and no they don't get a vote. If they stay 7-10 years and keep their noses clean, offer a path to citizenship. That's how it used to be back in the day. Now it's just a dangerous mess.

Citizenship:

Let's get the misconceptions out of the way.

https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/...des/G-1151.pdf

The information above is how to become an American citizen. Same requirements as long as I can remember, when I applied in 96.

The Border:

https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/fi...20States_0.pdf

Again, we have a growing demand, and it will be filled by corporations and / or countries. Education will reduce the demand (Long Term), a support system to help the people get off of it quicker (Short Term), and enforcing / punishing pharmas / countries that supply the material will curb the problem. Punishing individuals muling the product is a fool's errand.

Taxes:

https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/brie...ants-pay-taxes

It's only one page, please read it. We pay taxes because we, as citizens, want benefits from the government. Roads, schools, clean drinking water, social security when we retire, medicare when we can't work anymore but still have medical needs, unemployment benefits if we were to be laid off, an Arm Forces system to protect from other countries, etc. Most of these benefits, specifically the individualized ones are NOT available to anyone without a social security, which are illegal nonresident individuals. When they buy groceries, a tv, a phone or any other products, they pay sales tax, but without any benefit going back to them.

A vicious circle of non logical assumptions:

1. Immigrants don't know how to read/speak english. They should learn and assimilate into OUR country.

2. Millions of them are illegally voting and skewing our election.

If you can't read, how do you know how to vote? Would you not be noticed, especially at any scale larger than 2 people.

[Spidy]

Our world which need peace wish for no Trump, to get rid of Netanyahou and Putin death and we will all live better after them. In US, I couldn t understand how a woman could vote for Trump, from his lack of respect for women, or they are really 0 neuron.

Preach Brother, Preach!

[Spidy]

... Good you didn't fall for Spidy's request for data and info. He would have just figured out a way to ignore it.

Yeah, no doubt! But I would have loved, to have been given, the opportunity to ignore it! (... kkkk!)